WEBVTT 00:00:04.250 --> 00:00:07.427 I’m watchin’ you. 00:00:12.042 --> 00:00:15.395 Lord, Keynes, wow! It’s, it, it’s such an honor. 00:00:15.395 --> 00:00:16.974 Indeed, sir. 00:00:16.974 --> 00:00:19.761 Please, just go, just go right on through. 00:00:19.761 --> 00:00:22.548 [beeping alarm] 00:00:22.548 --> 00:00:25.335 woo, woo 00:00:25.658 --> 00:00:29.633 Identification, please. 00:00:32.864 --> 00:00:34.739 Hayek? 00:00:34.739 --> 00:00:38.310 No. Hayek, like high explosives. 00:00:39.448 --> 00:00:41.364 High explosives? 00:00:41.364 --> 00:00:42.489 Yeah. 00:00:42.489 --> 00:00:45.864 We have a 10-66, HQ I repeat, we have a 10-66. 00:00:45.864 --> 00:00:49.422 [Copy that, Mike. Proceed.] 00:00:49.422 --> 00:00:54.276 What is a 10-66? That was just an example of how to pronounce my name. 00:01:01.584 --> 00:01:03.063 Ladies and gentlemen. 00:01:03.063 --> 00:01:05.396 Members of the committee. 00:01:05.396 --> 00:01:07.730 We are here today to consider the impact 00:01:07.730 --> 00:01:10.771 of government spending on our economy. 00:01:10.771 --> 00:01:13.396 We’re fortunate to have two world-reknowned 00:01:13.396 --> 00:01:17.691 economists to offer their testimony on the matter. 00:01:18.460 --> 00:01:20.578 I see you took a detour down the road to serfdom. 00:01:20.578 --> 00:01:22.245 Talk about the end of laissez-faire. 00:01:22.245 --> 00:01:24.495 Well, shake it off, Freddie, 00:01:24.495 --> 00:01:26.448 I’m not pullin’ any punches in there. 00:01:26.448 --> 00:01:28.386 I’m ready. Are you? 00:01:29.355 --> 00:01:32.757 Prepare for the return of the master. 00:01:34.511 --> 00:01:36.804 John Maynard Keynes 00:01:36.804 --> 00:01:38.711 F. A. Hayek 00:01:38.711 --> 00:01:40.646 Round Two 00:01:40.984 --> 00:01:42.939 Round 2.0 00:01:43.708 --> 00:01:45.392 Same economists, 00:01:45.392 --> 00:01:46.924 same beliefs, 00:01:48.309 --> 00:01:50.359 new microphones, 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:52.209 new mustaches. 00:01:54.101 --> 00:01:56.359 Here we are… Peace out! Great recession. 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:59.067 Thanks to me, as you see, we’re not in a depression. 00:01:59.067 --> 00:02:01.417 Recovery, destiny, if you follow my lesson, 00:02:01.417 --> 00:02:04.067 Lord Keynes, here I come, line up for the procession. 00:02:04.067 --> 00:02:06.635 We brought out the shovels but we’re still in a ditch 00:02:06.635 --> 00:02:09.375 and still digging, don’t you think that it’s time for a switch 00:02:09.375 --> 00:02:12.075 from that hair of the dog? Friend, the party is over, 00:02:12.198 --> 00:02:14.516 the long run is here, it’s time to get sober! 00:02:14.516 --> 00:02:16.963 Are you kidding? My cure works perfectly fine. 00:02:16.963 --> 00:02:20.225 Have a look, the great recession ended back in ’09. 00:02:20.225 --> 00:02:22.689 I deserve credit. Things would have been worse. 00:02:22.689 --> 00:02:25.084 All the estimates prove it, I’ll quote chapter and verse. 00:02:25.084 --> 00:02:28.043 Econometricians, they’re ever so pious. 00:02:28.043 --> 00:02:30.766 Are they doing real science or confirming their bias? 00:02:30.766 --> 00:02:33.391 Their “Keynesian” models are tidy and neat, 00:02:33.391 --> 00:02:36.489 but that top down approach is a fatal conceit. 00:02:36.489 --> 00:02:39.637 Which way should we choose? 00:02:39.637 --> 00:02:42.114 More bottom up or more top down? 00:02:42.114 --> 00:02:44.406 The fight continues, 00:02:44.406 --> 00:02:47.573 Keynes and Hayek’s second round. 00:02:47.573 --> 00:02:50.114 It’s time to weigh in 00:02:50.114 --> 00:02:52.797 more from the top or from the ground. 00:02:52.797 --> 00:02:55.566 Let’s listen to the greats, 00:02:55.566 --> 00:02:57.521 Keynes and Hayek throwing down. 00:02:57.521 --> 00:02:59.903 We could have done better, had we only spent more, 00:02:59.903 --> 00:03:02.039 too bad that only happens when there’s a World War. 00:03:02.070 --> 00:03:04.885 You can carp all you want about stats and regression, 00:03:04.885 --> 00:03:07.777 do you deny World War II cut short the Depression? 