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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well let me help you understand.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.48,0:00:04.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't understand my faith like I do, alright, so,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.21,0:00:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so give me, for a moment, the benefit of the doubt
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.60,0:00:09.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that having been a leader of my church, a bishop and a state president,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.41,0:00:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand my church better than you do. - Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.50,0:00:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Alright, my church has very strong beliefs that Mormons
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.80,0:00:19.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should not participate in, encourage, in any way support abortion.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.14,0:00:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- You could be excommunicated if you do, it says right there. That's what they say, I don't say it! {\i1}[laughs]{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.12,0:00:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Are you thinking I'm disagreeing with you?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.03,0:00:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, I don't know but if it's stronger...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.68,0:00:29.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Are you disagreeing with me?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.37,0:00:33.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me once again say, I understand my faith better than you do.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.66,0:00:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.80,0:00:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- You don't believe that do you?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.96,0:00:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'm not sure, you see, I...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.88,0:00:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well, then it's hardly worth having a discussion with you.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.62,0:00:40.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well no no, I'm...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.77,0:00:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Listen, let me... can I complete the point?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.68,0:00:47.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well, the reason I said that, is because you also said in another forum,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.15,0:00:51.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it was on Stephanopoulos, about the second coming of Christ. - Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.34,0:00:53.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And you said it's gonna happen in Jerusalem. - And it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.86,0:00:56.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And your church says it's gonna happen in Missouri. - No it doesn't.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.03,0:00:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh, is that wrong? - Is what wrong, is what wrong?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.14,0:01:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The church says that Christ appears on the Mount of Olives and splits the Mount of Olives
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.23,0:01:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and appears in Jerusalem. That's what the church says.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.46,0:01:11.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then over a thousand years, the millennium, that the world is reigned in two places,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.57,0:01:13.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jerusalem and Missouri. That's what the church says.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.78,0:01:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The second coming, the arrival of Jesus Christ, our church says is in Jerusalem. That's the church doctrine.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.12,0:01:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So Stephanopoulos mis-quoted your church, which is not surprising...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.26,0:01:25.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- That's fine, that's fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.81,0:01:28.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...but I was basing my question on that premise.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.77,0:01:32.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Cleon Skousen has a book called "A Thousand Years" you can talk about.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.58,0:01:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christ appears, it's throughout the Bible, Christ appears in Jerusalem,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.54,0:01:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,splits the Mount of Olives to stop the war that's coming in to kill all the Jews,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.72,0:01:43.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's... our church believes that. That's where the coming and glory of Christ occurs.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.40,0:01:46.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also believe that over the thousand years that follows, the millennium,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.74,0:01:51.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he will reign from two places, that the law will come forward from one place...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.29,0:01:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Missouri, and the other will be in Jerusalem. Alright, that's... now back to abortion.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.72,0:02:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Before we... I have to get back on... but before we do anything else
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.96,0:02:04.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want you to understand one thing. I take this stuff real seriously.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.54,0:02:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh I don't though. For me this is all frivolous. [!]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.90,0:02:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, I take you... no seriously now...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.90,0:02:10.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Come on, I'm running for President!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.02,0:02:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Now gimme a second, I'm just... just relax. I take you seriously, and I take what you're saying seriously.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.28,0:02:20.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- But you're not giving me the opportunity to explain to you...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.85,0:02:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- We only got eight minutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.86,0:02:28.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ... that my, that my... my faith has very strong beliefs, that if I commit abortion, encourage an abortion...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.41,0:02:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was beaten up in Boston because I pointed out time and again that I encouraged girls
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.59,0:02:34.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not to get abortions. That I told her [sic] to have adoptions.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.100,0:02:39.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have never done anything that in any way violates the principles of my church in that regard.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.86,0:02:41.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've made other mistakes, but in that regard.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.55,0:02:49.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the church does not say that a member of our church has to be opposed to allowing choice in society.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.95,0:02:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It does not say that. And therefore, there are Mormon Democrats.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.76,0:02:58.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a Democratic Party in Utah, filled with Mormons,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.47,0:03:00.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the church doesn't say "they're wrong, they're being ex-communicated", no, it says,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.93,0:03:05.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Look, we are vehemently opposed to abortion. Ourselves, and for ourselves."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.94,0:03:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"But we allow other people to make their own choice."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.60,0:03:12.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I disagree with that view. Politicially, I looked at it and I said, you know what, that's wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.36,0:03:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's not a Mormon thing, it's a secular position to say, you know what, I was wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.86,0:03:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should have as a society a prohibition on abortion in the following circumstances.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.92,0:03:26.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- When, er...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.02,0:03:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- But it's not violating my faith, let me assure you.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.61,0:03:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I hope we can do this, and we can spend some quality time on the air,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.08,0:03:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than the soundbite stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.47,0:03:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No I, I mean, I don't like coming on the air and having you go after my church and me and my...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.56,0:03:41.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'm not going after your church, I agree with your church!
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.24,0:03:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I know, that's right, but... I'm not running as a Mormon,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.96,0:03:48.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I get a little tired of coming on a show like yours and having it all about Mormon. [sic]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.83,0:03:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- See, I don't mind it being about that...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.11,0:03:52.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah, I do. I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.63,0:03:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I agree with the ethics of your church, for Pete's sake!
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.94,0:03:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So do I, so do I.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.18,0:03:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well, {\i1}[laughs]{\i0}, so I was trying to...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.56,0:04:04.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, you're trying to tell me that I'm not a faithful Mormon, that I'm not faithful to my church.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.08,0:04:08.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, I'm trying to get you to reconcile what I think is a disparity between...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.65,0:04:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...and have a great discussion about Mormonism and the Mormon church
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.07,0:04:14.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reading the doctrines of the church and where my view is, and you know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.85,0:04:18.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not running to talk about Mormonism.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.75,0:04:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, but the point is, you know, people who are likely to vote don't want to elect
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.86,0:04:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Ted Kennedy, who runs, comes back, or a Senator Harken,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.10,0:04:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who comes here to dalley, and comes here to Iowa and says "I'm pro-life",
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.02,0:04:38.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when he gets to Washington stands up and becomes pro-choice.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.14,0:04:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Here's your opportunity to have that settled in your mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.92,0:04:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was Governor for four years. See, that is what I'm talking about.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.52,0:04:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was Governor for four years. I had a number of pieces of legislation that came to my desk
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.10,0:04:54.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that dealt with abortion, abstinence education, RU486, and so forth.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.14,0:04:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I vetoed any bill that was in favour of choice. I was entirely consistent in favour of life.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.96,0:05:02.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's not just my word that have to take, but my record. Alright, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.66,0:05:06.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Thank you. Thanks a lot.