120308 コミュニティ・パワー会議セッション3 地域と世界のネットワーク / 総括コメント

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It is time now, so I would like to start
the last session, the session 3.
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In this session we would like to discuss under the title of local and global networks.
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I would like Mr. José Etcheverry to give a presentation
for 20 minutes first as the preceding sessions.
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Then, we hope to have discussions with all speakers from overseas
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and Ms Hattori from Shizuoka Prefecture
who are starting her efforts there now.
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First I would like to introduce José. He is originally from Chile
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and is an assistant professor at York University in Canada now.
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He has very strong connections with key person in this field of renewable energy,
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such as Hermann Scheer of Germany
who had passed away already unfortunately
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and Preben Maegaard of Denmark.
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He had incorporated the mechanisms
of policies in Ontario
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by political movement and through networks
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and was instrumental to the realization
of the state-level feed-in tariffs
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which was the first feed-in in North America actually
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as Stefan mentioned earlier.
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Please welcome José.
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Thank you, José.
Now I would like to enter the panel discussion.
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Until the panelists are ready, why don't you have a talk with the next person about the keynote.
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I would like to start the last session.
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Panelists are José Etcheverry who have given the keynote of this session,
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Søren and Stefan who also have given keynotes in the other sessions
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and lastly Ms Hattori who aims to become a coordinator
of the region's renewable energy
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in the work of Climate Action Center in Shizuoka.
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I would like to go forward with that.
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Firstly, we would like Stefan to talk
about what the network is like actually
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and also to talk with what kind of networks
he is connected with people here on stage
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or to what networks he is affiliated
not only worldwide but also domestic or local.
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He kindly talked much more than expected.
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Søren, tell us with what networks you are connected to the guys on stage now
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and what networks you have back in Samsø?
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Could you talk about it to have the audience
capture the concrete image of those?
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Ten years ago, after having read a book
titled 'Energy Democracy' written by Mr. Iida,
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I flew (to the island of Samsø) immediately.
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I was kindly allowed to attend the residents meeting at night.
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I was happy to know what democracy is really about.
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Yes, thank you very much.
Is anyone else been to Samsø here?
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It is still only two people so far.
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Then Ms Hattori, would you tell us
what networks have you come here today
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and about the network related situation in your region.
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Hello everyone.
I am from Shizuoka.
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My name is Hattori. We are on the board
of an NPO, the Earth Life Network.
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I has been working at the Climate Action Center in Shizuoka
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and engaged in projects for the reduction of greenhouse gasses.
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My first concern is to be connected with the people
in the region when working at the projects.
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There are also the other actors
like regional councils against global warming
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or the local governments for example.
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In addition, there are 180 committee members
for climate actions
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throughout the prefecture who educate people.
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We have been promoting public awareness,
making policy proposals or creating business plans
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for the reduction of greenhouse gases
to be connected to such people.
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I am working in Shizuoka City in Shizuoka Prefecture.
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Shizuoka Prefecture is long enough from east to west
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to accomodate four or five of
the Shinkansen stations in the prefecture.
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Of course, we cannot cover
the whole prefecture for the business
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to reduce greenhouse gas solely by ourselves.
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I think a very important with which people
we are connected to work in cooperation.
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We have a business of the prefectural residents
movement for the prevention of global warming
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which a big business for us
and it is in its sixth year now.
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There are a lot of efforts submitted to our office from
1300 teams and about 160,000 individuals.
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We have been doing a business
casting the collected information widely
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throughout the prefecture where we can find such efforts.
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We are operating in the executive committee
receiving sponsorship money
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from about 30 companies and organizations.
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In order to collect money we have to bear
the prefecture for operating activities.
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Because we collect money,
we have to give the performance.
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So we have been operating
while showing proven results.
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One of the reasons why I was invited here
is the fact that our business proposal was adopted
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by the Ministry of the Environment
as the comercialization of renewable energies
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in the regions mentioned earlier
by Mr. Shizawa from Odawara City.
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Those seven, adopted from 68 applicants,
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were from Hokkaido, Nagano, Odawara, Kohchi, Tokushima, Nagasaki and Shizuoka.
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They were all prefectures except Odawara which is a city.
Efforts have already started in these seven areas.
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We are now beginning to implement
the commercialization plan supported by JREP.
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I have found something very interesting.
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In these seven regions are going
to start up community power
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and are going to pursue profits
as private companies.
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Normally when a company tries to make a profit,
it will make it secret.
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However, in case of Mr. Hara or Mr. Takemoto of Bizen,
they make it open
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and allow us to use their know-how
and even they give us other proposals as well.
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I was fortunate enough to make such a network
in which even as a private company can share know-how.
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I think this might become a new force
to change the society.
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Today, I am participating in this conference with the theme of network
