1 00:00:05,668 --> 00:00:09,116 Thanks everyone for having me up here 2 00:00:09,116 --> 00:00:13,820 I used to come to Toronto to do presentations of individual book titles 3 00:00:13,820 --> 00:00:18,808 at the sales conference for Publishers Group Canada. 4 00:00:18,808 --> 00:00:24,398 It's sort of funny to be here talking about books in a much more abstract way 5 00:00:24,398 --> 00:00:33,940 and I look forward to also being able to present titles to PGC sales conference again in the future. 6 00:00:33,940 --> 00:00:43,598 An odd little personal anecdote: I suffer from a very very benign heart condition 7 00:00:43,598 --> 00:00:49,005 that causes my heart to beat at 120 beats a minute while at rest 8 00:00:49,005 --> 00:00:54,260 and I control it with beta-blockers, and I forgot to bring the beta-blockers. 9 00:00:54,260 --> 00:01:01,766 So I'm going to be doing this presentation in a biological state akin to permanent stage fright 10 00:01:01,766 --> 00:01:08,388 so bear with me if the adrenaline becomes too much. 11 00:01:08,388 --> 00:01:15,885 For the recorded history of publishing, risk was about what books you acquired, 12 00:01:15,885 --> 00:01:23,521 it was a supply-side issue: What product will we supply? 13 00:01:23,521 --> 00:01:27,339 And that contained two questions, effectively: 14 00:01:27,339 --> 00:01:32,290 What titles? and how much do we pay for them? 15 00:01:32,290 --> 00:01:36,130 And Bob alluded to the "How much we pay for them?" problem 16 00:01:36,130 --> 00:01:40,540 but I'd like to delve a tiny bit deeper for a second into understanding 17 00:01:40,540 --> 00:01:46,579 the true pathology of unearned advances. 18 00:01:46,579 --> 00:01:50,393 Because it was discovered in the early 1970s 19 00:01:50,393 --> 00:01:55,826 that, when you're engaged in a competitive auction, 20 00:01:55,826 --> 00:02:01,460 for something the long-term value of which is not clear 21 00:02:01,460 --> 00:02:09,854 the winner always overpays. Not sometimes, but always. 22 00:02:09,854 --> 00:02:17,404 It was three oil economists trying to figure out why they were always overpaying for drilling rights. 23 00:02:17,404 --> 00:02:24,875 And they did exhaustive studies and comprehensive game theory analysis, 24 00:02:24,875 --> 00:02:30,648 and, in fact, the rest of the world has figured this out. 25 00:02:30,648 --> 00:02:38,432 When they were auctioning the wireless spectrum for 3G, back in the early '00s, 26 00:02:38,432 --> 00:02:44,832 several countries structured their auctions so that the second bidder won, 27 00:02:44,832 --> 00:02:50,710 because the assumption was the first bidder was going to so overpay 28 00:02:50,710 --> 00:03:00,620 they would not have enough money left to build all the towers and infrastructure required to execute on 3G. 29 00:03:00,620 --> 00:03:08,828 So this isn't just an accident of a couple of individual editors going slightly off the reservation 30 00:03:08,828 --> 00:03:16,963 or sort of a little bit of a bad habit, it is a profound pathology in the industry that we are taking 31 00:03:16,963 --> 00:03:23,702 our working capital out of what we do and handing it to authors, 32 00:03:23,702 --> 00:03:27,438 and it is part of the deep structure of how we've been operating. 33 00:03:27,438 --> 00:03:32,715 Even if we were to solve that particular miracle, however, 34 00:03:32,715 --> 00:03:37,939 of transforming our capacity to not overpay, 35 00:03:37,939 --> 00:03:42,395 the question with supply still becomes: Well, what do we publish? 36 00:03:42,395 --> 00:03:47,300 And a fascinating thing of what's happened over the last hundred years 37 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:53,351 is that in a certain sense the supply... it doesn't matter anymore, because the supply 38 00:03:53,351 --> 00:03:56,108 of content is going infinite. 39 00:03:56,108 --> 00:04:07,484 The 20th century has been a history of supply of long-form narrative content increasing. 40 00:04:07,484 --> 00:04:14,772 It began...-and it's a beautiful thing-, it began with reductions in the overall degree of racism, 41 00:04:14,772 --> 00:04:17,306 and sexism in our society. 42 00:04:17,306 --> 00:04:22,968 The so-called "Golden Era" of publishing in the 1950s consisted of white men in tweed jackets 43 00:04:22,968 --> 00:04:25,644 publishing each other. 44 00:04:25,644 --> 00:04:30,175 It was a golden age for them, it wasn't a golden age for the rest of society, 45 00:04:30,175 --> 00:04:36,845 who were suffering from bigotry, and racism, and sexism all along. 