Today is 13 May, Sunday, 2012, Jacque Fresco Seminar
This discussion is about questions and answers.
Sometimes a person asks a question, and i feel that they know very little about.
In other words, if a person is enough familiar with electronics at all, says what if a machine breaks out,
an electronics person doesn't know what is he talking about.
Is it the transistors? are capacitors? circuit? welding?
when you're not talking with specifics, you're not communicating.
When a person says to me you can't protect the behaviour of people
telling me that they don't know behave of people, and this is a subject that i can't do anything well.
And let's say you do about people that insist that they're right?
In other words, that is a specific question. A specific question as: how do you arrive in your decision?
and why is your decision any better than any other decision?
Now, a person that answers that question may or may not understanding the answer.
The assumption that people understands the answer you give them, is an assumption and a projection.
So, in order to check out, if you have the time and few people, you would say what do you say i mean by that?
come over something that attention
So, people work automobile say automobile engineers, not mechanics.
Mechanics are a little different than engineers Engineers understands the efficiency ratios of the parts.
How much long you get per gallon, how few how fuel and the technician understands of all parts of the car.
It will say automobiles are unsafe, with conviction.
That doesn't tell you have make him safer. And doesn't tell you anything
Unless you say, if you make a break, Something that you can use.
Another unanswerable question is: how can you control the population?
You can't control the population, it goes on and multiply.
The question is how do you can control the population.
Now, you can't control population, right on, and, does not give you alternatives.
When a person says you can't make airplanes absolutely safe.
Well, what the hell that tells you? nothing. Except that persons limited hability to participate.
A man would say if you made airplanes safer, that wouldn't say anything that you can use,
so you have to discredit that, government has been corrupt even since begin,
that doesn't tell you how to make them uncorrupt.
So you tell that person that they have nothing to offer, unless you show a method to make a government work.
Unless you say, i would like to know what your view is on this,
have a problem comes up and they say what is your view on automobile safety,
i said you know anything about automobiles. mechanisms of what are they for,
and you can talk about the anatomy of the automobile.
If you don't know anything about the human body, you can't talk about anatomy.
sick people did say that we don't always go live collapsed something that you can do anything with it
if you say the soil is exhausted the plan so i'm going you've offered nothing retain sadness food
grounded in the florida coast the accident which is full
if the plans consumer it needs water not just nutrient arkansas
so what is the conveyor of the substitute plan previously
we already have topshop what any suggestion that flash to that person
caterpillar ahead of time what do you suggest
well i don't know that shut up the industry in a timely manner do you think
people can dance questions unless they know thirty-eight happening as such he got that is the same thing
which you said that he wanted to have planned for what reason automobile move usually
many different things fueled conducted changes so that wheeled transmission what we want no specific
many things involved in the movement of a car
refuge a huge everyday human beings to all come from different environments
and in many different and you can't baseball react the same way attitude
accepted persons limitations potential well a lot of people that are committed to talk to you today
in the future they won't be now would you be coming to a medical conference
negative about the jungle you think this concept that this matter
what do you think about it interviewed justin outside mama oppression
they don't say what do you think so i don't have a confirmation that the people
and then there are no conference and a lot of people
so it kind of question is a year are related to the flying machine only
located discussion other airport safety than we h ave fha people here at work is done
and you say well it's a matter of the runway well and the rest of the plane
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and reinforcement of ground why do you need me barcelona where they were great hotwire
so the concrete crack it doesn't change elevation if you have wires and there
hickey says the same location even though it's cracked
if you're not equipped to understand the engine he can ask questions
who organizes in electronic could fail to path participation but often dot
sometimes i would not engage impression if i feel that i'm not talking about the subject
they say you can't predicted predate human behavior
it could get him to have contributed to tell us to
giving a different view
let me know only ten stories high
the senate floor
why do you want to do that
to talk about studying
division
you can make more than he was absolutely sick
what do you feel a limitation
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affection
the distraction of dieting
it is a cell phone
and that diving into a p
and the kids are fighting in the bag does the distractions
to anyone caught up in cincinnati to distraction
how did you do that right now
and he said
all you want soldiers who do is operated sheena
a twenty-one
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on the trenches
because discussed
portrayed as they get somebody else
but that would be relevant to the war
what they do say blindfolded assaulted needs to take its gonna pipeline for the
cutest even
and he has to assembly blindfolded
candy case you don't have a lawyer in the country
the machine gun jams
and want to know how the undo the gem
but if you talk about velocity
and the history of guns
that does not undo the gem
let you go
very familiar with the taking the time
the machine everynight conferences
are all the characteristics
of different hair
they try to follow that your government during the war
because they show
that they can't make it turn
has faeces american friends can
therefore take advantage
of that uncertainty
of the internet
when the german pilot lands on an american irish
has surrendered sierra lane
they take it up
to study extern characteristics
had to write a report
on what they can do and one of the cases
that gives you a veteran pilot
detainee of knowing the rate of crime of that era
