1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,960 [marker squeaking on board] 2 00:00:14,330 --> 00:00:17,080 (Ken Robinson) Every country on Earth, at the moment, 3 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:19,400 is reforming public education. 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,170 There are two reasons for it. 5 00:00:21,170 --> 00:00:22,800 The first of them is economic. 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,640 People are trying to work out 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,360 how do we educate our children to take their place 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,280 in the economies of the 21st century? 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,800 How do we do that? 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,680 Even though we can't anticipate 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,120 what the economy will look like at the end of next week, 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,560 as the recent turmoil is demonstrating. 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,200 How do we do that? 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,680 The second, though, is cultural. 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,090 Every country on Earth, on earth is trying to figure out 16 00:00:46,090 --> 00:00:48,680 how do we educate our children 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,560 so they have a sense of cultural identity, 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,720 and so that we can pass on the cultural genes of our communities, 19 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,080 while being part of the process of globalization? 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,040 How do we square that circle? 21 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,320 The problem is they're trying to meet the future 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,600 by doing what they did in the past. 23 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,200 And on the way, they're alienating millions of kids 24 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,960 who don't see any purpose in going to school. 25 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:12,640 When we went to school, 26 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:13,960 we were kept there with a story, 27 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:16,120 which is, if you worked hard and did well, 28 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,440 and got a college degree, you would have a job. 29 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,190 Our kids don't believe that. 30 00:01:20,190 --> 00:01:21,600 And they're right not to, by the way. 31 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,560 You're better having a degree than not, 32 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,480 but it's not a guarantee anymore. 33 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,810 And particularly not if the route to it 34 00:01:27,810 --> 00:01:29,440 marginalizes most of the things 35 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,280 that you think are important about yourself. 36 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:32,840 Some people say we have to raise standards, 37 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,400 as if this is a breakthrough. 38 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,000 You know, like, really, yes we should. 39 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,240 Why would you lower them? 40 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:40,730 [laughter] 41 00:01:40,730 --> 00:01:42,120 I haven't come across an argument 42 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,000 that persuades me of lowering them. 43 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,410 But raising them, of course we should raise them. 44 00:01:46,410 --> 00:01:47,640 The problem is 45 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,400 that the current system of education 46 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,680 was designed and conceived 47 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,040 and structured for a different age. 48 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:02,160 It was conceived in the intellectual culture of the Enlightenment. 49 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,240 And in the economic circumstances of the Industrial Revolution. 50 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,960 Before the middle of the 19th century, 51 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,370 there were no systems of public education. 52 00:02:10,370 --> 00:02:11,240 Not really. 53 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,920 I mean, you could get educated by Jesuits, 54 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:14,720 you know, if you had the money, 55 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,880 but public education, paid for from taxation, 56 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,440 compulsory to everybody and free at the point of delivery, 57 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,720 that was a revolutionary idea. 58 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,720 And many people objected to it. 59 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,520 They said it's not possible for many street kids, 60 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,040 working class children, to benefit from public education. 61 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,760 They're incapable of learning to read and write, 62 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,080 and why are we spending time on this? 63 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,360 So, there's also built into it a whole series of assumptions 64 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,800 about social structure and capacity. 65 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,960 It was driven by an economic imperative of the time, 66 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,440 but running right through it 67 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,480 was an intellectual model of the mind. 68 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,000 Which was essentially the Enlightenment view of intelligence. 69 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,160 That real intelligence consists in this capacity 70 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,240 for a certain type of deductive reasoning, 71 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,760 and the knowledge of the classics, originally. 72 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,880 What we've come to think of as academic ability. 73 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,760 And this is deep in the gene pool of public education, 74 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,320 that there are really two types of people: 75 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,160 academic and non-academic; 76 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,360 smart people and non-smart people. 77 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,700 And the consequence of that 78 00:03:12,700 --> 00:03:15,960 is that many brilliant people think they're not, 79 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,760 because they've been judged against this particular view of the mind. 80 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,400 So, we have twin pillars, economic and intellectual. 81 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,200 And my view is 82 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,190 that this model has caused chaos in many people's lives. 83 00:03:29,190 --> 00:03:30,800 It's been great for some. 84 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,040 There have been people that have benefited wonderfully from it. 85 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,920 But most people have not. 86 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,650 Instead they suffer this. 87 00:03:37,650 --> 00:03:39,160 This is the modern epidemic, 88 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,760 and it's as misplaced, 89 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,720 and it's as fictitious. 90 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,800 This is the plague of ADHD. 91 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,840 Now, this is a map of the instance of ADHD in America, 92 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,040 or prescriptions for ADHD. 93 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:54,880 Don't mistake me, 94 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,920 I don't mean to say there is no such thing 95 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,920 as Attention Deficit Disorder. 