46 00:04:36,845 --> 00:04:45,758 So, as our societies let the other 60 to 70% start writing, start getting educated, 47 00:04:45,758 --> 00:04:54,373 get access to tertiary education, access to the social, intellectual, creative capital 48 00:04:54,373 --> 00:05:02,210 required to just be able to write, and discover an agent, and discover a publisher, 49 00:05:02,210 --> 00:05:09,968 that was really the first moment revolutionizing over the supply chain of publishing. 50 00:05:09,968 --> 00:05:14,386 And the second moment is a digital moment that has nothing to do with the Internet, 51 00:05:14,386 --> 00:05:19,425 and is something that enabled a lot of the people here in this room to be publishers, 52 00:05:19,425 --> 00:05:22,828 which is good old Adobe Pagemaker. 53 00:05:22,828 --> 00:05:28,045 The "desktop publishing revolution", as it was once called, 54 00:05:28,045 --> 00:05:36,441 the Xerox, the Kinkos -you don't have Kinkos in Canada but... oh, you do? Ok- 55 00:05:36,441 --> 00:05:43,315 Softskull Press started in a Kinkos in 1993, with two people who were employees 56 00:05:43,315 --> 00:05:45,364 working the graveyard shift 57 00:05:45,364 --> 00:05:53,906 laying out their book on Pagemaker, chopping it, chopping it, tape-binding it, 58 00:05:53,906 --> 00:06:00,489 and, over the course of about 8 weeks, they had 400 tapebound paperbacks to publish, 59 00:06:00,489 --> 00:06:03,075 and that the first Softskull book. 60 00:06:03,075 --> 00:06:08,509 So the explosion that we've seen in the number of titles published in the United States, 61 00:06:08,509 --> 00:06:16,920 depending on how you estimate it, about 25000 in 1990, and half a million in 2008, 62 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,898 is not at all even a function of the Internet, 63 00:06:19,898 --> 00:06:24,705 because those were all print books. It is a function of goold old desktop publishing. 64 00:06:24,705 --> 00:06:34,004 So we've barely even begun to see the effect of marginal cost of reproduction of digital narratives 65 00:06:34,004 --> 00:06:40,509 and the fact that it goes to zero. We've not even begun to see the effects of that. 66 00:06:40,509 --> 00:06:45,243 Everything we're contending with right now is a function of Kinkos, 67 00:06:45,243 --> 00:06:49,887 and the aftermath of the Kinkos revolution. 68 00:06:49,887 --> 00:06:54,253 The quote that you see behind me 69 00:06:54,253 --> 00:07:01,393 is taken from an article in Wired magazine from about two years ago 70 00:07:01,393 --> 00:07:10,680 it was an article about the Netflix prize. 71 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,670 Netflix -is there Netflix in Canada? I should have checked out. No, ok.- 72 00:07:15,670 --> 00:07:22,958 So Netflix is basically a DVD rental service where you sign up and 73 00:07:22,958 --> 00:07:26,118 you pick 3 DVDs, they mail them to you, 74 00:07:26,118 --> 00:07:30,756 you mail back the DVD when you've watched it and it sort of cicles through like that. 75 00:07:30,756 --> 00:07:33,591 It's a monthly membership. 76 00:07:33,591 --> 00:07:38,684 And they've a very complicated algorithm that they use to try to tell people 77 00:07:38,684 --> 00:07:45,738 well, the people who watched this movie rated these other movies 4 stars, 78 00:07:45,738 --> 00:07:51,676 and since you rated this movie 4 stars and they did, then, these other movies you might also like. 79 00:07:51,676 --> 00:07:55,115 It's "people who bought ... algo bought ..." in a more sophisticated level. 80 00:07:55,115 --> 00:08:00,251 And they wanted to improve the algorithm by 10%. 81 00:08:00,251 --> 00:08:03,213 And they announced a million dollar prize 82 00:08:03,213 --> 00:08:07,967 for the person or persons who could pull this off. 83 00:08:07,967 --> 00:08:18,625 It took about three years, and they got about 85% of the way there fairly quickly, 84 00:08:18,625 --> 00:08:28,447 so they'd 1.5% left, and they looked at what was the other part of the 1.5, 85 00:08:28,447 --> 00:08:34,586 the data points that were the components of what they weren't able to figure out 86 00:08:34,586 --> 00:08:39,262 and it was basically Wes Anderson movies. 87 00:08:39,262 --> 00:08:44,030 How would you characterize a Wes Anderson movie? 88 00:08:44,030 --> 00:08:50,677 It's not very plot-driven, it's driven by voice and by character. 89 00:08:50,677 --> 00:08:56,041 So, what's the contemporary novel 90 00:08:56,041 --> 00:09:02,148 other than a not particularly plot-driven thing, driven by voice and character? 91 00:09:02,148 --> 00:09:06,560 So basically novels break algorithms. 