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American Sign Language (ASL)

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    MONICA: Public Now.
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    Hello everyone.
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    Welcome to our discussion of
    American sign language, and
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    many aspects of deaf culture.
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    We are privileged tonight
    to have two
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    speakers of ASL and Hangout.
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    And we will be speaking
    with them.
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    Right now Daniel is
    interpreting.
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    And Booger, whose
    name is Dylan.
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    Dylan, I don't know which
    to address you by.
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    Which would you rather go by?
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    I don't care.
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    I go by Monica.
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    MALE SPEAKER (OFFSCREEN):
    Dylan, OK, thumbs up.
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    So to anyone watching, get
    ready to learn some sign
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    language and to talk
    about deaf culture.
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    So now I'm going to focus on
    making sure that the screen
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    shares the correct person
    so everyone can see.
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    MALE SPEAKER: You want to
    get the link first?
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    MONICA: Oh yeah, I also have to
    pause to obtain the link.
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    MALE SPEAKER: Now what
    is the link for?
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    MONICA: It's the broadcast
    video.
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    MALE SPEAKER: OK
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    DANIEL: It's no big
    deal to me.
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    Let's just go on.
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    It's fine Monica.
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    MONICA: OK I just got it.
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    Here we go.
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    All right, so I will
    put this in chat.
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    And there is a link.
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    And now let's talk about--
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    here's the first question.
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    How would you define
    deaf culture?
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    DANIEL: And this is Daniel.
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    Just wanted to let you know
    that Dylan is going to be
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    answering the question.
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    And he's going to sign
    for a while.
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    And then give me a chance to
    interpret what he says.
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    MONICA: Sounds good.
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    DANIEL: Hi this is Dylan.
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    Thank you all for being here.
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    I was born deaf and my
    parents are hearing.
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    I spent about 15 years
    in the theater.
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    And I studied voice.
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    And I also was raised by my
    parents as a hearing person.
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    That's how they wanted
    to raise me.
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    So they gave me a lot of
    voice training as well.
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    And so, even though I'm a deaf
    person, I was raised in the
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    hearing world.
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    And yet I'm not exactly a part
    of the hearing world.
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    I am part of it.
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    But I'm not.
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    If that makes any
    sense to you.
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    I live in between two worlds,
    the deaf world, and the
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    hearing world.
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    And this is Daniel.
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    Can I just ask you, can you
    please put him as the main
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    picture when he's signing?
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    Can you do that Monica?
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    MONICA: Yes I can.
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    And I have been putting him as
    the main picture when he's
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    signing so that people can
    see each individual sign.
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    DANIEL: Oh I'm not
    seeing that.
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    MALE SPEAKER: Yeah,
    you won't see it.
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    Only the stream sees it.
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    DANIEL: Oh, OK.
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    So I have to click on him if
    I want to see him in full.
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    MALE SPEAKER: That's right.
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    DANIEL: OK.
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    Get the technology worked
    out, all right.
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    And he's saying deaf culture
    is really not that much
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    different from hearing
    culture.
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    The difference is that we
    don't have hearing.
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    So communication is a little
    bit different.
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    And it's funny for deaf people
    when they get on public
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    transportation and hearing
    people watch them talking with
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    each other in sign language .
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    And hearing people don't
    understand why they're making
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    so much noise.
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    Well, when they make signs
    that hit the hands.
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    And why do their faces
    look the way they do?
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    Are they angry?
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    Are they upset?
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    People misunderstand the facial
    expressions and the
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    noises that deaf people when
    they talk with each other.
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    And hearing people aren't used
    to hearing the way deaf
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    people's voices sound when
    they speak English either
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    because hearing people can
    hear themselves speak.
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    And they have trained voices.
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    They're not used to hearing
    voices that are untrained.
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    And they're not used to hearing
    the sounds that come
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    along with sign language
    either.
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    The only way that hearing people
    can get an idea of what
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    it might be like to be deaf
    is if they walk around the
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    streets with their hands over
    their ears, or covering their
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    ears in some way.
