May 13 2012 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows
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0:02 - 0:06Today is 13 May, Sunday, 2012, Jacque Fresco Seminar
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0:07 - 0:12This discussion is about questions and answers.
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0:12 - 0:15Sometimes a person asks a question, and i feel that they know very little about.
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0:19 - 0:24In other words, if a person is enough familiar with electronics at all, says what if a machine breaks out,
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0:26 - 0:30an electronics person doesn't know what is he talking about.
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0:30 - 0:33Is it the transistors? are capacitors? circuit? welding?
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0:33 - 0:37when you're not talking with specifics, you're not communicating.
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0:37 - 0:40When a person says to me you can't protect the behaviour of people
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0:42 - 0:46telling me that they don't know behave of people, and this is a subject that i can't do anything well.
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0:50 - 0:54And let's say you do about people that insist that they're right?
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0:55 - 0:58In other words, that is a specific question. A specific question as: how do you arrive in your decision?
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1:01 - 1:05and why is your decision any better than any other decision?
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1:05 - 1:09Now, a person that answers that question may or may not understanding the answer.
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1:12 - 1:17The assumption that people understands the answer you give them, is an assumption and a projection.
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1:18 - 1:24So, in order to check out, if you have the time and few people, you would say what do you say i mean by that?
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1:27 - 1:33come over something that attention
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1:33 - 1:39So, people work automobile say automobile engineers, not mechanics.
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1:39 - 1:43Mechanics are a little different than engineers Engineers understands the efficiency ratios of the parts.
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1:48 - 1:51How much long you get per gallon, how few how fuel and the technician understands of all parts of the car.
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1:57 - 2:00It will say automobiles are unsafe, with conviction.
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2:00 - 2:04That doesn't tell you have make him safer. And doesn't tell you anything
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2:07 - 2:12Unless you say, if you make a break, Something that you can use.
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2:15 - 2:18Another unanswerable question is: how can you control the population?
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2:18 - 2:22You can't control the population, it goes on and multiply.
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2:22 - 2:25The question is how do you can control the population.
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2:26 - 2:30Now, you can't control population, right on, and, does not give you alternatives.
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2:33 - 2:37When a person says you can't make airplanes absolutely safe.
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2:37 - 2:40Well, what the hell that tells you? nothing. Except that persons limited hability to participate.
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2:45 - 2:49A man would say if you made airplanes safer, that wouldn't say anything that you can use,
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2:52 - 2:55so you have to discredit that, government has been corrupt even since begin,
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2:59 - 3:02that doesn't tell you how to make them uncorrupt.
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3:02 - 3:05So you tell that person that they have nothing to offer, unless you show a method to make a government work.
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3:09 - 3:15Unless you say, i would like to know what your view is on this,
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3:15 - 3:20have a problem comes up and they say what is your view on automobile safety,
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3:20 - 3:23i said you know anything about automobiles. mechanisms of what are they for,
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3:27 - 3:30and you can talk about the anatomy of the automobile.
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3:30 - 3:35If you don't know anything about the human body, you can't talk about anatomy.
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3:35 - 3:38sick people did say that we don't always go live collapsed something that you can do anything with it
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3:41 - 3:44if you say the soil is exhausted the plan so i'm going you've offered nothing retain sadness food
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3:50 - 3:52grounded in the florida coast the accident which is full
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3:55 - 3:57if the plans consumer it needs water not just nutrient arkansas
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4:01 - 4:03so what is the conveyor of the substitute plan previously
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4:06 - 4:11we already have topshop what any suggestion that flash to that person
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4:11 - 4:12caterpillar ahead of time what do you suggest
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4:14 - 4:16well i don't know that shut up the industry in a timely manner do you think
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4:19 - 4:25people can dance questions unless they know thirty-eight happening as such he got that is the same thing
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4:28 - 4:33which you said that he wanted to have planned for what reason automobile move usually
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4:34 - 4:37many different things fueled conducted changes so that wheeled transmission what we want no specific
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4:43 - 4:47many things involved in the movement of a car
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4:47 - 4:51refuge a huge everyday human beings to all come from different environments
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4:51 - 4:54and in many different and you can't baseball react the same way attitude
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4:58 - 5:00accepted persons limitations potential well a lot of people that are committed to talk to you today
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5:05 - 5:09in the future they won't be now would you be coming to a medical conference
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5:09 - 5:13negative about the jungle you think this concept that this matter
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5:13 - 5:15what do you think about it interviewed justin outside mama oppression
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5:18 - 5:21they don't say what do you think so i don't have a confirmation that the people
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5:24 - 5:26and then there are no conference and a lot of people
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5:28 - 5:30so it kind of question is a year are related to the flying machine only
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5:34 - 5:35located discussion other airport safety than we h ave fha people here at work is done
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5:41 - 5:45and you say well it's a matter of the runway well and the rest of the plane
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5:45 - 5:47lands around lake cracks ellipses standard recommendations thinkers
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5:50 - 5:52and reinforcement of ground why do you need me barcelona where they were great hotwire
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5:57 - 6:01so the concrete crack it doesn't change elevation if you have wires and there
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6:02 - 6:05hickey says the same location even though it's cracked
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6:06 - 6:10if you're not equipped to understand the engine he can ask questions
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6:10 - 6:15who organizes in electronic could fail to path participation but often dot
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6:19 - 6:22sometimes i would not engage impression if i feel that i'm not talking about the subject
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6:25 - 6:29they say you can't predicted predate human behavior
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6:29 - 6:32it could get him to have contributed to tell us to
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6:32 - 6:34giving a different view
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6:34 - 6:36let me know only ten stories high
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6:36 - 6:37the senate floor
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6:37 - 6:39why do you want to do that
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6:39 - 6:40to talk about studying
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6:40 - 6:41division
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6:41 - 6:44you can make more than he was absolutely
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6:44 - 6:47what do you feel a limitation
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6:47 - 6:52well the drive may be distracted ponnu
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6:52 - 6:53affection
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6:53 - 6:55the distraction of dieting
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6:55 - 6:56it is a cell phone
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6:56 - 6:58and that diving into a p
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6:58 - 7:02and the kids are fighting in the bag
does the distractions -
7:02 - 7:06to anyone caught up in cincinnati to
distraction -
7:06 - 7:08how did you do that right now
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7:08 - 7:10and he said
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7:10 - 7:14all you want soldiers who do is operated
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7:14 - 7:15a twenty-one
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7:15 - 7:18york could talk discuss philosophy
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7:18 - 7:19on the trenches
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7:19 - 7:21because discussed
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7:21 - 7:23portrayed as they get somebody else
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7:23 - 7:26but that would be relevant to the war
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7:26 - 7:31what they do say blindfolded assaulted
needs to take its gonna pipeline for the -
7:31 - 7:33cutest even
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7:33 - 7:37and he has to assembly blindfolded
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7:37 - 7:40candy case you don't have a lawyer in
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7:40 - 7:42the machine gun jams
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7:42 - 7:44and want to know how the undo the gem
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7:44 - 7:46but if you talk about velocity
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7:46 - 7:48and the history of guns
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7:48 - 7:50that does not undo the gem
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7:50 - 7:52let you go
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7:52 - 7:54very familiar with the taking the time
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7:54 - 7:57the machine everynight conferences
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7:57 - 7:59are all the characteristics
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7:59 - 8:00of different hair
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8:00 - 8:04they try to follow that your government
during the war -
8:04 - 8:06because they show
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8:06 - 8:07that they can't make it turn
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8:07 - 8:10has faeces american friends can
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8:10 - 8:12therefore take advantage
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8:12 - 8:13of that uncertainty
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8:13 - 8:15of the internet
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8:15 - 8:18when the german pilot lands on an
american irish -
8:18 - 8:20has surrendered sierra lane
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8:20 - 8:21they take it up
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8:21 - 8:24to study extern characteristics
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8:24 - 8:26had to write a report
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8:26 - 8:29on what they can do and one of the cases
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8:29 - 8:31that gives you a veteran pilot
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8:32 - 8:34detainee of knowing the rate of crime of that era
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8:36 - 8:40you don't know that and you just want to rely on your own ability
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8:40 - 8:43killer had predicted a dire report although both forms of the andrea
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8:47 - 8:50protesters leek and potato
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8:50 - 8:52until you can't refrain
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8:52 - 8:54courses you must have to fight
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8:54 - 8:57so you offer a foreign power
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8:57 - 8:58fifty thousand dollars
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8:58 - 9:00whose defiance in cash
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9:00 - 9:02he do it every after
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9:02 - 9:04to get them to make
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9:04 - 9:06they say you can get it can happen
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9:06 - 9:10that doesn't anything one of the method of getting internet
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9:10 - 9:12people come up with ideas
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9:12 - 9:16whether or i don't know and a good detective work he is
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9:16 - 9:18if the passenger's sentence dot
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9:18 - 9:22so remember this is is that they have hidden
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9:22 - 9:25people will talk about all kinds of things
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9:26 - 9:30but not when their cooperation be taken to the book