you don't know that and you just want to rely on your own ability
killer had predicted a dire report although both forms of the andrea
protesters leek and potato
until you can't refrain
courses you must have to fight
so you offer a foreign power
fifty thousand dollars
whose defiance in cash
he do it every after
to get them to make
they say you can get it can happen
that doesn't anything one of the method of getting internet
people come up with ideas
whether or i don't know and a good detective work he is
if the passenger's sentence dot
so remember this is is that they have hidden
people will talk about all kinds of things
but not when their cooperation be taken to the book
on the air conditioning breaks down they could take you to enter conditioning
mechanic you can go to the bank
he could say well i don't know
check the inquiry downplayed he doesn't know
so everybody likes to feel comp
everybody likes to feel
they want to participate the question is
the only way to participate anything
is offering any tangible referential prescription
if you believe
they're all things are affected by other things
means that humanity if there's a predictable
if you believe that day digi conditioning chafee cake
if you think it's a belong
he can't take that
the leader in human behavior is immoral
you can't predict
who the hell no
working in a wonderful he's going to be
of the candidate that you can think but if you believe that he was fascinated
because it is
well they think
that's alright as long as you know what works
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in the city appreicate if they have
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in louisville
you have to have swine flu
even take guests
but that's not likely move it
if you believe in human behavior
the state of corn which congressional floors reinforced
he says people will do anything
if you really important
if you want to know
config truthfully
i think the cadets who treat you said that was very nice of you to do that
and you trade what would you like to do is it that you're going to go in america
can be taken longer reinforcement
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you will get back to work every day
if you say that we give negative reinforcing to certain behavior
and will stop at a caveat only when you're a but when you're not there
okay maybe have another conversion
the swimming pool
if you're not there
some of the impression
they said they'd leave a certain way
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everybody's scientific
because they're not read more
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when teachers
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the captain says
what method did you use
because i want to talk to the new i was
but the method you used
out of the information
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develop the era really know how to find out that you really have a
that has to take
although it's not sincere never outmaneuver the unique you gotta be
given to the punch
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had taken his
outpacing the ability to defy conference
toddlers okay
how to save lives here
he let go yet myself singer
if you don't know all those things
it's hard to communicate and the president
you didn't answer my question it would be you didn't answer my question in terms i didn't understand
because you don't know that unit mike and he said electronic gravestones
the guy in the field of electronics really investigating
they say the capacitor
overwhelmed brooke undecided copper wire
going into pretentious
here's a guy who had a look
but he does not let let me just say eight broke down
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he knows that he has restate my uni kaha me
on the bottom attorney he's got a little more who work for
hearsay if for example over
what's permissible
he can do it
john and i think that we could do anything with
his the happier if he had the option b
handled case had conducted
a liability is eating food
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or emotional stress
he's going to hang up
someone usually michael continues the all day long
i can't stop laughing
he might take out his hand doesn't like that
and compare it to other doctors
he can't do that
except unfair the every question
does not compare mechanical systems
nor can they talk about kisses on the city's if you say
many people requiring different kinds of cities
and different kinds of house
now if they do if anybody would like to go on their own car individual cough for
everybody
it will cost a million dollars apiece
if you make donaldson sample
a hundred shed a tear look-alike
much cheaper he understand them
tomas carnage
most forward volkswagens rather than a look-alike
who make each one different there would be out of the range because
do you allow for individuality in that society
idiotic individually to meet means
differences in delhi
by different aspects of the culture
we can afford all kinds of individuals
guy i want to listen
three creases
less individual latitude obscene individual
on the same as into the individually is when
p was a right now and then to excess
feel the
boston individuals
but that this doesn't do anything for the people
convincing them of that do they want to know what do you think this type it
florida state is no different than the
than existing
i can't deal with
in fact not device agencies that nothing thing
and what does it contribute
contributes to the well being of people they feel good energy
is an important
well if they want to see a bull flag they feel good
watching the bulls
feel good about the ultimate answer
it's a collective utility area
and i would go
what will benefit people marsh
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however the oh so they disconnected
i would agree to the environment
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at the class of two thousand years he will die kathy sanctions won't make it
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that we depend on ninety jim
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you could tell by valued would be electricity would flow only in the ground bonafide
would go to the atmosphere tree
a little girl on the bicycle
and that means it wasn't designed for her
i swear to the provision when basic give us a change in season
we need to change or people in this topic here apparently type to the board
they would know what you're talking about. And they say it was a way before to
If you give us a change in season, the average person not mean
i'm meteorologist resistant to weather
personal questions are asked.