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    And just see people walking
    around in the
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    world with no sound.
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    And then you'll understand what
    it's like to be deaf.
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    And sign language is different
    from English because we don't
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    use all the little words
    that people use
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    when they speak English.
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    All we have to sign is the sign
    for where and the sign
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    for bathroom.
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    Or, in American sign language
    grammar, you could even say
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    bathroom, where.
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    Hearing people, people that
    speak English, they seem to
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    love using words and they don't
    mind taking a long time
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    to say something.
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    Whereas, with deaf people, we
    don't have patience for that.
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    And our language is much
    more abbreviated.
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    So we can say things quickly
    and get to the point.
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    Just a moment, Dylan is asking
    me, the interpreter, if I
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    understand what he's saying.
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    And I want to make sure
    that I do understand.
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    OK, thanks.
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    So Dylan is saying that it seems
    like hearing people,
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    people in the hearing culture,
    people who speak English, they
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    like to analyze language
    a lot more.
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    They like to spend a lot more
    time saying things.
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    And deaf people, and American
    sign language itself, tends to
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    be a lot more to the point.
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    A lot more direct, and
    not so complicated.
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    And, unfortunately, this simple
    language that we have
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    causes a lot hearing people to
    think that we are stupid or
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    mentally retarded.
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    And really it's just that our
    language is very short and
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    abbreviated.
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    This is--
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    just a moment, OK.
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    All right, this is Daniel.
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    I have to get going.
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    But Dylan is saying if you'd
    like to ask me any questions,
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    please feel free to type
    them in the chat box.
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    And I'll actually answer
    them in my own voice.
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    MONICA: Awesome.
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    DANIEL: Thanks for inviting
    me Monica.
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    Take care.
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    MONICA: Thank you
    so much Daniel.
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    FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Bye Daniel.
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    Thank you.
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    DANIEL: I'll watch later.
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    MONICA: Very cool, everybody
    thumbs up for Daniel.
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    DYLAN: All right, ladies
    and gentlemen.
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    I can speak for myself.
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    I knows that's a very
    big surprise.
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    I will explain how I grew
    up, when I learned
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    how to speak well.
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    I've been an actor for
    about 15 years.
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    So I learned how
    to use my voice
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    through lots of practice.
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    And mostly it's bone
    conduction.
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    For you hearing people, if you
    plugged your ears and you
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    spoke, you can hear yourself.
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    So my words are all about how
    I hear myself through bone
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    conduction.
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    So that's how I'm able
    to speak precisely.
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    Now, there are a lot
    of words that it's
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    hard for me to pronounce.
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    But after 38 years of
    practice you kind
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    of get used to speaking.
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    Now, like I said, I grew up
    in the hearing world.
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    And I went through mainstream
    school.
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    I never had deaf culture
    practice because everybody
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    around me did not speak
    that language.
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    So that's why I have a
    bit of both worlds.
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    It's a little bit easier for me
    to sign than it is to speak
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    because of--
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    how do I explain, the language
    translation is different.
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    It's like Spanish to English
    if that makes sense.
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    Chloe, I had learned sign
    language when I was very
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    young, about five years old.
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    My parents wanted me
    to speak to them.
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    But it kind of died off because
    I'm the only deaf
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    member in my whole family.
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    So I studied myself,
    sign language.
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    I didn't join the deaf
    culture until when I
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    was about in college.
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    Very good question, [? Peo. ?]
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    Well, as I was growing up I had
    only a little hearing in
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    my right ear.
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    But it was much below
    speech level.
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    But I was able to hear music.
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    So I learned music, how to play
    piano, play drums, and
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    play guitar.
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    So I had that luxury.
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    But since I don't have that
    hearing anymore, I have all
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    the music theory in my head.
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    And I understand what
    music sounds like.
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    So it never left me.
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    OK, let's go on to the
    next question here.
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    Monica, well, join deaf culture,
    well what I mean by
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    that is I grew up in
    the hearing world.