00:03:07.777 --> 00:03:10.605 Wow. One data point and you’re jumping for joy, 00:03:10.605 --> 00:03:13.230 the last time I checked, wars only destroy. 00:03:13.230 --> 00:03:15.813 There was no multiplier, consumption just shrank 00:03:15.813 --> 00:03:18.132 as we used scarce resources for every new tank. 00:03:18.132 --> 00:03:21.063 Pretty perverse to call that prosperity, 00:03:21.063 --> 00:03:23.870 rationed meat, rationed butter, a life of austerity. 00:03:23.870 --> 00:03:27.052 When that war spending ended, your friends cried disaster, 00:03:27.052 --> 00:03:31.782 yet the economy thrived and grew faster. 00:03:34.458 --> 00:03:36.700 You too only see what you want to see, 00:03:36.700 --> 00:03:39.636 the spending on war clearly goosed GDP. 00:03:39.636 --> 00:03:42.267 Unemployment was over, almost down to zero, 00:03:42.267 --> 00:03:44.978 that’s why I’m the master, that’s why I’m the hero. 00:03:44.978 --> 00:03:47.761 Creating employment’s a straigtforward craft, 00:03:47.761 --> 00:03:50.469 when the nation’s at war, and there’s a draft. 00:03:50.469 --> 00:03:53.094 If every worker was staffed in the army and fleet 00:03:53.094 --> 00:03:57.497 we’d have full employment and nothing to eat. 00:04:01.943 --> 00:04:04.693 Which way should we choose? 00:04:04.693 --> 00:04:07.235 More bottom up or more top down? 00:04:07.235 --> 00:04:09.735 The fight continues, 00:04:09.735 --> 00:04:12.703 Keynes and Hayek’s second round. 00:04:12.703 --> 00:04:15.250 It’s time to weigh in 00:04:15.250 --> 00:04:18.043 more from the top or from the ground. 00:04:18.043 --> 00:04:20.792 Let’s listen to the greats, 00:04:20.792 --> 00:04:22.846 Keynes and Hayek throwing down. 00:04:22.846 --> 00:04:25.333 Jobs are the means, not the ends in themselves, 00:04:25.333 --> 00:04:27.974 people work to live better, to put food on the shelves. 00:04:27.974 --> 00:04:30.308 Real growth means production of what people demand, 00:04:30.308 --> 00:04:32.933 that’s entrepreneurship not your central plan. 00:04:32.933 --> 00:04:35.849 My solution is simple and easy to handle, 00:04:35.849 --> 00:04:38.558 it’s spending that matters, why’s that such a scandal? 00:04:38.558 --> 00:04:41.078 Money sloshes through the pipes and the sluices 00:04:41.078 --> 00:04:43.310 revitalizing the economy’s juices. 00:04:43.310 --> 00:04:45.851 It’s just like an engine that’s stalled and gone dark, 00:04:45.851 --> 00:04:48.532 to bring it to life, we need a quick spark. 00:04:48.532 --> 00:04:51.201 Spending’s the life blood that gets the flow going, 00:04:51.201 --> 00:04:54.114 where it goes doesn’t matter, just get spending flowing. 00:04:54.114 --> 00:04:57.115 You see slack in some sectors as a “general glut”, 00:04:57.115 --> 00:04:59.520 but some sectors are healthy, only some in a rut. 00:04:59.520 --> 00:05:02.301 So spending’s not free, that’s the heart of the matter, 00:05:02.301 --> 00:05:05.319 too much is wasted as cronies get fatter. 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:08.059 The economy’s not a car, there’s no engine to stall, 00:05:08.059 --> 00:05:10.589 no expert can fix it, there’s no “it” at all. 00:05:10.589 --> 00:05:13.021 The economy’s us, we don’t need a mechanic, 00:05:13.021 --> 00:05:16.063 put away the wrenches, the economy’s organic. 00:05:16.063 --> 00:05:19.146 Which way should we choose? 00:05:19.146 --> 00:05:21.896 More bottom up or more top down? 00:05:21.896 --> 00:05:24.355 The fight continues, 00:05:24.355 --> 00:05:27.021 Keynes and Hayek’s second round. 00:05:27.021 --> 00:05:29.370 It’s time to weigh in 00:05:29.370 --> 00:05:32.245 more from the top or from the ground. 00:05:32.245 --> 00:05:34.870 Let’s listen to the greats, 00:05:34.870 --> 00:05:37.015 Keynes and Hayek throwing down. 00:05:37.015 --> 00:05:39.495 So what would you do to help those unemployed? 00:05:39.495 --> 00:05:42.053 This is the question you seem to avoid. 00:05:42.053 --> 00:05:44.654 When we’re in a mess, would you have us just wait, 00:05:44.654 --> 00:05:47.427 doing nothing until markets equilibrate? 