But there are other kids that would love until our case it would love to participate
so they'll say part of it has a lot of evidence in that city?
They are looking for participation
If you say the water supply has not yet been all the houses
can you make it even shut the whole he'd get whatever they want to know.
But you can say what if i behind our lives
that helps keep bringing up anarchy argument, the recognition of participation
So, a real participation is a how would you acclimate people to just assign?
if they were will grow to believe in individual housing?
You can't do that, unless you now to tell where people get their values from.
If you live in the icu work touched on it, or week long, those become normal to you.
And if you said oh i i one of the legal your predecessor president bringing up contradiction, or no other reason than participating.
Do you understand that?
What is real participation when the brain cell what we do? Gee, you crash.
who can you make brakes less apt to fail? No, i’m sure you not.
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So, your assumption reception argumentative questions questions
Is it this is an assumption
Unless you ask what you think i mean?
And they come up with some intermediate
say, apparently i was unable to answer
or they don't have the background to understand what went wrong with the electronics.
if you tell them kidney purposefully not working properly
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an orthodox and if you have to get the book handbook of the for me
and uh... of the anatomy opted to go and how they work what they do
to the organs were going on today control by abortion
all of a study of motions and the effect on mortgage
which is another string celtic
psychology opulence
this is an always the failure of the kidney
he could be a failure
of love of life for you
if your whole family is killed one of the election
it may not want to live a day
they call at the will to die
that should be deleted will death
i know it seems strange that they go to bed at night
and they don't feel alive
they don't sleep well
they've been see other people
for their life has been cut what they called
if people live in a world where everybody friendly
everybody's concerned about you will be would you
culture friend dollars you've got left alone
home either pay the rent obligated eat
upheaval liberal old today
and i would say that if everybody tried to work
to enhance a lot of everybody else
you would be desperate when somebody dies give him a television boy drea
jennings thank you
how do you know what i mean by answering questions you can't let the patient
isn't that discipline represent
to human eighty keeps changing that's why you can't dictate what people do
say he's telling you
that he hasn't already method of predicting behavior
now you know what to do lane jobs
they have good communication if they do
wanted the loop with the ruling does too big of the loop
to me is that brown development correctly may do that at the end of the way
the pilot the main guy has a lobbyist uh
prenatal are trained to follow the puck
the pilot makes it harder on his decision that you know
thank you for allowing us to collect it worked out alright he kicked ass
because as all the way people have not knowing things
is that the x_-ray in the field knows more about it that you do it's true
their refrigerators engineer
might be able to make use his radio worked well
but he knows more about it that the breakdown
killing you call upon expiry
they're not always accurate
but they're more likely that you are
and that's all we go away
half of the largest tells me
we expect a very stormy winter
he has more methods of the arriving at that prediction couldn't be long yet
but cardio many times munition
so we go quiet diameters
the best place to catch fish
this bureau grief
how long you've been fishing sixty five years
how many fish he caught four thousand toms
you've been listening to him
at the time they still had cooled to a great day
will he be could he be long yes he could
but now they want to hear trish
as this is a perfect now
the worker who cares about me
and leaders of the operation that city
for the benefit of all people in that city all the time
pierce's novel productions
if you could recommend a method to make it more substantial
recommend that night
do you understand that communication
there is no communication
with people so not schooled in in that
so if you have to do it he can
that discipline first
that'd be eight is not their own
that shaped by culture
giving him vision
do that first
and then go off an engineer and you're better off.
They believe that every president in individual and individuality is within the parish
If you can't disprove that deducted mistake
because he can take it anywhere.
if you believe yesterday did you see dust to dawn placing thank you
the guy told me she says no then testability
He gave me for me
But if you think that those same goal of a case that feed it fresh food data dog likes
at a time again comes over two daughters left us
who died in say wooden shack, less apt to snap
If people are exceptional for one
bus and i love you i need you i want to you need or need anything in the world
if they don't need any way they can't just have a conference in the other person.
If the person has confidence in another person
you really can't do that as you know more about the subject of the other person.
The (?) conference in the laptop into the pilot flying a plane, and i can fly as well as him,
I’ve flown with him a lot, and he gets me down.
That is all i have come the fact that he got me there.
Is it a confident fizzy accompanying pilot? I don't know under what condition she's confident
and under other conditions he is not.
I think i told some of you here about the has a lot of people
it wouldn't have time
and the pilot said he (?) smoke, and went back to me if i don't want he doesn fire on the floor, they up the tea.
Obviously, they don't understand the significance of that to people that do that.
But they always understand that fire he see,
for making the final flaw they did not able to understand that.
I’m sure they did make a plan yes they do that but i wanted to be
I don’t think they did.
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Are they dumb? No. They don’t understand to the relationship of fire to the inside the airplane.
specially at high altitude, where they have air circulating and limited oxygen.