92 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:13,090 And when this guy who wrote the article interviewed one of the mathematicians 93 00:09:13,090 --> 00:09:16,228 -he was actually an organizational psychologist- 94 00:09:16,228 --> 00:09:24,203 he made a comment about media, and it was this comment here: 95 00:09:24,203 --> 00:09:28,473 "The 21st century is going to be about sorting demand..." 96 00:09:28,473 --> 00:09:38,150 because the supply side... the game is over, in a certain sense. 97 00:09:38,150 --> 00:09:43,523 The genie is out of the bottle. We're going to keep at least doubling, 98 00:09:43,523 --> 00:09:47,526 if not tripling or quadrupling the number of books published 99 00:09:47,526 --> 00:09:51,516 in the English language on this planet every year. 100 00:09:51,516 --> 00:09:57,707 And even in everyone here in this room said: "We won't be a part of it, we won't do it," everybody else will. 101 00:09:57,707 --> 00:10:01,208 So this is happening. So how do we respond? 102 00:10:01,208 --> 00:10:07,555 How do we manage risk now that we cannot manage it by controlling supply? 103 00:10:07,555 --> 00:10:12,493 It's going to be demand, obviously. 104 00:10:12,493 --> 00:10:22,706 What can we do, therefore, to manage demand? 105 00:10:22,706 --> 00:10:31,797 One of the main things we did in the United States over the last decade was pray for Oprah. 106 00:10:31,797 --> 00:10:37,243 She doesn't have the same effect here, I know, 107 00:10:37,243 --> 00:10:40,746 but there's Canada Reads, right? 108 00:10:40,746 --> 00:10:48,933 I saw a woman on the plane yesterday reading Lawrence Hill with a Canada Reads sticker on it. 109 00:10:48,933 --> 00:10:57,397 Oprah's genius, though... -we used to think of her as the patron saint of publishing in a certain sense- 110 00:10:57,397 --> 00:11:03,068 but I want to propose what I think is a relatively radical notion about Oprah, 111 00:11:03,068 --> 00:11:08,908 which is that she needed books more than books needed her. 112 00:11:08,908 --> 00:11:14,780 Because Oprah was in the broadcast business. 113 00:11:14,780 --> 00:11:20,318 And the broadcast business is not really a very good business to be in. 114 00:11:20,318 --> 00:11:22,997 It's one-way communication. 115 00:11:22,997 --> 00:11:32,114 And Oprah had an hour a day, at most, with her audience, 116 00:11:32,114 --> 00:11:35,835 and it was a one-way conversation. 117 00:11:35,835 --> 00:11:43,175 So how does she own her audience all their waking hours seven days a week? 118 00:11:43,175 --> 00:11:45,488 How does she get into their heads? 119 00:11:45,488 --> 00:11:47,996 How does she get mindshare? 120 00:11:47,996 --> 00:11:51,050 She starts a book club. 121 00:11:51,050 --> 00:11:56,956 Books are cultural objects that take fifteen hours to read, 122 00:11:56,956 --> 00:12:01,193 fifteen hours of another person's voice inside your head, 123 00:12:01,193 --> 00:12:07,562 and so the commonality between two people who've read the same book 124 00:12:07,562 --> 00:12:19,787 is a profound and deep intervention. 125 00:12:19,787 --> 00:12:36,088 The genius of Oprah was to use the book as the platform to own her audience. 126 00:12:36,088 --> 00:12:40,267 So if we actually get to be in the book business 127 00:12:40,267 --> 00:12:45,938 the book business where you are inside a person's head for fifteen hours 128 00:12:45,938 --> 00:12:51,657 and you own that proxy object, that cultural proxy object, 129 00:12:51,657 --> 00:12:58,751 that connects two people to one another in a deeper deeper way than any other media 130 00:12:58,751 --> 00:13:03,177 then you've got something going for you, 131 00:13:03,177 --> 00:13:06,494 you've got something really really deep going for you. 132 00:13:06,494 --> 00:13:16,290 About two years ago I had lunch with a guy called Michael Cader, 133 00:13:16,290 --> 00:13:20,470 who runs a newsletter called Publishers Lunch in the US, 134 00:13:20,470 --> 00:13:26,582 and he said to me at one point, our business, our industry... 135 00:13:26,582 --> 00:13:33,766 (you'll see the slides go a little faster than I go, 136 00:13:33,766 --> 00:13:37,190 consider that they took their beta-blockers and I didn't) 137 00:13:37,190 --> 00:13:48,656 Michael said to me: we're a tiny industry perched atop a massive hobby. 