96 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,240 I'm not qualified to say if there is such a thing. 97 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,320 I know that a great majority of psychologists, 98 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,160 and pediatricians think there is such a thing. 99 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,280 But it's still a matter of debate. 100 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,280 What I do know, for a fact, 101 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,440 is it's not an epidemic. 102 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,240 These kids are being medicated 103 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,959 as routinely as we had our tonsils taken out. 104 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:23,400 And on the same whimsical basis, 105 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,040 and for the same reason - medical fashion. 106 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,640 Our children are living in the most intensely stimulating period 107 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,760 in the history of the earth. 108 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,160 They're being besieged with information, 109 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,360 and force their attention from every platform, computers, 110 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:41,560 from iPhones, 111 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:42,560 from advertising holdings, 112 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,000 from hundreds of television channels. 113 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,760 And we're penalizing them now for getting distracted. 114 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,040 From what? Boring stuff, 115 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,600 at school, for the most part. 116 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,640 It seems to me it's not a coincidence, totally, 117 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,880 that the instance of ADHD has risen in parallel 118 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,520 with the growth of standardized testing. 119 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,160 Now, these kids are being given Ritalin and Adderall, 120 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,360 and all manner of things, 121 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,360 often quite dangerous drugs, 122 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,360 to get them focused and calm them down. 123 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,480 But according to this, 124 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,480 Attention Deficit Disorder increases 125 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,040 as you travel east across the country. 126 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,200 People start losing interest in Oklahoma 127 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:24,960 [laughter]. 128 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,880 They can hardly think straight in Arkansas 129 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,080 [laughter]. 130 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,320 And by the time they get to Washington, 131 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,200 they have lost it completely. 132 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,320 And there are separate reasons for that, I believe 133 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,040 [laughter]. 134 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,720 It's a fictitious epidemic. 135 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,200 If you think of it, the arts, 136 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,040 and I don't say this exclusively of the arts. 137 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,320 I think it's also true of science and of maths. 138 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,360 But let me, I say about the arts particularly 139 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,960 because they are the victims 140 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,640 of this mentality currently, particularly. 141 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:59,200 The arts especially address the idea of aesthetic experience. 142 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,040 And aesthetic experience 143 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,640 is one in which your senses are operating at their peak. 144 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,720 When you are present in the current moment. 145 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,440 When you're resonating with the excitement of this thing 146 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,080 that you're experiencing. 147 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,520 When you are fully alive. 148 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,360 And anesthetic is when you shut your senses off 149 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,320 and deaden yourself to what's happening. 150 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,200 And a lot of these drugs are that. 151 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,080 We're getting our children through education by anesthetizing them. 152 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,600 And I think we should be doing the exact opposite. 153 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:28,800 We shouldn't be putting them asleep, 154 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,320 we should be waking them up 155 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,560 to what they have inside of themselves. 156 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,240 But the model we have is this, 157 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,320 it's, I believe, we have a system of education 158 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:41,880 that is modeled on the interests of industrialism, 159 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,600 and in the image of it. 160 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,760 I'll give you a couple of examples. 161 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,400 Schools are still pretty much organized on factory lines - 162 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,280 ringing bells, separate facilities, 163 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:54,360 specialized into separate subjects. 164 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,280 We still educate children by batches. 165 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:00,280 You know, we put them through the system by age group. 166 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:01,640 Why do we do that? 167 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,680 You know, why is there this assumption 168 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,600 that the most important thing kids have in common 169 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,760 is how old they are? 170 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,240 You know, it's like the most important thing about them 171 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,160 is their date of manufacture. 172 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,040 Well, I know kids who are much better than other kids 173 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,560 at the same age in different disciplines, you know, 174 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,560 or at different times of the day, 175 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,520 or better in smaller groups then in large groups, 176 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,400 or sometimes they want to be on their own. 177 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,840 If you're interested in the model of learning, 178 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,440 you don't start from this production line mentality. 179 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,440 These are, it's essentially about conformity. 180 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:29,640 And increasingly it's about that 181 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,200 as you look at the growth of standardized testing 182 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,600 and standardized curricula. 