If you open a window at an airplane, all the air will be sucked out.
And some people would say i would like a little ventilation.
If the windows were open global could be a lot of dead people requested
And you wouldn’t know why.
Unless they know i must say how much what would that work unchanged that broken parts.
How do you know this? When the plane crashes, the FHA takes you to know hanger
lays out the windows and the door of the land here, and they look at everything.
there was an air pressure problem, profusely diploma windows blown out,
and they know what love for.
FHA are they perfect? No. But you know better what to look for than the average person.
So, when the FHA says, they do a list of probable cause of that crash.
Now, if you say the man assassinated another person, because he was brought up in Italy,
or the value system that differences that with people who don’t assassinate people that they disagree with.
But if a person’s condition to beat up on another guy,
that looks as tended to his wife sexually, is he bad, or is he a victim of the culture? That is what i mean.
So, if you get mad at somebody, it means you really don’t understand this subject.
So if a guy says “you want to fight?”
He believes that beat you in a fight is right.
He may be better at fighting than you are, but it doesn’t make him right.
Normal, all of the normal people believe that a guy who is better in fighting is right.
Right is might (?). You heard that shit.
And so, if you are right, you get the shit to get outer here.
So, if they say, why wouldn’t you explain your ideas to a lot of people, and see how they feel about it?
If you explain, if you have an atheist lecture to a group of catholics, they could revoke him out.
If you lose a debate, say you are in a debating team, and there is a debate.
The guys like the guy that wanted to pay. Does it mean he is right? No.
It just meant that the people are listening to, or is familiar with that point of view, or under another point of view.
So if you win a debate it doesn’t mean you’re right.
If say god may all listen and can come about in another way. Most people will shake their heads.
That doesn’t make him right.
So, when you get into a debate, you don’t enter to win.
You enter to see how many people you can primarily affect in the discussion.
And if you are “poopooed”, you know what it mean? It says, that guy is falling into shit.
And you will walk out, that means you would have no relevant approaches to those people.
Do you understand the questions and the answers? There are no answers.
Answer is, can we answer this question?
What makes war, like this one answer, this is the answer.
It is a whole study of kingdoms and habits of thought,
and this nation is different to the other nation,
and believes their way is the right way, so they try too kill the other nation.
Are they bad? No. Are they murderers? No.
They are victims of a different culture.
So, if you can’t get to people, instead of saying they are dumb,
and that you don’t have the time to build the referential language,
or they don't have the background to understand you. That is possible.
I wanted you to get that (?), so you don’t waste your time.
I don’t talk to people that raises questions like you can't predict your own behavior. I can’t do anything with that.
You mentioned if you want to go over intellectual traps.
Intellectual traps is the habits. You picked up a habit as an intellectual trap.
You revert back to that, say, somebody has make all this. That is the individual trap.
If you trained in religion first, then the intellectual trap is assuming god made all of this.
And if you behaved badly, they say that devil (?) into you. That is an intellectual trap.
You have the free will and kick the devil out of here.
There are people tended to grow on that section to get out he said the track
keep her off right now test
That is an intellectual trap. That means at his school if indeed he isn't sure if i A pretended like to attract that is an intellectual trap.
A habit, established habit, is an intellectual trap.
Yes. Staying up all is an alternative in the problem.
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Very difficultly. You can’t.. It's almost impossible
Because of a guy diet pluck a whole bunch electronic equipment sound cooking, everything.
And he knows something about electronics, sound equipment, erything.
he said my system isn't working, it’s all you can say.
But you can say it's a transistors capacitors, circuitry, he can’t say that. She doesn't know that.
places is not working to explain
there's a guy in terms of the violence doesn't go up he hooks inside
he sees it worked out to insisted he dealt with a look
but the average price of my car isn't working right
it tends to be until the last right chuck
those words that you'd like i was working on
he took a little volunteers has a right
he thinks in terms of time
the world's he enters a new strategy
but it doesn't happen
the average person unless they don't panic four times and that any stated that
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the to humanity it p humidity in the year
that carries the health care whatever changes
unless they know about transferring out
So you think totally insane even talk to people.
That’s why it's good to have to go through what you majoring
And the guy says conscious electronic.
And, what else you should he would be here? Human behaviour.
How much of human behavior have you worked with?
Well, i like Charles Gordon’s concepts of behaviour.
Or i like the (?), you know?
Then you know what areas of behaviour they are endoctrinated in. Or in which ways.
Can a guy be a mechanistic basically
I would say no because a mechanist listen a lot of people says,
but then put it to test and see if it works.
And if works, they are not victims of habituation.
Now, let me give you an example of a statement on
only and they can gentile impressions
When a person says my refrigerator doesn't work
well, they don’t know whether if it gets as cool as it should, as it turned off, they don’t know.