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9:30 - 9:34on the air conditioning breaks down they could take you to enter conditioning
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9:34 - 9:35mechanic you can go to the bank
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9:36 - 9:38he could say well i don't know
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9:39 - 9:43check the inquiry downplayed he doesn't know
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9:43 - 9:46so everybody likes to feel comp
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9:46 - 9:47everybody likes to feel
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9:47 - 9:51they want to participate the question is
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9:51 - 9:54the only way to participate anything
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9:54 - 9:58is offering any tangible referential
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9:58 - 9:59if you believe
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9:59 - 10:02they're all things are affected by other
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10:02 - 10:05means that humanity if there's a
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10:05 - 10:10if you believe that day digi
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10:10 - 10:12if you think it's a belong
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10:12 - 10:13he can't take that
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10:13 - 10:16the leader in human behavior is immoral
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10:16 - 10:18you can't predict
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10:18 - 10:19who the hell no
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10:19 - 10:22working in a wonderful he's going to be
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10:22 - 10:26of the candidate that you can think but
if you believe that he was fascinated -
10:26 - 10:28because it is
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10:28 - 10:29well they think
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10:29 - 10:32that's alright as long as you know what
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10:32 - 10:33henrietta
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10:33 - 10:35impression jessica less
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10:35 - 10:37in the city appreicate if they have
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10:37 - 10:41well division is not good addresses too
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10:41 - 10:42in louisville
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10:42 - 10:44you have to have swine flu
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10:44 - 10:46even take guests
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10:46 - 10:48but that's not likely move it
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10:48 - 10:51if you believe in human behavior
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10:51 - 10:55the state of corn which congressional
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10:55 - 10:58he says people will do anything
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10:58 - 11:01if you really important
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11:01 - 11:02if you want to know
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11:02 - 11:04config truthfully
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11:04 - 11:08i think the cadets who treat you said
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11:08 - 11:13and you trade what would you like to do
is it that you're going to go in america -
11:13 - 11:15can be taken longer reinforcement
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11:15 - 11:16alaina does
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11:16 - 11:19you will get back to work every day
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11:19 - 11:23if you say that we give negative
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11:23 - 11:28and will stop at a caveat only when
you're a but when you're not there -
11:28 - 11:30okay maybe have another conversion
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11:30 - 11:31the swimming pool
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11:31 - 11:33if you're not there
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11:33 - 11:34some of the impression
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11:34 - 11:37they said they'd leave a certain way
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11:37 - 11:40only when you're up liberty jewish uh...
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11:40 - 11:42salon relational
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11:42 - 11:43the keys to that
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11:43 - 11:46everybody's scientific
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11:46 - 11:47because they're not read more
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11:47 - 11:48talking
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11:48 - 11:50when teachers
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11:50 - 11:53diamonds is eh... just shot down two
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11:53 - 11:55or three german car
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11:55 - 11:56the captain says
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11:56 - 11:58what method did you use
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11:58 - 12:01because i want to talk to the new i was
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12:01 - 12:03but the method you used
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12:03 - 12:05out of the information
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12:05 - 12:06got
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12:06 - 12:10develop the era really know how to find
out that you really have a -
12:10 - 12:12that has to take
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12:12 - 12:16although it's not sincere never
outmaneuver the unique you gotta be -
12:16 - 12:18given to the punch
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12:18 - 12:19sound into the attic
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12:19 - 12:21had taken his
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12:21 - 12:24outpacing the ability to defy conference
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12:24 - 12:26toddlers okay
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12:26 - 12:28how to save lives here
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12:28 - 12:31he let go yet myself singer
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12:31 - 12:33if you don't know all those things
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12:33 - 12:35it's hard to communicate and the president
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12:36 - 12:40you didn't answer my question it would be you didn't answer my question in terms i didn't understand
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12:42 - 12:45because you don't know that unit mike and he said electronic gravestones
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12:48 - 12:50the guy in the field of electronics really investigating
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12:52 - 12:54they say the capacitor
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12:54 - 12:58overwhelmed brooke undecided copper wire
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12:58 - 13:00going into pretentious
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13:00 - 13:02here's a guy who had a look
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13:02 - 13:06but he does not let let me just say eight broke down
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13:06 - 13:08internal dot net it hurts
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13:08 - 13:09he knows that he has restate my uni kaha me
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13:13 - 13:18on the bottom attorney he's got a little more who work for
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13:18 - 13:20hearsay if for example over
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13:20 - 13:22what's permissible
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13:22 - 13:24he can do it
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13:24 - 13:27john and i think that we could do anything with
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13:27 - 13:30his the happier if he had the option b
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13:30 - 13:33handled case had conducted
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13:33 - 13:35a liability is eating food
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13:35 - 13:37introduce our guest
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13:37 - 13:38or emotional stress
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13:38 - 13:40he's going to hang up
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13:40 - 13:43someone usually michael continues the all day long
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13:43 - 13:45i can't stop laughing
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13:45 - 13:48he might take out his hand doesn't like that
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13:48 - 13:51and compare it to other doctors
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13:51 - 13:52he can't do that
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13:52 - 13:54except unfair the every question
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13:55 - 13:58does not compare mechanical systems
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13:58 - 14:03nor can they talk about kisses on the city's if you say
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14:03 - 14:06many people requiring different kinds of cities
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14:06 - 14:08and different kinds of house
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14:08 - 14:14now if they do if anybody would like to go on their own car individual cough for
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14:14 - 14:15everybody
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14:15 - 14:17it will cost a million dollars apiece
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14:17 - 14:19if you make donaldson sample
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14:19 - 14:21a hundred shed a tear look-alike
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14:21 - 14:24much cheaper he understand them
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14:24 - 14:25tomas carnage
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14:25 - 14:27most forward volkswagens rather than a look-alike
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14:29 - 14:34who make each one different there would be out of the range because
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14:34 - 14:38do you allow for individuality in that society
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14:38 - 14:41idiotic individually to meet means
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14:41 - 14:44differences in delhi
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14:44 - 14:46by different aspects of the culture
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14:46 - 14:50we can afford all kinds of individuals
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14:50 - 14:52guy i want to listen
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14:52 - 14:54three creases
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14:54 - 14:59less individual latitude obscene
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15:02 - 15:05p was a right now and then to excess
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15:05 - 15:07feel the
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15:07 - 15:08boston individuals
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15:08 - 15:11but that this doesn't do anything for
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know what do you think this type it -
15:17 - 15:21florida state is no different than the
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15:21 - 15:23than existing
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15:23 - 15:24i can't deal with
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15:24 - 15:28in fact not device agencies that nothing
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15:28 - 15:31and what does it contribute
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15:31 - 15:34contributes to the well being of people
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15:34 - 15:36is an important
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15:36 - 15:39well if they want to see a bull flag
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15:40 - 15:42feel good about the ultimate answer
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15:42 - 15:45it's a collective utility area
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15:45 - 15:47and i would go
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15:47 - 15:49what will benefit people marsh
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15:49 - 15:53to melancholic basic things how they
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15:53 - 15:55however the oh so they disconnected
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15:55 - 15:58i would agree to the environment
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15:58 - 16:05husain as part of nature without food being constructed life discrimination
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16:07 - 16:12at the class of two thousand years he will die kathy sanctions won't make it
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16:12 - 16:14cushy cushion
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16:14 - 16:16that we depend on ninety jim
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16:16 - 16:19lightning finishes at nineteen feet in the soil
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16:19 - 16:21it makes it available blanche
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16:21 - 16:25deceptive practice writing now latvian current
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16:25 - 16:27meant by should be cut
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16:27 - 16:29mock looked like he is not their model
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16:29 - 16:30five matches
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16:32 - 16:36you could tell by valued would be electricity would flow only in the ground bonafide
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16:38 - 16:40would go to the atmosphere tree
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16:41 - 16:44a little girl on the bicycle
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16:44 - 16:49and that means it wasn't designed for her
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16:49 - 16:53i swear to the provision when basic give us a change in season
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16:53 - 16:58we need to change or people in this topic here apparently type to the board
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16:58 - 17:05they would know what you're talking about. And they say it was a way before to
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17:05 - 17:09If you give us a change in season, the average person not mean
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17:09 - 17:12i'm meteorologist resistant to weather
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17:12 - 17:15personal questions are asked.
