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(Hangouts Google+)
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(amara - Amara Town Hall [up to 0:01:38])
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(main screen shows Jules Rincón)
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(amara - Amara Town Hall [up to 0:04:17])
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(Subpage of Jules Rincón's Google+ page)
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(Jules Rincón's Google+ page)
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(Dean Jansen, mute [up to 0:04:35])
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(Main screen: CART with CART testing texts [up to 0:05:13])
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[Metallic voices, lots of static]
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(Main screen: CART with CART testing texts)
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[Dean Jansen] Hey everyone! We're just about to get started here.
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This is Dean. We're trying to get some CART online for folks who are deaf or [audio stops]
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[Dean Jansen] And I just had the YouTube video open in the other screen,
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so I started hearing my own voice.
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Hem, let's see: Michael Lockrey is having us get CART working
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and you can see his screen right now, so hopefully we're going to start getting that -
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Ah, there it goes, I think.
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Hem, and then we've just got a couple other things to get going.
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Jules has her sound working, she's in a bit of a noisy environment,
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so I'll be doing much of the - much of the talking,
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but we'll definitely want to hear a little bit from Jules, as long as things don't get to loud there.
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I'm being told that my microphone is a bit low. Can folks hear me OK?
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And you should definitely set the capt- errh, the comments in the YouTube video
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to display automatic updates.
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There is - I see already a lot of folks in there commenting,
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Darren, Claude, Seelan, Burgertester (?), lots of different folks.
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We have 17 people who are watching right now.
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OK.
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And Jules, do you - are you able to say hi now?
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You've got your - your - you've got your [inaudibe]
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[Jules Rincón] Hello, hi. I'm [inaudible] I'm Jules [inaudible]
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for answering your e-mail [inaudible]
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[Dean Jansen] OK. That was a bit choppy.
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Let's see. OK, well, let me pull up a quick -
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sorry that we're not totally running: we are just coming, getting all the technology going,
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this is still pretty new for all of us.
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Is the CART in full - in full effect now?
Still can't tell.
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And can other folks in the, in - Jules was mentioning that the volume's a bit low.
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Are people on YouTube able to hear me OK?
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OK. I see a lot of people saying they can hear me OK.
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Now I think we just need to get this CART going and we're going to be ready to go.
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Hem -
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And is that - is the CART the main thing that's showing on the YouTube screen right now?
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Yes, it is.
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I mean to get the presentation pulled up and I will show a link to everyone
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so that you can have multiple windows open in case you want to watch the CART
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and also follow along the presentations at the same time.
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Hem, actually, maybe Darren - Darren, could you show that link in - can you share that link
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in the YouTube video - in the YouTube comments?
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Now there is a published link I believe. OK, cool, thanks.
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We've got that coming, I'm going to get it up on my screen now.
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I have, like, more screens than I think I've ever had going at one time here, so -
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[inaudible: bear with us?] and once we get the CART going,
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I think we'll be ready to do some introductions and be ready to take off here.
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And for anyone who is able to listen in
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and can relay some of this information in the comments, that's really helpful.
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Much appreciated.
[clicking noises up to 0:10:04]
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OK, let's see: I believe we're getting closer and closer.
[clicking noises up to 0:10:19]
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I'm in a message (?) Michael is speaking on the CART right now.
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Let's see how that's going.
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[Typing noises up to 0:10:37]
(CART: Caption screen share test screen. Further testing of caption reseizing)
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OK We're doing caption sizing testing right now
(CART: testing words)
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(CART: "further testing of caption sizing resizing caption screen to fit viewing window")
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[typing noises up to 0:10:17]
(CART: testing words)
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[Dean Jansen] OK. Alright, so we just have the -
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the CART operator has joined the - the hangout
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and so now he should have the audio feed.
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[typing noises up to 0:12:05]
(CART: testing words)
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[Dean Jansen] OK
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typing noises]
(CART: testing words)
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(Beginning of CC subs based on the CART transcript: the CC subs are sync'd with the audio )
[Dean Jansen] Thanks, everyone for bearing with us here.
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We have 11 viewers right now.
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Darren and Jules, If you want to update the banner on the website
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- [inaudible] this is happening right now - that might be worthwhile
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and just update it with the direct link to the you tube video.
