1 00:00:00,097 --> 00:00:03,025 (Irish Dead Archives - Case Study No 9: Bridget Heany) 2 00:00:03,577 --> 00:00:05,926 (Narrated by Josephine O'Leary) 3 00:00:06,334 --> 00:00:07,972 (Munster Circuit. Limerick County Assizes, 1845. Friday, March 7. Crown Side. (Before the Honourable Mr. Justice Jackson.) - The Queen v. O'Brien (a)) 4 00:00:07,972 --> 00:00:10,042 (Witness - Evidence. The testimony of a deaf and dumb person ...) 5 00:00:10,149 --> 00:00:13,014 ("The testimony of a deaf and dumb person" - Is this admissible?) 6 00:00:13,122 --> 00:00:16,137 Here is another court case. 7 00:00:16,137 --> 00:00:20,749 This time, someone was charged with killing a man called McNamara 8 00:00:20,749 --> 00:00:25,922 with a blow to the head with a turf shovel. 9 00:00:25,922 --> 00:00:30,183 At the time it happened, a lot of people were working in the turf field, 10 00:00:30,183 --> 00:00:32,172 in between haystacks that dotted the landscape. 11 00:00:32,172 --> 00:00:35,823 (Something happened behind one of the haystacks!) 12 00:00:35,823 --> 00:00:43,235 Two women working away saw the defendant walking away with a shovel, 13 00:00:43,235 --> 00:00:46,586 but didn't take much notice, wondering about the second man. 14 00:00:46,586 --> 00:00:51,845 Later on, they walked around and found McNamara on the ground dead, 15 00:00:51,845 --> 00:00:55,048 with a bloody head. 16 00:00:55,048 --> 00:00:59,258 (People came forward as witnesses) 17 00:00:59,258 --> 00:01:04,365 The woman told the police what they saw happened, 18 00:01:04,365 --> 00:01:06,019 about the man walking off. 19 00:01:06,019 --> 00:01:07,519 This woman was with her Deaf sister. 20 00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:09,710 When they heard she was deaf, they had a problem. 21 00:01:09,710 --> 00:01:14,330 They wanted her witness testimony, but how would they get it interpreted? 22 00:01:14,330 --> 00:01:17,962 The sister claimed that she could interpret, that she could sign very well, 23 00:01:17,962 --> 00:01:20,262 that her sister was well able to understand the priest. 24 00:01:20,262 --> 00:01:22,239 That her sister was a staunch Catholic, 25 00:01:22,239 --> 00:01:24,271 and well able to converse with people in sign language. 26 00:01:24,271 --> 00:01:25,464 After the court heard her statement, 27 00:01:25,464 --> 00:01:27,230 they decided to allow her to interpret the Oath, 28 00:01:27,245 --> 00:01:28,668 for her sister to swear. 29 00:01:28,668 --> 00:01:31,394 Hence the two of them could give their testimonies to the Court. 30 00:01:31,394 --> 00:01:35,622 (Limerick County Assizes) 31 00:01:35,622 --> 00:01:39,699 (Main Courthouse, Limerick - www.limerickslife.com) 32 00:01:39,699 --> 00:01:43,350 (However, the counsel for the defence had an important question.) 33 00:01:43,499 --> 00:01:50,649 The Defence Counsel asked the interpreter what exactly was said for the oath, 34 00:01:50,649 --> 00:01:51,688 the wording conveyed, 35 00:01:51,688 --> 00:01:53,528 and questioned whether the Deaf woman understood the Oath fully. 36 00:01:53,528 --> 00:01:55,382 The sister said that the Deaf woman understood fully 37 00:01:55,382 --> 00:01:59,346 because she was told that if she did not tell the truth, 38 00:01:59,346 --> 00:02:02,103 the priest would kill her. 39 00:02:02,103 --> 00:02:06,226 (Southside Courthouse and Jail www.limerickslife.com) 40 00:02:06,226 --> 00:02:11,105 After some deliberation, 41 00:02:11,105 --> 00:02:14,093 the Defence Counsel moved to reject the claim that 42 00:02:14,093 --> 00:02:16,101 the Deaf witness fully understood the nature and meaning of the Oath. 43 00:02:16,101 --> 00:02:20,228 (So Bridget Heany was not accepted as a witness after all.)