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17:15 - 17:18But there are other kids that would love until our case it would love to participate
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17:18 - 17:21so they'll say part of it has a lot of evidence in that city?
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17:21 - 17:24They are looking for participation
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17:24 - 17:29If you say the water supply has not yet been all the houses
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17:29 - 17:34can you make it even shut the whole he'd get whatever they want to know.
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17:34 - 17:37But you can say what if i behind our lives
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17:37 - 17:43that helps keep bringing up anarchy argument, the recognition of participation
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17:43 - 17:49So, a real participation is a how would you acclimate people to just assign?
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17:49 - 17:53if they were will grow to believe in individual housing?
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17:53 - 17:58You can't do that, unless you now to tell where people get their values from.
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17:58 - 18:05If you live in the icu work touched on it, or week long, those become normal to you.
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18:05 - 18:14And if you said oh i i one of the legal your predecessor president bringing up contradiction, or no other reason than participating.
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18:14 - 18:15Do you understand that?
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18:15 - 18:21What is real participation when the brain cell what we do? Gee, you crash.
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18:21 - 18:26who can you make brakes less apt to fail? No, i’m sure you not.
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18:26 - 18:28playlists atrophic
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18:28 - 18:31So, your assumption reception argumentative questions questions
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18:31 - 18:33Is it this is an assumption
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18:33 - 18:36Unless you ask what you think i mean?
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18:36 - 18:38And they come up with some intermediate
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18:38 - 18:41say, apparently i was unable to answer
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18:41 - 18:48or they don't have the background to understand what went wrong with the electronics.
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18:48 - 18:53if you tell them kidney purposefully not working properly
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18:53 - 18:56cliches old potato colony
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18:56 - 19:00an orthodox and if you have to get the book handbook of the for me
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19:00 - 19:06and uh... of the anatomy opted to go and how they work what they do
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19:06 - 19:09to the organs were going on today control by abortion
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19:09 - 19:13all of a study of motions and the effect on mortgage
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19:13 - 19:16which is another string celtic
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19:16 - 19:17psychology opulence
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19:18 - 19:21this is an always the failure of the kidney
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19:21 - 19:22he could be a failure
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19:22 - 19:24of love of life for you
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19:24 - 19:27if your whole family is killed one of the election
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19:27 - 19:29it may not want to live a day
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19:29 - 19:32they call at the will to die
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19:32 - 19:34that should be deleted will death
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19:34 - 19:37i know it seems strange that they go to bed at night
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19:37 - 19:39and they don't feel alive
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19:39 - 19:41they don't sleep well
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19:41 - 19:42they've been see other people
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19:42 - 19:46for their life has been cut what they called
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19:46 - 19:50if people live in a world where everybody friendly
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19:50 - 19:53everybody's concerned about you will be would you
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19:53 - 19:57culture friend dollars you've got left alone
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19:57 - 19:58home either pay the rent obligated eat
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20:00 - 20:03upheaval liberal old today
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20:03 - 20:06and i would say that if everybody tried to work
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20:06 - 20:09to enhance a lot of everybody else
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20:09 - 20:14you would be desperate when somebody dies give him a television boy drea
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20:14 - 20:15jennings thank you
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20:15 - 20:19how do you know what i mean by answering questions you can't let the patient
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20:19 - 20:21isn't that discipline represent
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20:22 - 20:27to human eighty keeps changing that's why you can't dictate what people do
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20:27 - 20:28say he's telling you
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20:28 - 20:30that he hasn't already method of predicting behavior
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20:32 - 20:35now you know what to do lane jobs
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20:35 - 20:37they have good communication if they do
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20:38 - 20:41wanted the loop with the ruling does too big of the loop
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20:43 - 20:46to me is that brown development correctly may do that at the end of the way
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20:49 - 20:51the pilot the main guy has a lobbyist uh
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20:53 - 20:58prenatal are trained to follow the puck
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20:58 - 21:01the pilot makes it harder on his decision that you know
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21:02 - 21:05thank you for allowing us to collect it worked out alright he kicked ass
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21:07 - 21:10because as all the way people have not knowing things
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21:12 - 21:16is that the x_-ray in the field knows more about it that you do it's true
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21:17 - 21:19their refrigerators engineer
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21:19 - 21:21might be able to make use his radio worked well
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21:24 - 21:27but he knows more about it that the breakdown
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21:27 - 21:29killing you call upon expiry
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21:29 - 21:31they're not always accurate
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21:31 - 21:34but they're more likely that you are
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21:34 - 21:36and that's all we go away
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21:36 - 21:38half of the largest tells me
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21:38 - 21:41we expect a very stormy winter
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21:41 - 21:45he has more methods of the arriving at that prediction couldn't be long yet
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21:47 - 21:48but cardio many times munition
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21:53 - 21:55so we go quiet diameters
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21:55 - 21:57the best place to catch fish
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21:57 - 21:58this bureau grief
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21:58 - 22:01how long you've been fishing sixty five years
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22:01 - 22:02how many fish he caught four thousand toms
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22:04 - 22:06you've been listening to him
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22:06 - 22:09at the time they still had cooled to a great day
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22:09 - 22:12will he be could he be long yes he could
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22:12 - 22:14but now they want to hear trish
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22:14 - 22:16as this is a perfect now
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22:16 - 22:18the worker who cares about me
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22:18 - 22:21and leaders of the operation that city
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22:21 - 22:25for the benefit of all people in that city all the time
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22:25 - 22:27pierce's novel productions
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22:28 - 22:32if you could recommend a method to make it more substantial
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22:32 - 22:34recommend that night
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22:34 - 22:36do you understand that communication
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22:36 - 22:38there is no communication
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22:38 - 22:42with people so not schooled in in that
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22:42 - 22:44so if you have to do it he can
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22:44 - 22:46that discipline first
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22:46 - 22:48that'd be eight is not their own
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22:48 - 22:49that shaped by culture
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22:49 - 22:51giving him vision
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22:51 - 22:53do that first
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22:53 - 22:56and then go off an engineer and you're better off.
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22:56 - 23:01They believe that every president in individual and individuality is within the parish
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23:01 - 23:05If you can't disprove that deducted mistake
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23:05 - 23:07because he can take it anywhere.
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23:07 - 23:12if you believe yesterday did you see dust to dawn placing thank you
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23:12 - 23:16the guy told me she says no then testability
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23:16 - 23:19He gave me for me
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23:19 - 23:25But if you think that those same goal of a case that feed it fresh food data dog likes
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23:25 - 23:30at a time again comes over two daughters left us
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23:30 - 23:34who died in say wooden shack, less apt to snap
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23:34 - 23:36If people are exceptional for one
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23:36 - 23:42bus and i love you i need you i want to you need or need anything in the world
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23:42 - 23:47if they don't need any way they can't just have a conference in the other person.