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    I didn't have very many deaf
    friends to communicate with.
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    Not until much later in life
    when I learned about all the
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    great things in the deaf culture
    that I had missed out
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    from my childhood.
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    Let's go back.
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    I'm trying to scroll
    back here.
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    Let's see.
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    Maddy James asked a question,
    isn't sign
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    language universal then?
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    Well, it is universal.
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    But it's not perceived in the
    same way because every sign
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    language has a different
    dialect.
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    A good example would be west
    coast sign language versus
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    east coast sign language.
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    We have different signs.
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    But it is based on English.
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    OK, Chloe asked a question--
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    Oh, no, Chloe said something,
    let's see.
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    Going down--
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    OK, Stephen had written
    something.
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    I'm going to go ahead and
    read what he wrote.
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    I have a friend who is
    deaf and we watch
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    TV with closed caption.
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    What do you think of
    the quality of
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    closed caption today?
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    I'm not happy with the
    quality of it myself.
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    OK, well closed captioning,
    it started out
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    really, really slow.
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    Back in the old days we had
    those really big boxes that
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    you had to buy that looks
    like a DVR machine.
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    And it would sit on top of your
    TV. And it looks like
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    it's slowly writing.
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    Now, today it's a lot faster.
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    It's very in sync
    to the speech.
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    Though, it depends on what show
    that was captioned, what
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    you were watching.
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    OK, going down.
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    OK, Renzo Sambrano, I think
    is how you pronounce it.
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    He had a question.
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    Is sign language divided?
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    What would you need to learn
    Spanish using sign language?
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    Like I said before,
    sign language
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    has different dialects.
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    Every country has their
    own different signs.
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    So, by Span--
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    OK, a good example would be here
    in English sign language
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    we say, thank you, thank you.
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    Well, in Chinese sign, we go,
    thank you, because that looks
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    like somebody's bowing.
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    So they say thank you.
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    I personally like this
    because this is cool.
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    It's like somebody's bowing
    when they say thank you.
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    All right, let's go on
    to the next question.
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    Does anybody else
    have any other
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    questions about deaf culture.
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    MONICA: I'll say anyone who is
    watching the video and wants
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    to type in a question on
    the post, please do.
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    If you have one, and then this
    is tough because basically I'm
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    asking something.
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    Then I have to mute myself so
    I can type it in to chat.
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    So, sorry I have to
    go on mute here.
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    DYLAN: All right, Maddy James
    said something that was very
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    interesting.
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    Excuse me.
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    Maddy James says in England
    all deaf sign language
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    television is on only very early
    hours of the morning.
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    Is that the same in the States
    or do you have signed
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    television at daytime too?
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    Well, as of recently, there have
    been a lot of TV shows
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    who have people who are
    deaf signing shows.
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    We have lots of closed
    captions.
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    I'm not sure about signing
    programs. The only programs I
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    know of would be on PBS, Public
    Broadcasting System.
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    So I'm not familiar with that.
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    OK, Renzo has a question.
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    Do you have any program for
    non-deaf to be able to
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    communicate with you besides
    using sign language?
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    Yes, very good question.
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    Deaf people use cell phones.
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    We use text messaging.
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    We use AIM, Yahoo!, MSN, all
    those chat messengers,
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    including the Hangout
    here as well.
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    We have a little chat
    program here.
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    So we're pretty flexible with
    today's technology.
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    All right, first
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    recommendation I have for Monica.
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    Let me read what she wrote.
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    How would best recommend someone
    go about learning ASL
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    if they want to?
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    I actually recommend people to
    first learn about the culture
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    before they begin to sign.
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    The most important thing that I
    must stress to anybody, you
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    can't just learn the language
    and then expect deaf culture
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    to understand you.
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    The number one most important
    thing is your facial
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    expression.
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    If you are signing with a frown
    on your face deaf people
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    perceive that as an
    ugly statement, or
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    whatever you're saying.
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    And it can be very confusing.
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    So taking a free course, even,
    from an adult school, or
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    college take introductory
    course of
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    American sign language.