They are experts, as a guy that knows the anatomy of the refrigerator. You can talk to them.
But you can’t talk to a person that knows nothing about refrigerator.
A person that knows nothing, about to say, airplanes. They can't say what makes it stable.
He doesn't know what you said that he'd like to see. He doesn’t know what that means.
How much (?), how do you determine that.
In aeronautics indian army you're getting the message the economy
In automotive science you're shaking his love of the oakland hills.
And you have a person that says yes.
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if i can handle camera work
so if you have a table india water
do not try to climb hills
except affordability that's how to use a mechanism.
Don't try to do upside-down flying in a nonstop flight
has stopped playing shops the fuels products outside
lawyers for the whole plan
so stunt kite has a bypass mechanism
shuts up you'll when the temperature
but if you say the plane discipline to study
that means people took here
so when you talk about giving stuff
architecture structural, bridges, the way that the structures are arranged, even talk to people.
But if they said, what makes the bridge stand-up?
You say, have you got three days. No, i haven’t.
Then come back when you have more time.
Because there are many little things you can discuss.
But things are not subject to questions and answers.
In school, they say there is a question-and-answer period. We didn't talk about it.
But you really can't have questions and answers.
Even he did have kindly inform tech precious pal entitlement to health care what technology is.
And how technicians arrive at decisions today not arrival decisions outside their field, maybe not. You have to find that out.
An electronic expert doesn’t know how to check behaviiour.
he says don't feed on itself templates natural
the wrong assumptions, even though we don't electrons for agency
he can transfer that to another field.
So, questions and answers and really,
in the future about the what was your background
networking stuff
when you talk to the intern
there aren't going to change question
well even though i knew that
any questions
and i think you don't understand
patel questions but his statements
feeling all he's permitted to talk to spectacular
how of his vision
but don't communicate
guilty tells people without limitation like chico
do you understand what that means is not just saying his questions and answers
he can sit back
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there is because the cold usually in automobiles ordeal tell you what to do.
Without that columbia interaction the average person drives a car into the great until it breaks down. This is what they do.
They drive it until don't include cuts out.
Because they can afford to take a ten anna jarvis like that slight differencies. And always have the money.
So, the word democracy cannot be enough meta fist (?).
If you can afford to take a call in or your wife to the doctor what she had chronic headaches,
and take taper into an mri just over a thousand dollars,
to bucket last don't stuff your best buy guts on somebody.
He is fine roundabouts isn't review board you are poor.
So, the word democracy does not permit you to behave democratically.
Unless you have the purchasing power to do so.
So i don't understand what it's like freedom, democracy, individuality, because they're not telling me anything.
Something about the persons limitations is all things go they told me.
not what society believed purposes i believe in individual that way.
I don’t have to make a painting that makes sense to you as long it makes sense to me. That is not sharing ideas.
If you make a painting that makes can maintain that means a lot to you,
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All of that is projection. I can’t deal with that.
Because they will go go unpaid if you enjoy it. That make you feel good.
But don't come at me and said, with you frame my paintings in exhibitional.
Because the painting you do gives everybody a different value system, i can’t see the benefit of it.
If you tell that the world water means anything, that is a lost of communication.
It means subject to interpretation.
before he reached out to you doing contaminated uncontaminated water salt water, passages and water, that means something.
But if you just talk about water, in one-way, and everybody interpreted the wrong way, you have a divided civilization.
Why do we have if we have it in one way? We don't have that one way.
We have to have a verifiable way, not any one way. One way is god makes everything.
A verifiable way is whose principal below if you don't wanna will keep the soil
apiece and insects tracking down the, that is a verifiable way.
So language has to do with verifiability. That is why they can't communicate with anybody.
You only communicate with those people that are relevant. Conversant jk trying to be.
If your mother says a person that oppressions guilty, i knowing that i could see in this case.
Well, nobody is ever guilty of anything. They just have different methods that you have.
That is very hard to accept the person is a disturber of the present.
If i had a person that was a continuist which is dead to heaven, i might say and i actually have to leave.
I said this because i have to consider everybody there.
A disturbing senses says that this terrorist senses an organization i don’t mean by anything you said.
i believe i have free will know what to expect geographically i say, and i said you have to leave.
You're avoiding my question, no i’m not.
I have to consider, or i will consider the majority of the people.
I would let a person eleven percent or that this is sincere, but birthday using is getting but if i don't think is agreeing with you.
That is bringing up the oposition, as they say i don’t agree that you are building a stronger,
i don't believe that if you build it will be stronger if you're interested queue to get it
and how much they will show me reputable
But they say i don't agree with him at one twenty ish shall participation
So, participation means fundamental referential criticism.
People don't talk about the subject, they talk about their feelings, regarding to a subject.
