WEBVTT 00:00:57.068 --> 00:00:58.760 Why are you here? 00:00:59.391 --> 00:01:03.994 Just to express my discontent 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:06.360 and to be with the people 00:01:06.360 --> 00:01:08.200 and to support the movement actually. 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:11.560 Because it's a great movement, there's a good power in there. 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:14.000 Partly to show my support 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:17.209 with this current global protest 00:01:18.748 --> 00:01:21.480 a part from my own conviction that 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:25.680 it's time to wake up in Europe and over the whole world 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:30.360 and pausing over what has happened in our economy 00:01:30.360 --> 00:01:34.680 with bank situations, in fact, the current crisis. 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:40.360 I'm here but I live in Leuven and I wanted to a have a moment 00:01:40.360 --> 00:01:43.560 to manifest my indignation since Spain, 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:46.440 because I'm from Spain and I'm 'Indignada' 00:01:47.132 --> 00:01:52.354 and I'm here to do exactly as I would have done in Spain, but here. 00:01:52.585 --> 00:01:55.960 And why are you really indignant? 00:01:55.960 --> 00:02:00.320 Because in Spain, politics are playing jokes with us, 00:02:00.320 --> 00:02:02.400 with the people, 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:06.855 we need change, the economy, politics, everything. 00:02:06.855 --> 00:02:08.074 We need change. 00:02:08.074 --> 00:02:12.120 For me, I'm in this manifestation because it's part of a 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:17.815 global movement against speculation, finance, the crisis, especially 00:02:17.815 --> 00:02:20.440 and the measure that have been taken 3 years ago, 00:02:20.440 --> 00:02:24.440 and those that are responsible for this crisis. 00:02:24.440 --> 00:02:27.680 We have to change. 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:29.680 That's why I'm here. 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:32.400 And why do you feel we need to change? 00:02:33.262 --> 00:02:37.080 When I look around, I see a lot of problems 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.240 and that's why we need to change. 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:44.360 Because I'm a worker and fear for my future. 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.120 Like most people that are here. 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:49.800 You put your money on the bank, 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:51.880 you don't know what will happen with it, 00:02:51.880 --> 00:02:54.720 You risk not having a pension tomorrow, 00:02:54.720 --> 00:02:57.360 in short, this is not normal you see. 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:02.960 I believe we need to change the neo-liberal mentality of our country, 00:03:03.714 --> 00:03:07.058 this democracy has gone bad and we want a more direct approach. 00:03:07.058 --> 00:03:09.760 And this is what we want, we want change. 00:03:09.760 --> 00:03:14.880 I'm here to protest against all that is going wrong 00:03:15.957 --> 00:03:18.360 with the banks, 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:23.280 the political and financial system mixup, 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:26.600 I want to have this thoroughly checked. 00:03:26.600 --> 00:03:28.960 But I want to do it in a positive way, 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:33.360 not only being 'anti' but having a positive outlook, 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:35.080 a positive alternative. 