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    Learn about the culture first.
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    The next step would be learning
    how to do the
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    alphabet in sign language.
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    Next step from there would be to
    learn how to spell signs as
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    you're walking by places
    or when you're driving.
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    Let's see.
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    What else do we have here?
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    Yes, it depends.
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    Monica has said is expression
    similar to inflection.
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    I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing
    that right,
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    inflection, in tone,
    or reflection.
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    I'm not sure what you
    mean, Monica.
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    MONICA: I just said if someone
    says something in a very angry
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    tone, like signing hello--
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    CHLOE: You're talking.
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    And he can't hear you, so--
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    MONICA: I already typed.
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    Chloe, I already typed
    everything that I
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    said in to the chat.
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    So now I'm saying it out loud.
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    So, like, this is stuff here.
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    I'm trying to screen share
    at the same time
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    as type into chat.
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    And also do this.
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    So if I do mess up,
    I apologize.
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    I hope nobody is extremely
    offended.
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    It's just the best I can do.
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    DYLAN: I guess, to answer your
    question, Monica, from what I
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    think I understand what you're
    asking is our view on the
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    entire spoken language is based
    on emotion when people
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    speak so we respond on that.
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    I don't know how to explain that
    in a way that you guys
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    would understand.
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    We read people how most hearing
    people can't read if
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    that makes sense.
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    We see body language.
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    We know something's up before
    they even know it.
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    OK.
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    MONICA: So sorry about
    the typing noise.
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    I'm just responding
    in the chat.
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    DYLAN: [? Peo ?]
    has a question.
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    OK, he says, what is the best
    way for us to approach a deaf
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    person if we'd like to
    communicate knowing ASL?
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    The best way to come up to a
    deaf person, first, say hello,
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    or wave, say hi.
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    And you would write
    something down.
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    Say I'm a hearing person.
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    I'm very interested
    in your language.
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    And you can start any topics.
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    Say, I'm so curious about
    sign language.
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    What is it about?
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    Most people are happy to
    explain and start a
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    conversation with you.
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    Most deaf people feel offended
    when people just come up and
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    they don't sign or anything,
    and just talk.
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    And if they ask you to
    please write it down.
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    And if you still talk.
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    It's really, it's offending
    in our culture.
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    Monica says how can Google
    help innovate Hangouts to
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    better help deaf users.
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    Well, that's a very
    good question.
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    Currently, as how it is set up
    now that we have a chat area
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    in the Hangouts here,
    and we have video.
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    Well, that pretty much is deaf
    culture all in itself.
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    We have all these same
    technologies.
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    And we've had it long before
    the internet had it.
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    We had video phones.
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    So Google would probably
    be best in how
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    they have it already.
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    However, there is some
    discussion around Google
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    talking about speech to text,
    which would help.
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    It would be nice if somebody
    was speaking to me.
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    And they would speak to the
    computer and it would write
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    what you said.
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    That would be a godsend for
    me to be able to do that.
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    And it helps for people who
    don't sign but they want to
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    communicate with me.
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    One thing that's kind of off
    topic about Hangouts is I wish
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    that we had moderation
    for the Hangouts to--
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    like if somebody came in, and
    it was disrupting the
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    Hangouts, boot them out
    with one button.
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    Good question, Monica.
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    I'm very limited too,
    about how much I
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    can teach sign language.
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    I've been asked by this a lot.
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    So I don't know how to
    respond to that.
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    I would be happy to shows signs
    of words and have people
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    ask what they are.
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    I can show examples I can show
    examples of how they are in
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    sentence structure, sure.
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    MONICA: That would be awesome.
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    DYLAN: Well, we don't
    have signs for
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    these kinds of things.
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    So we kind of ad lib a lot for
    things that are not in our
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    immediate language.
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    So for signing something like
    Google+ you would just say
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    [INAUDIBLE].
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    That's what it looks like
    when you look down.
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    It looks like this when
    you're looking at it.
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    But facing towards you,
    this is g, g plus.