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23:47 - 23:51If the person has confidence in another person
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23:51 - 23:55you really can't do that as you know more about the subject of the other person.
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23:55 - 24:00The (?) conference in the laptop into the pilot flying a plane, and i can fly as well as him,
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24:00 - 24:03I’ve flown with him a lot, and he gets me down.
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24:03 - 24:07That is all i have come the fact that he got me there.
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24:07 - 24:12Is it a confident fizzy accompanying pilot? I don't know under what condition she's confident
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24:12 - 24:14and under other conditions he is not.
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24:14 - 24:20I think i told some of you here about the has a lot of people
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24:20 - 24:22it wouldn't have time
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24:22 - 24:29and the pilot said he (?) smoke, and went back to me if i don't want he doesn fire on the floor, they up the tea.
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24:29 - 24:34Obviously, they don't understand the significance of that to people that do that.
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24:34 - 24:38But they always understand that fire he see,
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24:38 - 24:43for making the final flaw they did not able to understand that.
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24:43 - 24:48I’m sure they did make a plan yes they do that but i wanted to be
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24:48 - 24:50I don’t think they did.
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24:50 - 24:56security to mac copulating may define india eked t
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24:56 - 25:03Are they dumb? No. They don’t understand to the relationship of fire to the inside the airplane.
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25:03 - 25:09specially at high altitude, where they have air circulating and limited oxygen.
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25:09 - 25:14If you open a window at an airplane, all the air will be sucked out.
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25:14 - 25:17And some people would say i would like a little ventilation.
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25:17 - 25:21If the windows were open global could be a lot of dead people requested
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25:21 - 25:23And you wouldn’t know why.
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25:23 - 25:27Unless they know i must say how much what would that work unchanged that broken parts.
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25:27 - 25:33How do you know this? When the plane crashes, the FHA takes you to know hanger
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25:33 - 25:38lays out the windows and the door of the land here, and they look at everything.
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25:38 - 25:45there was an air pressure problem, profusely diploma windows blown out,
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25:45 - 25:47and they know what love for.
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25:47 - 25:53FHA are they perfect? No. But you know better what to look for than the average person.
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25:53 - 25:58So, when the FHA says, they do a list of probable cause of that crash.
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25:58 - 26:05Now, if you say the man assassinated another person, because he was brought up in Italy,
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26:05 - 26:11or the value system that differences that with people who don’t assassinate people that they disagree with.
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26:11 - 26:14But if a person’s condition to beat up on another guy,
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26:14 - 26:21that looks as tended to his wife sexually, is he bad, or is he a victim of the culture? That is what i mean.
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26:21 - 26:26So, if you get mad at somebody, it means you really don’t understand this subject.
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26:26 - 26:29So if a guy says “you want to fight?”
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26:29 - 26:32He believes that beat you in a fight is right.
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26:32 - 26:37He may be better at fighting than you are, but it doesn’t make him right.
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26:37 - 26:43Normal, all of the normal people believe that a guy who is better in fighting is right.
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26:43 - 26:46Right is might (?). You heard that shit.
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26:46 - 26:50And so, if you are right, you get the shit to get outer here.
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26:50 - 26:56So, if they say, why wouldn’t you explain your ideas to a lot of people, and see how they feel about it?
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26:56 - 27:02If you explain, if you have an atheist lecture to a group of catholics, they could revoke him out.
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27:02 - 27:07If you lose a debate, say you are in a debating team, and there is a debate.
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27:07 - 27:11The guys like the guy that wanted to pay. Does it mean he is right? No.
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27:11 - 27:18It just meant that the people are listening to, or is familiar with that point of view, or under another point of view.
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27:18 - 27:21So if you win a debate it doesn’t mean you’re right.
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27:21 - 27:27If say god may all listen and can come about in another way. Most people will shake their heads.
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27:27 - 27:29That doesn’t make him right.
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27:29 - 27:33So, when you get into a debate, you don’t enter to win.
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27:33 - 27:38You enter to see how many people you can primarily affect in the discussion.
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27:38 - 27:43And if you are “poopooed”, you know what it mean? It says, that guy is falling into shit.
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27:43 - 27:49And you will walk out, that means you would have no relevant approaches to those people.
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27:49 - 27:53Do you understand the questions and the answers? There are no answers.
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27:53 - 27:56Answer is, can we answer this question?
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27:56 - 28:00What makes war, like this one answer, this is the answer.
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28:00 - 28:04It is a whole study of kingdoms and habits of thought,
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28:04 - 28:08and this nation is different to the other nation,
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28:08 - 28:12and believes their way is the right way, so they try too kill the other nation.
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28:12 - 28:16Are they bad? No. Are they murderers? No.
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28:16 - 28:18They are victims of a different culture.
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28:18 - 28:22So, if you can’t get to people, instead of saying they are dumb,
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28:22 - 28:26and that you don’t have the time to build the referential language,
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28:26 - 28:31or they don't have the background to understand you. That is possible.
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28:31 - 28:35I wanted you to get that (?), so you don’t waste your time.
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28:35 - 28:43I don’t talk to people that raises questions like you can't predict your own behavior. I can’t do anything with that.
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28:43 - 28:47You mentioned if you want to go over intellectual traps.
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28:47 - 28:53Intellectual traps is the habits. You picked up a habit as an intellectual trap.
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28:53 - 28:59You revert back to that, say, somebody has make all this. That is the individual trap.
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28:59 - 29:05If you trained in religion first, then the intellectual trap is assuming god made all of this.
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29:05 - 29:11And if you behaved badly, they say that devil (?) into you. That is an intellectual trap.
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29:11 - 29:14You have the free will and kick the devil out of here.
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29:14 - 29:20There are people tended to grow on that section to get out he said the track
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29:20 - 29:23keep her off right now test
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29:23 - 29:30That is an intellectual trap. That means at his school if indeed he isn't sure if i A pretended like to attract that is an intellectual trap.
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29:30 - 29:34A habit, established habit, is an intellectual trap.
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29:34 - 29:37Yes. Staying up all is an alternative in the problem.
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29:37 - 29:39review
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29:39 - 29:42Very difficultly. You can’t.. It's almost impossible
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29:42 - 29:48Because of a guy diet pluck a whole bunch electronic equipment sound cooking, everything.
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29:48 - 29:50And he knows something about electronics, sound equipment, erything.
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29:50 - 29:54he said my system isn't working, it’s all you can say.
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29:54 - 30:01But you can say it's a transistors capacitors, circuitry, he can’t say that. She doesn't know that.
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30:01 - 30:04places is not working to explain
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30:04 - 30:08there's a guy in terms of the violence doesn't go up he hooks inside
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30:08 - 30:11he sees it worked out to insisted he dealt with a look
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30:13 - 30:16but the average price of my car isn't working right
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30:16 - 30:20it tends to be until the last right chuck
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30:20 - 30:23those words that you'd like i was working on
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30:23 - 30:25he took a little volunteers has a right
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30:27 - 30:29he thinks in terms of time
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30:29 - 30:32the world's he enters a new strategy
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30:32 - 30:33but it doesn't happen
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30:33 - 30:35the average person unless they don't panic four times and that any stated that
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30:39 - 30:42committed by pediatrician lifetime chump change here
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30:44 - 30:46only active you know per person can
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30:47 - 30:49no if she had oppression can't know
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30:51 - 30:54the to humanity it p humidity in the year
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30:54 - 30:56that carries the health care whatever changes
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30:58 - 31:00unless they know about transferring out
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31:02 - 31:05So you think totally insane even talk to people.
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31:05 - 31:08That’s why it's good to have to go through what you majoring
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31:08 - 31:10And the guy says conscious electronic.
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31:10 - 31:14And, what else you should he would be here? Human behaviour.
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31:14 - 31:17How much of human behavior have you worked with?
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31:17 - 31:22Well, i like Charles Gordon’s concepts of behaviour.
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31:22 - 31:25Or i like the (?), you know?