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which I think is of large scale, I am still struggling to look for
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how to make local networks and how to seek
agreements with the local communities.
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When I was listening to Søren and Stefan,
I felt that we shared the same starting point.
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I hope I could come home to learn a lot today.
Thank you.
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We are doing it anyway in order.
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In this last session, I think I would rather do it interacting
with the floor after this.
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So I nominate a couple of people
to have them talk about the outer network
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because the stories on inner networks would overlap
with the participation part
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of the theme of the previous session.
I would like them to talk
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about how they have made
the best of their outer networks.
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Before doing it, José, would you like to introduce
the major networks around you?
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I think I'll have some people on the floor
introduce a little about what networks
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they have and how they utilize them.
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First Mr. Hara because I think,
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he is perhaps the most famous
in the field of community power in Japan.
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Would you introduce it briefly, Mr. Hara?
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It is the networks of Mr. Iida and of Mr. Suzuki
that supported the business of Iida City.
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I can say so without doubt.
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At first we have become connected with citizen investors
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and then with the people who have
supported the business
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including those of the local government.
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Then, we have been also connected
with other business people
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and further more, with the people who were
trying to do the same thing in other regions.
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These circles became larger. I think the word
'Public Person' was mentioned earlier.
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I have no intention to say I have been that
but those networks have educated me.
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Thank you. Do you still there, Mr. Takemoto?
Mr. Takemoto?
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Mr. Hara has kindly said everything I was going to say,
so it will have to be exactly the same thing,
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but it is the fact that people from ISEP and
much more various people gave us various knowledge
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and wisdom that made us
possible to start the business.
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Exactly the same scheme was not applicable to Bizen, Okayama,
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so we have done our best sincerely
to find what could be done.
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Public mind, business sense and trust
in the region have been discussed so far,
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but it is difficulst to have public mind
and it is prone to act in one's self-interest.
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A lot of people from large companies have business sense,
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but there must be the ones who does their best
for the region disregarding their self-interest.
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We need a new network with those people.
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We could earn trust gradually
in the region by doing so.
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Fortunately I was invited to this conference today,
and we receive visiters recently from all over the country,
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from north to south, such as from Hokkaido
and from Satsuma-Sendai.
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Networks with those communities are expanding rapidly.
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As mentioned by Ms Hattori earlier,
I talk with our younger staff
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that we would like to open the information
on what we have achieved so far.
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At the same time, we always try to be
half step ahead from the rest of us.
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Because no one could catch us up
if we were one step ahead.
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They would give up following us
while saying it is quite amazing.
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So we make it possible by being half a step ahead.
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This might make new cooperation with them possibile,
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and I would like to continue to make
such efforts from now on also.
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Thank you. One more person.
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Japan's first citizen windmill was named by collecting
publicly from the local elementary school pupils.
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And all the citizen windmills have their names
and are loved in the regions. This is very similar.
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It became a little more visible that the word 'network'
means in the world of renewable energy
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and how it is functioning
through the cases mentioned.
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Ms Hattori, you were just wondering
in the speakers' room
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how to make those global networks.
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Do you have anything to ask three of them?
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Sorry for this really simple question.
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We would appreciate it if you would tell me
with what kind of members you are working.
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I see. I think we could see
the abundance of each network
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and a very interesting aspects now.
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According to the discussion so far,
character of network is,
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although Stefan has mentioned 'institutionalized',
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it is open compared to organizations
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but closed compared to the state
sharing nothing, in other words,
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not too organized but closed in terms of
sharing common interest.
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It is very delicate but interesting.
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On networks sit people and information,
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or people are keystones of networks
and information sits on them.
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As mentioned earlier, when something starts,
as in the of Mr. Hara or Mr. Takemoto,
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they have made the best of networks and
networks have made those encounters happen
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and as a reslt, networks evolve rapidly.
It is also another interesting aspect of network.
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Now I would like to hear
from the people on the floor
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who are going to make such networks.
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What they think they want to do. We are going to hear from one of the panelists first.
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What was your name? Yes, from Mr. Shizawa
from Odawara City followed by Ms Tamiya. Please.
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The situation of Odawara is like
just having come at the starting point.
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One of the members of the council is trying to think
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of developing network of renewable energy in throughout the country.
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Though I thought he was too hasty a little.
Having heard the story so far today,
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I have got an impression that
what we are trying to do
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would be rather what lies
somewhere ahead of new relationships
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than an extension of
the existing social infrastructure.
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It is only abstract terms,
but I was able to realize
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that it was necessary