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    Very good question.
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    Chloe says, tell us how to
    ask where the toilet is.
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    Well, in sign language we say
    bathroom, which looks like the
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    sign for t.
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    Bathroom, you shake it.
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    And then where.
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    That means where is
    the bathroom.
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    But to a deaf person we
    only need to know
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    where is the bathroom.
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    OK, good question by Sonya.
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    I had thought doing spelling,
    the palms should be facing the
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    other person, no?
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    Yes, in sign language culture
    it's a little silly because if
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    you have the palm facing towards
    you and you're finger
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    spelling you are talking
    to yourself.
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    So that's kind of a funny joke
    in deaf culture when you see a
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    deaf man signing to themselves
    they talk to
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    themselves this way.
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    So, yes, your palm has to be
    towards the person you're
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    speaking to.
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    OK, [? Peo ?] has a question.
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    How do you handle anger?
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    When you get angry how do
    you tell each other off?
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    I see, good question.
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    Well, most of the time deaf
    people are very, very direct
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    in their anger and how
    they say things.
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    Like I said earlier, when
    hearing people see deaf people
  • 31:09 - 31:13
    sign they hear the hand slapping
    when they're angry
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    and they sign.
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    But that doesn't always mean
    that they're angry.
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    So, for me, with my anger, I
    usually just say it out loud.
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    But if a deaf person can't say
    things out loud, they sign it.
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    They show they're visibly
    frustrated.
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    So I guess that answers
    the question.
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    What's very fascinating for me
    is I live in both worlds.
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    I understand the
    hearing world.
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    I also understand
    the deaf world.
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    And I see the conflicts.
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    Now I'm going to bring up a
    topic that has been plaguing
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    me for the last few days.
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    It's a very controversial topic
    about cochlear implants.
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    And it's a very big argument
    in the deaf culture.
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    In fact, a lot of deaf people
    are very offended by the
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    technology.
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    Now I'm just going
    to just be open.
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    I'm not going to discuss
    it because it's a very
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    heavy-sided conversation
    about this.
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    My point of view that cochlear
    implants should be decided
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    upon the person who's having
    the surgery, not the other
  • 32:37 - 32:39
    people around them.
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    So this has been a very tough
    topic to talk about because
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    hearing people, in general, feel
    that they need to fix the
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    disability, or fix
    the handicap.
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    Well deaf people like to
    perceive that deafness is not
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    a handicap.
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    We are not limited.
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    As you can see, I'm
    speaking to you.
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    And I'm deaf.
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    I've never heard voices
    in my life.
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    That's kind of proof
    right there.
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    So the cochlear implant thing
    should be a choice.
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    Not something that one culture
    needs to change the other to
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    make it easier for
    communications.
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    It's wrong.
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    So, like I said, it's not for
    us to debate for this
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    particular event.
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    But it's something for you
    guys all to think about.
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    I'm going to give you a
    hypothetical situation.
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    What if the majority of society
    was hearing and they
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    decided to say that a surgery
    to take away your child's
  • 33:57 - 34:01
    hearing so you can sign
    to the child.
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    Now, would that be just as fair
    compared to how a deaf
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    child should be hearing?
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    That's something just
    to think about.
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    It's not something
    up for debate.
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    MONICA: So I will stop here to
    basically explain what a
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    cochlear implant is.
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    I can't type all this as
    quickly as I'll say it.
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    But there are many people
    who don't know.
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    It's a new technology.
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    And it's an implant that is a
    machine that you can basically
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    take and they do a surgery to
    implant it into the ear of
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    someone who's deaf.
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    And then they can kind
    of switch it on.
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    And the person can hear.
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    And some people have
    done this.
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    But, like Booger is saying, it's
    a very divisive issue in
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    the deaf community because
    it implies so many common
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    notations about deafness being
    a disability and something
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    that has to be changed.
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    And, basically, you have to--
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    like, he feels that--
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    and I can totally see
    that point of view.
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    So he said that the implant's
    not reversible in the chat,
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    like once you get it done
    it's been undone.
