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Today is 13 May, Sunday, 2012, Jacque Fresco Seminar

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This discussion is about questions and answers.

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Sometimes a person asks a question, and i feel that they know very little about.

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In other words, if a person is enough familiar with electronics at all, says what if a machine breaks out,

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an electronics person doesn't know what is he talking about.

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Is it the transistors? are capacitors? circuit? welding?

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when you're not talking with specifics, you're not communicating.

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When a person says to me you can't protect the behaviour of people

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telling me that they don't know behave of people, and this is a subject that i can't do anything well.

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And let's say you do about people that insist that they're right?

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In other words, that is a specific question. A specific question as: how do you arrive in your decision?

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and why is your decision any better than any other decision?

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Now, a person that answers that question may or may not understanding the answer.

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The assumption that people understands the answer you give them, is an assumption and a projection.

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So, in order to check out, if you have the time and few people, you would say what do you say i mean by that?

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come over something that attention

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So, people work automobile say automobile engineers, not mechanics.

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Mechanics are a little different than engineers Engineers understands the efficiency ratios of the parts.

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How much long you get per gallon, how few how fuel and the technician understands of all parts of the car.

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It will say automobiles are unsafe, with conviction.

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That doesn't tell you have make him safer. And doesn't tell you anything

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Unless you say, if you make a break, Something that you can use.

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Another unanswerable question is: how can you control the population?

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You can't control the population, it goes on and multiply.

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The question is how do you can control the population.

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Now, you can't control population, right on, and, does not give you alternatives.

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When a person says you can't make airplanes absolutely safe.

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Well, what the hell that tells you? nothing. Except that persons limited hability to participate.

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A man would say if you made airplanes safer, that wouldn't say anything that you can use,

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so you have to discredit that, government has been corrupt even since begin,

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that doesn't tell you how to make them uncorrupt.

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So you tell that person that they have nothing to offer, unless you show a method to make a government work.

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Unless you say, i would like to know what your view is on this,

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have a problem comes up and they say what is your view on automobile safety,

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i said you know anything about automobiles. mechanisms of what are they for,

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and you can talk about the anatomy of the automobile.

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If you don't know anything about the human body, you can't talk about anatomy.

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sick people did say that we don't always go live collapsed something that you can do anything with it

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if you say the soil is exhausted the plan so i'm going you've offered nothing retain sadness food

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grounded in the florida coast the accident which is full

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if the plans consumer it needs water not just nutrient arkansas

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so what is the conveyor of the substitute plan previously

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we already have topshop what any suggestion that flash to that person

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caterpillar ahead of time what do you suggest

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well i don't know that shut up the industry in a timely manner do you think

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people can dance questions unless they know thirty-eight happening as such he got that is the same thing

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which you said that he wanted to have planned for what reason automobile move usually

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many different things fueled conducted changes so that wheeled transmission what we want no specific

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many things involved in the movement of a car

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refuge a huge everyday human beings to all come from different environments

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and in many different and you can't baseball react the same way attitude

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accepted persons limitations potential well a lot of people that are committed to talk to you today

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in the future they won't be now would you be coming to a medical conference

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negative about the jungle you think this concept that this matter

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what do you think about it interviewed justin outside mama oppression

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they don't say what do you think so i don't have a confirmation that the people

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and then there are no conference and a lot of people

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so it kind of question is a year are related to the flying machine only

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located discussion other airport safety than we h ave fha people here at work is done

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and you say well it's a matter of the runway well and the rest of the plane

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lands around lake cracks ellipses standard recommendations thinkers

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and reinforcement of ground why do you need me barcelona where they were great hotwire

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so the concrete crack it doesn't change elevation if you have wires and there

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hickey says the same location even though it's cracked

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if you're not equipped to understand the engine he can ask questions

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who organizes in electronic could fail to path participation but often dot

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sometimes i would not engage impression if i feel that i'm not talking about the subject

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they say you can't predicted predate human behavior

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it could get him to have contributed to tell us to

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giving a different view

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let me know only ten stories high

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the senate floor

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why do you want to do that

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to talk about studying

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division

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you can make more than he was absolutely
sick

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what do you feel a limitation

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well the drive may be distracted ponnu
one patient in

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affection

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the distraction of dieting

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it is a cell phone

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and that diving into a p

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and the kids are fighting in the bag
does the distractions

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to anyone caught up in cincinnati to
distraction

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how did you do that right now

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and he said

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all you want soldiers who do is operated
sheena

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a twenty-one

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york could talk discuss philosophy

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on the trenches

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because discussed

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portrayed as they get somebody else

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but that would be relevant to the war

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what they do say blindfolded assaulted
needs to take its gonna pipeline for the

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cutest even

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and he has to assembly blindfolded

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candy case you don't have a lawyer in
the country

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the machine gun jams

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and want to know how the undo the gem

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but if you talk about velocity

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and the history of guns

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that does not undo the gem

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let you go

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very familiar with the taking the time

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the machine everynight conferences

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are all the characteristics

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of different hair

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they try to follow that your government
during the war

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because they show

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that they can't make it turn

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has faeces american friends can

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therefore take advantage

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of that uncertainty

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of the internet

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when the german pilot lands on an
american irish

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has surrendered sierra lane

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they take it up

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to study extern characteristics

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had to write a report

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on what they can do and one of the cases

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that gives you a veteran pilot

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detainee of knowing the rate of crime of that era

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you don't know that and you just want to rely on your own ability

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killer had predicted a dire report although both forms of the andrea

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protesters leek and potato

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until you can't refrain

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courses you must have to fight

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so you offer a foreign power

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fifty thousand dollars

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whose defiance in cash

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he do it every after

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to get them to make

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they say you can get it can happen

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that doesn't anything one of the method of getting internet

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people come up with ideas

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whether or i don't know and a good detective work he is

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if the passenger's sentence dot

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so remember this is is that they have hidden

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people will talk about all kinds of things

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but not when their cooperation be taken to the book

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on the air conditioning breaks down they could take you to enter conditioning

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mechanic you can go to the bank

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he could say well i don't know

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check the inquiry downplayed he doesn't know

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so everybody likes to feel comp

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everybody likes to feel

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they want to participate the question is

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the only way to participate anything

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is offering any tangible referential
prescription

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if you believe

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they're all things are affected by other
things

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means that humanity if there's a
predictable

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if you believe that day digi
conditioning chafee cake

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if you think it's a belong

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he can't take that

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the leader in human behavior is immoral

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you can't predict

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who the hell no

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working in a wonderful he's going to be

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of the candidate that you can think but
if you believe that he was fascinated

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because it is

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well they think

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that's alright as long as you know what
works

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henrietta

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impression jessica less

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in the city appreicate if they have

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well division is not good addresses too
low

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in louisville

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you have to have swine flu

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even take guests

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but that's not likely move it

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if you believe in human behavior

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the state of corn which congressional
floors reinforced

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he says people will do anything

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if you really important

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if you want to know

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config truthfully

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i think the cadets who treat you said
that was very nice of you to do that

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and you trade what would you like to do
is it that you're going to go in america

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can be taken longer reinforcement

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alaina does

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you will get back to work every day

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if you say that we give negative
reinforcing to certain behavior

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and will stop at a caveat only when
you're a but when you're not there

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okay maybe have another conversion

