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Richard Nash: Publishing 3.0

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    Thanks everyone for having me up here
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    I used to come to Toronto to do presentations of individual book titles
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    at the sales conference for Publishers Group Canada.
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    It's sort of funny to be here talking about books in a much more abstract way
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    and I look forward to also being able to present titles to PGC sales conference again in the future.
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    An odd little personal anecdote: I suffer from a very very benign heart condition
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    that causes my heart to beat at 120 beats a minute while at rest
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    and I control it with beta-blockers, and I forgot to bring the beta-blockers.
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    So I'm going to be doing this presentation in a biological state akin to permanent stage fright
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    so bear with me if the adrenaline becomes too much.
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    For the recorded history of publishing, risk was about what books you acquired,
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    it was a supply-side issue: What product will we supply?
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    And that contained two questions, effectively:
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    What titles? and how much do we pay for them?
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    And Bob alluded to the "How much we pay for them?" problem
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    but I'd like to delve a tiny bit deeper for a second into understanding
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    the true pathology of unearned advances.
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    Because it was discovered in the early 1970s
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    that, when you're engaged in a competitive auction,
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    for something the long-term value of which is not clear
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    the winner always overpays. Not sometimes, but always.
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    It was three oil economists trying to figure out why they were always overpaying for drilling rights.
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    And they did exhaustive studies and comprehensive game theory analysis,
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    and, in fact, the rest of the world has figured this out.
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    When they were auctioning the wireless spectrum for 3G, back in the early '00s,
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    several countries structured their auctions so that the second bidder won,
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    because the assumption was the first bidder was going to so overpay
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    they would not have enough money left to build all the towers and infrastructure required to execute on 3G.
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    So this isn't just an accident of a couple of individual editors going slightly off the reservation
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    or sort of a little bit of a bad habit, it is a profound pathology in the industry that we are taking
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    our working capital out of what we do and handing it to authors,
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    and it is part of the deep structure of how we've been operating.
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    Even if we were to solve that particular miracle, however,
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    of transforming our capacity to not overpay,
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    the question with supply still becomes: Well, what do we publish?
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    And a fascinating thing of what's happened over the last hundred years
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    is that in a certain sense the supply... it doesn't matter anymore, because the supply
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    of content is going infinite.
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    The 20th century has been a history of supply of long-form narrative content increasing.
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    It began...-and it's a beautiful thing-, it began with reductions in the overall degree of racism,
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    and sexism in our society.
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    The so-called "Golden Era" of publishing in the 1950s consisted of white men in tweed jackets
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    publishing each other.
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    It was a golden age for them, it wasn't a golden age for the rest of society,
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    who were suffering from bigotry, and racism, and sexism all along.
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    So, as our societies let the other 60 to 70% start writing, start getting educated,
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    get access to tertiary education, access to the social, intellectual, creative capital
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    required to just be able to write, and discover an agent, and discover a publisher,
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    that was really the first moment revolutionizing over the supply chain of publishing.
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    And the second moment is a digital moment that has nothing to do with the Internet,
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    and is something that enabled a lot of the people here in this room to be publishers,
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    which is good old Adobe Pagemaker.
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    The "desktop publishing revolution", as it was once called,
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    the Xerox, the Kinkos -you don't have Kinkos in Canada but... oh, you do? Ok-
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    Softskull Press started in a Kinkos in 1993, with two people who were employees
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    working the graveyard shift
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    laying out their book on Pagemaker, chopping it, chopping it, tape-binding it,
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    and, over the course of about 8 weeks, they had 400 tapebound paperbacks to publish,
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    and that the first Softskull book.
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    So the explosion that we've seen in the number of titles published in the United States,
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    depending on how you estimate it, about 25000 in 1990, and half a million in 2008,
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    is not at all even a function of the Internet,
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    because those were all print books. It is a function of goold old desktop publishing.
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    So we've barely even begun to see the effect of marginal cost of reproduction of digital narratives
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    and the fact that it goes to zero. We've not even begun to see the effects of that.
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    Everything we're contending with right now is a function of Kinkos,
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    and the aftermath of the Kinkos revolution.
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    The quote that you see behind me
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    is taken from an article in Wired magazine from about two years ago
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    it was an article about the Netflix prize.