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[Dean Jansen] OK, I think I'm starting to see some of the CART text showing up.
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(onscreen: previous CART text showing)
[typing noises up to 0:14:34]
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[Dean Jansen]: I think we're ready to go.
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I am going to wait until I see the CART update to really get started.
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Darren is putting the announcement up on the Amara website right now
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so folks can join in if they are free.
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Okay. I see some text coming up. Which seems like good news.
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So, thank you, all, for joining. Right now we have 13 folks watching.
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And I wanted to start this out. Let me pull up my agenda real quick.
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I just wanted to start this out.
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Actually Jules was going to be starting this out for us.
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She is - you can see her thumbnail in the bottom section of the screeen
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She - her internet connection has been going on and off - she is a very noisy coffee house, still helping out.
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She is going to be in the comments along with Darren.
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So, I wanted to start out by saying thanks to all of the folks
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who have helped make this possible, including Michael Lockrey,
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who is - his is the screen showing the cart text right now, which is fantastic.
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Jules helped get this whole thing organized.
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Darren has been involved from the beginning.
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And then, even a bigger thanks goes out to the community and volunteers,
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the people who are here right now
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as well as the folks who are - weren't able to make it,
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who are on Amara doing captions, translations, subtitles.
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Some folks are promoting and sharing,
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we have people on the Captions Requested and the Music Captioning teams
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doing a lot of great work and translation happening all over‑the‑board.
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Really exciting stuff.
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So I think that - that's how we wanted to open this,
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just by saying thank you to everyone who has been involved
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in making Amara such a success.
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Jules was going to introduce herself but again since it's so noisy
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I'll do a quick introduction for Jules.
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She has been doing a fantastic job of community advocacy
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and support for Amara for - I don't know - getting close to a year now
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‑ probably a little less than that ‑ but she has been, you know, working from South America
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and now she's here in the US with us and has been doing a great job on that.
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Darren has also been doing a lot in the community advocacy
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and support side of things
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and has also been working with me on some of the business stuff
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which I'm going to talk very briefly about.
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And then, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Dean.
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I'm one of the co-founders of Amara and my title is Outreach and Business Development director,
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which in the context of a non-profit organization, because Amara is built by a non-profit,
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the Participatory Culture Foundation, business development really means
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finding a way to make this nonprofit and mission-driven project and piece of software sustainable
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so that we can support our developers as they build the tools out
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and make sure that we are able to keep the servers on and everything.
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So, moving forward I will give a quick overview of the meeting,
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where we'll start getting more and more interactive as it goes on.
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But at the beginning, I'¨d like to do a brief slide presentation
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that I hope people are excited about, because it's -
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We'll share just a few pieces of what is to come in Amara
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which I think will answer a lot of outstanding questions
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and hopefully get people excited about the future of Amara. We certainly are.
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The other thing that I wanted to do
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before we went to a full open question and answer
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is that we asked people to talk about their big questions,
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some of the features they would like to see,
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some of the issues they were facing in the forum posts.
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And so there are a couple of highlights there we'd like to go over.
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And once we do that, then I think it would be great to do a full open Q‑A
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over the comments in the YouTube video.
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And then once we do that, we'll wrap it up.
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So we are expecting to be done ‑
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we should probably finish in the next 40 minutes.
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So we've had an hour schedule for the full meeting.
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So let's start into that slide presentation and for anyone -
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I'm going to spell this out so folks can join this URL in case they don't see it in the comments.
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It's http://goo.gl/gPdZe . That's a shortened Google URL and it's also in the comments
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That's probably the easiest way to get to it, but I just wanted to spell it out there.
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OK, so I'm going to switch my screen
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and so you will be able to see which slide I'm looking at, at the bottom of the YouTube video.
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I'm also just going to say every time I switch a page,
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but I just wanted to make sure that if anyone is watching the CART, they're able to easily stick with that.
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So I'm going to give everyone just a second to make sure they can load up that slide show,
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and if anyone is having trouble, please just comment in the YouTube comments.
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and if you turn on automatic commenting, then you'll see that updates in real time:
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it's basically just like a chat.