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.600 I am from Brussels and I am too part of a social movement called 00:03:38.600 --> 00:03:45.000 'Attack', and we naturally share a part of the analysis, 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:48.360 like what the 'Indignada' have determined in Spain, 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:51.280 that we have a serious problem with this democracy, 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:54.920 even though we got through it with this democracy, 00:03:54.920 --> 00:03:59.289 this is a message we firmly support. 00:03:59.289 --> 00:04:03.578 At the same time, like most people are aware and have determined 00:04:03.578 --> 00:04:06.683 for themselves, the serious financial crisis is related to the banks 00:04:06.683 --> 00:04:09.322 and the capitalistic crisis. 00:04:09.398 --> 00:04:13.345 And this manifestation is in line with our movement, 00:04:13.345 --> 00:04:16.286 so this is why we are here. 00:04:16.286 --> 00:04:21.240 To protest in principle, to protest for change. 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:26.975 We're not okay with how the European and state budgets 00:04:26.975 --> 00:04:29.295 have been divided. 00:04:29.295 --> 00:04:31.265 In all, to protest because we want change. 00:04:31.265 --> 00:04:36.080 To protest against capitalism, the current economic system. 00:04:36.080 --> 00:04:39.200 And the current crisis. 00:04:39.200 --> 00:04:41.120 To support the revolution. 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:44.600 What are you currently mainly discontent about? 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:49.520 Actually, about how we've been promised, 00:04:49.520 --> 00:04:56.720 we've been promised something which is not only about money. 00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:02.369 But is is a unique idea and now that, like Greece, 00:05:02.369 --> 00:05:05.074 this single interruption can collapse the whole thing, 00:05:05.074 --> 00:05:07.129 and this can't be. 00:05:07.591 --> 00:05:09.031 I don't like to be foolished with. 00:05:09.031 --> 00:05:14.760 The way money is used, is one of the main reasons. 00:05:14.760 --> 00:05:18.000 Is money the cause of the problem? 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.680 I don't know whether it is the money 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:23.840 or how the politicians use it, 00:05:23.840 --> 00:05:28.145 maybe they don't use it in a good way, I don't know. 00:05:28.145 --> 00:05:31.237 But the people need to come together 00:05:31.237 --> 00:05:36.400 and think about new ideas on how to change these things. 00:05:37.185 --> 00:05:39.428 It's not really the money, 00:05:39.428 --> 00:05:42.880 it's mostly how the money is used. 00:05:45.095 --> 00:05:47.324 The value of things, 00:05:47.324 --> 00:05:49.529 we have to rethink the value of things we buy. 00:05:49.529 --> 00:05:51.692 We have to rethink quite a lot of things. 00:05:51.692 --> 00:05:55.468 And I think this is the time for really thinking about 00:05:55.468 --> 00:05:58.034 the future, the type of money, the means of exchange 00:05:58.034 --> 00:06:01.295 between people and merchandise. 00:06:01.295 --> 00:06:05.960 But money, no, it's the people using it the wrong way. 00:06:06.898 --> 00:06:10.160 For the well being of people who are important 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:11.862 it's profit. 00:06:11.862 --> 00:06:16.406 On all levels, and certainly at the higher levels. 00:06:16.406 --> 00:06:19.400 If you are a small saver, today, 00:06:19.400 --> 00:06:23.760 you could as well do like your grandparents 00:06:23.760 --> 00:06:27.111 and put your money in a sock or underneath your mattress. 00:06:27.111 --> 00:06:28.452 You have nothing. 00:06:28.452 --> 00:06:32.403 It is solely for the stock exchange, capitalism 00:06:32.895 --> 00:06:34.963 and the grand fortunes. 00:06:34.963 --> 00:06:37.557 The regular people have no rights, 00:06:37.557 --> 00:06:42.320 just work and not even being able to age 00:06:42.320 --> 00:06:46.080 in a dignified manner after having worked 00:06:46.080 --> 00:06:48.738 so hard, I believe. 00:06:49.108 --> 00:06:52.040 The corruption. 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:54.966 The lack of education and poverty. 