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31:25 - 31:31Then you know what areas of behaviour they are endoctrinated in. Or in which ways.
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31:31 - 31:34Can a guy be a mechanistic basically
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31:34 - 31:39I would say no because a mechanist listen a lot of people says,
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31:39 - 31:41but then put it to test and see if it works.
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31:41 - 31:45And if works, they are not victims of habituation.
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31:45 - 31:48Now, let me give you an example of a statement on
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31:48 - 31:52only and they can gentile impressions
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31:52 - 31:55When a person says my refrigerator doesn't work
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31:55 - 32:01well, they don’t know whether if it gets as cool as it should, as it turned off, they don’t know.
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32:01 - 32:07They are experts, as a guy that knows the anatomy of the refrigerator. You can talk to them.
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32:07 - 32:12But you can’t talk to a person that knows nothing about refrigerator.
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32:12 - 32:18A person that knows nothing, about to say, airplanes. They can't say what makes it stable.
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32:18 - 32:24He doesn't know what you said that he'd like to see. He doesn’t know what that means.
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32:24 - 32:26How much (?), how do you determine that.
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32:26 - 32:30In aeronautics indian army you're getting the message the economy
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32:30 - 32:35In automotive science you're shaking his love of the oakland hills.
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32:35 - 32:38And you have a person that says yes.
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32:38 - 32:42can't find a health forty five degrees too much
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32:42 - 32:46if i can handle camera work
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32:46 - 32:49so if you have a table india water
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32:49 - 32:51do not try to climb hills
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32:51 - 32:57except affordability that's how to use a mechanism.
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32:57 - 33:02Don't try to do upside-down flying in a nonstop flight
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33:02 - 33:06has stopped playing shops the fuels products outside
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33:06 - 33:09lawyers for the whole plan
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33:09 - 33:12so stunt kite has a bypass mechanism
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33:12 - 33:15shuts up you'll when the temperature
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33:15 - 33:18but if you say the plane discipline to study
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33:18 - 33:21that means people took here
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33:21 - 33:23so when you talk about giving stuff
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33:23 - 33:30architecture structural, bridges, the way that the structures are arranged, even talk to people.
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33:30 - 33:33But if they said, what makes the bridge stand-up?
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33:33 - 33:36You say, have you got three days. No, i haven’t.
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33:36 - 33:39Then come back when you have more time.
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33:39 - 33:42Because there are many little things you can discuss.
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33:42 - 33:46But things are not subject to questions and answers.
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33:46 - 33:51In school, they say there is a question-and-answer period. We didn't talk about it.
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33:51 - 33:54But you really can't have questions and answers.
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33:54 - 33:59Even he did have kindly inform tech precious pal entitlement to health care what technology is.
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33:59 - 34:09And how technicians arrive at decisions today not arrival decisions outside their field, maybe not. You have to find that out.
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34:09 - 34:14An electronic expert doesn’t know how to check behaviiour.
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34:14 - 34:18he says don't feed on itself templates natural
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34:18 - 34:23the wrong assumptions, even though we don't electrons for agency
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34:23 - 34:26he can transfer that to another field.
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34:26 - 34:29So, questions and answers and really,
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34:29 - 34:32in the future about the what was your background
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34:32 - 34:34networking stuff
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34:34 - 34:37when you talk to the intern
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34:37 - 34:40there aren't going to change question
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34:40 - 34:42well even though i knew that
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34:42 - 34:43any questions
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34:43 - 34:45and i think you don't understand
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34:45 - 34:49patel questions but his statements
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34:49 - 34:53feeling all he's permitted to talk to spectacular
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34:53 - 34:56how of his vision
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34:56 - 34:58but don't communicate
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34:58 - 35:02guilty tells people without limitation like chico
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35:02 - 35:06do you understand what that means is not just saying his questions and answers
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35:06 - 35:08he can sit back
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35:08 - 35:10hinting to electronic
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35:10 - 35:16uneven teeth about two characteristics of technology, how one point six with another,
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35:16 - 35:21there is because the cold usually in automobiles ordeal tell you what to do.
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35:21 - 35:26Without that columbia interaction the average person drives a car into the great until it breaks down. This is what they do.
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35:26 - 35:29They drive it until don't include cuts out.
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35:29 - 35:34Because they can afford to take a ten anna jarvis like that slight differencies. And always have the money.
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35:34 - 35:38So, the word democracy cannot be enough meta fist (?).
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35:38 - 35:45If you can afford to take a call in or your wife to the doctor what she had chronic headaches,
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35:45 - 35:48and take taper into an mri just over a thousand dollars,
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35:48 - 35:53to bucket last don't stuff your best buy guts on somebody.
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35:53 - 35:56He is fine roundabouts isn't review board you are poor.
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35:56 - 36:01So, the word democracy does not permit you to behave democratically.
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36:01 - 36:03Unless you have the purchasing power to do so.
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36:03 - 36:11So i don't understand what it's like freedom, democracy, individuality, because they're not telling me anything.
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36:11 - 36:15Something about the persons limitations is all things go they told me.
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36:15 - 36:17not what society believed purposes i believe in individual that way.
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36:17 - 36:24I don’t have to make a painting that makes sense to you as long it makes sense to me. That is not sharing ideas.
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36:24 - 36:26If you make a painting that makes can maintain that means a lot to you,
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36:26 - 36:32lover flashes cabrini yellow crossing he's just read
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36:32 - 36:36All of that is projection. I can’t deal with that.
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36:36 - 36:40Because they will go go unpaid if you enjoy it. That make you feel good.
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36:40 - 36:46But don't come at me and said, with you frame my paintings in exhibitional.
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36:46 - 36:53Because the painting you do gives everybody a different value system, i can’t see the benefit of it.
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36:53 - 36:59If you tell that the world water means anything, that is a lost of communication.
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36:59 - 37:01It means subject to interpretation.
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37:01 - 37:11before he reached out to you doing contaminated uncontaminated water salt water, passages and water, that means something.
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37:11 - 37:19But if you just talk about water, in one-way, and everybody interpreted the wrong way, you have a divided civilization.
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37:19 - 37:22Why do we have if we have it in one way? We don't have that one way.
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37:22 - 37:31We have to have a verifiable way, not any one way. One way is god makes everything.
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37:31 - 37:35A verifiable way is whose principal below if you don't wanna will keep the soil
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37:35 - 37:40apiece and insects tracking down the, that is a verifiable way.
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37:40 - 37:47So language has to do with verifiability. That is why they can't communicate with anybody.
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37:47 - 37:53You only communicate with those people that are relevant. Conversant jk trying to be.
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37:53 - 38:00If your mother says a person that oppressions guilty, i knowing that i could see in this case.
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38:00 - 38:05Well, nobody is ever guilty of anything. They just have different methods that you have.
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38:05 - 38:10That is very hard to accept the person is a disturber of the present.
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38:10 - 38:15If i had a person that was a continuist which is dead to heaven, i might say and i actually have to leave.
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38:15 - 38:20I said this because i have to consider everybody there.
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38:20 - 38:23A disturbing senses says that this terrorist senses an organization i don’t mean by anything you said.
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38:23 - 38:27i believe i have free will know what to expect geographically i say, and i said you have to leave.
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38:27 - 38:30You're avoiding my question, no i’m not.
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38:30 - 38:34I have to consider, or i will consider the majority of the people.
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38:34 - 38:41I would let a person eleven percent or that this is sincere, but birthday using is getting but if i don't think is agreeing with you.
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38:41 - 38:44That is bringing up the oposition, as they say i don’t agree that you are building a stronger,
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38:44 - 38:49i don't believe that if you build it will be stronger if you're interested queue to get it
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38:49 - 38:53and how much they will show me reputable
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38:53 - 38:57But they say i don't agree with him at one twenty ish shall participation
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38:57 - 39:02So, participation means fundamental referential criticism.
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39:02 - 39:08People don't talk about the subject, they talk about their feelings, regarding to a subject.
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39:08 - 39:09Do you know how it is different?