to make something unique to Japan.
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I would like people of ISEP who had
local information throughout the country
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to play a central role to make such a strong network
to promote lateral relationships. I hope it.
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But the ball came back here.
Ms Tamiya, please.
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There are two to say.
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For one thing, I was very happy to talk with Søren, Stefan
and José yesterday and thought very much
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that it was important rather to bring up the culture in the region
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than to refer to the best practices in the world.
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As the Academy mentioned, I would like to act locally
to organize to connect young people directly in the region
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such as I mentioned earlier not only in terms
of energy but also of in terms of culture
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consulting people in the region and thinking locally.
I was happy to have such an opportunity to notice that.
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In addition, I noticed this
while listening to Søren mention networks
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related to cultural similarities
among nordic countries.
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Applying it to our situation, we could make new networks
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not limited to Akita Prefectures
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but among much wider neighboring
regions to exchange information
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when there come out successful cases
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or to learn each other or to help each other,
which does not exist at the moment.
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What has become necessary
after 3.11 last year is still
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that the less affected regions in Tohoku area
would help more impacted regions.
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I thought I would continue to do
such things in the long run.
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A few words from Mr. Ida
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Sorry, we do not have much time.
Let me talk briefly.
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My name is Ida from Kyodo News.
I went to Samsø and wrote articles.
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One of my friends called Ms. Matsumura there
were working on a project of this translation ("Energy Island").
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It was only by chance. It is really interesting
that a network have made this happen by chance
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and I am very happy that I have had
a chance to do this work.
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Network makes unexpected things happen successively.
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It will spread rapidly in the form like this even though
it is a small project as Søren mentioned,
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What is happening now is there flow full of bad news
saying that the old energy system could not be changed.
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I think that the goodness of the network
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is that it could spread the fact that
things could have changed by doing this
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using various communication tools.
Thank you very much.
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Finally, we almost run out of time,
so one word from each of you
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about this network we have talked today.
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Firstly, Ms Hattori, a little bit about you learned
and you are going to do, please.
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Thanks for everything today,
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But it is exciting to know network is amazing,
of course, even though I thought I knew it.
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I think it is still too hard for us
to send something out to the world.
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By connecting information or correct data
of the world to the region in the form
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which is easy to understand like this book,
we could play a certain role.
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Among areas from Hokkaido to Kyushu,
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Shizuoka is right in the middle
and said to be very typical.
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It is often used as a test area for a new products.
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If it sells well in Shizuoka,
it would sell throughout Japan, too.
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So, to make this project a success,
which promote renewable energy
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receiving money of will from citizens in Shizuoka,
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I would like to think with people in the region
what we could and whom we could be connected with.
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I thought it again today. Thank you.
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I would like to close the session
where we have discussed
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with the theme of network
for about an hour and half.
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Even though network is abstract and
is also particularly in various forms,
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it is really essential
to make the energy of the region.
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It is in various forms and works in various level.
I think we could have shown that somehow.
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You might notice something,
could start something,
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we could be motivated or you can learn
things thanks to the network.
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Network is everywhere, in any field like in cartoons,
in games, even in the field of nuclear.
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Network in this area is perhaps different from that in other fields.
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Network in the field of renewable energy, as mentioned by José,
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is that of people of good will or of mission, like José
or others who have such things in common, I believe.
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I think it is very important.
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It is 20 years since Rio Summit this year.
It is Rio plus 20.
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20 years ago, it is said
'Think Globally, Act Locally',
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I am trying to make it popular personally now.
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'Network Globally', or 'Network Glocally'
might be better 'and Innovate Locally',
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Through the time of the 20 years, I think the time
has come to transform the region actually.
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Transforming the region in reality and connecting
with each other in the region and in the world.
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And I think we could get along with
everyone doing these things above.
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Thank you very much for your kind attention.
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Thank you very much, speakers.
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I would like to have the discussion
of today summarized at the end.
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We would like a comment
from Professor Funabashi,
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Director of Institute for Sustainability
Research and Education of Hosei University.
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I am Funabashi of Hosei University.
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I would like briefly to summarize it
in less than 15 minutes.
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I would like to introduce myself,
as other speakers did earlier.
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I specialize in environmental sociology,
social planning theory and organizational sociology.
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All these above are related to renewable energy.
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I myself has been investigating Rokkasho-mura,
Aomori Prefecture for more than 20 years
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since the bebinning of 1990s.
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People in Aomori Prefecture decisively elected a governor who advocated the construction of a nuclear reprocessing facility
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in the gubernatorial election in early 1990s.
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Anti-reprocessing movement has been crushed.
98:08 - 98:14