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    You can't undo it.
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    I will also mention one kind
    of horrible thing about
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    cochlear implants.
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    If a person loses a sight, any
    sight, at a young age, and
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    then they--
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    CHLOE: Sense.
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    MONICA: Any, sorry,
    you're right.
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    It's been a long day.
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    If you lose any sense at a young
    age, thanks Chloe, and
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    then you go years and years
    without using that sense,
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    whether it's hearing, whether
    it's sight, whatever, your
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    brain actually changes
    and adapts.
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    And your brain reassigns
    different portions of your
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    brain to other sensors.
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    So if you are to get a cochlear
    implant put in after
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    years and years of being deaf,
    your brain will kind of blank.
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    And many people who have this
    done experience a profound
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    depression.
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    And they experience a lot of
    mental confusion and upset.
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    It's the same with people who
    have been blind for many years
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    and suddenly can have their
    sight restored.
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    If you are further interested in
    the topic, there's a great
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    book by Oliver Sacks.
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    He's a neurologist, and he
    addresses this topic.
  • 37:04 - 37:05
    But people think it's
    a cool thing.
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    They're like, oh you could get
    your sight back after years of
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    being blind.
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    You could get your hearing
    back after
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    years of being deaf.
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    In reality, sometimes these
    cases end with people
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    committing suicide because their
    brains literally cannot
  • 37:19 - 37:23
    cope with new information that's
    being handed to them.
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    So, as Booger says, it's a
    really sensitive topic.
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    And it's everybody's
    personal choice.
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    DYLAN: I'm sorry to interrupt.
  • 38:11 - 38:13
    I'm not sure if anybody
    was speaking.
  • 38:13 - 38:16
    I have no way of telling if
    somebody was speaking or not.
  • 38:19 - 38:24
    One person asked a question
    earlier here.
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    Renzo asked me a question,
    if I were to
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    get a cochlear implant.
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    Well, my particular hearing
    disability is nerve damage in
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    the center of my brain.
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    I would not benefit from
    a cochlear implant.
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    Even if I did, I would
    choose not to because
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    it's not of my culture.
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    Maddy James says I suppose you
    can feel music when you hear
  • 39:10 - 39:12
    deep sub baselines.
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    Great question about
    music and deaf.
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    I can feel almost everything.
  • 39:19 - 39:22
    Treble clef I can't
    really understand.
  • 39:22 - 39:25
    But baritone, I love bass.
  • 39:25 - 39:30
    Anything with bass or
    drumming, I love it.
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    I can feel music up to
    a certain point.
  • 39:34 - 39:38
    Like when I play guitar I can
    feel what I'm strumming.
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    When I play piano I can
    feel the notes up
  • 39:42 - 39:44
    to a certain point.
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    And drums is kind of
    self-explanatory.
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    I can feel what I'm
    banging on.
  • 39:51 - 39:55
    So if that makes sense, music
    has never really left me.
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    I can remember what
    music sounds like.
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    So, when somebody is playing
    I watch how they perform.
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    And I look at the
    fluid motion.
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    If somebody has lots of fluid
    motion in their music that's
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    good music.
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    OK, Craig has a question.
  • 40:32 - 40:38
    Would you support an option to
    include a chat on air for both
  • 40:38 - 40:39
    [UNINTELLIGIBLE]
  • 40:39 - 40:41
    and the recording?
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    Well, I am unaware if the chat
    gets on live recording or not.
  • 40:47 - 40:49
    So I don't know.
  • 40:49 - 40:52
    But it would be really nice if
    there was a way to have a
  • 40:52 - 40:57
    split screen where a zoomed
    in area where people can
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    see the live chat.
  • 40:59 - 41:02
    And then have the video
    on the side.
  • 41:02 - 41:03
    I don't know.
  • 41:03 - 41:05
    I have not seen this yet.
  • 41:05 - 41:10
    So that's about the best
    answer I can give you.
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    I think that's pretty much
    all I can give you
  • 41:17 - 41:19
    guys for this session.