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And so it should say "Amara Town Hall" and have the big green Amara logo in the center of it.
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That's the first slide and I'm actually just going to check the - the chat window
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to make sure that folks are able to get in.
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Someone is saying that my audio is screwed up.
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Did someone have that link? I'm just going to [inaudible] that google link
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I'm just going to send that to you in case you want it.
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Sorry.
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[Dean Jansen] OK. Here it comes.
[clicking noises up to 0:21:45]
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[Dean Jansen] Hem, I can't tell if the comments are frozen or not.
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There it goes.
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Darren or Jules, are either of you able to put that link into the - into the YouTube video comments?
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[Dean Jansen] Now I'm noticing that the CART is - is not showing up as well.
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Oh oh.
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Darren is saying it doesn't - ah URLs, my goodness.
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OK. So, this is a bit of an oversight. Let me just do something real quick
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to show the URL to folks. Hem, give me half a moment.
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It's funny, when you test these things, it's the small little piece that's going to catch you by surprise.
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So - I've almost got this up and we'll be able to put this on the screen.
[typing noises up to 0:23:15]
(onscreen: http::goo.gl/gPdZe)
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[Dean Jansen] OK. Can everyone see this?
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This is the - this is the shortened link that I mentioned,
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and apparently, it's not possible to share these links inside of - inside of a YouTube comment.
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So we are doing it here.
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And Michael, are we able to get the CART showing up again? I'm going to leave you a chat message.
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OK. Then I want to also check comments. Can someone in the comments with their thumbs up
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if they're able to get into that - that Google short URL just so that I know
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that folks are starting to see the - starting to see the slide deck?
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OK, I just got a note that we're - we're switching from the - the CART screen showing
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to a CART screen for Google Hangout.
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Hem - something more direct that should have less legs.
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And it should be up any moment.
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OK. I think we are back on with the CART now.
(some clicking up to 0:25:11)
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OK, I see a bunch of people saying they see the slides. This is great.
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[Echo from video] OK, I see a bunch of people saying they see the slides. This is great.
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[Dean Jansen] OK. Now that cart appears to be back online, I think we are going to be ready to go again.
[Clicking noises up to 0:26:18.5)
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Excellent. OK. Thank you.
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So let's all start on slide number 1.
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And if anyone needs that URL please just ask in the comments if you don't have it
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and we will figure out a way to share it with you.
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That was a big oversight on our part, I'm sorry.
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OK, so, slide number 1, which - actually, I'm going to switch -
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I'm going to switch - I'm going to switch my screen - screen share back to that quickly.
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Here we go.
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So if we go on to slide 2, there are a couple of important notes.
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They are about the mock ups.
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And the slide deck is maybe 10 slides long. So it's sure - it's almost purely visual.
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This is the only text slide, but it's really important to say upfront:
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these aren't 100 per cent final. They are mixed representations.
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We were trying to show the most functionality
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in the fewest number of screens possible.
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So, in other words, you may see some features from a fully moderated, like a team video –
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in the exact same screen as features that would normally be exclusive
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to an openly translated video that wasn't on any team.
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So there's - we're not going to be forcing every video to be on a team or anything like that.
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It's just an artefact of us trying to get
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as much functionality into the slides as possible.
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So if we skip to the third slide, it's a TED screen that says "let's get started".
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And you'll see in the section below that - it shows kind of a dashboard view of videos that need your help.
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Now - right now, I think people are used to seeing tasks in video's tabs.
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We're going to try and be simplifying here.
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And just to give a bit more context before I dive into the specifics here,
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I'm going to kind of tell a story about a new type of work flow and a new type of collaboration
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that we're envisioning for Amara in the future.
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This is something that we've just started building now.
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So it's not going to be ready tomorrow but we do want to release this stuff soon.
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And - and the reason we are share it now is so we can start to get feedback ahead of time,
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because we think it's very important to ‑
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I know folks in the community have asked for increased transparency
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and we think that's really important. So this is part of that:
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just hearing what you guys have to say,
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sharing some of what we have been working on
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and trying to kind of get all - get you guys' opinions, your thoughts, your feedback ahead of time.
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So I'm going to start by just sort of painting this picture of what we're envisioning
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for the future of the collaboration on Amara.