00:06:56.335 --> 00:07:00.828 The problem, which we face, is the "hidden hand", 00:07:00.828 --> 00:07:03.711 the control of your economic life. 00:07:03.711 --> 00:07:07.452 But also more and more your social life by the 00:07:07.452 --> 00:07:13.000 monetary forces and thus the capitalistic system itself 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:16.640 that in order to transform it radically, 00:07:16.640 --> 00:07:21.923 but behind all this, if we want a true democracy, 00:07:21.923 --> 00:07:24.428 which is for me the most important, 00:07:24.428 --> 00:07:27.640 because, for the moment we and the population 00:07:27.640 --> 00:07:31.480 don't have the means to really push through reforms and 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.960 the politic system that is representative, like we have it today, 00:07:34.960 --> 00:07:39.028 has in my opinion, completely, failed. 00:07:39.028 --> 00:07:42.892 And thus we have to show that more and more 00:07:42.892 --> 00:07:45.252 there is a growing distance between the representative 00:07:45.252 --> 00:07:47.655 politics and the wishes of the people. 00:07:47.655 --> 00:07:49.311 This is more and more obvious. 00:07:49.311 --> 00:07:51.702 And thus the problem, the democratic crisis, 00:07:51.702 --> 00:07:54.520 is for me, the heart of the problem 00:07:54.520 --> 00:07:57.169 that should be resolved urgently. 00:07:57.169 --> 00:08:00.080 I think that politics are here to help us, 00:08:00.080 --> 00:08:03.440 to do the work, to direct the country. 00:08:03.440 --> 00:08:07.200 So if they see a negative response from the people, 00:08:07.200 --> 00:08:09.880 then they should be able to change. 00:08:09.880 --> 00:08:11.717 That's the objective, I think. 00:08:11.717 --> 00:08:13.572 It's the monetary system that 00:08:13.572 --> 00:08:16.240 creates all those problems and 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:20.382 its a certainty that this system will have problems. 00:08:20.382 --> 00:08:22.311 With debts, interests, 00:08:22.311 --> 00:08:24.342 it just can't work on the long term. 00:08:24.342 --> 00:08:26.403 We can't have a system that exploits 00:08:26.403 --> 00:08:30.098 resources infinitely on a finite planet, like our current system. 00:08:30.098 --> 00:08:32.025 The financial system, 00:08:32.025 --> 00:08:33.985 the banks, money, 00:08:34.538 --> 00:08:36.785 we don't really need it. 00:08:36.785 --> 00:08:39.332 We can perfectly do without. 00:08:39.332 --> 00:08:43.865 Do you think that our financial system 00:08:45.157 --> 00:08:46.880 is the cause of most problems like 00:08:46.880 --> 00:08:47.960 corruption, .. 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:49.197 The system itself, no, 00:08:49.197 --> 00:08:51.151 but the people that are operating it. 00:08:51.151 --> 00:08:54.486 The companies that only think about the profit 00:08:54.486 --> 00:08:56.148 and not the people. 00:08:56.148 --> 00:08:57.585 So, making more profit 00:08:57.585 --> 00:08:58.692 and less for the people. 00:08:58.692 --> 00:09:02.240 The government that currently does everything 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:05.188 to help the banks but not the people. 00:09:05.188 --> 00:09:07.280 Do we have a real democracy? 00:09:08.388 --> 00:09:10.600 I think in Europe, probably more 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:12.754 than in other parts of the world. 00:09:12.754 --> 00:09:18.655 But still, politics has been dead for some time 00:09:18.655 --> 00:09:21.206 and there's not much we can add to it. 00:09:21.206 --> 00:09:23.372 Everything is being driven by money 00:09:23.372 --> 00:09:28.052 and steered by lobbying and rating bureaus. 00:09:28.052 --> 00:09:30.320 They currently decide how things go, 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:32.132 they give value to things 00:09:32.132 --> 00:09:33.877 and whether it is true or not, 00:09:33.877 --> 00:09:36.286 apparently everybody just goes along with it. 00:09:36.286 --> 00:09:38.594 So yes, no. 00:09:38.625 --> 00:09:41.908 It doesn't exist. 