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    Netflix -is there Netflix in Canada? I should have checked out. No, ok.-
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    So Netflix is basically a DVD rental service where you sign up and
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    you pick 3 DVDs, they mail them to you,
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    you mail back the DVD when you've watched it and it sort of cicles through like that.
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    It's a monthly membership.
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    And they've a very complicated algorithm that they use to try to tell people
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    well, the people who watched this movie rated these other movies 4 stars,
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    and since you rated this movie 4 stars and they did, then, these other movies you might also like.
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    It's "people who bought ... algo bought ..." in a more sophisticated level.
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    And they wanted to improve the algorithm by 10%.
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    And they announced a million dollar prize
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    for the person or persons who could pull this off.
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    It took about three years, and they got about 85% of the way there fairly quickly,
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    so they'd 1.5% left, and they looked at what was the other part of the 1.5,
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    the data points that were the components of what they weren't able to figure out
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    and it was basically Wes Anderson movies.
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    How would you characterize a Wes Anderson movie?
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    It's not very plot-driven, it's driven by voice and by character.
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    So, what's the contemporary novel
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    other than a not particularly plot-driven thing, driven by voice and character?
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    So basically novels break algorithms.
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    And when this guy who wrote the article interviewed one of the mathematicians
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    -he was actually an organizational psychologist-
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    he made a comment about media, and it was this comment here:
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    "The 21st century is going to be about sorting demand..."
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    because the supply side... the game is over, in a certain sense.
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    The genie is out of the bottle. We're going to keep at least doubling,
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    if not tripling or quadrupling the number of books published
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    in the English language on this planet every year.
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    And even in everyone here in this room said: "We won't be a part of it, we won't do it," everybody else will.
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    So this is happening. So how do we respond?
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    How do we manage risk now that we cannot manage it by controlling supply?
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    It's going to be demand, obviously.
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    What can we do, therefore, to manage demand?
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    One of the main things we did in the United States over the last decade was pray for Oprah.
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    She doesn't have the same effect here, I know,
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    but there's Canada Reads, right?
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    I saw a woman on the plane yesterday reading Lawrence Hill with a Canada Reads sticker on it.
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    Oprah's genius, though... -we used to think of her as the patron saint of publishing in a certain sense-
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    but I want to propose what I think is a relatively radical notion about Oprah,
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    which is that she needed books more than books needed her.
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    Because Oprah was in the broadcast business.
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    And the broadcast business is not really a very good business to be in.
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    It's one-way communication.
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    And Oprah had an hour a day, at most, with her audience,
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    and it was a one-way conversation.
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    So how does she own her audience all their waking hours seven days a week?
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    How does she get into their heads?
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    How does she get mindshare?
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    She starts a book club.
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    Books are cultural objects that take fifteen hours to read,
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    fifteen hours of another person's voice inside your head,
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    and so the commonality between two people who've read the same book
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    is a profound and deep intervention.
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    The genius of Oprah was to use the book as the platform to own her audience.
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    So if we actually get to be in the book business
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    the book business where you are inside a person's head for fifteen hours
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    and you own that proxy object, that cultural proxy object,
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    that connects two people to one another in a deeper deeper way than any other media
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    then you've got something going for you,
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    you've got something really really deep going for you.
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    About two years ago I had lunch with a guy called Michael Cader,
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    who runs a newsletter called Publishers Lunch in the US,
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    and he said to me at one point, our business, our industry...
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    (you'll see the slides go a little faster than I go,
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    consider that they took their beta-blockers and I didn't)
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    Michael said to me: we're a tiny industry perched atop a massive hobby.
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    And so I submit to you in that sense that what Bob alluded to in the Q&A earlier
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    the person who's going to self-publish their memoir on a Espresso machine in a bookstore
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    that's the bottom, that's the massive pyramid, that's the industry
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    if we only stick to the little triangle on top, and functioning as gatekeepers,
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    deciding which of the hobby bit stuff reaches the little triangle on top,
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    then we're going to be stuck in managing the supply side,
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    whereas if we can engage with the entire pyramid,
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    with the whole hobby, then we're in the business of managing demand
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    which is a somewhat sexier area to be in.