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I think a lot of questions will be answered or at least
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I hope a lot of the questions that were open will be answered.
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We will go ahead and answer some more questions that we had
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that we don't think are addressed by this and then we will do some live Q and A
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for any other things that get missed from this presentation.
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So this first screen, again, is the dashboard.
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The idea is that as soon as a person comes to ‑
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whether it's a team that's moderated like the way TED is
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or whether it's a more open team
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the way that the Music Captioning team is, or the NewsHour team.
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The idea is that when we are doing teams
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we want people to easily be able to find projects quickly that they can work on.
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If you go to the next slide, which is slide 4, the only thing that has changed is there is a little bit of a help hover.
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The question mark that is near the "my projects" header.
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I mean, the idea here is that we want to start building some of that documentation
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and help into the interface so you don't have to go elsewhere to learn,
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what does it mean to sign off on something
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or what does it mean to create subtitles
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or make a peer review or something like that.
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The three languages needed hover down below just shows
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that this particular video still hasn't had three languages completed on it.
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If we go to the next slide, slide 5, this is where we show
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some of the past work that someone has done.
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This view shows an individual team,
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but you can imagine this being a list of everything
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that someone has worked on in the open Amara as well as everything you've done in different teams
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and just sort of their overall profile of "What have I collaborated on?"
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"What is still going on that other people are working on?"
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"What have I done in the past?" and just giving people a better overview
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of how they have contributed to different projects.
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Let's see. I'm going - are we still ‑ we still have CART. I wanted to double check,
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as I'm just - I've got the ‑ I going to scoot this over to the side. Sorry: a lot of windows here.
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OK. So we're on slide 6 right now. This is another - another team view.
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And this is just the videos' tab showing ‑
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so basic filters and generally trying to put work
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that matches someone's language abilities and I realize
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that the languages up the top don't necessarily match in this mock‑up.
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But the idea is that where it says "select your languages"
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that's going to be the filter for what is shown below
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when you have the videos' tab filtered by "all of my languages"
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you would see the things that you had selected, a combination of those things.
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So for translation, that's going to be very helpful.
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And - and I think the other important thing is here is that
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the TED paradigm right now is a very - it's an individual person coming in
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and creating subtitles and peer reviewing.
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And we've taken that model and made it something flexible
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so that when TED does things
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they can have that individual person or translator voice
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that they think is very important and that we want to support them doing,
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but then, when there is a team that needs to be more open
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and more sort of collaborative and dynamic, like the Music Captioning,
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like the Captions Requested team,
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we want to do something that still allows people to do peer review
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but has a more flexible approach
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so you can have multiple people kind of collaborating at the same time.
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A little bit more overlap, but still enough structure so that people can say,
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"Well, this captions still - or this video still needs captions
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and then once the captions are actually built for the video, then it kind of disappears for the list.
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And other things that need work and need collaboration go up to the top.
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So the idea is to have a flexible model that can work really well with a more -
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a more individualistic sort of approach, as well as a group approach.
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And so if we go to the next slide, slide 7 ‑ this is a new - a mock up of the video page.
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And this, again, is sort of a little bit of an amalgam of different - different things here.
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So you can see, up the top, it says media from TED team.
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So if this was not associated with a team it wouldn't have that button.
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If it weren't a video that were being actively translated or let's say, wasn't part of a team,
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you can see on this side, to the side of the video thumbnail, it says
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subtitles needed in your languages,
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subtitle in French, subtitle in Spanish, apply to team.
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That would be adjusted based on
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you know, whether or not that video was part of a team,
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if it was just open and had been added to Amara as an individual video,
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it may only have the, you know, If there were things in progress,
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how you could help finish those pieces in progress.
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Down below you can see there is a little bit more information around the status of things,
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and again, some things may - may not ever have official review or peer review
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they may just have a couple of different subtitle creators.
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So, it's - we're really working on trying to make the team model
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and the open model work a lot closer together and in concert together.
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If we go to the next slide, which is slide 8, I believe this is just another view ‑
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the original ‑ the slide 7 had subtitles in the bottom just showing the transcript.
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This next one is the activity and chat window.