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the swimming pool

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if you're not there

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some of the impression

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they said they'd leave a certain way

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only when you're up liberty jewish uh...
classroom

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salon relational

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the keys to that

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everybody's scientific

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because they're not read more

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talking

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when teachers

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diamonds is eh... just shot down two

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or three german car

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the captain says

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what method did you use

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because i want to talk to the new i was

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but the method you used

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out of the information

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got

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develop the era really know how to find
out that you really have a

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that has to take

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although it's not sincere never
outmaneuver the unique you gotta be

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given to the punch

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sound into the attic

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had taken his

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outpacing the ability to defy conference

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toddlers okay

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how to save lives here

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he let go yet myself singer

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if you don't know all those things

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it's hard to communicate and the president

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you didn't answer my question it would be you didn't answer my question in terms i didn't understand

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because you don't know that unit mike and he said electronic gravestones

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the guy in the field of electronics really investigating

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they say the capacitor

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overwhelmed brooke undecided copper wire

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going into pretentious

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here's a guy who had a look

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but he does not let let me just say eight broke down

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internal dot net it hurts

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he knows that he has restate my uni kaha me

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on the bottom attorney he's got a little more who work for

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hearsay if for example over

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what's permissible

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he can do it

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john and i think that we could do anything with

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his the happier if he had the option b

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handled case had conducted

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a liability is eating food

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introduce our guest

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or emotional stress

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he's going to hang up

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someone usually michael continues the all day long

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i can't stop laughing

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he might take out his hand doesn't like that

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and compare it to other doctors

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he can't do that

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except unfair the every question

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does not compare mechanical systems

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nor can they talk about kisses on the city's if you say

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many people requiring different kinds of cities

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and different kinds of house

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now if they do if anybody would like to go on their own car individual cough for

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everybody

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it will cost a million dollars apiece

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if you make donaldson sample

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a hundred shed a tear look-alike

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much cheaper he understand them

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tomas carnage

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most forward volkswagens rather than a look-alike

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who make each one different there would be out of the range because

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do you allow for individuality in that society

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idiotic individually to meet means

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differences in delhi

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by different aspects of the culture

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we can afford all kinds of individuals

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guy i want to listen

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three creases

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less individual latitude obscene
individual

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on the same as into the individually is
when

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p was a right now and then to excess

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feel the

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boston individuals

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but that this doesn't do anything for
the people

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convincing them of that do they want to
know what do you think this type it

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florida state is no different than the

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than existing

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i can't deal with

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in fact not device agencies that nothing
thing

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and what does it contribute

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contributes to the well being of people
they feel good energy

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is an important

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well if they want to see a bull flag
they feel good

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watching the bulls

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feel good about the ultimate answer

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it's a collective utility area

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and i would go

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what will benefit people marsh

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to melancholic basic things how they
work on special alert

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however the oh so they disconnected

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i would agree to the environment

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husain as part of nature without food being constructed life discrimination

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at the class of two thousand years he will die kathy sanctions won't make it

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cushy cushion

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that we depend on ninety jim

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lightning finishes at nineteen feet in the soil

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it makes it available blanche

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deceptive practice writing now latvian current

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meant by should be cut

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mock looked like he is not their model

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five matches

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you could tell by valued would be electricity would flow only in the ground bonafide

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would go to the atmosphere tree

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a little girl on the bicycle

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and that means it wasn't designed for her

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i swear to the provision when basic give us a change in season

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we need to change or people in this topic here apparently type to the board

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they would know what you're talking about. And they say it was a way before to

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If you give us a change in season, the average person not mean

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i'm meteorologist resistant to weather

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personal questions are asked.

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But there are other kids that would love until our case it would love to participate

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so they'll say part of it has a lot of evidence in that city?

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They are looking for participation

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If you say the water supply has not yet been all the houses

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can you make it even shut the whole he'd get whatever they want to know.

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But you can say what if i behind our lives

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that helps keep bringing up anarchy argument, the recognition of participation

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So, a real participation is a how would you acclimate people to just assign?

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if they were will grow to believe in individual housing?

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You can't do that, unless you now to tell where people get their values from.

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If you live in the icu work touched on it, or week long, those become normal to you.

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And if you said oh i i one of the legal your predecessor president bringing up contradiction, or no other reason than participating.

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Do you understand that?

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What is real participation when the brain cell what we do? Gee, you crash.

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who can you make brakes less apt to fail? No, i’m sure you not.

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playlists atrophic

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So, your assumption reception argumentative questions questions

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Is it this is an assumption

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Unless you ask what you think i mean?

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And they come up with some intermediate

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say, apparently i was unable to answer

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or they don't have the background to understand what went wrong with the electronics.

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if you tell them kidney purposefully not working properly

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cliches old potato colony

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an orthodox and if you have to get the book handbook of the for me

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and uh... of the anatomy opted to go and how they work what they do

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to the organs were going on today control by abortion

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all of a study of motions and the effect on mortgage

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which is another string celtic

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psychology opulence

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this is an always the failure of the kidney

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he could be a failure

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of love of life for you

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if your whole family is killed one of the election

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it may not want to live a day

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they call at the will to die

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that should be deleted will death

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i know it seems strange that they go to bed at night

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and they don't feel alive

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they don't sleep well

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they've been see other people

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for their life has been cut what they called

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if people live in a world where everybody friendly

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everybody's concerned about you will be would you

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culture friend dollars you've got left alone

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home either pay the rent obligated eat

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upheaval liberal old today

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and i would say that if everybody tried to work

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to enhance a lot of everybody else

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you would be desperate when somebody dies give him a television boy drea

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jennings thank you

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how do you know what i mean by answering questions you can't let the patient

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isn't that discipline represent

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to human eighty keeps changing that's why you can't dictate what people do

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say he's telling you

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that he hasn't already method of predicting behavior

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now you know what to do lane jobs

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they have good communication if they do

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wanted the loop with the ruling does too big of the loop

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to me is that brown development correctly may do that at the end of the way

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the pilot the main guy has a lobbyist uh

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prenatal are trained to follow the puck

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the pilot makes it harder on his decision that you know

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thank you for allowing us to collect it worked out alright he kicked ass

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because as all the way people have not knowing things

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is that the x_-ray in the field knows more about it that you do it's true

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their refrigerators engineer

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might be able to make use his radio worked well

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but he knows more about it that the breakdown

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killing you call upon expiry

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they're not always accurate

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but they're more likely that you are

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and that's all we go away

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half of the largest tells me

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we expect a very stormy winter

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he has more methods of the arriving at that prediction couldn't be long yet

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but cardio many times munition

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so we go quiet diameters

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the best place to catch fish

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this bureau grief

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how long you've been fishing sixty five years

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how many fish he caught four thousand toms

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you've been listening to him

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at the time they still had cooled to a great day

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will he be could he be long yes he could

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but now they want to hear trish

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as this is a perfect now

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the worker who cares about me

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and leaders of the operation that city

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for the benefit of all people in that city all the time

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pierce's novel productions

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if you could recommend a method to make it more substantial

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recommend that night

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do you understand that communication

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there is no communication

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with people so not schooled in in that

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so if you have to do it he can

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that discipline first

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that'd be eight is not their own

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that shaped by culture

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giving him vision

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do that first

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and then go off an engineer and you're better off.

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They believe that every president in individual and individuality is within the parish

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If you can't disprove that deducted mistake

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because he can take it anywhere.