I could not stand it emotionally, so I made
a hand made 2.5 KW solar PV
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at home using parts purchased
in Akihabara in 1992.
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Nevertheless Professor Maruyama
and others have been doing serious efforts
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such as building a full-fledged citizen windmill in Aomori
without lowering the flag to criticize reprocessing issue.
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They have continued effors for
renewable energy not criticizing openly.
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The situation has now changed completely.
I am filled with deep emotion.
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I have been feeling renewable energy
would really becoming mainstream now.
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We have four points to note.
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For the first, Japanese society as a whole
has now entered the very significant turning point.
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I think people that if you remember
the situation in 1960s,
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you can recall that there was a major
shift through 1960s and 1970s.
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The pollution has escalated unprecedentedly in 1960s
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and neither the business community nor
the government have not changed their policies
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even though victims have raised their voices.
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Japan has changed drastically in 1970s.
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The central headquarters for
pollution control was organized
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and important polution related bills
were made in December, 1970
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and Environment Agency was
established in January, 1971.
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Social common sense has changed
drastically in just two years or so.
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Pollution prevention investment has increased
rapidly to up to several hundred billion yen.
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The intensification of pollution in the 1960s
followed by the change of policy in the 1970s
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which has been also affected by
Stockholm Conference in 1972 of the world.
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I think there was a dramatic turnaround
during that period.
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Japan came to such a major shift in 2011
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with the transformation analogous to those above.
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Mr. Hosaka pointed out earlier
that there might be a big change
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even though it does not seem to change.
I must truly agree with him.
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So this change is not a natural phenomenon
simply because we humans create a society
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and we change the society. It becomes a problem
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what and how we have to change
when the momentum to change has comes out.
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For the second thing, I want to tell
that a change has two requirements.
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Changes in social structure or
of the institutional structure,
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and subject formation or transformation
of the nature of the self.
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I want to comment that as the second big issue
what a challenge we have to accept
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in terms of transformation
of the formation of the self.
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There was a talk of networks.
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This is a very good point and
I want to take advantage of this.
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Cross-sectoral interaction is important
to make the best of networks.
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It is necessary to cope with the problems
in one's own field at which he or she is good
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as in the case to support
the earthquake-affected people or areas.
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For example, a journalist had supported the publication
of the translated book as Søren introduced.
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You don't have to do something bizarre at all.
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You can only act in the nearest place
where you have been well accustomed until now.
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I think it's important that every and each of us
continue to do what we have been doing until now
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and to create networks effectively
utilizing cross-sectoral interaction.
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When only a little more in-depth network theory,
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individuals and collectives become
the center of a network.
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I would like to note how import
the formation of the group is
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from the historical lesson of
the environmental movement.
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A major shift of environmental
policy in Japan is happend
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after the first blocking of the complex
by the residents opposition movement
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of Mishima, Shimizu and Numazu
in Shizuoka Prefecture in October, 1964.
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And the Special Committee for
Environmental Pollution Control to the Diet
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was formed in January, 1965 for the first time.
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Why did the movement of Numazu, Mishima
and Shimizu in Shizuoka Prefecture win
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and became a historical turning point.
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I once had a hearing from the parties.
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They said that they learned study meeting
was more important
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than anything else and that
study meeting was everything.
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Residents had gathered to discuss every day
or every week and shared the problem.
102:31 - 102:38