183 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,720 And it's about standardization. 184 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,960 I believe we've got to go in the exact opposite direction. 185 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,360 That's what I mean about changing the paradigm. 186 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,600 There was a great study done recently of divergent thinking, 187 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:45,880 published a couple of years ago. 188 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,520 Divergent thinking isn't the same thing as creativity. 189 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,240 I define creativity as the process 190 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,640 of having original ideas that have value. 191 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,320 Divergent thinking isn't a synonym. 192 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:02,120 But it's an essential capacity for creativity. 193 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,120 It's the ability to see lots of possible answers to a question, 194 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,000 lots of possible ways of interpreting a question. 195 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,600 To think, what Edward de Bono would probably call laterally. 196 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,280 To think, not just in linear or convergent ways. 197 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,760 To see multiple answers, not one. 198 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:20,760 So, I mean, there are tests for this. 199 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,480 I mean, one kind of cod example would be, 200 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,080 people might be asked to say 201 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,280 how many uses can you think of for a paper clip. 202 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:29,520 Those routine questions. 203 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,880 Most people might come with 10 or 15. 204 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,720 People who are good at this might come up with 200. 205 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:35,520 And they do that by saying, 206 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,640 well, could the paper clip be turned, and a foot tall, 207 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,320 and be made out of foam rubber. 208 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,320 You know, like, does it have to be a paper clip as we know it, Jim. 209 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,080 Now, there are tests for this. 210 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,120 And they gave them to 1,500 people. 211 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,120 It's in a book called Break Point and Beyond. 212 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,400 And on the protocol of the test, 213 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,160 if you scored above a certain level, 214 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,480 you'd be considered to be a genius at divergent thinking. 215 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:57,360 Okay? 216 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,760 So, my question to you is, 217 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,800 what percentage of the people tested, 218 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,400 of the 1500, 219 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,200 scored at genius level for divergent thinking? 220 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,400 You need to know one more thing about them. 221 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,000 These were kindergarten children. 222 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:11,920 So, what you think? 223 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,960 What percentage at genius level? 224 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,080 (Audience member) 80. 225 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,400 (Ken Robinson) You think 80, okay. 226 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:18,440 98%. 227 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,600 Now, the thing about this was, it was a longitudinal study. 228 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,880 So, they retested the same children five years later. 229 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:26,840 Age of eight to ten. 230 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,400 What do you think? 231 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:29,640 50? 232 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,560 They retested them again, 233 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:35,480 five years later, ages 13 to 15. 234 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,960 You can see a trend here, can't you 235 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,480 [laughter] 236 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,360 Now, this tells an interesting story. 237 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,440 Because you could have imagined it going the other way, 238 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:46,960 couldn't you. 239 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,320 You start off not being very good, 240 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,000 but you get better as you get older. 241 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,080 But this shows two things. 242 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,640 One is, we all have this capacity. 243 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,200 And two, it mostly deteriorates. 244 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,720 Now, a lot of things have happened to these kids 245 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,080 as they've grown up, a lot. 246 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,800 But one of the most important things that happened to them, 247 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,320 I am convinced, is that by now, 248 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,600 they've become educated. 249 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,200 They know, they spent 10 years at school being told there's one answer. 250 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,280 It's at the back and don't look. 251 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,640 And don't copy, 252 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,320 because that's cheating. 253 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,840 I mean, outside schools that's called collaboration, you know. 254 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,200 But inside schools... 255 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,360 And this isn't because teachers want it this way, 256 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,680 it's just because it happens that way. 257 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:29,880 It's because it's in the gene pool of education. 258 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,600 We have to think differently about human capacity. 259 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,400 We have to get over this old conception of academic, non-academic, 260 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,640 abstract, theoretical, vocational, 261 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,030 and see it for what it is: a myth. 262 00:10:44,030 --> 00:10:45,660 Secondly, we have to recognize 263 00:10:45,660 --> 00:10:47,880 that most great learning happens in groups. 264 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,920 That collaboration is the stuff of growth. 265 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,360 If we atomize people and separate them and judge them separately, 266 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,040 we form a kind of disjunction between them 267 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,160 and their natural learning environment. 268 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,720 And thirdly, it's crucially about the culture of our institutions, 269 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,440 the habits of the institution, 270 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,040 and the habitats that they occupy.