Do you know how it is different?
I don't want to get around to be live in a round city.
But if i want to miss class today square city?
Well, they would say mentioned one of the benefits and how do you arrive at that.
That would be inquiry.
When you ask questions, you have to say tell what the question is.
Does it have a record tested question could mean anything
So, participatory democracy is ridiculous statement. It cannot be. You can’t participate in democracy.
But you define that term. What do you mean by that?
And you agree with participatory democracy? And i said yes i do.
And why don’t you take your car and go away from here? Unless you take into a budget? That would help to fix your car.
Or that chicken that raises out, they increased the chicken to the right person feeding
because the wrong person can participate
now when they talk about this participatory democracy question, how would you grow more food.
I want to participate, they don't know if the study agriculture and come back to the big time antwort
or try something, work at it.
I don't see anything detrimental on that, but if you do that when you talk to people.
hit television ministry question is
I have to, you seee? They don't even know that.
so he's a liar finishing up a new book on semantic they've gotten there yet that language is subject to an interpretation,
because if it is, and i fear it but you don't understand it says i want you to che had to give
So you have to live in the bases that enables you to make more appropriate decisions.
I would outposts the questions to Jacque and Roxanne right now.
Okay, thanks Shawn. First question. Do you have a transitional solution for technological unemployment
before a resource based economy can be attained?
Have you considered the importance of getting governments on board with such a transitional idea?
For example, decreasing working hours? Do you have a plan for a transitional government?
No, we only have a plan for transitional resource based economy.
Not within the system? Not within the system.
Jack Catran stated that you grew up around four or five other intellectuals as a young man.
What happened to these other men?
Did they ever become socially aware or help you towards the resource based economy direction?
To whatever extent they could, they are all now deceased. Yes.
Well, Jacque did it for several books, trying to introduce what he could, Jack Catran.
You surrounded yourself with some interesting individuals, like Catran,
why did they stop being part of Sociocyberneering and the resource based economy idea?
They never stopped, they worked at it all their lives. Yes, Jack Catran did.
The people that Jacque really spent a lot of time with when he was younger
are kids that he really introduced to science and aviation too. They all went into aviation, most, didn't they?
And they worked with you in building the Trend Home, didn’t they? Yes.
The first aluminum pre-fabricated home after WW2. Yes.
And weren't they going to go to, at one time, you asked them all to meet you in the motto,
That was South Pacific islands. Yes, and you thought a war was going to happen in there.
And as I remember you asked them all to meet you there, because after the war you wanted to start a new-direction society.
But you were the only one that showed up there, is that right?
Yes, that is true. They weren't able to carry that out, they didn't have the money to travel out there.
I see. In the collapse, do you think the government will use the army in the streets to keep their power,
or do you think the army will protect the public?
No, the army will protect the government, because that's the way they're brought up.
The army is to serve the interests of the establishment, not the majority of people.
As witnessed, the police spraying mace or some other object into people's eyes when they were not fighting back.
The police serve the interests of the establishment, not the public.
In the past, i read in an old newspaper advertisement on your website that you identified yourself as a behaviorist,
when attending public lectures back in the 1960/1970s.
Would you still identify yourself as a behaviorist today?
A behaviorist? I would say it's greatly modified today.
Yes, i believe environment shapes behavior,
but i'm interested in the specific aspects of the environment that shape particular kinds of behavior,
whether it be serial killers, gangsters, whatever people are, they're shaped by their sub-culture,
the culture they're exposed to,
and the conditions and they're exposed to.
How useful is evolutionary psychology? Do you think there's such a thing as "evolved behaviours,"
particularly in non-verbal animals?
I would say that that's a very difficult subject to the answer.
I can only say that animals behave with their limited receptors to whatever extent they're receptors tell them,
they're receptors are not sophisticated and that's why they're called primitive.
Human being is capable of a wide range of receptors or instruments to improve their ability to function,
such as microscopes which extend their sensitivity into realms that they themselves cannot perceive visually.
They can use instruments. And the instruments serve as extensional devices,
But human beings, without instruments, would be very primitive indeed.
Also in terms of "evolved behaviors", animals really react to their environment whatever receptors they have,
if it doesn't work well within their environment,
whether you call them evolved or whatever, what other, whatever
changed mechanisms or apparatus that they have,
if it doesn't work well in their environment they die out.
So "evolved" is kind of a strange word, evolved behaviours.
You have often said in the future the field of psychology will be replaced with behavioral science.
That means the study of the effects of environment upon behaviour.
To find the mechanisms that are the
primary mechanism responsible for certain types of behavior.
If you're brought up in a society where people have ten or fifteen wives that would be normal to your upbringing.
If you're brought up in a society where a person has one wife,
or if you're brought where religion dominates
that will affect the value system of that society.