A source of the power of the citizens' movement was
study meeting, in other words, research meeting.
102:38 - 102:42

I found a combination of three elements
when I took a look at little further.
102:42 - 102:46

Study meeting, residents research
and residents media were the three of them.
102:46 - 102:49

They had their own media,
they could do their own investigation,
102:49 - 102:51

and they were doing study meeting.
102:51 - 102:55

These three elements had made
a major transformation happen
102:55 - 103:00

to change the history of the Mishima,
Numazu and Shimizu in Japan's society.
103:00 - 103:06

I think this combination of the three elements
is probably valid for renewable energy.
103:07 - 103:12

At the same time, the formation of individuals
to support such groups becomes necessary.
103:12 - 103:16

I think the age has come in Japan
of the formation of the public now,
103:16 - 103:19

of self-formation of the public.
103:19 - 103:24

I am very impressed today to have heard.
When we talk that individuals are important,
103:24 - 103:27

it does not mean those of the technical know-how
103:27 - 103:31

but those who organize the whole society well
103:31 - 103:35

without seeking self-interest
and who assemble the community.
103:35 - 103:40

Individuals of such a sense,
of the common sense or of a sense of ethics,
103:40 - 103:46

it has been repeatedly said that
it is important to form such individuals above.
103:46 - 103:49

I have a lot of sympathy with it.
103:49 - 103:52

As an individual, we should extend
the technical know-how to study,
103:53 - 103:57

but at the same time, you have to be a person
as a public with a sense of public
103:57 - 104:01

who holds study meetings
to form the subject groups.
104:02 - 104:07

And such various groups and individuals would form
networks as a cross-sectoral association.
104:07 - 104:12

This would certainly become a major
turning point If you form such entities.
104:13 - 104:18

I have to note that protecting the managerial
soundness and commercialism are different.
104:19 - 104:21

We should clearly know better this.
104:21 - 104:24

To expand the business while maintaining
the managerial soundness.
104:24 - 104:28

It is not a supremacy of profit, absolutely not,
not for personal greed.
104:29 - 104:33

That it is important to form
such a subject, as the second thing.
104:33 - 104:36

That was I felt listening
to the talk of everybody today.
104:36 - 104:42

For the third, the transformation of institutional
framework is important at the same time.
104:42 - 104:46

It gains a big momentum now and
I think one of its important conditions
104:46 - 104:51

is the introduction of feed-in tariffs by
the Special Measures Law of Renewable Energy.
104:51 - 104:57

To maintain well the institutional structure
of this FIT at the National level,
104:57 - 105:02

and to continue to operate well, that is
the challenge of the movement, I think.
105:02 - 105:08

And at the same time, either at the municipal level
or the prefectural level,
105:08 - 105:16

we have to implement mechanisms
to make the best of FIT of national level.
105:17 - 105:22

I visited Niseko Town recently,
they have been learning the practices in Akita.
105:23 - 105:29

And the argument has begun in Niseko
that they could implement mechanisms
105:29 - 105:34

that more than fifty percent of the investment of
a renewable energy project has to be of the local capital
105:34 - 105:38

and the profits can be returned to the region.
105:38 - 105:44

In that sense, to make institutional frameworks
to spread it further at local level
105:44 - 105:50

while maintaining well the framework of
the national level, it will be very important.
105:50 - 105:54