  • 41:19 - 41:22
    I can take some questions
    for now.
  • 41:22 - 41:26
    But I'm actually kind
    of exhausted.
  • 41:26 - 41:28
    Speaking is not really
    my forte.
  • 41:28 - 41:30
    Signing is.
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    MONICA: Thank you, Dylan.
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    DYLAN: Thank you everybody.
  • 41:35 - 41:36
    MONICA: Thank you very much.
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    CRAIG: So, Monica, when you stop
    the recording does that
  • 41:54 - 41:55
    kill the Hangout?
  • 41:55 - 42:01
    MONICA: Yes, and it will
    basically kick me out too.
  • 42:01 - 42:04
    So thank you everybody.
  • 42:04 - 42:07
    Thank you Dylan.
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    CHLOE: Thank you Dylan.
  • 42:09 - 42:10
    Now I have a bigger
    vocabulary.
  • 42:10 - 42:13
    I can say, like, where
    is the bathroom?
  • 42:13 - 42:15
    And thank you.
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    CRAIG: I really hope some of us
    can get behind the option
  • 42:22 - 42:27
    to include the chat because this
    is another example of why
  • 42:27 - 42:31
    it's so important that
    we have that option.
  • 42:31 - 42:41
    MALE SPEAKER 2: Craig, there
    is a way I just found out.
  • 42:41 - 42:48
    I did copy and paste
    of the whole chat.
  • 42:48 - 42:55
    And if you have a Blogger blog
    and you copy and paste that
  • 42:55 - 42:59
    into the Blogger blog it will
    show all the chat with the
  • 42:59 - 43:01
    different people's posts.
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    CRAIG: But it's not
    in the recording.
  • 43:06 - 43:09
    It's not included in
    the recording then.
  • 43:09 - 43:12
    And the people watching the
    live chat, it's still very
  • 43:12 - 43:16
    awkward for them to watch the
    show and try to monitor chat
  • 43:16 - 43:17
    somewhere else, right?
  • 43:20 - 43:23
    So we should just have an option
    to just include it in
  • 43:23 - 43:25
    the live stream.
  • 43:25 - 43:27
    And include in the recording.
  • 43:27 - 43:29
    They could append it
    to the recording.
  • 43:29 - 43:31
    They know the time when
    it's happening.
  • 43:31 - 43:34
    And they can match it up.
  • 43:34 - 43:36
    MONICA: There should be.
  • 43:36 - 43:40
    And I'm going to tag a bunch of
    Google people on this and
  • 43:40 - 43:45
    say let's figure out a way
    to put the chat in there.
  • 43:45 - 43:47
    CRAIG: I mean, all we need
    is the option to do it.
  • 43:47 - 43:50
    I can understand the privacy
    thing where it's off the
  • 43:50 - 43:51
    record and all that.
  • 43:51 - 43:54
    But if everybody agrees to it,
    if you set up a Hangout and
  • 43:54 - 43:56
    you have a little check box that
    says this is going to be
  • 43:56 - 43:58
    included in the show.
  • 43:58 - 44:01
    And everybody agrees when they
    come in, just like they agree
  • 44:01 - 44:03
    that it's on air in the first
    place, then there
  • 44:03 - 44:06
    shouldn't be a problem.
  • 44:06 - 44:11
    MONICA: Craig, I don't think
    it's an issue of what they
  • 44:11 - 44:14
    feel would be a violation
    of copyright.
  • 44:14 - 44:17
    I think it's just they don't
    know it's a wanted feature.
  • 44:17 - 44:21
    CRAIG: Well, what they've told
    me is the chat is designed to
  • 44:21 - 44:22
    be off the record.
  • 44:22 - 44:25
    And that they don't want
    it to be included.
  • 44:25 - 44:26
    Well, that's great.
  • 44:26 - 44:30
    But in some cases, in some
    shows, it's pretty important
  • 44:30 - 44:31
    that it be included.
  • 44:31 - 44:33
    Tonight was a perfect example.