So I'm a great believer in the effects of environment on human behaviour,
I don't think there's a republican gene or a democratic gene.
I think all of the genes deliver is the color of the eyes, the shape of the head, and the certain propensity, reflexes.
Yes, all that's controlled by genes, but values are learned.
The rest of this question is Isn't this very similar to behaviorism because behaviorism identifies the conditions which generate behavior?
If it does that, then I'm all for it.
Is it true that psychologists referred their patients/subjects
to you to work on?
Not all psychologists, some psychologists.
also didn't
When lawyers started coming to some of Jacque's lectures
in the nineteen sixties or seventies, wasn't it?
Then they brought judges
and then the judges,
there was one judge who worked with juveniles and instead of sending
them to juvenile home they would send them
to Jacque's lectures.
Yes, that's true.
In the book i've read,
a New York Times reporter attended your lectures in the 70's, he then went on to commit suicide,
is that because he could not handle this information, became depressed, etc.?
No. Some newspaper reporter came to a couple of my seminars
and he said, "What you say makes sense, if I can't get that out I'll kill myself.
I believe I can get that out;
I believe that what you say makes so much sense that people can be turned around."
Well, he was turned around, but he was unable to turn people around.
and he killed himself because he really believed that i had the answers to questions
and that all he had to do is write about it, and people would understand it. But it's not that simple.
right in there are other reasons why did that i couldn't imagine i'll be working
He was not well enough equipped to handle that problem.
Have you ever read B.F. Skinner's novel called 'Walden Two', and if so what are your thoughts on it?
It was insufficient because the methods
of building cities, the methods of dealing with problems
were are not sufficient, or sophisticated enough.
There's another book that Jack Catran
yet when it is our patrons one of the
guys that uh... one are not the book training here
that you tried to talk about resource based economy
wrote called 'Walden Three'
which was kind of chaotic but
had a lot of
references to Jacque's work and the
main character was taken after Jacque and talked about a city in the future.
I have heard that you have produced some books for publications for sociocyberneering
members back in the 1970's.
Would it be possible for you to make these freely available online
for us to read, please?
I would say that the book 'The Best That Money Can't Buy'
is an updated version
of those books.
Yes, it took some of that information in there and added more.
Is there anymore news on when
there may be new lecture audio material from the 1970's available
at your online store,
we've been waiting a little while for this?
We just got forty tapes from
Karl Geisler
who used to go to the lectures, you'll hear him with a german accent.
He found forty more tapes; so for the last several weeks we've been pulling them in.
Today, we're just
changing the tapes because several of them that broke.
We're working on those now,
we're pulling them into new cases and putting them into the computer. So we've pulled in about
forty hours, so that's the first step. We have to put it all into the
computer, but we are working on it.
I can't say when exactly we'll have it,
but maybe we'll make them into mp3s or something more accessible I'm not
sure.
Have you ever been tempted to change the system from within?
No, I never have been
tempted to change the system
from within.
I attempt to
inform people
as to the effects,
the prime factors of our society
and the harmful effects
of the free enterprise system.
I don't think there is a step
within this system to bring it
without problems into a resource based economy. There's no openings for that
within this system. It requires a different value system,
a different approach.
This system will forever
uphold this system until it just crashes
and the examples of that are all over.
Yes, all over the world not just America.
Please explain why socialism
is not a good transitional tool.
I never said it was not a good translation tool,
it's not the best, it's not updated.
Socialism was great
when it was designed,
but today we have much better systems,
much more effective
to enhance the lives of people in a much faster way
then the old-time socialist.
Socialism was concerned with the working class.
We're concerned with knowledge,
and who were concerned with
surpassing the need for work,
in other words,
we think machines could replace jobs that are monotonous and boring or
dangerous
that people think in terms of what to earn a living
in the future you don't need to think in terms of work
you'll be provided for
and you can study
anything you want to study in school.
So i would say that most jobs
will be phased out,
maturity um...
who'll be fatal
neglecting her abilities are
most of the early professions will be phased out.
Why didn't you take the opportunity to make money
and then change the world
with that money?
Because then they would say,
"Well, that guy's a son of a bitch!
He became a millionaire
and then now he talks against the system.
I don't trust him."
Actually, Jacque did work within the system
a lot when he was younger had many different inventions and ideas and
just because you have good ideas that are better than what's out there does
not mean it will take-on and make a lot of money with them.
There's a lot of tremendous inventors
that didn't get anywhere in the system for various reasons
but whatever money Jacque did make
we always turned it back into making more products and making
the research center and
perpetuating these ideas and introducing them others.
Why could you not turn your own brother to these ideas? Why did he go into acting
instead?
Because i wasn't skilled enough to reach him.