Even though I'm a little concerned at that time,
105:54 - 106:00

there are huge number of citizens
of goodwill throughout the country
106:00 - 106:04

working on the business of renewable energy.
They are everywhere.
106:04 - 106:08

Among them there is just a group of toddlers.
106:08 - 106:11

They are still short of experience of trial and error.
106:12 - 106:16

I want to continue managing
not to crush this momentum
106:16 - 106:19

that are erupting across the country.
106:20 - 106:25

To make it possible to sustain such businesses
even if they are weak and small, especially.
106:25 - 106:30

Renewable energy business might become
eventually a little oligopoly industry
106:30 - 106:32

if we made a little mistake.
106:32 - 106:35

This local movement, which
were born much trouble,
106:35 - 106:40

might not sustain and might desappear
in a short period of time.
106:40 - 106:42

I am a little worried about it.
106:42 - 106:48

In the mechanism of FIT,
price is going to be rounded down gradually.
106:48 - 106:51

I am not opposed to that itself
because there is rationality in it.
106:51 - 106:54

If the price of the FIT goes rounded down too rapidly
106:55 - 107:01

and if the business with scale merit and
small business without it would be treated equally,
107:01 - 107:06

it should be unbearable. It is necessary
to implement the institutional framework
107:06 - 107:10

both in local and national level
with tempo and consideration
107:10 - 107:15

for small businesses to be able to survive.
107:15 - 107:22

In much longer run, one thing
not mentioned today
107:22 - 107:25

which we might have to consider is a framework
of the direct transaction network
107:26 - 107:29

of green power out of the framework of FIT.
107:30 - 107:33

This could be an option.
107:33 - 107:37

It is a intermediate organization
to mediate the whole of the buyers
107:37 - 107:44

and the whole of the producers or
the sellers which trade green power
107:44 - 107:48

and which has reserve power source for balancing
107:48 - 107:52

in case prices of FIT are
rounded down much further.
107:52 - 107:56

Perhaps it is necessary to consider
in the medium-and long-term
107:56 - 107:59

such a institutional framework above.
107:59 - 108:01

We are not sure we could get along
only with feed-in tariffs.
108:02 - 108:06

I would like to pointed it out
because it has not much discussed today.
108:07 - 108:10

That are issues on institutional frameworks.
108:10 - 108:13

Last and for the fourth, we have to consider
108:14 - 108:23

what renewable energy technology means to us
and what kind of change we are facing.
108:23 - 108:29

I think nuclear power is not valid
since the Chernobyl accident.
108:29 - 108:35

From the viewpoint of environmental sociology nuclear is a reverse-linked technology.
108:35 - 108:39

It is a negative induction technology.
108:39 - 108:43

The more you pursue certain benefits,
the more negative ones,
108:44 - 108:48

such as pollution, contamination
or whatever we suffer from.
108:48 - 108:51

The more you pursuit of profit,
the more you suffer.
108:52 - 108:55

Building a nuclear power plant
would bring the seeds of discord
108:56 - 108:59

and conflict in our society.
108:59 - 109:05

On the other hand, renewable energy
is in principle a positive-linked technology.
109:05 - 109:09

It is a positive induction technology.
109:09 - 109:15

This means that beneficiaries seeking
could lead to shrinking of the gap
109:15 - 109:17

and to reducing the negative thing.
109:18 - 109:21

Renewable energy could be anti-global warming,
or could reduce the regional disparities,
109:21 - 109:25

but what makes it excellent and
attractive as a technology is the fact
109:25 - 109:34

that it is a positive induction technology.
I think we should regard this with confidence.
109:34 - 109:41

As José mentioned several times,
renewable energy is an absolute requirement
109:41 - 109:44

or one of the strategic pillar deals
to create a sustainable society.
109:44 - 109:48

Recycling is one of the strategic
requirements of sustainable society.
109:48 - 109:52

But Recycling itself consumes energy,
so we could achieve a sustainable society
109:52 - 109:56

not only with recycling but also renewable energy.
109:56 - 110:03

In that sense, we should realize first that
renewable energy is very important technology
110:03 - 110:08

to influence the future of the global community
although you might be aware of it.
110:08 - 110:14