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if you believe yesterday did you see dust to dawn placing thank you

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the guy told me she says no then testability

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He gave me for me

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But if you think that those same goal of a case that feed it fresh food data dog likes

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at a time again comes over two daughters left us

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who died in say wooden shack, less apt to snap

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If people are exceptional for one

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bus and i love you i need you i want to you need or need anything in the world

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if they don't need any way they can't just have a conference in the other person.

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If the person has confidence in another person

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you really can't do that as you know more about the subject of the other person.

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The (?) conference in the laptop into the pilot flying a plane, and i can fly as well as him,

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I’ve flown with him a lot, and he gets me down.

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That is all i have come the fact that he got me there.

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Is it a confident fizzy accompanying pilot? I don't know under what condition she's confident

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and under other conditions he is not.

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I think i told some of you here about the has a lot of people

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it wouldn't have time

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and the pilot said he (?) smoke, and went back to me if i don't want he doesn fire on the floor, they up the tea.

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Obviously, they don't understand the significance of that to people that do that.

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But they always understand that fire he see,

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for making the final flaw they did not able to understand that.

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I’m sure they did make a plan yes they do that but i wanted to be

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I don’t think they did.

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security to mac copulating may define india eked t

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Are they dumb? No. They don’t understand to the relationship of fire to the inside the airplane.

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specially at high altitude, where they have air circulating and limited oxygen.

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If you open a window at an airplane, all the air will be sucked out.

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And some people would say i would like a little ventilation.

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If the windows were open global could be a lot of dead people requested

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And you wouldn’t know why.

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Unless they know i must say how much what would that work unchanged that broken parts.

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How do you know this? When the plane crashes, the FHA takes you to know hanger

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lays out the windows and the door of the land here, and they look at everything.

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there was an air pressure problem, profusely diploma windows blown out,

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and they know what love for.

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FHA are they perfect? No. But you know better what to look for than the average person.

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So, when the FHA says, they do a list of probable cause of that crash.

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Now, if you say the man assassinated another person, because he was brought up in Italy,

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or the value system that differences that with people who don’t assassinate people that they disagree with.

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But if a person’s condition to beat up on another guy,

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that looks as tended to his wife sexually, is he bad, or is he a victim of the culture? That is what i mean.

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So, if you get mad at somebody, it means you really don’t understand this subject.

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So if a guy says “you want to fight?”

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He believes that beat you in a fight is right.

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He may be better at fighting than you are, but it doesn’t make him right.

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Normal, all of the normal people believe that a guy who is better in fighting is right.

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Right is might (?). You heard that shit.

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And so, if you are right, you get the shit to get outer here.

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So, if they say, why wouldn’t you explain your ideas to a lot of people, and see how they feel about it?

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If you explain, if you have an atheist lecture to a group of catholics, they could revoke him out.

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If you lose a debate, say you are in a debating team, and there is a debate.

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The guys like the guy that wanted to pay. Does it mean he is right? No.

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It just meant that the people are listening to, or is familiar with that point of view, or under another point of view.

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So if you win a debate it doesn’t mean you’re right.

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If say god may all listen and can come about in another way. Most people will shake their heads.

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That doesn’t make him right.

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So, when you get into a debate, you don’t enter to win.

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You enter to see how many people you can primarily affect in the discussion.

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And if you are “poopooed”, you know what it mean? It says, that guy is falling into shit.

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And you will walk out, that means you would have no relevant approaches to those people.

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Do you understand the questions and the answers? There are no answers.

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Answer is, can we answer this question?

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What makes war, like this one answer, this is the answer.

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It is a whole study of kingdoms and habits of thought,

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and this nation is different to the other nation,

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and believes their way is the right way, so they try too kill the other nation.

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Are they bad? No. Are they murderers? No.

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They are victims of a different culture.

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So, if you can’t get to people, instead of saying they are dumb,

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and that you don’t have the time to build the referential language,

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or they don't have the background to understand you. That is possible.

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I wanted you to get that (?), so you don’t waste your time.

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I don’t talk to people that raises questions like you can't predict your own behavior. I can’t do anything with that.

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You mentioned if you want to go over intellectual traps.

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Intellectual traps is the habits. You picked up a habit as an intellectual trap.

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You revert back to that, say, somebody has make all this. That is the individual trap.

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If you trained in religion first, then the intellectual trap is assuming god made all of this.

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And if you behaved badly, they say that devil (?) into you. That is an intellectual trap.

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You have the free will and kick the devil out of here.

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There are people tended to grow on that section to get out he said the track

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keep her off right now test

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That is an intellectual trap. That means at his school if indeed he isn't sure if i A pretended like to attract that is an intellectual trap.

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A habit, established habit, is an intellectual trap.

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Yes. Staying up all is an alternative in the problem.

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review

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Very difficultly. You can’t.. It's almost impossible

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Because of a guy diet pluck a whole bunch electronic equipment sound cooking, everything.

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And he knows something about electronics, sound equipment, erything.

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he said my system isn't working, it’s all you can say.

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But you can say it's a transistors capacitors, circuitry, he can’t say that. She doesn't know that.

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places is not working to explain

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there's a guy in terms of the violence doesn't go up he hooks inside

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he sees it worked out to insisted he dealt with a look

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but the average price of my car isn't working right

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it tends to be until the last right chuck

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those words that you'd like i was working on

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he took a little volunteers has a right

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he thinks in terms of time

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the world's he enters a new strategy

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but it doesn't happen

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the average person unless they don't panic four times and that any stated that

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committed by pediatrician lifetime chump change here

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only active you know per person can

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no if she had oppression can't know

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the to humanity it p humidity in the year

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that carries the health care whatever changes

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unless they know about transferring out

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So you think totally insane even talk to people.

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That’s why it's good to have to go through what you majoring

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And the guy says conscious electronic.

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And, what else you should he would be here? Human behaviour.

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How much of human behavior have you worked with?

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Well, i like Charles Gordon’s concepts of behaviour.

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Or i like the (?), you know?

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Then you know what areas of behaviour they are endoctrinated in. Or in which ways.

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Can a guy be a mechanistic basically

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I would say no because a mechanist listen a lot of people says,

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but then put it to test and see if it works.

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And if works, they are not victims of habituation.

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Now, let me give you an example of a statement on

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only and they can gentile impressions

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When a person says my refrigerator doesn't work

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well, they don’t know whether if it gets as cool as it should, as it turned off, they don’t know.

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They are experts, as a guy that knows the anatomy of the refrigerator. You can talk to them.

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But you can’t talk to a person that knows nothing about refrigerator.

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A person that knows nothing, about to say, airplanes. They can't say what makes it stable.

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He doesn't know what you said that he'd like to see. He doesn’t know what that means.

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How much (?), how do you determine that.

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In aeronautics indian army you're getting the message the economy

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In automotive science you're shaking his love of the oakland hills.

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And you have a person that says yes.

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can't find a health forty five degrees too much

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if i can handle camera work

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so if you have a table india water

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do not try to climb hills

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except affordability that's how to use a mechanism.