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    It's an integral part
    of the show.
  • 44:36 - 44:37
    MONICA: Well, that's true.
  • 44:37 - 44:46
    And it's also one of these
    aspects of existing in a
  • 44:46 - 44:47
    different--
  • 44:49 - 44:52
    needing different facilities.
  • 44:52 - 44:59
    So maybe we can request that
    and say, hey, it's one of
  • 44:59 - 45:00
    those needed features.
  • 45:00 - 45:02
    And I, too, am very tired.
  • 45:02 - 45:04
    I'm sorry about my low
    level of energy.
  • 45:04 - 45:07
    I'm normally more-- it's
    been a long day.
  • 45:07 - 45:09
    CRAIG: Well, thank you very
    much, Monica, for
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    putting this together.
  • 45:10 - 45:13
    This was very informative.
  • 45:13 - 45:15
    MONICA: Hey, you guys have
    to really thank Dylan.
  • 45:15 - 45:17
    And also Chloe.
  • 45:17 - 45:22
    And thank you to Daniel for
    translating earlier.
  • 45:22 - 45:26
    And I should be typing all this
    but like, my brain can't
  • 45:26 - 45:28
    work three ways at
    once tonight.
  • 45:28 - 45:30
    CHLOE: It's OK.
  • 45:39 - 45:43
    MONICA: So, and yeah, and thanks
    to anybody from Google
  • 45:43 - 45:47
    who's watching and willing to
    consider adding that chat
  • 45:47 - 45:52
    capability, or modifying it
    at all for deaf users.
  • 45:52 - 45:57
    Because that would be
    A++, more like G++.
  • 45:57 - 45:59
    CRAIG: And there are
    other shows too.
  • 45:59 - 46:02
    Even in the non-deaf
    community--
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    DYLAN: Sorry to interrupt.
  • 46:03 - 46:05
    I wanted to say one
    last thing.
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    I am manager of Universal
    Subtitles.
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    It's now called Amara,
    by the way.
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    I do lots of subtitling
    of videos.
  • 46:16 - 46:21
    And lately I have a team page
    for music captioning.
  • 46:21 - 46:23
    So I actually have
    a bunch of music
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    videos that are captioned.
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    I encourage the public
    to caption this kind
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    of stuff for music.
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    Feel free to upload.
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    I have a web address
    right now.
  • 46:36 - 46:38
    Give me a second.
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    I'll post it.
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    MONICA: OK, I'll be putting
    the link on the
  • 46:46 - 46:49
    post, by the way.
  • 46:49 - 46:53
    CRAIG: And also read that out so
    that it's part of the show.
  • 46:53 - 46:56
    DYLAN: For music captioning,
    it's free for the public.
  • 46:56 - 47:01
    And it's a project I'm doing
    to try to bridge the gap
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    between hearing and
    deaf world.
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    I have access to all subtitles
    of everything on the internet.
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    What I would like to encourage,
    Monica, is to have
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    this video captioned using
    our tools at Amara.
  • 47:24 - 47:26
    I would like to promote that.
  • 47:26 - 47:29
    So it would be fun, rather
    than using YouTube's
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    captioning.
  • 47:31 - 47:33
    So if that would be cool.
  • 47:33 - 47:37
    MONICA: OK, so you heard
    it from Dylan.
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    Use this link.
  • 47:38 - 47:43
    I put it on the post.
  • 47:43 - 47:45
    CRAIG: So it's universalsubtitl
  • 47:45 - 47:47
    es.org/en/teams/
    musiccaptioning.
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    MONICA: All right, so thank you
    everybody for watching.
  • 48:08 - 48:11
    And have a good night.
  • 48:11 - 48:14
    CHLOE: You too Monica.
  • 48:14 - 48:17
    CRAIG: Thanks again everyone.
  • 48:17 - 48:18
    MONICA: By everybody.
  • 48:18 - 48:20
    Goodnight.
Title:
American Sign Language (ASL)
Video Language:
English
Duration:
48:21

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