It is important that what has become
an issue now is not mere technical choices.
110:14 - 110:19

Mechanism of political decision-making
on social matters has now become a problem.
110:19 - 110:24

I think it was an excellent idea to discuss a technology
in combination with democracy
110:25 - 110:29

as in the book 'Scandinavian Energy
Democracy' written by Mr. Iida.
110:30 - 110:34

In that sense, we could evolve the democracy
of Japanese society or make progress with it
110:35 - 110:40

by means of renewable energy.
We are facing this possibility.
110:41 - 110:44

I think It is a very important point.
110:44 - 110:49

We have been tackling
with the problem of the gap
110:49 - 110:52

between urban and rural areas
but could not have reduced it still.
110:53 - 110:58

It could not have been reduced
even with various government funds.
110:58 - 111:05

Regions rich with renewable energy could be
independent by making their own business of it
111:05 - 111:10

and could reduce the gap
with the metropolitan areas and
111:11 - 111:15

that would make a new solidarity
with the cities and the rural regions.
111:15 - 111:18

Then the cross-sectorial association
could affect the so-calld octpus pot
111:18 - 111:22

which is a very bad trait of Japanese society
octopus pot-based society.
111:22 - 111:26

I think the performance of the people
in Japanese society is very high.
111:26 - 111:31

They could get things done very precisely and perfectly
in a homogeneous and closed group,
111:31 - 111:35

but could not do it among different people
who could not communicate each other sufficiently.
111:36 - 111:39

We could make the best of renewable energy
by cross-sectorial associations.
111:39 - 111:42

In that sense, it might be one clue of overcoming
111:42 - 111:46

the vices of Japanese society
by topping the octopus pot.
111:46 - 111:51

At the same time, local municipalities
could become independent on their own.
111:52 - 111:55

I think there is such a big potentiality.
111:56 - 112:01

It is not merely a matter of changing
from nuclear power and fossil technologically.
112:02 - 112:06

They might be a large trigger for local residents
to create their own life
112:06 - 112:12

or to create a democratic society
in the fundamental sense.
112:13 - 112:21

I have said a lot of things so far
and I am very impressed by every speakers today.
112:21 - 112:26

So I have put together a little from
the sociological perspective.That is all.
112:33 - 112:36

Thank you, Professor Funabashi.
112:36 - 112:40

Lastly, from the organizer
of this conference, Mr. Iida,
112:40 - 112:43

Executive Director, Institute
for Sustainable Energy Policies,
112:43 - 112:46

There is a little announcement
in conjunction with today's talk
112:46 - 112:49

about the future activities of the ISEP.
113:10 - 113:13

Thank you for a really great summary,
Professor Funabashi.
113:14 - 113:17

What Professor Funabashi have said
is a great summary
113:18 - 113:20

of the whole discussions of
the conference today, I think.
113:20 - 113:29

I think there were some messages
of hope to the ISEP today.
113:29 - 113:32

So I would like talk a bit about our activities
we are trying to start from in this coming April,
113:32 - 113:36

which is our next fiscal year,
even it is still in the conceptual level yet,
113:36 - 113:48

inspired by Samsø Energy Academy of Søren
and in cooperation with it,
113:48 - 113:51

and also in cooperation with today's other speakers, José or Stefan,
113:52 - 113:56

and others from the Free University of Berlin
113:56 - 114:00

and from the network in the world
doing the ground work
114:00 - 114:06

or a bottom-up activity of
down-to-earth in the world,
114:06 - 114:11

and from domestic areas,
114:11 - 114:18

in cooperation with four speakers of today,
114:18 - 114:27

Ms Misaki in the morning, Mr. Shizawa,
Ms Tamiya and Ms Hattori
114:27 - 114:34

from networks of seven domestic areas
which started last year,
114:35 - 114:40

and with Mr. Suzuki, Mr. Hara
and Mr. Takemoto of Bizen,
114:41 - 114:46

and others from Toyama, Takayama
or from elsewhere doing regional energies,
114:46 - 114:53

we would like to start ISEP Energy Academy.
114:53 - 115:01

There come out people sailing out
in this field in Japan
115:01 - 115:06

as Professor Funabashi mentioned earlier
115:07 - 115:16

and we would be happy to offer
a platform of networks to learn it.
115:16 - 115:23