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Don't try to do upside-down flying in a nonstop flight

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has stopped playing shops the fuels products outside

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lawyers for the whole plan

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so stunt kite has a bypass mechanism

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shuts up you'll when the temperature

00:33:15.014 --> 00:33:18.032
but if you say the plane discipline to study

00:33:18.032 --> 00:33:21.058
that means people took here

00:33:21.058 --> 00:33:23.049
so when you talk about giving stuff

00:33:23.049 --> 00:33:29.693
architecture structural, bridges, the way that the structures are arranged, even talk to people.

00:33:29.693 --> 00:33:32.741
But if they said, what makes the bridge stand-up?

00:33:32.741 --> 00:33:36.080
You say, have you got three days. No, i haven’t.

00:33:36.080 --> 00:33:38.652
Then come back when you have more time.

00:33:38.652 --> 00:33:42.159
Because there are many little things you can discuss.

00:33:42.159 --> 00:33:46.123
But things are not subject to questions and answers.

00:33:46.123 --> 00:33:51.035
In school, they say there is a question-and-answer period. We didn't talk about it.

00:33:51.035 --> 00:33:54.044
But you really can't have questions and answers.

00:33:54.044 --> 00:33:59.155
Even he did have kindly inform tech precious pal entitlement to health care what technology is.

00:33:59.155 --> 00:34:09.057
And how technicians arrive at decisions today not arrival decisions outside their field, maybe not. You have to find that out.

00:34:09.057 --> 00:34:13.526
An electronic expert doesn’t know how to check behaviiour.

00:34:13.526 --> 00:34:18.042
he says don't feed on itself templates natural

00:34:18.042 --> 00:34:23.243
the wrong assumptions, even though we don't electrons for agency

00:34:23.243 --> 00:34:26.251
he can transfer that to another field.

00:34:26.251 --> 00:34:29.006
So, questions and answers and really,

00:34:29.006 --> 00:34:32.097
in the future about the what was your background

00:34:32.097 --> 00:34:34.014
networking stuff

00:34:34.014 --> 00:34:37.067
when you talk to the intern

00:34:37.067 --> 00:34:40.081
there aren't going to change question

00:34:40.081 --> 00:34:42.064
well even though i knew that

00:34:42.064 --> 00:34:43.087
any questions

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and i think you don't understand

00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.052
patel questions but his statements

00:34:49.052 --> 00:34:53.015
feeling all he's permitted to talk to spectacular

00:34:53.015 --> 00:34:56.069
how of his vision

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but don't communicate

00:34:58.054 --> 00:35:02.070
guilty tells people without limitation like chico

00:35:02.070 --> 00:35:06.096
do you understand what that means is not just saying his questions and answers

00:35:06.096 --> 00:35:08.055
he can sit back

00:35:08.055 --> 00:35:10.073
hinting to electronic

00:35:10.073 --> 00:35:16.410
uneven teeth about two characteristics of technology, how one point six with another,

00:35:16.410 --> 00:35:21.069
there is because the cold usually in automobiles ordeal tell you what to do.

00:35:21.069 --> 00:35:26.090
Without that columbia interaction the average person drives a car into the great until it breaks down. This is what they do.

00:35:26.090 --> 00:35:28.717
They drive it until don't include cuts out.

00:35:28.717 --> 00:35:34.102
Because they can afford to take a ten anna jarvis like that slight differencies. And always have the money.

00:35:34.102 --> 00:35:38.054
So, the word democracy cannot be enough meta fist (?).

00:35:38.054 --> 00:35:45.048
If you can afford to take a call in or your wife to the doctor what she had chronic headaches,

00:35:45.048 --> 00:35:48.030
and take taper into an mri just over a thousand dollars,

00:35:48.030 --> 00:35:52.611
to bucket last don't stuff your best buy guts on somebody.

00:35:52.611 --> 00:35:55.715
He is fine roundabouts isn't review board you are poor.

00:35:55.715 --> 00:36:00.604
So, the word democracy does not permit you to behave democratically.

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Unless you have the purchasing power to do so.

00:36:03.019 --> 00:36:10.765
So i don't understand what it's like freedom, democracy, individuality, because they're not telling me anything.

00:36:10.765 --> 00:36:14.864
Something about the persons limitations is all things go they told me.

00:36:14.864 --> 00:36:17.355
not what society believed purposes i believe in individual that way.

00:36:17.355 --> 00:36:24.268
I don’t have to make a painting that makes sense to you as long it makes sense to me. That is not sharing ideas.

00:36:24.268 --> 00:36:26.026
If you make a painting that makes can maintain that means a lot to you,

00:36:26.026 --> 00:36:32.263
lover flashes cabrini yellow crossing he's just read

00:36:32.263 --> 00:36:35.591
All of that is projection. I can’t deal with that.

00:36:35.591 --> 00:36:40.028
Because they will go go unpaid if you enjoy it. That make you feel good.

00:36:40.028 --> 00:36:45.815
But don't come at me and said, with you frame my paintings in exhibitional.

00:36:45.815 --> 00:36:52.949
Because the painting you do gives everybody a different value system, i can’t see the benefit of it.

00:36:52.949 --> 00:36:58.845
If you tell that the world water means anything, that is a lost of communication.

00:36:58.845 --> 00:37:01.024
It means subject to interpretation.

00:37:01.024 --> 00:37:10.989
before he reached out to you doing contaminated uncontaminated water salt water, passages and water, that means something.

00:37:10.989 --> 00:37:18.699
But if you just talk about water, in one-way, and everybody interpreted the wrong way, you have a divided civilization.

00:37:18.699 --> 00:37:22.030
Why do we have if we have it in one way? We don't have that one way.

00:37:22.030 --> 00:37:31.031
We have to have a verifiable way, not any one way. One way is god makes everything.

00:37:31.044 --> 00:37:35.070
A verifiable way is whose principal below if you don't wanna will keep the soil

00:37:35.070 --> 00:37:40.067
apiece and insects tracking down the, that is a verifiable way.

00:37:40.067 --> 00:37:47.154
So language has to do with verifiability. That is why they can't communicate with anybody.

00:37:47.154 --> 00:37:53.127
You only communicate with those people that are relevant. Conversant jk trying to be.

00:37:53.127 --> 00:38:00.107
If your mother says a person that oppressions guilty, i knowing that i could see in this case.

00:38:00.107 --> 00:38:05.194
Well, nobody is ever guilty of anything. They just have different methods that you have.

00:38:05.194 --> 00:38:10.159
That is very hard to accept the person is a disturber of the present.

00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:15.307
If i had a person that was a continuist which is dead to heaven, i might say and i actually have to leave.

00:38:15.307 --> 00:38:19.815
I said this because i have to consider everybody there.

00:38:19.815 --> 00:38:22.625
A disturbing senses says that this terrorist senses an organization i don’t mean by anything you said.

00:38:22.625 --> 00:38:27.130
i believe i have free will know what to expect geographically i say, and i said you have to leave.

00:38:27.130 --> 00:38:30.027
You're avoiding my question, no i’m not.

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I have to consider, or i will consider the majority of the people.

00:38:34.035 --> 00:38:40.875
I would let a person eleven percent or that this is sincere, but birthday using is getting but if i don't think is agreeing with you.

00:38:40.875 --> 00:38:44.015
That is bringing up the oposition, as they say i don’t agree that you are building a stronger,

00:38:44.015 --> 00:38:49.226
i don't believe that if you build it will be stronger if you're interested queue to get it

00:38:49.226 --> 00:38:52.653
and how much they will show me reputable

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But they say i don't agree with him at one twenty ish shall participation

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So, participation means fundamental referential criticism.