138 00:13:48,656 --> 00:13:57,198 And so I submit to you in that sense that what Bob alluded to in the Q&A earlier 139 00:13:57,198 --> 00:14:06,118 the person who's going to self-publish their memoir on a Espresso machine in a bookstore 140 00:14:06,118 --> 00:14:16,894 that's the bottom, that's the massive pyramid, that's the industry 141 00:14:16,894 --> 00:14:25,227 if we only stick to the little triangle on top, and functioning as gatekeepers, 142 00:14:25,227 --> 00:14:32,228 deciding which of the hobby bit stuff reaches the little triangle on top, 143 00:14:32,228 --> 00:14:36,681 then we're going to be stuck in managing the supply side, 144 00:14:36,681 --> 00:14:41,057 whereas if we can engage with the entire pyramid, 145 00:14:41,057 --> 00:14:47,092 with the whole hobby, then we're in the business of managing demand 146 00:14:47,092 --> 00:14:55,161 which is a somewhat sexier area to be in. 147 00:15:02,536 --> 00:15:11,383 As I moved into my post-Softskull life, a year ago, when I resigned from Softskull 148 00:15:11,413 --> 00:15:14,755 a number of writers would come to me and say: 149 00:15:14,755 --> 00:15:17,237 How do I get published? 150 00:15:17,237 --> 00:15:21,730 They felt more comfortable asking me now that I didn't have any direct influence 151 00:15:21,730 --> 00:15:24,030 in whether they would get published. 152 00:15:24,030 --> 00:15:26,431 And I told them the things I think a lot of editors here, 153 00:15:26,431 --> 00:15:29,149 when they're on pannels, talking to would-be writers say 154 00:15:29,149 --> 00:15:33,041 and agents would also say 155 00:15:33,041 --> 00:15:37,143 which is: "You should submit your stuff to literary journals, 156 00:15:37,143 --> 00:15:41,688 check out your favorite author's blog, comment on it 157 00:15:41,688 --> 00:15:45,083 go to reading series, apply to reading series, 158 00:15:45,083 --> 00:15:50,674 go to writers retreats, participate in your community." 159 00:15:50,674 --> 00:15:56,342 I explained that has the opportunity to increase serendipity. 160 00:15:56,342 --> 00:16:00,933 An agent might discover you, an editor might discover you. 161 00:16:00,933 --> 00:16:04,603 But I realized over the last year, as I was telling them this, 162 00:16:04,603 --> 00:16:08,855 that that wasn't really the reason they should do it. 163 00:16:08,855 --> 00:16:13,780 The reason they should do it is that it would make them happy. 164 00:16:13,780 --> 00:16:21,886 Because I saw what happened when I published writers in the conventional way in which we do. 165 00:16:21,886 --> 00:16:29,204 We edit, design, print, ship, shelve their books. 166 00:16:29,204 --> 00:16:33,665 The moment they're shelved, the post-partum depression kicks in. 167 00:16:33,665 --> 00:16:42,684 They're not happy being published, in the sense of the publishing supply chain. 168 00:16:42,684 --> 00:16:46,733 They want to connect. 169 00:16:46,733 --> 00:17:01,231 And that is in a certain sense the massive sidetrack that we've gone on in the publishing industry 170 00:17:01,231 --> 00:17:08,728 where we've allowed ourselves to believe that being published is the thing, is the end, 171 00:17:08,728 --> 00:17:12,150 and it is a means to an end. 172 00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:17,610 The end being happiness, the end being connection. 173 00:17:17,610 --> 00:17:22,102 We're in the writer-reader connection business, 174 00:17:22,102 --> 00:17:27,753 and the fact that we build this elaborate supply chain to effectuate that 175 00:17:27,753 --> 00:17:33,962 does not mean that we have to remain prisoners of that supply chain 176 00:17:33,962 --> 00:17:38,324 if it is not effectively connecting writers and readers, 177 00:17:38,324 --> 00:17:44,470 or, to frame it more possitively, only to the extent that it enables us 178 00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:54,936 to best connect writer and reader should we be using the supply chain that we have constructed. 179 00:17:59,644 --> 00:18:03,611 The slide that I just put up is something I'm sharing with you, 180 00:18:03,611 --> 00:18:08,093 I'm in the middle of launching a startup called Cursor 181 00:18:08,093 --> 00:18:13,698 and, when you do startups in this day and age, you do a lot of slides, 182 00:18:13,698 --> 00:18:16,698 you do a deck, they call it. 183 00:18:16,698 --> 00:18:21,406 A guy called Guy Kawasaki says "ten slides". This is one of the ten slides. 184 00:18:21,406 --> 00:18:27,646 No one's seen this yet, other than a couple of venture capitalists, and my co-founder. 