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So you can see you have a quick overview of who has done what, who has sort of said what,
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and we're combining all of this stuff into a collaboration view
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so you should see you can quickly see who made different revisions,
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who has left comments, et cetera, et cetera.
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this is something that I actually wished I had Craig,
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who is our product director, here to discuss,
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I will do my best to talk about it. Some of these things have been updated.
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Let's say you weren't on a video that was part of the team,
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you might not have that sign‑off button.
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from English to German because that's how you came in,
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we will give you the right pieces and right tools from the get go
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with some instructions on how to do it.
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But we're going to give you the ability to change your timing dynamically.
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Slide 7 ‑ that's a closer up‑view of the new layout here.
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is the save button.
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We are working to make saving a little more explicit and automatic.
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We have definitely gotten feedback that save something tricky right now.
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showing some more timing information in the side bar
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so you can see for this particular piece it's showing
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there are 21 characters at 5.25 characters per second.
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A lot of people who have come from the subtitling and captioning worlds
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have requested this feature. That was slide 12.
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I'm realizing we don't have the new timing interface mock ups.
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That is still something that is fairly raw.
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Jules just mentioned there is a chat.
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Paul is asking about the smallest screen size.
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so you could just see the lower third of the video
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and have all of the timing and translation stuff show below
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in order to save space.
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This particular lay out will be something
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that you can close some of the side bars.
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you can do that. If you're on a screen that's smaller.
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But this is still fairly early. It's not built in HTML yet.
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of what exact screen resolutions will be supported, et cetera.
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before we start doing too many question and answers,
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I want to clarify that the other piece of this
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that I don't have here to share you but I think is going to be really exciting
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is right now we're in a place where you can create captions
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and time captions and subtitles and translate.
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But if you want to change the timing of the new translated set of subtitles ‑
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I will get to this. We're going to re-enable that.
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That's a question that will come up.
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We want to make it so ‑ so right now if you edit the timing on that translation,
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then you will no longer have a translation,
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you are out of the translation interface
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and solely in the creating subtitles interface.
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This new system will allow us to compare side by side
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differently timed translations and subtitles.
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you want to add a couple of lines in the Spanish side
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and you want to shorten some of the subtitles,
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you are actually able to still compare English and Spanish next to one another.
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I don't think it comes across in this presentation
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but that is something that we're working towards supporting
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which is really important and really adds a lot of flexibility
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to the experience of translation.
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Slide 13 is just the end cap. That's the basic presentation.
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because this has been me talking and talking and talking.
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and we have ‑ we really read carefully and ... yes?
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I'm in the Mozilla offices right now.
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And there is there is something ringing.
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I will answer some of the questions in the forum.
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I will mention who asked them.
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There may be other people who are curious about them.
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But this is in broad strokes trying to answer
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some of the questions that came up
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that I don't think were addressed in the slide show.
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We can come back and address other things in realtime.
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There was a question from Booger Bender, Vivian and Claude
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about messaging and outreach.
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Some folks were saying it would be great to highlight
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the nonprofit nature of our project, the open source nature of our project.
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Some other folks were suggesting we did more outreach to deaf communities.
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We think those are both great ideas.
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Our focus right now really is getting this new technology going.
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We will obviously be ‑ we will be doing some ‑
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we will be starting an email newsletter soon,
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and that might be a good place to start highlighting this stuff.
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We would like to tighten up our website
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because I know there are a lot of loose ends
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and it could be better at explaining our mission
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and how the participatory culture foundation works
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and how Amara is totally volunteer driven.
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And up our outreach to deaf communities.
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In the meantime, if there are any folks here who can help us with this,
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we would be more than thrilled to work with you.
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Jules will be very active in the forums.
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If you're not a registered member, please do join.
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We would love to discuss how we can better work together
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to highlight some of these things and outreach to different communities
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and keep stepping up those efforts.
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Another question was about video management,
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which ‑ this is a technical question about the platform.
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Someone was asking about the primary URL, being able to switch away.
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We may have just done a release that actually allows you to see
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the history of what the primary URL was and to switch that.
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That used to be more ‑ I think that was just a minor bug or hiccup in our development
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and that we're back online about that.
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I would like to double check on that before we confirm that one 100 per cent.