There are many so-called change agents in the world
who apear at various other conferences
115:23 - 115:28

and we are happy to have three of them
at this conference today.
115:28 - 115:32

We would like to continue to develop concrete human resources
115:32 - 115:39

by making it a platform to learn to take advantage
of the networks with those above.
115:39 - 115:45

The coodinators of this conference,
Mr. Yamashita and Mr. Furuya,
115:45 - 115:49

came to ISEP as interns when they were graduate school students
115:49 - 115:54

and worked struggling while earning by part-time jobs.
115:54 - 116:02

We would be happy to offer scholarship to students,
116:02 - 116:12

for example, who would go to Samsø for half year
116:13 - 116:20

or who would go to Canada where José works
to learn RETScreen for three months.
116:21 - 116:25

Human resource development and community support,
and inspection program, in particular.
116:26 - 116:30

In the most near future,
from July 3 to July 5 this year,
116:31 - 116:37

Stefan organizes a community
power meeting in Bonn, Germany.
116:37 - 116:45

I don't know whether it would
be before it or after it.
116:45 - 116:51

We could tour to attend the community power meeting
visiting various places by bus after visiting Samsø,
116:52 - 116:59

or the reverse cource could be possible
like travelling after the community meeting
116:59 - 117:03

destined to Samsø. We just have talked about it.
117:03 - 117:07

These are only examples such as
scholarship mentioned earlier
117:07 - 117:09

but we would like to do such programs.
117:10 - 117:13

This is only drawn as an image, of course,
117:13 - 117:15

and some domestic version of this could be possible,
117:16 - 117:23

for example, to learn the regional practices of Mr. Suzuki of Hokkaido,
of Mr. Hara or of Mr. Takemoto of Bizen.
117:23 - 117:31

We would attempt to do such things including
domestically utilizing networks properly,
117:32 - 117:45

to learn the power of specific practices
to transform the world from the region.
117:46 - 117:55

I think, as a kick-off of that sort of thing, we could have you learn a little bit
117:55 - 118:01

and build concrete face-to-face
relationships today first.
118:01 - 118:09

We would like you to continue to have interests
in the activities of the ISEP and to join the networks
118:10 - 118:22

to learn and to develop a variety of domestic
and international relationships as ISEP Academy.
118:22 - 118:27

I would like to make this the closing words of today.
118:28 - 118:32

Thank you for sharing such a long
period of time with us today.
118:39 - 118:42

That is all for today's program.
118:42 - 118:48

Please come back later to review the contents
of today's conference out of the archive,
118:48 - 118:52

we will have them archived later
which broadcasted on Ustream.
118:53 - 118:55

Thank you very much.

Title:: 120308 コミュニティ・パワー会議セッション3 地域と世界のネットワーク / 総括コメント
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固定価格買取制の施行を控え、国内各地で自然エネルギーに取り組む動きが加速しつつあります。小規模分散型の自然エネルギーは地域のさまざまな人々が協力し、ボトムアップで取り組みを進めていくことが重要となります。また、地域の資源を利用したエネルギーの利益が地域の人々に還元されるような仕組みを導入していくことも重要となります。このような地域エネルギーの考え方や取り組み方は、「コミュニティ・パワー」として世界的にも新たな潮流を創り出しています。コミュニティ・パワー会議では、国内外のコミュニティ・パワーの実践者や専門家と、これからコミュニティ・パワーに取り組む人々の対話を通じて今後の手がかりを探ります。
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登壇者一覧
Stefan Gsänger（ステファン・ゼンガー：世界風力エネルギー協会、事務局長）
Søren Hermansen（ソーレン・ハーマンセン：サムソ・エネルギー・アカデミー、代表）
José Etcheverry（ホセ・エチェベリー：ヨーク大学環境学部、准教授）
服部乃利子（NPO法人アースライフネットワーク、理事）
飯田哲也（環境エネルギー政策研究所、所長）http://isep.or.jp

舩橋晴俊（法政大学サステイナビリティ研究教育機構、機構長）

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