WEBVTT 00:00:00.097 --> 00:00:03.025 (Irish Dead Archives - Case Study No 9: Bridget Heany) 00:00:03.577 --> 00:00:05.926 (Narrated by Josephine O'Leary) 00:00:06.334 --> 00:00:07.972 (Munster Circuit. Limerick County Assizes, 1845. Friday, March 7. Crown Side. (Before the Honourable Mr. Justice Jackson.) - The Queen v. O'Brien (a)) 00:00:07.972 --> 00:00:10.042 (Witness - Evidence. The testimony of a deaf and dumb person ...) 00:00:10.149 --> 00:00:13.014 ("The testimony of a deaf and dumb person" - Is this admissible?) 00:00:13.122 --> 00:00:16.137 Here is another court case. 00:00:16.137 --> 00:00:20.749 This time, someone was charged with killing a man called McNamara 00:00:20.749 --> 00:00:25.922 with a blow to the head with a turf shovel. 00:00:25.922 --> 00:00:30.183 At the time it happened, a lot of people were working in the turf field, 00:00:30.183 --> 00:00:32.172 in between haystacks that dotted the landscape. 00:00:32.172 --> 00:00:35.823 (Something happened behind one of the haystacks!) 00:00:35.823 --> 00:00:43.235 Two women working away saw the defendant walking away with a shovel, 00:00:43.235 --> 00:00:46.586 but didn't take much notice, wondering about the second man. 00:00:46.586 --> 00:00:51.845 Later on, they walked around and found McNamara on the ground dead, 00:00:51.845 --> 00:00:55.048 with a bloody head. 00:00:55.048 --> 00:00:59.258 (People came forward as witnesses) 00:00:59.258 --> 00:01:04.365 The woman told the police what they saw happened, 00:01:04.365 --> 00:01:06.019 about the man walking off. 00:01:06.019 --> 00:01:07.519 This woman was with her Deaf sister. 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:09.710 When they heard she was deaf, they had a problem. 00:01:09.710 --> 00:01:14.330 They wanted her witness testimony, but how would they get it interpreted? 00:01:14.330 --> 00:01:17.962 The sister claimed that she could interpret, that she could sign very well, 00:01:17.962 --> 00:01:20.262 that her sister was well able to understand the priest. 00:01:20.262 --> 00:01:22.239 That her sister was a staunch Catholic, 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:24.271 and well able to converse with people in sign language. 00:01:24.271 --> 00:01:25.464 After the court heard her statement, 00:01:25.464 --> 00:01:27.230 they decided to allow her to interpret the Oath, 00:01:27.245 --> 00:01:28.668 for her sister to swear. 00:01:28.668 --> 00:01:31.394 Hence the two of them could give their testimonies to the Court. 00:01:31.394 --> 00:01:35.622 (Limerick County Assizes) 00:01:35.622 --> 00:01:39.699 (Main Courthouse, Limerick - www.limerickslife.com) 00:01:39.699 --> 00:01:43.350 (However, the counsel for the defence had an important question.) 00:01:43.499 --> 00:01:50.649 The Defence Counsel asked the interpreter what exactly was said for the oath, 00:01:50.649 --> 00:01:51.688 the wording conveyed, 00:01:51.688 --> 00:01:53.528 and questioned whether the Deaf woman understood the Oath fully. 00:01:53.528 --> 00:01:55.382 The sister said that the Deaf woman understood fully 00:01:55.382 --> 00:01:59.346 because she was told that if she did not tell the truth, 00:01:59.346 --> 00:02:02.103 the priest would kill her. 00:02:02.103 --> 00:02:06.226 (Southside Courthouse and Jail www.limerickslife.com) 00:02:06.226 --> 00:02:11.105 After some deliberation, 00:02:11.105 --> 00:02:14.093 the Defence Counsel moved to reject the claim that 00:02:14.093 --> 00:02:16.101 the Deaf witness fully understood the nature and meaning of the Oath. 00:02:16.101 --> 00:02:20.228 (So Bridget Heany was not accepted as a witness after all.)