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One other technical thing I can confirm 100 per cent,
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it's about editing and timing of subtitle bubbles.
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They are asking about ending a caption.
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So you press the down arrow to lay down a caption
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and the caption is on the screen,
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you press the down arrow and next one appears immediately
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where the last one left out.
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The secret is the up arrow will cut off the current subtitle being laid down,
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if you want to do a quick caption that says "music playing"
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you would press down when you wanted it to show, press the up arrow
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and then it would stop right there.
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Let me know that that's the right question you were asking. I think it is.
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People consistently ask about full screen.
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Will the widget, the embeddable tab that goes on the bottom of the video ‑
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the majority of these videos, they may be MP4 videos
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but they are playing through a flash player
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and it's taking over the entire experience.
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You can't do HTML overlay or Java on top of that.
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We're working some of the major video hosts
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to provide syncing that can link subtitles directly into their video player
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or display the subtitles through their video player.
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The problem being that you have to be the original uploader
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to enable that syncing.
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We will see if we can figure out a technical work around
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to do some near full screen overlay.
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But bear in mind that's just a tough technical problem.
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I'm sorry I don't have a more exciting and uplifting answer for that one.
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Another question we had was the original and primary language of video ‑
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we're working to improve the support for changing
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what language a video is spoken in.
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So there is spoken dialogue in a video. That's coming up fairly soon.
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There were a couple of features that had existed before
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that people wanted to know about.
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Subtitling directly to a video, pasting in a transcript.
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Uploading new subtitles over existing subtitles ‑
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these are things that our current system, we have hit some different hurdles.
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We're working on getting these features re‑established.
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But they will likely be re‑established in the newer system,
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the stuff I have just shown in the slides.
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I have two more things left and then we can go to open questions.
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Jules mentioned there was a question from Jim Tobias
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that I can try to answer really quickly.
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Will there be a user-focused interface
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that shows teams and videos I have worked on.
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So Jim asked if we're going to be doing a user-focused interface
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that shows ‑ let's say a user dashboard.
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You log in and you see the videos you have worked on
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and videos you have completed.
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I'm not remembering the number of the slide. I think it was like 3 or 4.
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Slide number 5 shows past collaborations in the context of a team.
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But we do want to do something similar that goes across teams.
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If you log in and you have contributed to three teams
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and different videos on three different teams
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plus you have contributed to 20 various videos that are videos on Amara,
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we would like to compile all those things together
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so you can see that all in one place.
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I'm seeing another question:
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Is there any place to add Mozilla to the presently available sign in methods?
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I don't think we have immediate plans to add Mozilla.
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I'm assuming we could potentially do that through MoOff.
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I'm at the Mozilla offices today so I can see if that's a possibility.
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It hadn't come up on our radar yet but we can check into it.
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Another question:
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Can we fix the original language if we set it wrongly at first?
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It happened to me once and I struggled in fixing it.
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Paula, firstly, I apologize that it's not easier in the current system to do this.
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Yes, we definitely want to make that simpler.
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Because it's one of those tricky things where the data model
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that we're working on right now
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is something that we created roughly two years ago.
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Of course it's not the ideal thing for where we are at with the project right now.
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That's the first thing that we're working on.
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We're very close to having something out
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that will be more flexible in that respect. Thanks for that question.
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Feel free to keep asking questions about anything that I have talked about,
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any of the slides, anything that has been missing from the presentation
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or anything you would like to hear about.
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Another question was about the different timing in the differences ‑
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a question about editing timing in different languages.
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That's coming back now.
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Ultimately we're excited about that ability to remain
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in the translation interface even if you have changed the timing.
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Let's see, we have gotten a lot of good suggestions on the product front.
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I'm not sure if I'm saying this name right
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but Diomides had good suggestions for hot keys and functionality
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I have passed on to the development team.
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One suggestion that was put forth
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was the ability to change the speed in the video play back.
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Right now that's difficult with our system
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because we aren't hosting the videos
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and it's all done through the HTML and Java script.
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There may come a time when we are able to start doing that,
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specially as HTML5 becomes more powerful and that technology grows.
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But right now that is going to be a tough one.
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But some of the other things ‑ there is a suggestion for a hot key
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to skip to lines that haven't been translated yet.