185 00:18:27,646 --> 00:18:34,644 But it is a way to try to describe the economic logic of what I'm saying to you. 186 00:18:34,644 --> 00:18:39,925 In interesting ways it reflects something that Bob already alluded to. 187 00:18:39,925 --> 00:18:49,064 Basically, it's a demand curve, 188 00:18:49,064 --> 00:18:53,322 and it basically says that a demand for a given writer, 189 00:18:53,322 --> 00:18:59,957 one person will pay ten grand, or a thousand grand, to have them wash a toilet, 190 00:18:59,957 --> 00:19:04,502 to connect with a writer or artist in some personal way, 191 00:19:04,502 --> 00:19:09,440 and then there's maybe ten thousand people who will pay a buck to connect with that writer 192 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,895 let's say, with a digital download. 193 00:19:11,895 --> 00:19:14,926 And the demand curve basically is everything in between. 194 00:19:14,926 --> 00:19:19,098 And we in the publishing business, because we got so addicted to our supply chain, 195 00:19:19,098 --> 00:19:22,635 have only ever captured the value 196 00:19:22,635 --> 00:19:27,706 under that demand curve that lies between 10 and $30, 197 00:19:27,706 --> 00:19:31,443 and we've let everything else on the table, 198 00:19:31,443 --> 00:19:37,600 we have no products under $10, and we have no products above $30, 199 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,779 so whether there might be people willing to pay $1000 to connect to our writer, 200 00:19:41,779 --> 00:19:47,093 we haven't figured out a way to get those other $970 from them 201 00:19:47,093 --> 00:19:50,791 and we refuse to supply them with stuff for a dollar, 202 00:19:50,791 --> 00:19:56,643 in the belief that all these products are completely interchangeable, 203 00:19:56,643 --> 00:20:01,475 whereas pretty much humans beings have shown in every area 204 00:20:01,475 --> 00:20:05,577 from fashion and cosmetics to furniture 205 00:20:05,577 --> 00:20:10,115 that we don't actually consider these things interchangeable at all. 206 00:20:10,115 --> 00:20:13,413 That we buy paperbacks because we buy paperbacks, 207 00:20:13,413 --> 00:20:15,921 and we buy digital objects because we buy digital objects 208 00:20:15,921 --> 00:20:21,860 and we go to dinner parties with Paul Auster because we want to go to a dinner party with Paul Auster 209 00:20:21,860 --> 00:20:29,535 and a digital download is not a substitute for the $250 Pen Awards gala ceremony with Paul Auster. 210 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:38,076 So the only way we are going to be able to effectively get out from under the supply chain we've created 211 00:20:38,076 --> 00:20:42,899 is discover all the other value that exists under the demand curve, 212 00:20:42,915 --> 00:20:49,155 that is there either being fed in a half-assed way by MFA programs 213 00:20:49,155 --> 00:20:54,626 or for-profit writing centers, or bittorrent. 214 00:20:55,718 --> 00:20:59,031 But it's going to get supplied by somebody 215 00:20:59,031 --> 00:21:03,072 and, for our sakes, it better be publishers, 216 00:21:03,072 --> 00:21:09,641 if you're interested in finding out more about this particular endeavor, 217 00:21:09,672 --> 00:21:13,835 this Cursor endeavor, you can go to ThinkCursor.com 218 00:21:13,835 --> 00:21:16,748 and just stick in your email address. 219 00:21:19,825 --> 00:21:23,956 This here takes a lot of work to do in PowerPoint. 220 00:21:28,479 --> 00:21:33,465 And it's there because I believe that our industry has to face the same thing 221 00:21:33,465 --> 00:21:37,208 that we ask our authors to face, 222 00:21:37,223 --> 00:21:42,857 they have to face the blank page with the blinking cursor 223 00:21:42,857 --> 00:21:45,343 and we need to do that too. 224 00:21:45,343 --> 00:21:47,493 Thank you very much. 225 00:21:57,761 --> 00:22:06,423 I'm happy to answer less abstract questions than the much more 30000-feet-style-thing that I just did. 226 00:22:08,177 --> 00:22:16,029 All those questions that you asked Bob, I was like, I have to ask me something like that 227 00:22:20,275 --> 00:22:24,816 I could just start answering some questions. 228 00:22:24,816 --> 00:22:25,316 I will throw out one thought, in relation to enhanced books. 229 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:41,000 I lean towards the "enhanced digital books are the CD-ROMs" 230 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,705 there's absolutely no evidence that there's any demand for them 231 00:22:45,705 --> 00:22:55,648 if there were, people have been making pictures out of words for a very very very long time 232 00:22:55,648 --> 00:23:01,453 yet we still read long-form text-only narrative. 