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People don't talk about the subject, they talk about their feelings, regarding to a subject.

00:39:07.739 --> 00:39:09.049
Do you know how it is different?

00:39:09.049 --> 00:39:11.096
I don't want to get around to be live in a round city.

00:39:11.096 --> 00:39:14.073
But if i want to miss class today square city?

00:39:14.073 --> 00:39:18.073
Well, they would say mentioned one of the benefits and how do you arrive at that.

00:39:18.073 --> 00:39:20.044
That would be inquiry.

00:39:20.044 --> 00:39:24.225
When you ask questions, you have to say tell what the question is.

00:39:24.225 --> 00:39:29.167
Does it have a record tested question could mean anything

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So, participatory democracy is ridiculous statement. It cannot be. You can’t participate in democracy.

00:39:37.263 --> 00:39:40.916
But you define that term. What do you mean by that?

00:39:40.916 --> 00:39:45.551
And you agree with participatory democracy? And i said yes i do.

00:39:45.551 --> 00:39:51.295
And why don’t you take your car and go away from here? Unless you take into a budget? That would help to fix your car.

00:39:51.295 --> 00:39:56.044
Or that chicken that raises out, they increased the chicken to the right person feeding

00:39:56.044 --> 00:39:58.596
because the wrong person can participate

00:39:58.596 --> 00:40:04.192
now when they talk about this participatory democracy question, how would you grow more food.

00:40:04.192 --> 00:40:11.067
I want to participate, they don't know if the study agriculture and come back to the big time antwort

00:40:11.067 --> 00:40:13.426
or try something, work at it.

00:40:13.426 --> 00:40:19.196
I don't see anything detrimental on that, but if you do that when you talk to people.

00:40:19.196 --> 00:40:22.835
hit television ministry question is

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I have to, you seee? They don't even know that.

00:40:26.167 --> 00:40:35.077
so he's a liar finishing up a new book on semantic they've gotten there yet that language is subject to an interpretation,

00:40:35.077 --> 00:40:40.066
because if it is, and i fear it but you don't understand it says i want you to che had to give

00:40:40.066 --> 00:40:47.718
So you have to live in the bases that enables you to make more appropriate decisions.

00:40:47.718 --> 00:40:53.942
I would outposts the questions to Jacque and Roxanne right now.

00:40:53.942 --> 00:40:59.055
Okay, thanks Shawn. First question. Do you have a transitional solution for technological unemployment

00:40:59.055 --> 00:41:02.795
before a resource based economy can be attained?

00:41:02.795 --> 00:41:09.004
Have you considered the importance of getting governments on board with such a transitional idea?

00:41:09.004 --> 00:41:14.809
For example, decreasing working hours? Do you have a plan for a transitional government?

00:41:14.809 --> 00:41:21.081
No, we only have a plan for transitional resource based economy.

00:41:21.081 --> 00:41:25.068
Not within the system? Not within the system.

00:41:25.068 --> 00:41:32.226
Jack Catran stated that you grew up around four or five other intellectuals as a young man.

00:41:32.226 --> 00:41:35.837
What happened to these other men?

00:41:35.837 --> 00:41:42.713
Did they ever become socially aware or help you towards the resource based economy direction?

00:41:42.713 --> 00:41:51.158
To whatever extent they could, they are all now deceased. Yes.

00:41:51.158 --> 00:41:57.722
Well, Jacque did it for several books, trying to introduce what he could, Jack Catran.

00:41:57.722 --> 00:42:02.017
You surrounded yourself with some interesting individuals, like Catran,

00:42:02.017 --> 00:42:07.528
why did they stop being part of Sociocyberneering and the resource based economy idea?

00:42:07.528 --> 00:42:12.984
They never stopped, they worked at it all their lives. Yes, Jack Catran did.

00:42:12.984 --> 00:42:17.843
The people that Jacque really spent a lot of time with when he was younger

00:42:17.843 --> 00:42:25.501
are kids that he really introduced to science and aviation too. They all went into aviation, most, didn't they?

00:42:25.501 --> 00:42:30.011
And they worked with you in building the Trend Home, didn’t they? Yes.

00:42:30.011 --> 00:42:34.611
The first aluminum pre-fabricated home after WW2. Yes.

00:42:34.611 --> 00:42:42.485
And weren't they going to go to, at one time, you asked them all to meet you in the motto,

00:42:42.485 --> 00:42:47.078
That was South Pacific islands. Yes, and you thought a war was going to happen in there.

00:42:47.078 --> 00:42:55.086
And as I remember you asked them all to meet you there, because after the war you wanted to start a new-direction society.

00:42:55.086 --> 00:42:59.094
But you were the only one that showed up there, is that right?

00:42:59.094 --> 00:43:10.084
Yes, that is true. They weren't able to carry that out, they didn't have the money to travel out there.

00:43:10.084 --> 00:43:16.256
I see. In the collapse, do you think the government will use the army in the streets to keep their power,

00:43:16.256 --> 00:43:20.564
or do you think the army will protect the public?

00:43:20.564 --> 00:43:27.002
No, the army will protect the government, because that's the way they're brought up.

00:43:27.009 --> 00:43:33.497
The army is to serve the interests of the establishment, not the majority of people.

00:43:34.021 --> 00:43:43.323
As witnessed, the police spraying mace or some other object into people's eyes when they were not fighting back.

00:43:43.323 --> 00:43:50.002
The police serve the interests of the establishment, not the public.

00:43:50.002 --> 00:43:58.365
In the past, i read in an old newspaper advertisement on your website that you identified yourself as a behaviorist,

00:43:58.365 --> 00:44:04.020
when attending public lectures back in the 1960/1970s.

00:44:04.020 --> 00:44:08.027
Would you still identify yourself as a behaviorist today?

00:44:08.027 --> 00:44:14.122
A behaviorist? I would say it's greatly modified today.

00:44:14.122 --> 00:44:18.001
Yes, i believe environment shapes behavior,

00:44:18.001 --> 00:44:26.059
but i'm interested in the specific aspects of the environment that shape particular kinds of behavior,

00:44:26.059 --> 00:44:33.051
whether it be serial killers, gangsters, whatever people are, they're shaped by their sub-culture,

00:44:33.052 --> 00:44:36.006
the culture they're exposed to,

00:44:36.006 --> 00:44:40.036
and the conditions and they're exposed to.

00:44:40.036 --> 00:44:48.091
How useful is evolutionary psychology? Do you think there's such a thing as "evolved behaviours,"

00:44:48.091 --> 00:44:52.065
particularly in non-verbal animals?

00:44:52.065 --> 00:44:57.128
I would say that that's a very difficult subject to the answer.

00:44:57.128 --> 00:45:06.190
I can only say that animals behave with their limited receptors to whatever extent they're receptors tell them,

00:45:06.190 --> 00:45:13.005
they're receptors are not sophisticated and that's why they're called primitive.

00:45:13.005 --> 00:45:22.069
Human being is capable of a wide range of receptors or instruments to improve their ability to function,

00:45:22.069 --> 00:45:32.074
such as microscopes which extend their sensitivity into realms that they themselves cannot perceive visually.