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    As I moved into my post-Softskull life, a year ago, when I resigned from Softskull
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    a number of writers would come to me and say:
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    How do I get published?
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    They felt more comfortable asking me now that I didn't have any direct influence
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    in whether they would get published.
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    And I told them the things I think a lot of editors here,
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    when they're on pannels, talking to would-be writers say
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    and agents would also say
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    which is: "You should submit your stuff to literary journals,
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    check out your favorite author's blog, comment on it
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    go to reading series, apply to reading series,
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    go to writers retreats, participate in your community."
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    I explained that has the opportunity to increase serendipity.
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    An agent might discover you, an editor might discover you.
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    But I realized over the last year, as I was telling them this,
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    that that wasn't really the reason they should do it.
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    The reason they should do it is that it would make them happy.
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    Because I saw what happened when I published writers in the conventional way in which we do.
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    We edit, design, print, ship, shelve their books.
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    The moment they're shelved, the post-partum depression kicks in.
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    They're not happy being published, in the sense of the publishing supply chain.
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    They want to connect.
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    And that is in a certain sense the massive sidetrack that we've gone on in the publishing industry
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    where we've allowed ourselves to believe that being published is the thing, is the end,
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    and it is a means to an end.
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    The end being happiness, the end being connection.
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    We're in the writer-reader connection business,
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    and the fact that we build this elaborate supply chain to effectuate that
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    does not mean that we have to remain prisoners of that supply chain
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    if it is not effectively connecting writers and readers,
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    or, to frame it more possitively, only to the extent that it enables us
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    to best connect writer and reader should we be using the supply chain that we have constructed.
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    The slide that I just put up is something I'm sharing with you,
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    I'm in the middle of launching a startup called Cursor
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    and, when you do startups in this day and age, you do a lot of slides,
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    you do a deck, they call it.
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    A guy called Guy Kawasaki says "ten slides". This is one of the ten slides.
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    No one's seen this yet, other than a couple of venture capitalists, and my co-founder.
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    But it is a way to try to describe the economic logic of what I'm saying to you.
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    In interesting ways it reflects something that Bob already alluded to.
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    Basically, it's a demand curve,
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    and it basically says that a demand for a given writer,
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    one person will pay ten grand, or a thousand grand, to have them wash a toilet,
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    to connect with a writer or artist in some personal way,
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    and then there's maybe ten thousand people who will pay a buck to connect with that writer
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    let's say, with a digital download.
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    And the demand curve basically is everything in between.
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    And we in the publishing business, because we got so addicted to our supply chain,
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    have only ever captured the value
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    under that demand curve that lies between 10 and $30,
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    and we've let everything else on the table,
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    we have no products under $10, and we have no products above $30,
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    so whether there might be people willing to pay $1000 to connect to our writer,
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    we haven't figured out a way to get those other $970 from them
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    and we refuse to supply them with stuff for a dollar,
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    in the belief that all these products are completely interchangeable,
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    whereas pretty much humans beings have shown in every area
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    from fashion and cosmetics to furniture
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    that we don't actually consider these things interchangeable at all.
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    That we buy paperbacks because we buy paperbacks,
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    and we buy digital objects because we buy digital objects
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    and we go to dinner parties with Paul Auster because we want to go to a dinner party with Paul Auster
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    and a digital download is not a substitute for the $250 Pen Awards gala ceremony with Paul Auster.
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    So the only way we are going to be able to effectively get out from under the supply chain we've created
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    is discover all the other value that exists under the demand curve,
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    that is there either being fed in a half-assed way by MFA programs
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    or for-profit writing centers, or bittorrent.
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    But it's going to get supplied by somebody
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    and, for our sakes, it better be publishers,
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    if you're interested in finding out more about this particular endeavor,
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    this Cursor endeavor, you can go to ThinkCursor.com
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    and just stick in your email address.
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    This here takes a lot of work to do in PowerPoint.
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    And it's there because I believe that our industry has to face the same thing
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    that we ask our authors to face,
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    they have to face the blank page with the blinking cursor
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    and we need to do that too.
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    Thank you very much.
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    I'm happy to answer less abstract questions than the much more 30000-feet-style-thing that I just did.