233 00:23:02,238 --> 00:23:11,630 The absence of audio and video in text-only long-form narrative is a feature not a bug, 234 00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:22,148 and thus far it's been treated as a bug by people who have basically hammers 235 00:23:22,148 --> 00:23:29,448 and if that's the only tool you have, then you see an enhanced ebook, 236 00:23:29,448 --> 00:23:37,273 which is not to say that there isn't a role for video and audio in relation to text, 237 00:23:37,273 --> 00:23:40,395 but that's called a website. 238 00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:45,765 Creating something that downloads is going to be kind of pointless 239 00:23:45,765 --> 00:23:50,001 in a universe of 4 and 5G and Wi-Max 240 00:23:50,001 --> 00:23:55,841 already there's 4G in Stockholm that works 60 feet below... in tunnels 60 feet under the ground 241 00:23:55,841 --> 00:24:02,481 So we're going to be in a universe of completely pervasive always-on connectivity 242 00:24:02,481 --> 00:24:07,653 where text and image and sound will work together in a device, 243 00:24:07,653 --> 00:24:14,893 so the notion that we have to bundle it together into a downloadable file seems... 244 00:24:14,893 --> 00:24:20,866 Bob says it's only ($)10000, but only 10000 is only 10000 if your marketplace is the United States 245 00:24:20,866 --> 00:24:26,162 10000 is not an "only" number for a Canadian independent publisher. 246 00:24:26,275 --> 00:24:34,946 So my little advice there is don't waste money on elaborate video in relation to text, 247 00:24:34,946 --> 00:24:37,216 just make a website. 248 00:24:39,939 --> 00:24:43,493 Are there non-imaginary questions? Shawn, thank you 249 00:24:43,493 --> 00:24:47,542 [Q: Can you talk about Print-On-Demand, Publishing 3.0, 250 00:24:47,542 --> 00:24:51,278 and the opportunity to explore under-served, unknown markets through digital?] 251 00:24:54,432 --> 00:24:58,775 My belief is that if you're in the demand management business 252 00:24:58,775 --> 00:25:01,017 then you've got to own the community. 253 00:25:01,194 --> 00:25:03,408 There's just no other way around it 254 00:25:03,408 --> 00:25:06,742 the price of digital content is going to zero 255 00:25:06,742 --> 00:25:08,546 it has already in music 256 00:25:08,546 --> 00:25:10,870 you can get any song you want for free 257 00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:14,605 and at a certain point you'll be able to get any text you want for free 258 00:25:14,605 --> 00:25:18,315 it's just not going to not happen 259 00:25:18,315 --> 00:25:21,693 and it's delusional to think it's not going to happen simply because it hasn't happened yet 260 00:25:21,693 --> 00:25:27,133 the only extent to which it has not happened is frankly lack of demand 261 00:25:27,133 --> 00:25:34,906 as Bob pointed out, 2000 pirated whatevers is a good sign, it means somebody wants the damn thing 262 00:25:34,906 --> 00:25:40,545 most of our problem in the publishing industry it's been people don't want the things that we create 263 00:25:40,545 --> 00:25:47,320 So the price of digital content is going to zero, so how the hell do you make money? 264 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,740 Well, you make money by owning the community. 265 00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:51,656 How are you going to make money under that demand curve? 266 00:25:51,656 --> 00:25:58,496 You've got to own the community. You've got to know who's going to pay the ten grand to take a workshop 267 00:25:58,496 --> 00:26:02,468 a personal tutorial with Miriam Toews, 268 00:26:04,514 --> 00:26:11,004 People are already doing this. The British publisher Faber has launched something called "Faber Academy" 269 00:26:11,004 --> 00:26:16,115 which is basically Faber writers teaching writing workshops. 270 00:26:16,115 --> 00:26:20,920 Miriam Toews is going to be the first writer doing that in Canada. 271 00:26:23,012 --> 00:26:28,767 That works, Faber is a brand, people think: "'Faber Academy', I want to write like a Faber author" 272 00:26:28,767 --> 00:26:31,263 therefore there they go. 273 00:26:31,263 --> 00:26:38,136 So it's by really establishing mindshare over your audience, 274 00:26:38,136 --> 00:26:44,343 either at the level of the author, which would be the case of blockbuster publishing, 275 00:26:44,343 --> 00:26:49,515 with the Gary Vaynerchuks and up, where he's got mindshare of his audience. 276 00:26:49,515 --> 00:26:52,985 Or if you're not in that business, if you're not in the blockbuster business, 277 00:26:52,985 --> 00:26:56,222 everything below that, everything midlist and below, 278 00:26:56,222 --> 00:26:59,091 you're going to have to basically circle everybody together, 279 00:26:59,091 --> 00:27:06,631 and cluster everybody together, so that you can really get to learn who the hell is reading these books. 