00:45:32.074 --> 00:45:38.797
They can use instruments. And the instruments serve as extensional devices,

00:45:38.797 --> 00:45:46.056
But human beings, without instruments, would be very primitive indeed.

00:45:46.056 --> 00:45:54.631
Also in terms of "evolved behaviors", animals really react to their environment whatever receptors they have,

00:45:54.631 --> 00:45:57.975
if it doesn't work well within their environment,

00:45:57.975 --> 00:46:00.082
whether you call them evolved or whatever, what other, whatever

00:46:00.082 --> 00:46:05.116
changed mechanisms or apparatus that they have,

00:46:05.116 --> 00:46:09.040
if it doesn't work well in their environment they die out.

00:46:09.040 --> 00:46:15.113
So "evolved" is kind of a strange word, evolved behaviours.

00:46:15.113 --> 00:46:22.397
You have often said in the future the field of psychology will be replaced with behavioral science.

00:46:22.397 --> 00:46:29.035
That means the study of the effects of environment upon behaviour.

00:46:29.035 --> 00:46:34.123
To find the mechanisms that are the

00:46:34.123 --> 00:46:39.122
primary mechanism responsible for certain types of behavior.

00:46:39.122 --> 00:46:47.043
If you're brought up in a society where people have ten or fifteen wives that would be normal to your upbringing.

00:46:47.043 --> 00:46:50.172
If you're brought up in a society where a person has one wife,

00:46:50.172 --> 00:46:54.166
or if you're brought where religion dominates

00:46:54.166 --> 00:46:59.011
that will affect the value system of that society.

00:46:59.011 --> 00:47:05.027
So I'm a great believer in the effects of environment on human behaviour,

00:47:05.027 --> 00:47:09.152
I don't think there's a republican gene or a democratic gene.

00:47:09.152 --> 00:47:17.917
I think all of the genes deliver is the color of the eyes, the shape of the head, and the certain propensity, reflexes.

00:47:17.917 --> 00:47:23.172
Yes, all that's controlled by genes, but values are learned.

00:47:23.172 --> 00:47:33.090
The rest of this question is Isn't this very similar to behaviorism because behaviorism identifies the conditions which generate behavior?

00:47:33.090 --> 00:47:38.074
If it does that, then I'm all for it.

00:47:38.074 --> 00:47:43.144
Is it true that psychologists referred their patients/subjects

00:47:43.144 --> 00:47:46.064
to you to work on?

00:47:46.064 --> 00:47:51.047
Not all psychologists, some psychologists.

00:47:51.047 --> 00:47:52.068
also didn't

00:47:52.068 --> 00:47:56.029
When lawyers started coming to some of Jacque's lectures

00:47:56.029 --> 00:47:59.063
in the nineteen sixties or seventies, wasn't it?

00:47:59.063 --> 00:48:00.071
Then they brought judges

00:48:01.098 --> 00:48:03.099
and then the judges,

00:48:03.099 --> 00:48:08.041
there was one judge who worked with juveniles and instead of sending

00:48:08.041 --> 00:48:10.073
them to juvenile home they would send them

00:48:10.073 --> 00:48:13.076
to Jacque's lectures.

00:48:13.076 --> 00:48:16.088
Yes, that's true.

00:48:16.088 --> 00:48:18.059
In the book i've read,

00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:25.160
a New York Times reporter attended your lectures in the 70's, he then went on to commit suicide,

00:48:25.160 --> 00:48:32.194
is that because he could not handle this information, became depressed, etc.?

00:48:32.194 --> 00:48:38.140
No. Some newspaper reporter came to a couple of my seminars

00:48:38.140 --> 00:48:43.341
and he said, "What you say makes sense, if I can't get that out I'll kill myself.

00:48:43.341 --> 00:48:46.025
I believe I can get that out;

00:48:46.025 --> 00:48:51.099
I believe that what you say makes so much sense that people can be turned around."

00:48:51.099 --> 00:48:55.167
Well, he was turned around, but he was unable to turn people around.

00:48:55.167 --> 00:49:02.267
and he killed himself because he really believed that i had the answers to questions

00:49:02.267 --> 00:49:09.171
and that all he had to do is write about it, and people would understand it. But it's not that simple.

00:49:09.171 --> 00:49:12.046
right in there are other reasons why did that i couldn't imagine i'll be working

00:49:12.046 --> 00:49:18.154
He was not well enough equipped to handle that problem.

00:49:18.154 --> 00:49:25.047
Have you ever read B.F. Skinner's novel called 'Walden Two', and if so what are your thoughts on it?

00:49:25.047 --> 00:49:28.045
It was insufficient because the methods

00:49:28.078 --> 00:49:32.043
of building cities, the methods of dealing with problems

00:49:32.043 --> 00:49:37.179
were are not sufficient, or sophisticated enough.

00:49:37.179 --> 00:49:41.083
There's another book that Jack Catran

00:49:41.096 --> 00:49:45.008
yet when it is our patrons one of the

00:49:45.008 --> 00:49:49.075
guys that uh... one are not the book training here

00:49:49.075 --> 00:49:52.002
that you tried to talk about resource based economy

00:49:52.002 --> 00:49:54.092
wrote called 'Walden Three'

00:49:54.092 --> 00:49:57.034
which was kind of chaotic but

00:49:57.034 --> 00:49:58.063
had a lot of

00:49:58.063 --> 00:50:00.074
references to Jacque's work and the

00:50:00.074 --> 00:50:06.092
main character was taken after Jacque and talked about a city in the future.

00:50:06.092 --> 00:50:10.086
I have heard that you have produced some books for publications for sociocyberneering

00:50:10.086 --> 00:50:14.002
members back in the 1970's.

00:50:14.002 --> 00:50:18.061
Would it be possible for you to make these freely available online

00:50:18.061 --> 00:50:21.013
for us to read, please?

00:50:21.013 --> 00:50:25.007
I would say that the book 'The Best That Money Can't Buy'

00:50:25.007 --> 00:50:27.052
is an updated version

00:50:27.052 --> 00:50:28.071
of those books.

00:50:28.071 --> 00:50:35.013
Yes, it took some of that information in there and added more.

00:50:35.013 --> 00:50:37.046
Is there anymore news on when

00:50:37.046 --> 00:50:42.044
there may be new lecture audio material from the 1970's available

00:50:42.044 --> 00:50:44.048
at your online store,

00:50:44.048 --> 00:50:48.059
we've been waiting a little while for this?

00:50:48.059 --> 00:50:52.006
We just got forty tapes from

00:50:52.006 --> 00:50:53.027
Karl Geisler

00:50:53.027 --> 00:50:57.008
who used to go to the lectures, you'll hear him with a german accent.

00:50:57.008 --> 00:51:02.053
He found forty more tapes; so for the last several weeks we've been pulling them in.

00:51:02.053 --> 00:51:03.089
Today, we're just

00:51:03.089 --> 00:51:07.062
changing the tapes because several of them that broke.

00:51:07.062 --> 00:51:12.051
We're working on those now,

00:51:12.051 --> 00:51:16.016
we're pulling them into new cases and putting them into the computer. So we've pulled in about

00:51:16.016 --> 00:51:19.085
forty hours, so that's the first step. We have to put it all into the

00:51:19.085 --> 00:51:21.086
computer, but we are working on it.