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39:09 - 39:11I don't want to get around to be live in a round city.
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39:11 - 39:14But if i want to miss class today square city?
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39:14 - 39:18Well, they would say mentioned one of the benefits and how do you arrive at that.
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39:18 - 39:20That would be inquiry.
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39:20 - 39:24When you ask questions, you have to say tell what the question is.
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39:24 - 39:29Does it have a record tested question could mean anything
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39:29 - 39:37So, participatory democracy is ridiculous statement. It cannot be. You can’t participate in democracy.
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39:37 - 39:41But you define that term. What do you mean by that?
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39:41 - 39:46And you agree with participatory democracy? And i said yes i do.
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39:46 - 39:51And why don’t you take your car and go away from here? Unless you take into a budget? That would help to fix your car.
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39:51 - 39:56Or that chicken that raises out, they increased the chicken to the right person feeding
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39:56 - 39:59because the wrong person can participate
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39:59 - 40:04now when they talk about this participatory democracy question, how would you grow more food.
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40:04 - 40:11I want to participate, they don't know if the study agriculture and come back to the big time antwort
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40:11 - 40:13or try something, work at it.
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40:13 - 40:19I don't see anything detrimental on that, but if you do that when you talk to people.
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40:19 - 40:23hit television ministry question is
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40:23 - 40:26I have to, you seee? They don't even know that.
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40:26 - 40:35so he's a liar finishing up a new book on semantic they've gotten there yet that language is subject to an interpretation,
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40:35 - 40:40because if it is, and i fear it but you don't understand it says i want you to che had to give
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40:40 - 40:48So you have to live in the bases that enables you to make more appropriate decisions.
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40:48 - 40:54I would outposts the questions to Jacque and Roxanne right now.
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40:54 - 40:59Okay, thanks Shawn. First question. Do you have a transitional solution for technological unemployment
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40:59 - 41:03before a resource based economy can be attained?
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41:03 - 41:09Have you considered the importance of getting governments on board with such a transitional idea?
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41:09 - 41:15For example, decreasing working hours? Do you have a plan for a transitional government?
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41:15 - 41:21No, we only have a plan for transitional resource based economy.
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41:21 - 41:25Not within the system? Not within the system.
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41:25 - 41:32Jack Catran stated that you grew up around four or five other intellectuals as a young man.
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41:32 - 41:36What happened to these other men?
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41:36 - 41:43Did they ever become socially aware or help you towards the resource based economy direction?
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41:43 - 41:51To whatever extent they could, they are all now deceased. Yes.
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41:51 - 41:58Well, Jacque did it for several books, trying to introduce what he could, Jack Catran.
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41:58 - 42:02You surrounded yourself with some interesting individuals, like Catran,
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42:02 - 42:08why did they stop being part of Sociocyberneering and the resource based economy idea?
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42:08 - 42:13They never stopped, they worked at it all their lives. Yes, Jack Catran did.
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42:13 - 42:18The people that Jacque really spent a lot of time with when he was younger
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42:18 - 42:26are kids that he really introduced to science and aviation too. They all went into aviation, most, didn't they?
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42:26 - 42:30And they worked with you in building the Trend Home, didn’t they? Yes.
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42:30 - 42:35The first aluminum pre-fabricated home after WW2. Yes.
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42:35 - 42:42And weren't they going to go to, at one time, you asked them all to meet you in the motto,
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42:42 - 42:47That was South Pacific islands. Yes, and you thought a war was going to happen in there.
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42:47 - 42:55And as I remember you asked them all to meet you there, because after the war you wanted to start a new-direction society.
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42:55 - 42:59But you were the only one that showed up there, is that right?
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42:59 - 43:10Yes, that is true. They weren't able to carry that out, they didn't have the money to travel out there.
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43:10 - 43:16I see. In the collapse, do you think the government will use the army in the streets to keep their power,
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43:16 - 43:21or do you think the army will protect the public?
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43:21 - 43:27No, the army will protect the government, because that's the way they're brought up.
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43:27 - 43:33The army is to serve the interests of the establishment, not the majority of people.
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43:34 - 43:43As witnessed, the police spraying mace or some other object into people's eyes when they were not fighting back.
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43:43 - 43:50The police serve the interests of the establishment, not the public.
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43:50 - 43:58In the past, i read in an old newspaper advertisement on your website that you identified yourself as a behaviorist,
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43:58 - 44:04when attending public lectures back in the 1960/1970s.
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44:04 - 44:08Would you still identify yourself as a behaviorist today?
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44:08 - 44:14A behaviorist? I would say it's greatly modified today.
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44:14 - 44:18Yes, i believe environment shapes behavior,
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44:18 - 44:26but i'm interested in the specific aspects of the environment that shape particular kinds of behavior,
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44:26 - 44:33whether it be serial killers, gangsters, whatever people are, they're shaped by their sub-culture,
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44:33 - 44:36the culture they're exposed to,
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44:36 - 44:40and the conditions and they're exposed to.
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44:40 - 44:48How useful is evolutionary psychology? Do you think there's such a thing as "evolved behaviours,"
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44:48 - 44:52particularly in non-verbal animals?
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44:52 - 44:57I would say that that's a very difficult subject to the answer.
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44:57 - 45:06I can only say that animals behave with their limited receptors to whatever extent they're receptors tell them,
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45:06 - 45:13they're receptors are not sophisticated and that's why they're called primitive.
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45:13 - 45:22Human being is capable of a wide range of receptors or instruments to improve their ability to function,
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45:22 - 45:32such as microscopes which extend their sensitivity into realms that they themselves cannot perceive visually.
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45:32 - 45:39They can use instruments. And the instruments serve as extensional devices,
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45:39 - 45:46But human beings, without instruments, would be very primitive indeed.
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45:46 - 45:55Also in terms of "evolved behaviors", animals really react to their environment whatever receptors they have,
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45:55 - 45:58if it doesn't work well within their environment,
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45:58 - 46:00whether you call them evolved or whatever, what other, whatever
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46:00 - 46:05changed mechanisms or apparatus that they have,
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46:05 - 46:09if it doesn't work well in their environment they die out.
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46:09 - 46:15So "evolved" is kind of a strange word, evolved behaviours.
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46:15 - 46:22You have often said in the future the field of psychology will be replaced with behavioral science.
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46:22 - 46:29That means the study of the effects of environment upon behaviour.
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46:29 - 46:34To find the mechanisms that are the
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46:34 - 46:39primary mechanism responsible for certain types of behavior.
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46:39 - 46:47If you're brought up in a society where people have ten or fifteen wives that would be normal to your upbringing.
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46:47 - 46:50If you're brought up in a society where a person has one wife,
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46:50 - 46:54or if you're brought where religion dominates
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46:54 - 46:59that will affect the value system of that society.
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46:59 - 47:05So I'm a great believer in the effects of environment on human behaviour,
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47:05 - 47:09I don't think there's a republican gene or a democratic gene.
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47:09 - 47:18I think all of the genes deliver is the color of the eyes, the shape of the head, and the certain propensity, reflexes.
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47:18 - 47:23Yes, all that's controlled by genes, but values are learned.
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47:23 - 47:33The rest of this question is Isn't this very similar to behaviorism because behaviorism identifies the conditions which generate behavior?
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47:33 - 47:38If it does that, then I'm all for it.
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47:38 - 47:43Is it true that psychologists referred their patients/subjects
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47:43 - 47:46to you to work on?
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47:46 - 47:51Not all psychologists, some psychologists.
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47:51 - 47:52also didn't
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47:52 - 47:56When lawyers started coming to some of Jacque's lectures
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47:56 - 47:59in the nineteen sixties or seventies, wasn't it?
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47:59 - 48:00Then they brought judges
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48:01 - 48:03and then the judges,
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48:03 - 48:08there was one judge who worked with juveniles and instead of sending
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48:08 - 48:10them to juvenile home they would send them
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48:10 - 48:13to Jacque's lectures.
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48:13 - 48:16Yes, that's true.