280 00:27:07,693 --> 00:27:11,470 The role of POD [Print-On-Demand] in that? It's a tool 281 00:27:13,132 --> 00:27:16,708 It's certainly a tool for reducing your working capital outlay, 282 00:27:16,708 --> 00:27:20,646 to the extent that you're still participating in the supply chain 283 00:27:20,646 --> 00:27:31,748 and it's also a tool... You could say a 25-copy artisanally-made limited edition 284 00:27:31,748 --> 00:27:37,600 that you've printed the 25 copies of because you've already got 25 credit card numbers 285 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,831 and you're going to charge them 250 bucks 286 00:27:39,831 --> 00:27:44,809 because the author is going to put his bloody thumbprint on the title page 287 00:27:46,117 --> 00:27:48,673 is a kind of Print-On-Demand. 288 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:58,149 I know almost everybody in this room has to think very concretely about what do you do tonight, 289 00:27:58,149 --> 00:28:01,286 what do you do tomorrow to address some of these things? 290 00:28:01,286 --> 00:28:10,161 But I also urge you to be able to step back and think about the business you're in, 291 00:28:10,161 --> 00:28:14,432 so that you can make choices about which of these tools to use 292 00:28:14,432 --> 00:28:19,605 because otherwise you're just throwing a bunch of tools against the wall and seeing what sticks 293 00:28:19,605 --> 00:28:23,901 and that's not going to work any better than throwing all the books against the wall to see what sticks. 294 00:28:26,007 --> 00:28:31,250 So Print-On-Demand can mean two very different things to very different publishers. 295 00:28:32,819 --> 00:28:37,225 The trick is: who am I selling the book to? 296 00:28:37,856 --> 00:28:43,533 Who am I connecting this writer I represent with? 297 00:28:44,087 --> 00:28:49,068 [Q: Do you consider this a marketing or a publishing strategy?] 298 00:28:49,699 --> 00:28:52,938 It's a complete business strategy. 299 00:28:52,938 --> 00:28:56,075 It is the business you're in. 300 00:29:03,805 --> 00:29:10,188 It always used to bug me when people announced they had open online marketing departments 301 00:29:10,188 --> 00:29:14,326 because I was wondering what the offline marketing department was doing. 302 00:29:14,326 --> 00:29:18,130 It couldn't be anything terribly useful, 303 00:29:18,130 --> 00:29:23,604 if it was going to be separated from how people spend half their lives. 304 00:29:23,604 --> 00:29:30,031 Most of their reading life, our text-processing life. 305 00:29:31,323 --> 00:29:35,542 I think you have to think about it in profoundly integrated ways. 306 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,968 In other words, your act of publishing is an act of marketing. 307 00:29:43,491 --> 00:29:50,930 My business is perceived -to some degree by outsiders- as a digital-only business, let's say, this Cursor model 308 00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:54,966 and it takes a while to point out to people why I'm being distributed by Publishers Group West 309 00:29:54,966 --> 00:29:57,436 and Publishers Group Canada 310 00:29:57,436 --> 00:30:00,986 These communities are going to produce books that are going to go through the supply chain 311 00:30:00,986 --> 00:30:04,460 why am I doing that? I'm not doing that to make money. 312 00:30:04,460 --> 00:30:06,878 One of the ways in which I tested my business plan was 313 00:30:06,878 --> 00:30:13,953 I took all the non-publishing-supply-chain revenues out of it, and costs out of it 314 00:30:13,953 --> 00:30:17,861 and I discovered I had in the business plan operating margins of 3%, 315 00:30:17,861 --> 00:30:25,030 so I'm like, ok, this model clearly works, because we know that's true. 316 00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:36,826 I'm doing it because 500 heavily-trafficked-by-book-reading-people bricks-and-mortar retail locations 317 00:30:36,826 --> 00:30:43,081 around the country, where I can put a 6 by 9 inch ad about the book and the community for free 318 00:30:43,081 --> 00:30:46,883 is not something I intend to give up very likely. 319 00:30:46,883 --> 00:30:52,630 Publishing is a marketing strategy for an owner of a community. 320 00:30:55,076 --> 00:30:58,664 Publishing is a marketing strategy for the Daily Beast, 321 00:30:58,664 --> 00:31:02,068 this website that Tina Brown has set up in the United States. 