00:51:21.086 --> 00:51:24.033
I can't say when exactly we'll have it,

00:51:24.033 --> 00:51:28.013
but maybe we'll make them into mp3s or something more accessible I'm not

00:51:28.013 --> 00:51:31.010
sure.

00:51:31.010 --> 00:51:36.033
Have you ever been tempted to change the system from within?

00:51:36.033 --> 00:51:37.053
No, I never have been

00:51:37.053 --> 00:51:39.082
tempted to change the system

00:51:39.082 --> 00:51:41.099
from within.

00:51:41.099 --> 00:51:43.030
I attempt to

00:51:43.030 --> 00:51:44.088
inform people

00:51:44.088 --> 00:51:46.043
as to the effects,

00:51:46.043 --> 00:51:49.002
the prime factors of our society

00:51:49.002 --> 00:51:51.060
and the harmful effects

00:51:51.060 --> 00:51:55.060
of the free enterprise system.

00:51:55.060 --> 00:51:57.003
I don't think there is a step

00:51:57.003 --> 00:52:00.010
within this system to bring it

00:52:00.010 --> 00:52:04.059
without problems into a resource based economy. There's no openings for that

00:52:04.059 --> 00:52:08.083
within this system. It requires a different value system,

00:52:08.083 --> 00:52:10.097
a different approach.

00:52:10.097 --> 00:52:12.050
This system will forever

00:52:12.050 --> 00:52:15.037
uphold this system until it just crashes

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and the examples of that are all over.

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Yes, all over the world not just America.

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Please explain why socialism

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is not a good transitional tool.

00:52:30.060 --> 00:52:33.062
I never said it was not a good translation tool,

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it's not the best, it's not updated.

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Socialism was great

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when it was designed,

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but today we have much better systems,

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much more effective

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to enhance the lives of people in a much faster way

00:52:49.046 --> 00:52:51.092
then the old-time socialist.

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Socialism was concerned with the working class.

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We're concerned with knowledge,

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and who were concerned with

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surpassing the need for work,

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in other words,

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we think machines could replace jobs that are monotonous and boring or

00:53:06.078 --> 00:53:08.006
dangerous

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that people think in terms of what to earn a living

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in the future you don't need to think in terms of work

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you'll be provided for

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and you can study

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anything you want to study in school.

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So i would say that most jobs

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will be phased out,

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maturity um...

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who'll be fatal

00:53:32.017 --> 00:53:33.092
neglecting her abilities are

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most of the early professions will be phased out.

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Why didn't you take the opportunity to make money

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and then change the world

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with that money?

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Because then they would say,

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"Well, that guy's a son of a bitch!

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He became a millionaire

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and then now he talks against the system.

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I don't trust him."

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Actually, Jacque did work within the system

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a lot when he was younger had many different inventions and ideas and

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just because you have good ideas that are better than what's out there does

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not mean it will take-on and make a lot of money with them.

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There's a lot of tremendous inventors

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that didn't get anywhere in the system for various reasons

00:54:17.091 --> 00:54:20.002
but whatever money Jacque did make

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we always turned it back into making more products and making

00:54:23.042 --> 00:54:25.011
the research center and

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perpetuating these ideas and introducing them others.

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Why could you not turn your own brother to these ideas? Why did he go into acting

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instead?

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Because i wasn't skilled enough to reach him.

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In those days, you know that we're talking about forty, fifty, sixty

00:54:45.091 --> 00:54:46.089
years ago,

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i was not able to reach him

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i really tried

00:54:52.034 --> 00:54:54.065
i could not reach him at the time

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i was not as skilled. You were the younger brother too. How much older was him to you?

00:54:59.036 --> 00:55:06.036
About five, six years older.

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What's the relation between Jacque and Roxanne?

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We've been living together and working for

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since 1976.

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Yes.

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We relate

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fairly well in most areas,

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and i would say if that continues,

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which it will.

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And i'm glad that Roxanne has been an enormous help.

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Without Roxanne, i don't think

00:55:31.082 --> 00:55:34.028
we could have gotten our books published

00:55:34.028 --> 00:55:36.061
or most of our films made.

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She's very good at film production

00:55:39.036 --> 00:55:41.000
and she's very good at

00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:42.096
translating.

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We pretty much worked on just about everything together

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and mostly it was a learning process for me learning

00:55:49.064 --> 00:55:54.013
how to make models. Jacque taught me how to do technical illustration

00:55:54.013 --> 00:55:55.059
which transferred to

00:55:55.059 --> 00:55:59.090
fine arts, taught me how to do model making and i learned on his designs which was really fascinating.

00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:07.010
Then i help make a living with that to help support this project

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and then i worked on them with everything else that i could help with.

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When people ask if we're married i say, "We're as good as or better than married."

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Looking backwards in time,

00:56:19.098 --> 00:56:24.026
if you could change certain paths you made in life,

00:56:24.026 --> 00:56:25.093
what are some of the things

00:56:25.093 --> 00:56:29.031
that you would have done differently?

00:56:29.031 --> 00:56:30.069
I can't answer that,

00:56:30.069 --> 00:56:33.045
i don't know.

00:56:33.045 --> 00:56:36.087
Is there anything you regret?

00:56:36.087 --> 00:56:39.032
No, nothing, everything i learned

00:56:39.032 --> 00:56:41.096
from all of my experiences

00:56:41.096 --> 00:56:45.097
i've learned something useful.

00:56:45.097 --> 00:56:50.034
In your lectures you questioned the role of emotions and machines, emotions

00:56:50.034 --> 00:56:56.034
may be used in machines

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for their algorithm

00:56:57.046 --> 00:56:59.046
to process more

00:56:59.046 --> 00:57:00.087
variants

00:57:00.087 --> 00:57:02.021
in its

00:57:02.021 --> 00:57:03.023
evolving

00:57:03.023 --> 00:57:05.007
intelligence?

00:57:05.007 --> 00:57:05.060
I would say

00:57:05.060 --> 00:57:07.000
emotions

00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:11.042
are the feelings you have about things.

00:57:11.042 --> 00:57:14.092
It's what you do about it that counts.

00:57:14.092 --> 00:57:17.025
If you feel that war is terrible

00:57:17.025 --> 00:57:20.072
and you do nothing to try to put and end to it,

00:57:20.072 --> 00:57:24.051
i would say it's useless.

00:57:24.051 --> 00:57:29.014
We don't put emotions in machines because we don't know how.

00:57:29.014 --> 00:57:31.050
No machines have

00:57:31.050 --> 00:57:33.010
ambition.

00:57:33.010 --> 00:57:35.080
No machines feel good.

00:57:35.080 --> 00:57:38.098
They just produce a lot of goods and services

00:57:38.098 --> 00:57:40.081
and they have no feelings

00:57:40.081 --> 00:57:42.065
nor are they concerned

00:57:42.065 --> 00:57:46.079
whether they produce cannons, submarines, bombers,

00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:49.041
or respiratory systems.

00:57:49.041 --> 00:57:51.078
The machines has no feelings

00:57:51.078 --> 00:57:54.046
and the machines cannot have feelings,

00:57:54.046 --> 00:57:57.045
they don't even know how to put feelings into the machines.

00:57:57.045 --> 00:57:59.074
Although you can make the machine

00:57:59.074 --> 00:58:05.038
that would verbalize as though it had feelings, it would be like a movie actor

00:58:05.038 --> 00:58:10.040
acting the part but it really don't feel.