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That's a really great suggestion.
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We will definitely try to get that in there
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and a couple of those other things too.
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We have another question coming in.
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This name is very difficult. I won't be able to say it without butchering it. I
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t says: Has there been any thought to providing interactive transcripts?
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That's the kind of thing where you see the video.
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Yes, TED dotcom has an example.
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We have been working on this.
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I wish we could enable link sharing.
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We need to look into whether we can enable links in the you tube comments.
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We do have a sample of that. An interactive transcript player.
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You're watching the video and see the transcripts in a text box.
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You can scroll down it and click on the word
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and the video will jump to that word and start playing immediately.
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You can search through and look for key phrases.
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We have something like that that is just coming out of the lab.
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Maybe in the forum we can post a link to it.
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Darren, can you get that link if you have it?
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Do we have other questions?
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I'm coming to the end of the questions from the forum posts.
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There may have been a couple that I missed
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so if there is anything on the forum that you left and I didn't get to it,
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please just chime in on the you tube comments.
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We will continue to keep an eye on the YouTube comments,
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even after we're done with this
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so if there is anything we missed we can follow up on it
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... it sounds like we're getting closer and closer to the conclusion of this event.
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This has been really exciting. I will check the window.
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Here is another question.
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The launch date for the new embedder?
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We don't have a solid date yet.
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There are so many things that are hard to predict in what we're doing right now.
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Let me see. I'm getting more information on and that question.
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That was Joshua.
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The new embedder and whether there is a specific launch date.
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That's the embedder with the interactive transcripts.
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It's out in Beta form right now.
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We will share on the forums how to use that. I
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t's still experimental so it's not perfect
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but it's not anything that will ever mess up subtitle data or anything like that.
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It's a piece of code that we're comfortable share
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being folks saying use this in situations that are not mission-critical
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and check it out, see what people think.
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So we will get that up in the forum and also try to mention
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once we do in the YouTube comments.
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Let's see. Another question:
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A very important feature missing, a kind of guideline conflict or warnings
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like sentences larger than 70 characters,
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smaller than 1.5 seconds, et cetera.
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That's a really great idea. If I understand it right, we should ‑
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let's continue that thread in the forums so we can develop that idea further.
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Just so that I know and our team knows exactly what you're suggesting here.
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But I think the idea sounds good, something that gives some highlights
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if maybe you have things that seem like
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they may be less than optimal for captions or subtitles.
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That's a really good idea.
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Dumovney asks another question:
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Has there been thought given to providing video description?
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We have definitely talked about it.
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It's something that, you know, with this new system that we're building,
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once we're there we will be in a much better position
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to start think being both video description as well as dubbing
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or voiceover translation.
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Both of which we think could be exciting, important pieces
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to the puzzle for greater accessibility
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both for folks who are blind or have visual impairments
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or people who, let's say, don't read ‑ they speak a different language
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than the video is in and also don't read their primary language particularly well,
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this could be really great for increasing accessibility there as well.
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Okay. Let's see. There was another question. Another question:
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Why was it kept a secret the way the up arrow was a way to cut the subtitle
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instead of using the down carry key. It wasn't really a secret.
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It was a lack of time to update the documentation.
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We have been crazy busy with a lot of different projects
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and hadn't had time to update the instructions
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on the interface on the side bar.
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We're not trying to keep secrets or leave Easter eggs lying around,
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it was just that that didn't get as widely published as it should have.
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My apologies for that.
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We will try to make sure we have a comprehensive list
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of all of the keyboard short cuts.
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All right. We're getting close to the hour. Let's see.
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Do we have any other questions before we cap this discussion?
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Let's see, just so ‑
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I don't know if it says how many was the largest number of viewers
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but I have seen that we have had between 16 and 17 viewers,
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which is pretty cool.
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Okay. We have one more. From Lavney:
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It says on video description adds deaf blind people would benefit
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from seeing video description as text rather than as audio.
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Ah, yes, I think I was misunderstanding you.
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I think sometimes video and audio description terminology
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is confusing for me, my apologies, I may have been mixing that up.
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I think there are a lot of different things that we can do f
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from the perspective of accessibility, that we should ‑ we would like to ‑
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I think a lot of this just needs to be unpacked for us.