322 00:31:02,068 --> 00:31:05,336 She's going to do publishing. She's not going to make money publishing, 323 00:31:05,336 --> 00:31:08,905 but she's going to build brand equity for the Daily Beast publishing. 324 00:31:11,443 --> 00:31:15,848 A lot of people who own communities, knitting, fly-fishing, 325 00:31:15,848 --> 00:31:18,386 paranormal romance, whatever the community is, 326 00:31:18,386 --> 00:31:24,354 they're going to start publishing, because that's a way for them to build brand equity, 327 00:31:24,646 --> 00:31:28,193 and for them publishing is marketing, 328 00:31:28,655 --> 00:31:32,298 That's the kind of conceptual challenge that we face. 329 00:31:32,298 --> 00:31:37,970 You're not going to face it tomorrow, or the day after, but that is the challenge we face, 330 00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:42,741 and I know this sounds very abstract, but when we think of this topic, 331 00:31:42,741 --> 00:31:45,778 this "Calculated Risk", effectively what we are saying is that 332 00:31:45,778 --> 00:31:51,906 it is too risky not to completely reconceive our business. 333 00:31:52,468 --> 00:31:56,988 That's where the risk lies, it's in remaining siloed, 334 00:31:56,988 --> 00:32:01,293 remaining in the manufacturing business. 335 00:32:01,293 --> 00:32:06,965 We are in an intellectual property business where almost our entire cost basis is based in manufacturing. 336 00:32:07,642 --> 00:32:15,106 if you look at the markup on shoes, farmaceuticals, anything, 337 00:32:15,106 --> 00:32:20,088 the markup that everybody else gets to put over the manufacturing bit of the business 338 00:32:20,088 --> 00:32:23,902 is so much greater than what we do in publishing 339 00:32:23,902 --> 00:32:26,122 and we are in the pure intellectual property business. 340 00:32:26,860 --> 00:32:32,496 When I say content isn't king, culture is, that's what I'm trying to get at, 341 00:32:32,496 --> 00:32:38,713 that the container, the cultural artifact, the object itself, isn't what we are doing 342 00:32:38,713 --> 00:32:42,568 it's the connection between people that that object enables, 343 00:32:42,568 --> 00:32:48,373 whether that person is a writer or a reader, or a reader and a reader, or a writer and a writer. 344 00:32:48,788 --> 00:32:52,580 [Q: Does asking writers to start selling something other than their writing 345 00:32:52,580 --> 00:32:55,225 undermine our commodity (writing as culture)?] 346 00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:06,560 Pulped-wood bound in cardboard isn't culture, the words in it are the culture. 347 00:33:07,606 --> 00:33:11,552 It's no more cultural than a t-shirt. 348 00:33:20,383 --> 00:33:23,637 I'm not suggesting the we abandon it, 349 00:33:24,591 --> 00:33:31,193 but I've been chatting with a number of writers... 350 00:33:31,193 --> 00:33:33,910 I mean, I get what you are trying to get at, 351 00:33:33,910 --> 00:33:40,663 are we distracting writers from the pure process of creativity 352 00:33:40,663 --> 00:33:47,493 and turning them into product shells?, the cruder way of summarizing that. 353 00:33:47,493 --> 00:33:49,531 And I have two observations about that 354 00:33:49,531 --> 00:33:55,375 one is that there is no writer happier than the writer who is not writing. 355 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:03,648 Beckett, the greatest sort of allegedly antisocial curmudgeon of all time, 356 00:34:03,648 --> 00:34:12,023 wrote plays and TV scenarios and radio stuff so that he could get out of the house. 357 00:34:12,023 --> 00:34:18,898 Writers actually want to connect, they don't like spending three years stuck in the attic, 358 00:34:18,898 --> 00:34:21,766 they like getting out, they like connecting, 359 00:34:21,766 --> 00:34:26,442 they may be erratic about doing it or may be scared because they're not used to it 360 00:34:26,442 --> 00:34:30,517 but engaging with the readers is what writers want, 361 00:34:30,517 --> 00:34:34,913 so we're not forcing them to do something that is absolutely alien to them 362 00:34:34,913 --> 00:34:38,902 and it is also the case that, prior to Gutenberg, 363 00:34:38,902 --> 00:34:47,326 culture thrived, poets were allowed to run around and sing for their supper, 364 00:34:47,326 --> 00:34:51,496 and that worked reasonably well, 365 00:34:51,496 --> 00:34:56,735 so assuming that the physical book is the only conceivable incarnation 366 00:34:56,735 --> 00:35:03,403 for the writer-reader connection is, I think, a mistake. 367 00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,546 They want to connect. 368 00:35:08,715 --> 00:35:13,551 I'm... Time. Thank you very much.