0:00:43.212,0:00:48.445 [applause] 0:00:58.863,0:01:01.370 It's a joy to be here with all of you. 0:01:03.170,0:01:07.315 To all the organizations that have put this event together 0:01:07.315,0:01:10.040 and made it possible for me to be here, 0:01:12.052,0:01:13.478 I'd like to say thank you. 0:01:13.478,0:01:18.460 And to the wonderful world of the seed, 0:01:18.460,0:01:19.946 I'd like to say thank you, 0:01:19.946,0:01:22.129 because, you know, I started out life thinking 0:01:22.744,0:01:28.120 the quanta was going to be my companion for life, 0:01:28.120,0:01:34.296 and I had to abandon that passionate love affair 0:01:34.296,0:01:36.618 with physics and quantam physics in particular 0:01:37.126,0:01:42.423 for a love affair with the seed. 0:01:42.423,0:01:45.256 Partly because the threat to the seed 0:01:45.256,0:01:52.919 made me realize how vital it was to continuity of life. 0:01:52.919,0:02:00.906 The word for seed in Hindi and Sanskrit is बीज. 0:02:00.906,0:02:06.154 ज means life, and बीज means that in which life 0:02:06.154,0:02:13.510 resides to arise on its own again and again and again. 0:02:13.510,0:02:16.975 And when we start a season, 0:02:16.975,0:02:20.783 lots of seed festivals with every cultivation season, 0:02:20.783,0:02:25.612 and we do because of our tropical climate have many more cultivation seasons. 0:02:25.612,0:02:30.535 Some places we have four seasons of cultivation, 0:02:30.535,0:02:34.018 especially in the area of for example Bengal; 0:02:34.018,0:02:39.684 in some places we have three, but most places we have two. 0:02:39.684,0:02:46.092 And before you sow the seed, there's a prayer: 0:02:46.092,0:02:51.247 "let the seed be exhaustless". 0:02:51.247,0:02:53.244 Let life never run out. 0:02:53.244,0:02:54.916 And the stories from around the world, 0:02:54.916,0:02:56.639 stories from my region, 0:02:56.639,0:03:00.024 I come from the Himalayan belt, um, 0:03:00.024,0:03:01.882 where during a war and a famine 0:03:04.020,0:03:07.548 people died of starvation. 0:03:07.548,0:03:14.108 But the seed which used to be kept in empty squash containers, which we call _ 0:03:14.108,0:03:18.972 not one seed had been eaten. 0:03:18.972,0:03:21.859 Because every culture recognized 0:03:21.859,0:03:24.737 you cannot eat seed corn. 0:03:24.737,0:03:26.438 You've got to save it for the future. 0:03:26.438,0:03:31.789 Your life doesn't matter, but life in general does matter. 0:03:31.789,0:03:44.189 And it's that wisdom of the seed to renew, to multiply, to be shared, to be spread, 0:03:44.189,0:03:48.368 that has suddenly been seen as a problem 0:03:48.368,0:03:55.845 for those who would make money out of killing the seed. 0:03:55.845,0:04:03.601 Killing the essential nature of the seed as a reproductive renewable resource. 0:04:03.601,0:04:06.526 And every attempt has been made in the last two decades 0:04:06.526,0:04:10.845 to turn seed into a non-renewable resource. 0:04:10.845,0:04:18.090 Out of it, something that in its own nature creates abundance, you know? 0:04:18.090,0:04:22.281 Every tiny seed, I get fascinated with seeds of amaranth for example, 0:04:22.281,0:04:25.985 You know how tiny that little seed of amaranth is? 0:04:25.985,0:04:29.142 And at least in our Himalaya you get, ah! 0:04:29.142,0:04:34.778 You can't even begin to count the number of seed one seed of amaranth can give rise to. 0:04:34.778,0:04:40.149 All the millets, or even the rices and the wheats and the barleys, 0:04:40.149,0:04:42.146 one gives rise to many. 0:04:42.146,0:04:44.235 That's a problem. 0:04:44.235,0:04:45.814 One should give rise to nothing, 0:04:45.814,0:04:48.554 then you make the profits. 0:04:48.554,0:04:53.338 And during the 80's I was very involved in some of these discussions. 0:04:53.815,0:04:57.069 They used to be in the FAO at that time, 0:04:57.069,0:05:03.229 the Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Nations 0:05:03.229,0:05:07.223 a term used called "seed wars". 0:05:07.223,0:05:13.121 The chemical industry that had moved into the seed sector, 0:05:13.121,0:05:20.459 um, had started to say it's not fair that farmers save seed. It's not equitable that they save seed, 0:05:20.459,0:05:26.682 equity is monopoly, only the corporations should have the right to seed. 0:05:26.682,0:05:29.189 And they spent a lot of time, couldn't get their way 0:05:29.189,0:05:35.598 because in the United Nations you have one vote for one country, 0:05:35.598,0:05:38.756 and the majority of the countries happen to be third world countries, 0:05:38.756,0:05:43.536 they happen to be countries which have given seed and biodivensity to the world, 0:05:43.536,0:05:50.598 and they did not like the idea of seed being reduced to private property. 0:05:50.598,0:05:57.239 So the corporations then moved to a new institution that was being created 0:05:57.239,0:06:04.994 through what was then a half institution called the General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs. 0:06:04.994,0:06:14.793 And it's fascinating that for 30 years the industry had drafted laws for all kinds of monopoly, 0:06:14.793,0:06:21.156 monopoly in entertainment, if a Mickey Mouse turns up anywhere, even in a child's notebook, 0:06:21.156,0:06:22.317 they should pay royalty. 0:06:22.317,0:06:24.081 Or a t-shirt. 0:06:24.081,0:06:32.812 And then, by then, a company that had only been related to warfare, to agent orange, 0:06:32.812,0:06:35.645 very rapidly moved into the biotechnology sector, 0:06:35.645,0:06:42.564 very rapidly started to buy up both venture capital firms as well as seed companies. 0:06:42.564,0:06:49.809 And Monsanto emerged as the biggest seed monopoly in the world 0:06:49.809,0:06:56.636 in the drafting of what is today called the Trade Related Intellectual Property Rights Agreement 0:06:56.636,0:06:57.797 what a mouthful. 0:06:57.797,0:07:00.212 Precisely because this is not trade related 0:07:00.212,0:07:01.883 and seed is not intellectual property, 0:07:01.883,0:07:04.298 it doesn't pop out of anyone's head. 0:07:04.298,0:07:10.614 Intellectual property is defined as property in products of the mind. 0:07:10.614,0:07:15.955 Here is a very material biological system 0:07:15.955,0:07:19.305 thst is suddenly redefined as intellectual property. 0:07:19.305,0:23:18.878 And, uh, a whole agreement was shaped around it 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and TR was put there because India, my country, refused to accept patent law as a trade issue. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They said no, this is about nations deciding how far monopolies will go. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Nations deciding the balance between the public and the private. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And we had worked out a patent law over 20 years of democratic debate in society 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 to get rid of the British laws that had been exactly like what we are coming back to. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Total monopoly in a few companies' hands. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So the lawyers of course, vary clever, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 put TR before IP and said now it's Trade Related by definition, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 so now you will accept it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 After the WTO came into force, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 a representative of Monsanto actually said this. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 he said that what we've achieved in this agreement is something unprecedented: 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 we defined a problem, and in this case the problem was farmers saving seeds. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That was a problem. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And we defined solution: make it illegal for farmers to save seeds. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And we created the instrument, which is the TRIPS Agreement, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 which forces every country now to have laws of monopoly. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And we created the institution that would ensure that these are implemented; 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the institution, WTO is an interesting institution 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because it's the international court, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it's an international non-parliament, non-democratic; 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and it is the international executive, yeah? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 As Monsanto's representative said, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in shaping this treaty we were the patient, the diagnostician, and the physician all in one. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 For me, that's a description of dictatorship. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 If you define the problem, you find the solution, you become the judge and the executive, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 where is democracy? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And around seed, which is the most democratic experience on the planet 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that spreads abundance. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The seed is as much part of the relationship of the bee and the butterfly, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 as it is with the soil organisms that it ultimately sustains, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 as it is with the food, the breakfast you're eating. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 All these relationships are in the seed. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In 1992 was I think the first time US companies started to enter India. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 '91 was when the whole new idea of globalization started to be spread 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 initially through the World Bank, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and '95 onwards for the World Trade Organization. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And I remember in '92 Cargill, which still owned its own seed supply, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 now it's owned by Monsanto, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I don't know how many of you realize 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that outside the US Cargill Seeds is now Monsanto. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 At that time Cargill was still Cargill, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and they'd brought in hybrid sunflower seeds which failed miserably. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I had been working with the farmers in India and the farmers' organizations, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and I had been telling them about these corporations. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 At that time of course Cargill was and still is the biggest grain trader. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And while doing workshops on the Uruguay round and the WTO and the GATT, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I used to tell them about the companies. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The farmers of , as a result of the failure of the sunflower 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 marched up to the Cargill... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 uh... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it shouldn't be called a seed production unit, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because seeds are produced in the field and in farms, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and the seed utilities ad facilities are really only packaging units. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 All they do is put a seal on it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And again, you might not even remember, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they used to, you used to have a trade representative whose name was Carla Hills. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And Carla Hills had visited India in 1988 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 saying crowbar by crowbar we are going to open your economy to our companies. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 This was around the time, you know, we'd had Bhopal in '84, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Dupont was sending an old nylon plant and we were saying sorry we don't want it, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And Carla Hill saying no you have it, your market is our market. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And she talked about this crowbar by crowbar and I talked to my farmer friends about it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So they went, literally with crowbars 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and pulled down this whole large prison-like utility, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and razed it to the ground and said 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 crowbar by crowbar we're gonna send these companies back to you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 [applause from the audience] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That's only part of the story. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The real story is at the end of it, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the Cargill head for Asia Pacific flies into India, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 holds a press conference, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and says how stupid Indian farmers are 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because they don't realize Cargill with its intelligence is creating seeds 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 which prevent the bees from usurping the pollen. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 This wonderful act of creating fertility through pollenation 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is now redefined as theft in a mindset where life should be owned as a monopoly. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 No plant should grown without permission from the companies, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 no seed should renew without permission of the company, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and of course no farmer should ever regrow a crop without paying a royalty. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In the negociations on the convention on biological diversity 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 a twin statement was made about about Roundup resistance. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We were basically saying we don't need negative traits 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 like making crops more resistant intolerant to herbicides, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 we need to phase out herbicides rather than spray more of them. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And if pesticides were bad, we definitely don't need pesticide plants, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 plants which produce theire own pesticide 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 by introducing genes for toxins into it like the [---beety---] crops. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And in the case of Roundup, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 again I remember, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in the negotiations on the convention on biological diversity that the Monsanto representative - 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think it was the vice president, the chair, or -- 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and he says "we are now breeding crops that prevent weeds from stealing the sunshine". 