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48:16 - 48:18In the book i've read,
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48:18 - 48:25a New York Times reporter attended your lectures in the 70's, he then went on to commit suicide,
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48:25 - 48:32is that because he could not handle this information, became depressed, etc.?
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48:32 - 48:38No. Some newspaper reporter came to a couple of my seminars
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48:38 - 48:43and he said, "What you say makes sense, if I can't get that out I'll kill myself.
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48:43 - 48:46I believe I can get that out;
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48:46 - 48:51I believe that what you say makes so much sense that people can be turned around."
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48:51 - 48:55Well, he was turned around, but he was unable to turn people around.
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48:55 - 49:02and he killed himself because he really believed that i had the answers to questions
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49:02 - 49:09and that all he had to do is write about it, and people would understand it. But it's not that simple.
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49:09 - 49:12right in there are other reasons why did that i couldn't imagine i'll be working
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49:12 - 49:18He was not well enough equipped to handle that problem.
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49:18 - 49:25Have you ever read B.F. Skinner's novel called 'Walden Two', and if so what are your thoughts on it?
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49:25 - 49:28It was insufficient because the methods
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49:28 - 49:32of building cities, the methods of dealing with problems
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49:32 - 49:37were are not sufficient, or sophisticated enough.
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49:37 - 49:41There's another book that Jack Catran
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49:41 - 49:45yet when it is our patrons one of the
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49:45 - 49:49guys that uh... one are not the book training here
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49:49 - 49:52that you tried to talk about resource based economy
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49:52 - 49:54wrote called 'Walden Three'
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49:54 - 49:57which was kind of chaotic but
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49:57 - 49:58had a lot of
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49:58 - 50:00references to Jacque's work and the
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50:00 - 50:06main character was taken after Jacque and talked about a city in the future.
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50:06 - 50:10I have heard that you have produced some books for publications for sociocyberneering
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50:10 - 50:14members back in the 1970's.
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50:14 - 50:18Would it be possible for you to make these freely available online
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50:18 - 50:21for us to read, please?
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50:21 - 50:25I would say that the book 'The Best That Money Can't Buy'
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50:25 - 50:27is an updated version
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50:27 - 50:28of those books.
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50:28 - 50:35Yes, it took some of that information in there and added more.
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50:35 - 50:37Is there anymore news on when
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50:37 - 50:42there may be new lecture audio material from the 1970's available
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50:42 - 50:44at your online store,
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50:44 - 50:48we've been waiting a little while for this?
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50:48 - 50:52We just got forty tapes from
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50:52 - 50:53Karl Geisler
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50:53 - 50:57who used to go to the lectures, you'll hear him with a german accent.
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50:57 - 51:02He found forty more tapes; so for the last several weeks we've been pulling them in.
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51:02 - 51:03Today, we're just
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51:03 - 51:07changing the tapes because several of them that broke.
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51:07 - 51:12We're working on those now,
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51:12 - 51:16we're pulling them into new cases and putting them into the computer. So we've pulled in about
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51:16 - 51:19forty hours, so that's the first step. We have to put it all into the
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51:19 - 51:21computer, but we are working on it.
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51:21 - 51:24I can't say when exactly we'll have it,
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51:24 - 51:28but maybe we'll make them into mp3s or something more accessible I'm not
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51:28 - 51:31sure.
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51:31 - 51:36Have you ever been tempted to change the system from within?
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51:36 - 51:37No, I never have been
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51:37 - 51:39tempted to change the system
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51:39 - 51:41from within.
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51:41 - 51:43I attempt to
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51:43 - 51:44inform people
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51:44 - 51:46as to the effects,
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51:46 - 51:49the prime factors of our society
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51:49 - 51:51and the harmful effects
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51:51 - 51:55of the free enterprise system.
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51:55 - 51:57I don't think there is a step
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51:57 - 52:00within this system to bring it
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52:00 - 52:04without problems into a resource based economy. There's no openings for that
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52:04 - 52:08within this system. It requires a different value system,
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52:08 - 52:10a different approach.
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52:10 - 52:12This system will forever
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52:12 - 52:15uphold this system until it just crashes
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52:15 - 52:19and the examples of that are all over.
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52:19 - 52:24Yes, all over the world not just America.
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52:24 - 52:26Please explain why socialism
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52:26 - 52:30is not a good transitional tool.
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52:30 - 52:33I never said it was not a good translation tool,
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52:33 - 52:36it's not the best, it's not updated.
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52:36 - 52:38Socialism was great
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52:38 - 52:39when it was designed,
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52:39 - 52:43but today we have much better systems,
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52:43 - 52:45much more effective
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52:45 - 52:49to enhance the lives of people in a much faster way
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52:49 - 52:51then the old-time socialist.
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52:51 - 52:54Socialism was concerned with the working class.
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52:54 - 52:57We're concerned with knowledge,
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52:57 - 52:59and who were concerned with
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52:59 - 53:01surpassing the need for work,
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53:01 - 53:02in other words,
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53:02 - 53:06we think machines could replace jobs that are monotonous and boring or
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53:06 - 53:08dangerous
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53:08 - 53:12that people think in terms of what to earn a living
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53:12 - 53:15in the future you don't need to think in terms of work
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53:15 - 53:18you'll be provided for
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53:18 - 53:19and you can study
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53:19 - 53:22anything you want to study in school.
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53:22 - 53:25So i would say that most jobs
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53:25 - 53:28will be phased out,
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53:28 - 53:30maturity um...
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53:30 - 53:32who'll be fatal
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53:32 - 53:33neglecting her abilities are
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53:33 - 53:39most of the early professions will be phased out.
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53:39 - 53:42Why didn't you take the opportunity to make money
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53:42 - 53:44and then change the world
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53:44 - 53:46with that money?
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53:46 - 53:48Because then they would say,
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53:48 - 53:50"Well, that guy's a son of a bitch!
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53:50 - 53:52He became a millionaire
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53:52 - 53:55and then now he talks against the system.
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53:55 - 53:57I don't trust him."
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53:57 - 54:00Actually, Jacque did work within the system
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54:00 - 54:04a lot when he was younger had many different inventions and ideas and
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54:04 - 54:07just because you have good ideas that are better than what's out there does
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54:07 - 54:11not mean it will take-on and make a lot of money with them.
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54:11 - 54:13There's a lot of tremendous inventors
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54:13 - 54:17that didn't get anywhere in the system for various reasons
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54:17 - 54:20but whatever money Jacque did make
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54:20 - 54:23we always turned it back into making more products and making
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54:23 - 54:25the research center and
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54:25 - 54:30perpetuating these ideas and introducing them others.
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54:30 - 54:35Why could you not turn your own brother to these ideas? Why did he go into acting
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54:35 - 54:37instead?
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54:37 - 54:41Because i wasn't skilled enough to reach him.
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54:41 - 54:45In those days, you know that we're talking about forty, fifty, sixty
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54:45 - 54:46years ago,
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54:46 - 54:50i was not able to reach him
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54:50 - 54:52i really tried
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54:52 - 54:54i could not reach him at the time
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54:54 - 54:59i was not as skilled. You were the younger brother too. How much older was him to you?
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54:59 - 55:06About five, six years older.
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55:06 - 55:10What's the relation between Jacque and Roxanne?
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55:10 - 55:13We've been living together and working for
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55:13 - 55:15since 1976.
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55:15 - 55:17Yes.
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55:17 - 55:18We relate
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55:18 - 55:20fairly well in most areas,
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55:20 - 55:23and i would say if that continues,
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55:23 - 55:25which it will.
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55:25 - 55:29And i'm glad that Roxanne has been an enormous help.
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55:29 - 55:31Without Roxanne, i don't think
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55:31 - 55:34we could have gotten our books published
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55:34 - 55:36or most of our films made.
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55:36 - 55:39She's very good at film production
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55:39 - 55:41and she's very good at
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55:41 - 55:42translating.
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55:42 - 55:46We pretty much worked on just about everything together
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55:46 - 55:49and mostly it was a learning process for me learning
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55:49 - 55:54how to make models. Jacque taught me how to do technical illustration
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55:54 - 55:55which transferred to
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55:55 - 55:59fine arts, taught me how to do model making and i learned on his designs which was really fascinating.