In those days, you know that we're talking about forty, fifty, sixty
years ago,
i was not able to reach him
i really tried
i could not reach him at the time
i was not as skilled. You were the younger brother too. How much older was him to you?
About five, six years older.
What's the relation between Jacque and Roxanne?
We've been living together and working for
since 1976.
Yes.
We relate
fairly well in most areas,
and i would say if that continues,
which it will.
And i'm glad that Roxanne has been an enormous help.
Without Roxanne, i don't think
we could have gotten our books published
or most of our films made.
She's very good at film production
and she's very good at
translating.
We pretty much worked on just about everything together
and mostly it was a learning process for me learning
how to make models. Jacque taught me how to do technical illustration
which transferred to
fine arts, taught me how to do model making and i learned on his designs which was really fascinating.
Then i help make a living with that to help support this project
and then i worked on them with everything else that i could help with.
When people ask if we're married i say, "We're as good as or better than married."
Looking backwards in time,
if you could change certain paths you made in life,
what are some of the things
that you would have done differently?
I can't answer that,
i don't know.
Is there anything you regret?
No, nothing, everything i learned
from all of my experiences
i've learned something useful.
In your lectures you questioned the role of emotions and machines, emotions
may be used in machines
for their algorithm
to process more
variants
in its
evolving
intelligence?
I would say
emotions
are the feelings you have about things.
It's what you do about it that counts.
If you feel that war is terrible
and you do nothing to try to put and end to it,
i would say it's useless.
We don't put emotions in machines because we don't know how.
No machines have
ambition.
No machines feel good.
They just produce a lot of goods and services
and they have no feelings
nor are they concerned
whether they produce cannons, submarines, bombers,
or respiratory systems.
The machines has no feelings
and the machines cannot have feelings,
they don't even know how to put feelings into the machines.
Although you can make the machine
that would verbalize as though it had feelings, it would be like a movie actor
acting the part but it really don't feel.
We don't really want
machines to have emotions, we want them to take on action pattern.
We don't want people sitting there emoting
and being emotional
without doing something about it.
Jacque, have you ever read
Jack Catran's book 'Is They're Intelligent Life on Earth?'
Yes i have.
I think it's sort of a round-about way of talking about things,
i would be more direct than Catran would.
Catran always kept up,
he spoke with Jacque quite regularly and always sent Jacque
his new books and things.
How do you increase interest toward life,
towards some activity, towards learning and researching?
Well, you have to understand the person you're working with.
Then you have to
design the system
so it fits their background.
You have a design the approach to that person based on their background.
This person might be talking about himself or herself,
i don't know if it's
within oneself.
What age do you hope to live to?
I don't think about that.
I just go on living.
I may die tomorrow, but I don't know.
I don't concern myself with that.
This questions, how do you justify the fancy sprinkler in the water?
i think this person might be talking about the,
this is the only place i can think of a fancy sprinkler,
one of the house computer rendering drawings,
there's a jet of water in the front of the house?
Oh, that will be a filtering system.
Some filtering now found water filters
there are no fountains for just luxury or to amuse people.
Everything in the future will have a function.
So, if you see a waterfall, it's part of the water treatment plant.
help fish on there too, yes,
the water, yes
Have you ever turned around a fundamentalist Christian and how?
Well, first of all, I approached them with the Bible.
By approaching them with the Bible it says in the Bible,
at least the ten commandments, "Thou shall not kill.
You shall not judge other people otherwise you will be judged,"
and i point out all the statements
of the Ten Commandments and how far we've come from it.
When we get mad at another country,
we bomb the hell out of them,
and we kill and we all join in that.
And the churches bless the armies and they bless war tanks.
Particularly the Catholic Church sprinkles holy water on the war tanks,
and the Catholics in Italy bless the war tanks fighting Americans,
and the Catholics in America bless the war tanks in America.
I would say that the church seems to conform
to social institutions
if they did not conform they would be poorly attended,
and the church do not conform
is not advocated as a method of social deliverance.
And what method do you used to turn around fundamentalists?
The Bible itself. Show them that it's almost impossible to live
according to the teachings of Christ in the monetary system.
Ok, so in the monetary system, I had my finger off it for a minute
And the fat man on the left book, he said
in love grandma pins
we actually never read the fat man on the left book
when they is a tremendous researcher
worden shocks
wiki page and he found that
but anyway it said your love grandma pins this is true i have no i can't help
i have read about them
and i'm starting to do with me
yet i think that we have the grandmother recipients
we are not going
do you think the government banks will forgive the debt
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okay i guess that's it for now
thank you very
too much for the opportunity to express steve's
you know we appreciate your questions and really good
next week if all goes well we will talk to you then thanks everyone pre-trial
thank you all doing a yes banks the gamut from on my hand for
for everything everybody else is doing tremendous help
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