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    All those questions that you asked Bob, I was like, I have to ask me something like that
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    I could just start answering some questions.
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    I will throw out one thought, in relation to enhanced books.
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    I lean towards the "enhanced digital books are the CD-ROMs"
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    there's absolutely no evidence that there's any demand for them
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    if there were, people have been making pictures out of words for a very very very long time
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    yet we still read long-form text-only narrative.
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    The absence of audio and video in text-only long-form narrative is a feature not a bug,
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    and thus far it's been treated as a bug by people who have basically hammers
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    and if that's the only tool you have, then you see an enhanced ebook,
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    which is not to say that there isn't a role for video and audio in relation to text,
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    but that's called a website.
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    Creating something that downloads is going to be kind of pointless
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    in a universe of 4 and 5G and Wi-Max
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    already there's 4G in Stockholm that works 60 feet below... in tunnels 60 feet under the ground
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    So we're going to be in a universe of completely pervasive always-on connectivity
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    where text and image and sound will work together in a device,
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    so the notion that we have to bundle it together into a downloadable file seems...
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    Bob says it's only ($)10000, but only 10000 is only 10000 if your marketplace is the United States
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    10000 is not an "only" number for a Canadian independent publisher.
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    So my little advice there is don't waste money on elaborate video in relation to text,
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    just make a website.
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    Are there non-imaginary questions? Shawn, thank you
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    [Q: Can you talk about Print-On-Demand, Publishing 3.0,
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    and the opportunity to explore under-served, unknown markets through digital?]
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    My belief is that if you're in the demand management business
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    then you've got to own the community.
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    There's just no other way around it
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    the price of digital content is going to zero
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    it has already in music
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    you can get any song you want for free
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    and at a certain point you'll be able to get any text you want for free
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    it's just not going to not happen
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    and it's delusional to think it's not going to happen simply because it hasn't happened yet
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    the only extent to which it has not happened is frankly lack of demand
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    as Bob pointed out, 2000 pirated whatevers is a good sign, it means somebody wants the damn thing
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    most of our problem in the publishing industry it's been people don't want the things that we create
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    So the price of digital content is going to zero, so how the hell do you make money?
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    Well, you make money by owning the community.
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    How are you going to make money under that demand curve?
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    You've got to own the community. You've got to know who's going to pay the ten grand to take a workshop
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    a personal tutorial with Miriam Toews,
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    People are already doing this. The British publisher Faber has launched something called "Faber Academy"
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    which is basically Faber writers teaching writing workshops.
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    Miriam Toews is going to be the first writer doing that in Canada.
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    That works, Faber is a brand, people think: "'Faber Academy', I want to write like a Faber author"
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    therefore there they go.
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    So it's by really establishing mindshare over your audience,
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    either at the level of the author, which would be the case of blockbuster publishing,
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    with the Gary Vaynerchuks and up, where he's got mindshare of his audience.
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    Or if you're not in that business, if you're not in the blockbuster business,
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    everything below that, everything midlist and below,
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    you're going to have to basically circle everybody together,
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    and cluster everybody together, so that you can really get to learn who the hell is reading these books.
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    The role of POD [Print-On-Demand] in that? It's a tool
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    It's certainly a tool for reducing your working capital outlay,
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    to the extent that you're still participating in the supply chain
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    and it's also a tool... You could say a 25-copy artisanally-made limited edition
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    that you've printed the 25 copies of because you've already got 25 credit card numbers
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    and you're going to charge them 250 bucks
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    because the author is going to put his bloody thumbprint on the title page
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    is a kind of Print-On-Demand.
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    I know almost everybody in this room has to think very concretely about what do you do tonight,
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    what do you do tomorrow to address some of these things?
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    But I also urge you to be able to step back and think about the business you're in,
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    so that you can make choices about which of these tools to use
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    because otherwise you're just throwing a bunch of tools against the wall and seeing what sticks
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    and that's not going to work any better than throwing all the books against the wall to see what sticks.
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    So Print-On-Demand can mean two very different things to very different publishers.
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    The trick is: who am I selling the book to?
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    Who am I connecting this writer I represent with?
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    [Q: Do you consider this a marketing or a publishing strategy?]
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    It's a complete business strategy.