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Now, what is called weeds is really the biodiversity of diverse fields, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and the best sustainable agriculture, the best organic farming, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 has to be rotational and mixtures. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The minute you have a monoculture I disqualify it as organic. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Organic means letting nature do the essential work of renewal, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 of soil fertility [applause], moisture conservation, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and if you let nature do the work, nature needs companions, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it needs partners, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it needs helpers, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and only diversity offers the help, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and the substitutes for the poisons that have entered farming. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Only nature. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The nitrogen fixing that nature can do, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 if we do the right mixing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The wonderful botanicals that are available for pest control. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I fought for 11 years a case on the piracy of 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 a wonderful tree that we have used for pest control 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 for as long as I remember. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I remember when I first saw the patent on neem, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and it was said this was an invention of the pesticide use. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And I said my mother and grandmother were using neem to store grain, to store clothes, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 farmers of India have constantly used neem, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and when the terrible disaster of Bhopal took place in '84, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I remember I went to Bhopal and the, you know, the at the station were laughing at me 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because I was carrying these sapplings of neem. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They said "why are you carrying this?" 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And I told them about the disaster and said we are starting a campaign 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 "No More Bhopals, Plant A Neem", 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and then 10 years later find neem has been patented. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 For that 11 years. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But this is just one of thousands in every part of the world 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 has its own way of controlling weeds, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 of controlling pests, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 of doing everything that toxic chemicals have been introduced into farming for. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think the big problem with how seed has moved 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 from being the ultimate source of renewal of life, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 to becoming the ultimate non-renewable resource patented and owned, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 uh, by a handful of companies, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 now it's reduced to 5, very rapidly reduced to 5, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in this decade. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So fast that you can't even count, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 you can't even keep up with the counting. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Partly because for us this has all happened in a very short period, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 you know, for you it happened over a hundred years, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and so the generations that have passed 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 who saw the first disappearance of the open seed, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the free seed, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 we started to see the problem with the green revolution 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 introduced in 1965/68, 6 in India, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and the green revolution was basically the introduction of chemical industrial farming 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in peasant economy, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 where the average landholdings are less than a hectare, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 80% land holding are less than a hectare, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 70% of India, over 1.2 billion population, lives on the land, yah? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So you can imagine how tiny our farms are. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And on this land was introduced the chemicals. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Why did the green revolution have to wait til 1965/66? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They were trying from the end of the war. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 All those war chemicals including the nitrogen from explosives factories, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 all the pesticides, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they needed to find a market. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But the indigenous seeds 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 practiced non-cooperation with chemicals, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they just _, no, don't want you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Sot he problem was the seed had to be redesigned to adapt to chemicals. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The promotion, propaganda by the green revolution was "feeding the hungry". 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 No, it was just spreading chemicals and poisons around the world. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And the redesigning was done by the dwarfing technique, you know? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Taking genes from the dwarf varieties, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in the case of rice from an Indonesian variety, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in the case of wheat from a Japanese variety collected during the war, norin. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And these dwarf varieties then, could take a lot of chemicals, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but they required a lot of water. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Interestingly, the dwarfing was making the plant produce less biological matter. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And the useful biological matter for the soil, for the animals, had just disappeared overnight. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The straw was now seen as waste, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but the straw is what feeds the cattle, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the straw is what goes back into your compost, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the straw is what makes organic. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So this one change to adapt the seed to chemical 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 meant the disappearance of fodder for livestock, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 therefore the disappearance of animals, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 therefore the entry of tractors into a poor country. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And I go around the country and find some of the highest debt is for the tractors 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that were bought 20 years, 30 years ago, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 today, the farmers are having to pay the bills and they can't afford to. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And the cattle have disappeared. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Because truly sustainable agriculture is agriculture not just with diversity of crops, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but with an integration with livestock, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and an integration with perennials and trees, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 then you have the perfect organic farm, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 then nature has a way to recycle the biological systems to perfection. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And as [Albert] Howard said, writing about Indian farms in 1905 when he came to India, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and in his wonderful book The Agricultural Testament Howard said 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 "The farms here are as permanent as the forest and the prairie 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because they work on those principles of nature". 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And that's another reason why I feel there has to be a much more intimate ineraction 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 between the ecology movement and the organic movement, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because some ecologists still think that the day farming began, nature was assaulted.[?] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 No, you can work with nature in non-violent ways to produce for human needs 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 while keeping space, leaving adequate ecological space for other species. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And even more importantly, a lesson we have learned, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the more space you leave for other beings, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the more food you get for human beings. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 [applause] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Totally counter-intuitive . 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Of course the more has to be counted in diversity. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And I have talked about the mono culture of the mind, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 which excludes diversity, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 focuses on a single commodity, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and on the yield of one part of a plant for that commodity production, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 shrinks the farms biological capacity, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and talks about increasing production. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And that's because the monoculture of the mind 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 has left the biodiversity out. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I really think we need to shift from measuring yields to measuring output, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and we need to... yields refer to an individual commodity production, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and yields refer to what leaves the farm; 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 output refers to what the farm produces 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 including what will be used as an internal input on the farm itself. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Something that's just not calculated. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 All the compost we grow, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the seeds we grow out, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they're never counted as part of what the farm is producing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Well this green revolution 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 ... was destroyed within 10 years of chemical agriculture. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 There seems to be a habit 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 of, you know, if things go wrong and things are non-sustainable, just do more of it faster. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And that's what biotech has become, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it's called, in India it's called a Second Green Revolution. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And interestingly you know, when your former president Bush 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 signed an agreement with our Prime Minister in 19... in 2005 on the nuclear deal, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 there was another piece of paper right there on the desk, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 which is an agriculture agreement 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 to make genetic engineering _ 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 on the board of this agreement sit Monsanto, sit Walmart, and I think ConAgra. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So our relationship now is very very intimate 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because it is the same companies 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that are preventing American farmers from having access to seed, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and are preventing Indian farmers from not just having access to seed, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but having access to life. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The first GM crop introduced into India was in '98, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and it's the Beattie cotton. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I just call it the pesticide cotton. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The Beattie cotton was brought in by Monsanto 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and Monsanto put these arrogant ads in the newspapers 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 about how Indian farmers would have bulgar [wheat]. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So I started to ring up the ministries, and said have they sought approval? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And of course nobody had been checked, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because Monsanto had worked at dismantling laws in this country, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 so there's no regulation on genetic engineering in the U.S. at all. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's a de-regulated sector. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And Monsanto thought you can walk into any country and assume there is no regulation, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but we do have regulation. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And so I took them to court, I sued them, took them to the Supreme Court. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And the introduction was delayed up to 2005. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Since 2005 they've started tosell Beattie cotton, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and in certain areas there's only Beattie cotton available now. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 These are the areas where the farmers have the, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 where we have the highest rate of farmer suicides. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In the last decade 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 during which seed monopolies were established,\ 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 during which the global players started to buy up Indian companies, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 or have licensing arrangements with them, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 we have lost more than 200,000 farmers in suicides. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We've of course lost 8 million farmers who had to leave the land. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's a combinatioin of seed monopolies and falling prices, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 linked to the subsidies, the 4 billion dollars in the case of cotton, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and unfair trade rules. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's a genocidal packet that must destroy farmers. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And doesn't kill farmers metaphorically. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It kills farmers biologically. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We started 2 years ago to work in this area. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And the interesting thing is, by shifting to organic 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the farmers are earning 10 times more than the Beattie cotton farmers, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 even though every advertisement of Monsanto 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 talks about how farmers earn more with GM crops. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And that's also very interesting, you know, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 my mind kind of... gets very troubled every time I see a huge inconsistency. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So why should you have seed monopolies for cheap food? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Costly seed, cheap food. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Something must be going funny in the middle. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 You get farmers to pay higher royalties, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and they're supposed to have higher inomes, how? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The aim of the seed industry is a trillion dollars of profits from royalties every year. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And the aim is no farmer should have access to their own seed. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The aim is every farmer should be forced into the market every year. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And you can only do that by using multiple instruments of control over the seed. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The first instrument as I mentioned is the intellectual property laws 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 covering both patents as well as breeders rights that have become more and more like patents. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Earlier they used to have farmers concessions, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 used to have breeders concessions, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they've all gone in the new _ 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the of 90/91, looks just like a patent law. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And interestingly, a patent is supposed to be granted for an invention. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 A seed is not an invention. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 A seed exists before you can do anything with it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 All you can do with the seed is manipulate it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Manipulation has never been treated as creation. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's often treated as cruelty. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I would call GM cruelty to seed. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Uh, and yet, there has been this claim to invention and therefore a right to ownership. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Of course it's very interesting 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because it reflects a fundamental split, a fundamental schizophrenia 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 When it comes to owning seeds and owning plants through patents, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the same corporations go around saying 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 "we've created something new, it's novel". 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The word used in the European laws is "novel foods". 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 GM foods is not called GM foods, it's called "novel foods". 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And when it comes to people being concerned about the environmental risks, the health risks, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the same industry comes around and says "just like nature made it". 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 You're doing nothing new. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 This is like the bacteria in your yogurt, and... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that's why they picked the word "biotechnology", 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and shed the word genetic engineering, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because biotechnology was grandmother making cheese and yogurt, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And SynGen and Monsanto were doing exactly what your grandmother did, nothing new. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Except grandmother never took a patent, and you are taking a patent. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 [laughter] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Now the legal term that has been created in the U.S. and has been spread around the world, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 a highly unscientific term that's used to make GM look natural, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is "substantial equivalence". 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Treat the genetically engineered seed 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 as equal to the parent. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So don't look, don't see, don't find, declare safety. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And anytime a scientist comes up with looking at what has happened, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 you make sure you hound that scientist out of their lab and their work. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Especially with the new intimate relationship between universities and the companies, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it's not that difficult. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Over the last 20 years I've seen some of the top scientists with whom I worked 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 been forced out of their university system 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 just because they did an independent piece of research. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Árpád Pusztai, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mae-Wan Ho. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Ignacio Chapela, they tried with the Berkeley scientists, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 couldn't work it out because he just brought his chair in front of the Dean's office 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and said I won't move til you give me my tenure. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And they were forced. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Elaine Ingham from the University of Oregon 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 did this amazing work on the impact of GM wheat, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 with the, with the soil bacterium, genes from a soil bacterium added to it, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and that led in fact to the company, the German company, withdrawing that product; 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but it also led to the International Biosafety Protocol. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 She is now an independent scientist, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but does not have a lab in the university. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Um, so every time independent science is done, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it's defined as "junk science", 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and "junk science" is institutionalized as real science, as good science. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And these days you know the "good bank" thing? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 "Good bank", "bad bank" after they've created all this toxic assets, yah? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Suddenly they're supposed to be a bad bank that'll take up all this corruption of the financial world. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And again, interesting concept, yah? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Concentrate toxicity, and it'll become neutralized. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 [laughter] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The work we've been doing on suicides of farmers 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 has started to have government response 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In the early days the government used to say 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 "oh, they must have been alcoholics" or "they must have committed adultry", 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and I said "that's a large number of farmers suddenly becoming adulterers and alcoholics 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 [laughter] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and eventually the Prime Minister had to go down to these areas 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and recognize that farmer suicides linked to economic distress is a real phenomenon. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So what does Monsanto do? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Start using institutions to say there's no link between suicides and the Beattie cotton. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The interesting thing is, the papers they generate, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 as one from IFPRI, which has been used a lot against me, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the International Food Policy Research Institute in Washington has put out a paper, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 goes round about the virtues of Beattie, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 as if everything is built into the seed; 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and then when it comes to the failure, or when it comes to the farmers going into distress, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 then it is no more about the seed itself, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it's about the farmer who was stupid, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it's about the soil that was wrong, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and it's about the climate that didn't fit. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And here again you have schizophrenia. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Good performance -- in the GM seed. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Bad performance -- you're to blame. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So always there's a perpetuation of a mythology of the perfect seed. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And interestingly the green revolution, when it was spread to India, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they didn't just say "we're bringing you seeds that are more responsive to chemicals", 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 which would have been the more honest way to describe it, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 rather than "high-yielding varieties". 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 This [Norman Ernest] Borlaug, who was the scientist who did that dwarfing, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 interestingly he came out of the Dupont defence labs, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 knew about the chemicals, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 reworked the plants to be able to take mroe chemicals, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 just as genetic engineering is re-working the plants once more at a deeper genetic level, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 to be even more adaptive to chemicals, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Borlaug said, of the 12 scientists he had trained, he called them his apostles. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They were his wheat apostles distributing miracle seeds. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So you do have a whole structure of seed monopolies 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 enshrined within a new mythology, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 a new religion, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 where we are asked to be blind[sic] and not think any more. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Interestingly, in the case of Indian sales, Monsanto actually recruits our gods as salesmen. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Every poster, every video has a god. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In northern state of Punjab, where the Sikhs are the most important religion, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and Guru Nanak was the founder of that religion, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Guru Nanak is used as a salesman. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In south India out of the you get Hanuman who brought this herb to save the life of Hanuman's brother, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 you have Hanuman bringing you this life-saving seed, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 which is really the killing seed. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That's another way in which seed monopolies are established. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Seed monopolies are also established by introducing seed replacement. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And whenever I debate with our government, I always tell them, I say 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 "you know, seeds are not like dirty socks. When your socks start to stink, you'd better change them. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And wash them. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But seeds are perrennia, they don't get replaced, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 you evolve them, you breed them, you adapt them, but you don't throw them out." 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They're not like a new model of a car either. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Seeds are life itself, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and therefore, seed replacement is wrong. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Now, you can only have a monopoly on seed through patenet 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 if you have had a closure on the alternative supply, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because why on earth would farmers pay royalties every year 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 if they could have free seed they can save year in and year out? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 To create that closure, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the industry has evolved compulsory licensing and registration laws, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 compulsory registration, compulsory licensing laws,\ 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 which basically mean farmers can't have their own seed, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they must only grow seeds that are licensed, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they must have approval from the state. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But an indigenous seed evolved and bred by farmers, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 an open for pollenated variety seed has never done harm to anyone. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 GM seeds can cause genetic contamination, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but an open pollenated variety has no harm, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and since it has no harm, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 there is absolutely no need for state regulation. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The state regulates the harmful. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It should not invade into the harmless zones of life. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The interesting thing is, they tried to introduce this law in 2004 in India, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it's called the New Seed Law. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's not that we don't have a seed law, we have a seed law, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but it doesn't prevent farmers from having their own seed, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it merely regulated the industry. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Now they want to have farmers regulated, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and the seed industry, now the biotech industry, de-regulated. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So we did what Gandhi had done in 1930. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 You might remember the British had tried to monopolize salt, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 just so they could buy bigger guns so they could control us better, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and the Salt Laws were meant to make salt-making illegal by Indians. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Only the British could make the salt.\ 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And Gandhi walked to the beach and picked up the salt, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and said (not verbatim) "nature gives this for free. We need it for our survival. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We will continue to make salt. We are forced to disobey your laws." 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And, uh, the Salt Laws never worked in India. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 People went to jail, people were killed, but the Salt Laws never worked in India. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So we took inspiration from that, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and have been doing what we call the seed सत्य के लिए लड़ाई. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The सत्य के लिए लड़ाई means "the fight for truth". 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Beginning '91 when these monopolies were created, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 we've had rally after rally, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 half a million farmers, 2 million farmers, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 basically declaring that seed is a common resource, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 we have received it from our ancestors, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 we have to protect it for future generations, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 of all species, because seed doesn't just belong to humans, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it belongs to allt he species who are nourished by any species of plant. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We will therefore not obey a law 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that makes it illegal for us to perform our highest ecological duty on earth, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 which is to save seeds for the future. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 [applause] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So in 2004 we stopped this law from coming into force. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I gave I don't know how many millions of signatures I gave to our Prime Minister, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and said you can do what the British did with teh Salt Law. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We are not going to obey, because we have to obey a higher law. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Monsanto law is a low law, degraded law, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and any law restricting farmers rights is in today's world a Monsanto law. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Even when governments write it, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 an invisible hand of Monsanto is behind that writing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So how do we create seed freedom 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in this time of seed imperialism, seed colonialism, seed closure? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We do it by creating community seedbanks, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that's how I started Navdanya 21 years ago, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 just saving every seed available,and distributing it widely, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 keeping it as an open access system. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Every farmer of Navdanya, and we have about 400,000 members, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 every farmer, the only yhing they have to do is take a pledge 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that seed will never be used as an exclusive right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Not by them, not by anyone else. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They will continue to share seed, and they will continue to save seed. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In the area of the suicides, we have managed to save seeds and bring farmers organic options back. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We've also just finished some research 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 to show that Beattie cotton has destroyed in 3 years of planting, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 26% of vital micro organisms in the soil. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So organic is the only way to rebuild it. 40:35 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We have created climate resilient seed banks. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Banks where seeds for high drought tolerance, hight flood tolerance, salt tolerance are available 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And we've distributed every time there's a disaster, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 a drought in central India, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 even after the tsunami, the salt tolerant rices, we took two truckloads of these things. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Interestingly, Monsanto, which has beena leader in biopiracy and SynGen and the biotech industry, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is now trying to patent the climate-resilient traits, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 which they can't create because genetic engineering is a very linear, single-gene expression technology. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Climate resilience is a multi-genetic trait,but all they're doing is genetic mapping. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And these days, computers do it, you don't even need a human being. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In fact, if there's a property right, they should give it to that machine 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 [laughter] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because they're not doing the thinking, they're not doing the creation, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it's an assemby line of doing the genome mapping. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The map is being used to claim ownership, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and we are going to start a big campaign 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 to not just keep seeds in the open domain, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but especially seeds required for climate adaption 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 as a common resource for our common defence in these vilnerable times. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We will of course have to make very rapid and radical shifts very fast, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 from breeding for responding to chemicals, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 to breeding for resilience, adaption. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 From breeding for a single yield trait, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 to breeding for nutrition and taste and quality. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We've done a lot of research with native varieties, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they always have higher nitritional quality. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So we should be measuring nutrition per crop, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and nutrition per acre, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 not just the mass produced. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 What's the point of empty mass? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Empty mass doesnt nourish our bodies. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Empty mass doesn't nourish the soil. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We need to go back, seriously, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 to the issue of quality, the issue of nutrition, the issue of life itself. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Saving seed, for me, is defending life, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and saving seeds in these vulnerable times 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is making sure we can imagine with hope 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that life will continue in all its vibrance, in all its diversity, in all its beauty. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Thank you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 [applause] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 [narrator] You've been listening to physicist, ecologist, and author Vandana Shiva, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 speaking at the organic ecology conference in Portland Oregon of February 28, 2009. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In a moment we'll return to the question and answer session from the presentation. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Vandana Shiva, a physicist, feminist, philosopher of science, and science policy advocate, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is the director of the research Foundation for Science, Technology, and Natural Resource Policy. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 She is the 1993 recipient of the Right Livelihood Award, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and serves as ecology advisor to several organizations, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 including the Third World Network, and the Asia Pacific Peoples Environment Network. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Her books include 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Her latest book is 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 To find out more about Vandana Shiva and her work, please visit the Navdanya website at 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And now we return to the question and answer session from the program. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 [question] Good morning, I just had a question that relates to the speaker that we had yesterday, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul Roberts, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and, um, he mentioned, someone asked a question about local food, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and the possibilities of around the world being able to raise our own food, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 enough food for ourselves where we live right now with climate change, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and our expectaitons of what we should be able to eat, um, seasonality and that kind of thing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And in response to this, one of the things that he said was that 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in many of the Asian countries 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that at the rate of population growth, um, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they will not be able to sustain themselves using sustainable agriculture practices, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 um, and be able to feed themselves. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And one thing that we can do here in the United States and North America 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is to be able to, using sustainable practices, grow enough food 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 so that we will be able to ship food to Asian countries, um, preventing starvation. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And I was just wondering if you could address this idea 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 of local food and with population raising all the time, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 being able to feed, everyone being able to feed themselves where they are, for themselves. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 [Vandana Shiva] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The first thing about local food is that the tropics lend themselves better to producing mroe food.. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And for anyone who thinks a temperate climate and cultivation in deserts 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 based on mining aquifers, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 has to be the basis of providing food to the world, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and Asian countries, most of which are tropical countries, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 a little bit of China is outside the tropics, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but I mean you go from India into Indonesia, and Malaysia, should see the abundance. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We have a report, you can get this from our website, Navdanya.org, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and it's on biodiversity based productivity. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We've done survey after survey of hundreds of farms, including our organic farms. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The food production is double, sometimes five fold more. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The reason it's not seen is because 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the agricultural paradigm has been reduced to a monoculture of commodities, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 then you focus on the commodities 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and say they can't produce more commodities, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but we can produce mroe food.