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56:02 - 56:07Then i help make a living with that to help support this project
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56:07 - 56:11and then i worked on them with everything else that i could help with.
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56:11 - 56:17When people ask if we're married i say, "We're as good as or better than married."
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56:17 - 56:19Looking backwards in time,
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56:19 - 56:24if you could change certain paths you made in life,
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56:24 - 56:25what are some of the things
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56:25 - 56:29that you would have done differently?
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56:29 - 56:30I can't answer that,
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56:30 - 56:33i don't know.
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56:33 - 56:36Is there anything you regret?
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56:36 - 56:39No, nothing, everything i learned
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56:39 - 56:41from all of my experiences
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56:41 - 56:45i've learned something useful.
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56:45 - 56:50In your lectures you questioned the role of emotions and machines, emotions
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56:50 - 56:56may be used in machines
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56:56 - 56:57for their algorithm
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56:57 - 56:59to process more
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56:59 - 57:00variants
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57:00 - 57:02in its
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57:02 - 57:03evolving
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57:03 - 57:05intelligence?
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57:05 - 57:05I would say
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57:05 - 57:07emotions
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57:07 - 57:11are the feelings you have about things.
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57:11 - 57:14It's what you do about it that counts.
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57:14 - 57:17If you feel that war is terrible
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57:17 - 57:20and you do nothing to try to put and end to it,
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57:20 - 57:24i would say it's useless.
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57:24 - 57:29We don't put emotions in machines because we don't know how.
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57:29 - 57:31No machines have
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57:31 - 57:33ambition.
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57:33 - 57:35No machines feel good.
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57:35 - 57:38They just produce a lot of goods and services
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57:38 - 57:40and they have no feelings
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57:40 - 57:42nor are they concerned
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57:42 - 57:46whether they produce cannons, submarines, bombers,
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57:46 - 57:49or respiratory systems.
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57:49 - 57:51The machines has no feelings
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57:51 - 57:54and the machines cannot have feelings,
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57:54 - 57:57they don't even know how to put feelings into the machines.
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57:57 - 57:59Although you can make the machine
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57:59 - 58:05that would verbalize as though it had feelings, it would be like a movie actor
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58:05 - 58:10acting the part but it really don't feel.
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58:10 - 58:11We don't really want
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58:11 - 58:15machines to have emotions, we want them to take on action pattern.
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58:15 - 58:18We don't want people sitting there emoting
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58:18 - 58:19and being emotional
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58:19 - 58:23without doing something about it.
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58:23 - 58:25Jacque, have you ever read
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58:25 - 58:30Jack Catran's book 'Is They're Intelligent Life on Earth?'
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58:30 - 58:32Yes i have.
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58:32 - 58:36I think it's sort of a round-about way of talking about things,
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58:36 - 58:39i would be more direct than Catran would.
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58:39 - 58:41Catran always kept up,
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58:41 - 58:45he spoke with Jacque quite regularly and always sent Jacque
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58:45 - 58:49his new books and things.
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58:49 - 58:52How do you increase interest toward life,
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58:52 - 58:56towards some activity, towards learning and researching?
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58:56 - 59:00Well, you have to understand the person you're working with.
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59:00 - 59:01Then you have to
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59:01 - 59:02design the system
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59:02 - 59:06so it fits their background.
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59:06 - 59:12You have a design the approach to that person based on their background.
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59:12 - 59:16This person might be talking about himself or herself,
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59:16 - 59:17i don't know if it's
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59:17 - 59:20within oneself.
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59:20 - 59:24What age do you hope to live to?
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59:24 - 59:26I don't think about that.
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59:26 - 59:29I just go on living.
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59:29 - 59:32I may die tomorrow, but I don't know.
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59:32 - 59:35I don't concern myself with that.
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59:35 - 59:40This questions, how do you justify the fancy sprinkler in the water?
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59:40 - 59:45i think this person might be talking about the,
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59:45 - 59:48this is the only place i can think of a fancy sprinkler,
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59:48 - 59:51one of the house computer rendering drawings,
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59:51 - 59:54there's a jet of water in the front of the house?
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59:54 - 59:57Oh, that will be a filtering system.
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59:57 - 60:03Some filtering now found water filters
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60:03 - 60:08there are no fountains for just luxury or to amuse people.
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60:08 - 60:11Everything in the future will have a function.
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60:11 - 60:15So, if you see a waterfall, it's part of the water treatment plant.
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60:15 - 60:18help fish on there too, yes,
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60:18 - 60:21the water, yes
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60:21 - 60:26Have you ever turned around a fundamentalist Christian and how?
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60:26 - 60:31Well, first of all, I approached them with the Bible.
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60:31 - 60:35By approaching them with the Bible it says in the Bible,
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60:35 - 60:40at least the ten commandments, "Thou shall not kill.
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60:40 - 60:45You shall not judge other people otherwise you will be judged,"
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60:45 - 60:48and i point out all the statements
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60:48 - 60:51of the Ten Commandments and how far we've come from it.
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60:51 - 60:54When we get mad at another country,
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60:54 - 60:57we bomb the hell out of them,
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60:57 - 60:59and we kill and we all join in that.
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60:59 - 61:03And the churches bless the armies and they bless war tanks.
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61:03 - 61:07Particularly the Catholic Church sprinkles holy water on the war tanks,
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61:07 - 61:13and the Catholics in Italy bless the war tanks fighting Americans,
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61:13 - 61:18and the Catholics in America bless the war tanks in America.
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61:18 - 61:21I would say that the church seems to conform
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61:21 - 61:24to social institutions
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61:24 - 61:28if they did not conform they would be poorly attended,
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61:28 - 61:31and the church do not conform
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61:31 - 61:35is not advocated as a method of social deliverance.
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61:35 - 61:39And what method do you used to turn around fundamentalists?
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61:39 - 61:44The Bible itself. Show them that it's almost impossible to live
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61:44 - 61:49according to the teachings of Christ in the monetary system.
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61:51 - 61:55Ok, so in the monetary system, I had my finger off it for a minute
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61:58 - 62:00And the fat man on the left book, he said
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62:00 - 62:03in love grandma pins
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62:03 - 62:08we actually never read the fat man on the left book
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62:08 - 62:11when they is a tremendous researcher
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62:11 - 62:12worden shocks
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62:12 - 62:15wiki page and he found that
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62:15 - 62:19but anyway it said your love grandma pins this is true i have no i can't help
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62:19 - 62:21i have read about them
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62:21 - 62:23and i'm starting to do with me
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62:23 - 62:26yet i think that we have the grandmother recipients
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62:26 - 62:29we are not going
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62:29 - 62:35do you think the government banks will forgive the debt
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62:35 - 62:37mickey kantor operate mostly create
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62:41 - 62:45what shocks primordial stew
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62:45 - 62:48you know we always talk about the people come into in bringing pipe primordial
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62:48 - 62:52slime wyndham logs and let me know
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62:52 - 62:54qualcomm up on on your son
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62:54 - 62:57they drank some of the slime with them
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62:57 - 63:01meaning that background than expected
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63:01 - 63:06persons asking what your primordial slime
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63:06 - 63:12company conquerors initially
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63:12 - 63:16delusions of prime motivators for social change
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63:16 - 63:20human suffering com
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63:24 - 63:26okay i guess that's it for now
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63:26 - 63:27thank you very
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63:27 - 63:29too much for the opportunity to express steve's
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63:31 - 63:35you know we appreciate your questions and really good
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63:35 - 63:41next week if all goes well we will talk to you then thanks everyone pre-trial
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63:42 - 63:47thank you all doing a yes banks the gamut from on my hand for
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63:47 - 63:49for everything everybody else is doing tremendous help
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63:53 - 63:57okay except in the room
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63:57 - 63:59okay so instead of the seminar
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63:59 - 64:01sunday recuperated doesn't grow
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May 13 2012 Online Seminar
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