00:05:47.427 --> 00:05:50.227 I don’t want to do nothing, there’s plenty to do, 00:05:50.227 --> 00:05:52.827 the question I ponder is who plans for whom? 00:05:52.827 --> 00:05:55.552 Do I plan for myself or leave it to you? 00:05:55.552 --> 00:05:58.419 I want plans by the many, not by the few. 00:05:58.419 --> 00:06:01.027 Let’s not repeat what created our troubles, 00:06:01.027 --> 00:06:03.693 I want real growth not a series of bubbles. 00:06:03.693 --> 00:06:06.027 Stop bailing out losers, let prices work, 00:06:06.027 --> 00:06:09.068 if we don’t try to steer them they won’t go berserk. 00:06:09.068 --> 00:06:11.652 Come on, are you kidding? Don’t Wall Street’s gyrations 00:06:11.652 --> 00:06:14.360 challenge your world view of self-regulation? 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.833 Even you must admit that the lesson we’ve learned 00:06:16.833 --> 00:06:19.809 is more oversight’s needed or else we’ll get burned. 00:06:19.809 --> 00:06:22.042 Oversight? The government’s long been in bed 00:06:22.042 --> 00:06:25.057 with those Wall Street execs and the firms that they’ve led. 00:06:25.057 --> 00:06:27.417 Capitalism’s about profit and loss, 00:06:27.417 --> 00:06:30.292 you bail out the losers, there’s no end to the cost. 00:06:30.292 --> 00:06:32.974 The lesson I’ve learned? It’s how little we know, 00:06:32.974 --> 00:06:35.599 the world is complex, not some circular flow. 00:06:35.599 --> 00:06:38.385 The economy’s not a class you can master in college, 00:06:38.385 --> 00:06:41.496 to think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge. 00:06:41.496 --> 00:06:44.561 Which way should we choose? 00:06:44.561 --> 00:06:47.023 More bottom up or more top down? 00:06:47.023 --> 00:06:49.449 The fight continues, 00:06:49.449 --> 00:06:52.365 Keynes and Hayek’s second round. 00:06:52.365 --> 00:06:54.449 It’s time to weigh in 00:06:54.449 --> 00:06:57.615 more from the top or from the ground. 00:06:57.615 --> 00:07:00.282 Let’s listen to the greats, 00:07:00.282 --> 00:07:01.765 Keynes and Hayek throwing down. 00:07:01.765 --> 00:07:04.902 You get on your high horse and you’re off to the races, 00:07:04.902 --> 00:07:07.589 I look at the world on a case by case basis. 00:07:07.589 --> 00:07:10.150 When people are suffering I roll up my sleeves 00:07:10.150 --> 00:07:12.797 and do what I can to cure our disease. 00:07:12.797 --> 00:07:15.304 The future’s uncertain, our outlooks are frail, 00:07:15.304 --> 00:07:18.091 that’s why free markets are so prone to fail. 00:07:18.091 --> 00:07:20.730 In a volatile world we need more discretion, 00:07:20.730 --> 00:07:23.771 so state intervention can counter depression. 00:07:23.771 --> 00:07:26.146 People aren’t chessmen you move on a board 00:07:26.146 --> 00:07:28.896 at your whim – their dreams and desires ignored. 00:07:28.896 --> 00:07:31.521 With political incentives, discretion’s a joke, 00:07:31.521 --> 00:07:33.996 those dials you’re twisting, just mirrors and smoke. 00:07:33.996 --> 00:07:36.621 We need stable rules and real market prices 00:07:36.621 --> 00:07:39.579 so prosperity emerges and cuts short the crisis. 00:07:39.579 --> 00:07:42.037 Give us a chance so we can discover 00:07:42.037 --> 00:07:45.037 the most valuable ways to serve one another. 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:50.719 Which way should we choose? 00:07:50.719 --> 00:07:53.552 More bottom up or more top down? 00:07:53.552 --> 00:07:55.969 The fight continues, 00:07:55.969 --> 00:07:58.761 Keynes and Hayek’s second round. 00:07:58.761 --> 00:08:01.466 It’s time to weigh in 00:08:01.466 --> 00:08:04.469 more from the top or from ground. 00:08:04.469 --> 00:08:06.643 Let’s listen to the greats, 00:08:06.643 --> 00:08:11.266 Keynes and Hayek throwing down. 00:08:20.513 --> 00:08:23.384 Which way should we choose? 00:08:23.384 --> 00:08:25.989 More bottom up or more top down? 00:08:25.989 --> 00:08:28.416 The fight continues, 00:08:29.001 --> 00:08:30.868 Keynes and Hayek’s second round. 00:08:30.868 --> 00:08:34.209 It’s time to weigh in 00:08:34.209 --> 00:08:37.224 more from the top or from ground. 00:08:37.224 --> 00:08:39.474 Let’s listen to the greats, 00:08:39.474 --> 00:08:43.025 Keynes and Hayek throwing down.