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We put a lot of effort and time into trying to figure out
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what the best approach is to accomplish ‑
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to keep a simple interface that is something that is approachable
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by people who are both young and old
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in order to start creating subtitles and start creating captions and translate things.
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We also want to make sure that we're being as inclusive as possible
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with the interfaces,
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with the things that people are creating through the interfaces.
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And to be honest, it's a big, big job to understand
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what the universe of accessibility means.
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This is a really good opportunity to ask you guys to help us learn more
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and understand better how we can support
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all of these different uses and use cases.
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I think a lot of this conversation that we're having right now,
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these sorts of seeds, could really blossom on the forum.
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I'm hoping we can continue these conversations so we can learn more
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about what folks are thinking might be the most effective sort of approach
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to some of these issues.
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I totally appreciate everyone's time and effort and thought
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on helping us walk through these.
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Two more and then we will cap it after that.
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So Claude asks: Could you talk about the future chat feature, please?
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I think I will need more clarification on that.
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Maybe we could just take care of that in the forum as well.
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And discuss that one in the comments or the forum.
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Okay, Alex asks: We Chinese need double subtitling display on team.
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Could you implement that?
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Double means showing both English and Chinese subs
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in two lines simultaneously. Alex Mo.
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That's another thing that there are ‑ that is another piece
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outside of the accessibility thing that I was just talking about.
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This is something that I think we should definitely discuss
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so that we can better understand how something like this
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might work in the system, given all of the different ‑
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the challenges that we're facing of keeping the software usable and simple
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from the perspective of it has to work on as many languages as possible,
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how can we accomplish what you're asking about with Amara.
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I think we can definitely find a way to do it.
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But I don't have an answer off the top of my head.
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Partly because I'm not someone who speaks English and Chinese
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and so figuring out exactly how ‑ what the expectation is
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and how something like that would work,
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we definitely just need to get a little bit more information
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and I think we can and should be able to figure out something.
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I will answer one last question:
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Seelan: are there plans to auto-sync subs to videos on YouTube.
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We have created many of these
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but people can't up load them on and to YouTube sourced.
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I'm not sure I totally understand that one.
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Right now we're sync one direction from Amara.
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We do grab subtitles and captions from YouTube
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and we're just now starting to sync them back to YouTube,
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as long as you're the creator of the video on YouTube you can do that.
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I think we're on the right track there.
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If I'm not understanding that correctly we should also
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carry that discussion forward in the forum as well.
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okay. Sorry, I'm just seeing people typing things
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and want to make sure I have got this all down correctly.
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All right. I think we should make sure to just continue these conversations
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and I know there are a couple at the end that I semi‑dodged
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but I want to ensure we are able to address those
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and have conversations about how we can expand on those different pieces
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and make sure that we're serving as many different communities
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as best as we possibly can.
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I think that the new editor, the new collaboration model,
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all of the stuff that we have shared and that we're working on right now,
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I think that will be a major step in that direction.
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And that there will still be obviously a lot of room for improvement
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and room to grow.
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I think there are probably a lot of things that we didn't discuss today
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that have to do with how do we ‑ how do we best represent
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what volunteers have done, how do we show,
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this is a set of captions done primarily by this user but also this user helped.
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That's a big question and thing we have started to think about
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but that is so huge that we want to make sure
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we have the communities' voice and support and heart in
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as we move forward on it.
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That's another big thing and maybe that's a topic for the next town hall meeting.
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Thank you so much to everyone who participated.
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I see that our viewership has dropped off a little bit.
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Thank you to Michael for bringing CART into the ‑ into the picture.
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Thank you to the CART operator for actually providing CART, totally amazing.
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Jules and Darren, thank you for helping DJ the comments
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and get this whole thing off the ground.
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And of course thanks to everyone who is here right now
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and who wasn't able to make it,
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who has been helping us to make Amara such an amazing project and tool.
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And everything that it has become.
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So, thank you, all.
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We will do this again ‑ I'm not sure exactly when.
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But let's talk about it in the forums and discuss
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when we do want to do it again and what we thought worked
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and what we thought didn't and how we can improve on this process.
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So thank you, all.
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