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    It is the business you're in.
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    It always used to bug me when people announced they had open online marketing departments
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    because I was wondering what the offline marketing department was doing.
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    It couldn't be anything terribly useful,
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    if it was going to be separated from how people spend half their lives.
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    Most of their reading life, our text-processing life.
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    I think you have to think about it in profoundly integrated ways.
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    In other words, your act of publishing is an act of marketing.
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    My business is perceived -to some degree by outsiders- as a digital-only business, let's say, this Cursor model
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    and it takes a while to point out to people why I'm being distributed by Publishers Group West
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    and Publishers Group Canada
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    These communities are going to produce books that are going to go through the supply chain
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    why am I doing that? I'm not doing that to make money.
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    One of the ways in which I tested my business plan was
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    I took all the non-publishing-supply-chain revenues out of it, and costs out of it
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    and I discovered I had in the business plan operating margins of 3%,
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    so I'm like, ok, this model clearly works, because we know that's true.
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    I'm doing it because 500 heavily-trafficked-by-book-reading-people bricks-and-mortar retail locations
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    around the country, where I can put a 6 by 9 inch ad about the book and the community for free
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    is not something I intend to give up very likely.
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    Publishing is a marketing strategy for an owner of a community.
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    Publishing is a marketing strategy for the Daily Beast,
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    this website that Tina Brown has set up in the United States.
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    She's going to do publishing. She's not going to make money publishing,
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    but she's going to build brand equity for the Daily Beast publishing.
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    A lot of people who own communities, knitting, fly-fishing,
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    paranormal romance, whatever the community is,
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    they're going to start publishing, because that's a way for them to build brand equity,
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    and for them publishing is marketing,
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    That's the kind of conceptual challenge that we face.
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    You're not going to face it tomorrow, or the day after, but that is the challenge we face,
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    and I know this sounds very abstract, but when we think of this topic,
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    this "Calculated Risk", effectively what we are saying is that
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    it is too risky not to completely reconceive our business.
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    That's where the risk lies, it's in remaining siloed,
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    remaining in the manufacturing business.
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    We are in an intellectual property business where almost our entire cost basis is based in manufacturing.
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    if you look at the markup on shoes, farmaceuticals, anything,
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    the markup that everybody else gets to put over the manufacturing bit of the business
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    is so much greater than what we do in publishing
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    and we are in the pure intellectual property business.
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    When I say content isn't king, culture is, that's what I'm trying to get at,
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    that the container, the cultural artifact, the object itself, isn't what we are doing
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    it's the connection between people that that object enables,
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    whether that person is a writer or a reader, or a reader and a reader, or a writer and a writer.
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    [Q: Does asking writers to start selling something other than their writing
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    undermine our commodity (writing as culture)?]
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    Pulped-wood bound in cardboard isn't culture, the words in it are the culture.
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    It's no more cultural than a t-shirt.
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    I'm not suggesting the we abandon it,
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    but I've been chatting with a number of writers...
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    I mean, I get what you are trying to get at,
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    are we distracting writers from the pure process of creativity
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    and turning them into product shells?, the cruder way of summarizing that.
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    And I have two observations about that
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    one is that there is no writer happier than the writer who is not writing.
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    Beckett, the greatest sort of allegedly antisocial curmudgeon of all time,
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    wrote plays and TV scenarios and radio stuff so that he could get out of the house.
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    Writers actually want to connect, they don't like spending three years stuck in the attic,
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    they like getting out, they like connecting,
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    they may be erratic about doing it or may be scared because they're not used to it
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    but engaging with the readers is what writers want,
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    so we're not forcing them to do something that is absolutely alien to them
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    and it is also the case that, prior to Gutenberg,
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    culture thrived, poets were allowed to run around and sing for their supper,
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    and that worked reasonably well,
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    so assuming that the physical book is the only conceivable incarnation
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    for the writer-reader connection is, I think, a mistake.
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    They want to connect.
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    I'm... Time. Thank you very much.
Title:
Richard Nash: Publishing 3.0
Description:

Richard Nash speaks at BookNet Canada's Technology Forum 2010 in a session entitled "Publishing 3.0: Moving from Gatekeeping to Partnerships.

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