00:58:10.040 --> 00:58:11.036
We don't really want

00:58:11.036 --> 00:58:15.073
machines to have emotions, we want them to take on action pattern.

00:58:15.073 --> 00:58:18.044
We don't want people sitting there emoting

00:58:18.044 --> 00:58:19.009
and being emotional

00:58:19.009 --> 00:58:23.076
without doing something about it.

00:58:23.076 --> 00:58:25.001
Jacque, have you ever read

00:58:25.001 --> 00:58:30.016
Jack Catran's book 'Is They're Intelligent Life on Earth?'

00:58:30.016 --> 00:58:32.016
Yes i have.

00:58:32.016 --> 00:58:36.014
I think it's sort of a round-about way of talking about things,

00:58:36.014 --> 00:58:39.082
i would be more direct than Catran would.

00:58:39.082 --> 00:58:41.068
Catran always kept up,

00:58:41.068 --> 00:58:45.035
he spoke with Jacque quite regularly and always sent Jacque

00:58:45.035 --> 00:58:49.054
his new books and things.

00:58:49.054 --> 00:58:52.013
How do you increase interest toward life,

00:58:52.013 --> 00:58:56.093
towards some activity, towards learning and researching?

00:58:56.093 --> 00:59:00.005
Well, you have to understand the person you're working with.

00:59:00.005 --> 00:59:01.001
Then you have to

00:59:01.001 --> 00:59:02.053
design the system

00:59:02.053 --> 00:59:06.011
so it fits their background.

00:59:06.011 --> 00:59:12.045
You have a design the approach to that person based on their background.

00:59:12.045 --> 00:59:16.026
This person might be talking about himself or herself,

00:59:16.026 --> 00:59:17.042
i don't know if it's

00:59:17.042 --> 00:59:20.078
within oneself.

00:59:20.078 --> 00:59:24.000
What age do you hope to live to?

00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:26.016
I don't think about that.

00:59:26.016 --> 00:59:29.010
I just go on living.

00:59:29.010 --> 00:59:32.056
I may die tomorrow, but I don't know.

00:59:32.056 --> 00:59:35.058
I don't concern myself with that.

00:59:35.058 --> 00:59:40.023
This questions, how do you justify the fancy sprinkler in the water?

00:59:40.023 --> 00:59:45.003
i think this person might be talking about the,

00:59:45.003 --> 00:59:48.000
this is the only place i can think of a fancy sprinkler,

00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.000
one of the house computer rendering drawings,

00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:54.024
there's a jet of water in the front of the house?

00:59:54.024 --> 00:59:57.000
Oh, that will be a filtering system.

00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:03.003
Some filtering now found water filters

01:00:03.003 --> 01:00:08.044
there are no fountains for just luxury or to amuse people.

01:00:08.044 --> 01:00:11.042
Everything in the future will have a function.

01:00:11.042 --> 01:00:15.000
So, if you see a waterfall, it's part of the water treatment plant.

01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:18.000
help fish on there too, yes,

01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:21.000
the water, yes

01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:26.073
Have you ever turned around a fundamentalist Christian and how?

01:00:26.086 --> 01:00:31.078
Well, first of all, I approached them with the Bible.

01:00:31.078 --> 01:00:35.068
By approaching them with the Bible it says in the Bible,

01:00:35.068 --> 01:00:40.063
at least the ten commandments, "Thou shall not kill.

01:00:40.063 --> 01:00:45.000
You shall not judge other people otherwise you will be judged,"

01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:48.000
and i point out all the statements

01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:51.059
of the Ten Commandments and how far we've come from it.

01:00:51.059 --> 01:00:54.000
When we get mad at another country,

01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:57.000
we bomb the hell out of them,

01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:59.072
and we kill and we all join in that.

01:00:59.072 --> 01:01:03.000
And the churches bless the armies and they bless war tanks.

01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:07.081
Particularly the Catholic Church sprinkles holy water on the war tanks,

01:01:07.081 --> 01:01:13.013
and the Catholics in Italy bless the war tanks fighting Americans,

01:01:13.013 --> 01:01:18.000
and the Catholics in America bless the war tanks in America.

01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:21.000
I would say that the church seems to conform

01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:24.000
to social institutions

01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:28.041
if they did not conform they would be poorly attended,

01:01:28.041 --> 01:01:31.072
and the church do not conform

01:01:31.072 --> 01:01:35.073
is not advocated as a method of social deliverance.

01:01:35.073 --> 01:01:39.000
And what method do you used to turn around fundamentalists?

01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:44.078
The Bible itself. Show them that it's almost impossible to live

01:01:44.078 --> 01:01:49.093
according to the teachings of Christ in the monetary system.

01:01:51.081 --> 01:01:55.015
Ok, so in the monetary system, I had my finger off it for a minute

01:01:58.007 --> 01:02:00.001
And the fat man on the left book, he said

01:02:00.001 --> 01:02:03.029
in love grandma pins

01:02:03.029 --> 01:02:08.074
we actually never read the fat man on the left book

01:02:08.074 --> 01:02:11.063
when they is a tremendous researcher

01:02:11.063 --> 01:02:12.090
worden shocks

01:02:12.090 --> 01:02:15.066
wiki page and he found that

01:02:15.066 --> 01:02:19.053
but anyway it said your love grandma pins this is true i have no i can't help

01:02:19.053 --> 01:02:21.013
i have read about them

01:02:21.013 --> 01:02:23.050
and i'm starting to do with me

01:02:23.050 --> 01:02:26.035
yet i think that we have the grandmother recipients

01:02:26.035 --> 01:02:29.003
we are not going

01:02:29.003 --> 01:02:35.053
do you think the government banks will forgive the debt

01:02:35.053 --> 01:02:37.063
mickey kantor operate mostly create

01:02:41.004 --> 01:02:45.034
what shocks primordial stew

01:02:45.034 --> 01:02:48.076
you know we always talk about the people come into in bringing pipe primordial

01:02:48.076 --> 01:02:52.021
slime wyndham logs and let me know

01:02:52.021 --> 01:02:54.077
qualcomm up on on your son

01:02:54.077 --> 01:02:57.004
they drank some of the slime with them

01:02:57.004 --> 01:03:01.054
meaning that background than expected

01:03:01.054 --> 01:03:06.088
persons asking what your primordial slime

01:03:06.088 --> 01:03:12.044
company conquerors initially

01:03:12.044 --> 01:03:16.091
delusions of prime motivators for social change

01:03:16.091 --> 01:03:20.090
human suffering com

01:03:24.063 --> 01:03:26.032
okay i guess that's it for now

01:03:26.032 --> 01:03:27.002
thank you very

01:03:27.002 --> 01:03:29.041
too much for the opportunity to express steve's

01:03:31.059 --> 01:03:35.027
you know we appreciate your questions and really good

01:03:35.027 --> 01:03:41.026
next week if all goes well we will talk to you then thanks everyone pre-trial

01:03:42.066 --> 01:03:47.052
thank you all doing a yes banks the gamut from on my hand for

01:03:47.052 --> 01:03:49.076
for everything everybody else is doing tremendous help

01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:57.005
okay except in the room

01:03:57.005 --> 01:03:59.053
okay so instead of the seminar

01:03:59.053 --> 01:04:01.088
sunday recuperated doesn't grow