00:09:41.908 --> 00:09:44.760 It's a joke. 00:09:44.760 --> 00:09:47.920 We have a fake democracy but, .. 00:09:47.920 --> 00:09:50.920 A fake democracy, yes. 00:09:50.920 --> 00:09:52.342 It's a game, 00:09:52.342 --> 00:09:55.357 a puppet show and we are the puppets. 00:09:55.357 --> 00:09:57.052 That's what it boils down to. 00:09:57.052 --> 00:09:59.280 We don't a lot of influence, .. 00:09:59.280 --> 00:10:00.742 We have no influence 00:10:00.742 --> 00:10:03.360 unless we do actions like these. 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.978 But not by voting, that doesn't influence anything. 00:10:05.978 --> 00:10:08.397 Only getting on the streets and making your voice heard? 00:10:08.397 --> 00:10:10.006 Yes and changing course, 00:10:10.006 --> 00:10:12.982 how we go about it on a daily basis. 00:10:12.982 --> 00:10:15.308 We have to stop and do things a different way. 00:10:16.015 --> 00:10:20.320 Normally, in a democracy, this is how it should be done. 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:24.320 So it's us, the people, that vote and 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:27.800 that should be able to decide. 00:10:27.800 --> 00:10:31.760 The deciders should decide what the people have chosen. 00:10:31.760 --> 00:10:33.720 And not the other way around. 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.978 No, it's not a correct democracy, 00:10:35.978 --> 00:10:37.932 that's it, it's not a direct democracy. 00:10:37.932 --> 00:10:39.769 And that is what we want, 00:10:39.769 --> 00:10:42.031 we want change and that's why we are here for. 00:10:42.031 --> 00:10:43.957 And its a social phenomena, like you said, 00:10:43.957 --> 00:10:46.600 its everywhere on this planet, not only in Brussels. 00:10:46.846 --> 00:10:48.560 I don't think so. 00:10:48.560 --> 00:10:51.400 We get to vote every 4 years 00:10:51.400 --> 00:10:54.520 but what does that vote count for when 00:10:54.520 --> 00:10:58.031 they just do things the people don't support. 00:10:58.031 --> 00:11:00.769 So, I fear that is not the case. 00:11:00.769 --> 00:11:03.458 A true democracy, like we have created it, yes. 00:11:03.458 --> 00:11:06.215 With the votes, majority rule, 00:11:06.215 --> 00:11:07.914 this is still how it is. 00:11:07.914 --> 00:11:10.745 But isn't the question that 00:11:10.745 --> 00:11:14.932 if this democracy system we created, 00:11:14.932 --> 00:11:17.311 really is a true democracy or not. 00:11:17.311 --> 00:11:19.751 And here, we all agree, 00:11:19.751 --> 00:11:22.905 well most of us are, that there is a lack of 00:11:22.905 --> 00:11:25.646 respect for the minority in this type of democracy. 00:11:25.646 --> 00:11:27.385 So we can't really call this a democracy. 00:11:27.385 --> 00:11:29.615 No, I don't think so. 00:11:29.615 --> 00:11:32.972 We need a true world democracy. 00:11:33.188 --> 00:11:36.095 Do you think we can really change things 00:11:36.095 --> 00:11:38.012 with movements like these? 00:11:38.012 --> 00:11:39.951 I think we can change things, yes, 00:11:39.951 --> 00:11:42.203 otherwise I wouldn't be here. 00:11:42.203 --> 00:11:44.588 And it's not a question be able to but having to. 00:11:44.588 --> 00:11:47.529 I believe that there is more people on this planet 00:11:47.529 --> 00:11:49.680 that start to be aware of the fact that another 00:11:49.680 --> 00:11:52.677 society is not only possible but necessary. 00:11:52.677 --> 00:11:55.040 For the planet, for society, 00:11:55.040 --> 00:11:57.871 for the future of generations to come. 00:11:57.871 --> 00:11:59.942 So, we can change things, 00:11:59.942 --> 00:12:03.766 history of mankind is a sequence of movements 00:12:03.766 --> 00:12:05.680 changing things and we are part 00:12:05.680 --> 00:12:07.982 of that history and its movement. 00:12:08.658 --> 00:12:11.185 I believe that have to start the change, 00:12:11.185 --> 00:12:12.874 that's why we are in the streets. 00:12:12.874 --> 00:12:15.658 We have to ferment this idea of change 00:12:15.658 --> 00:12:19.578 and the manifestations, that's how it begins. 00:12:27.425 --> 00:12:29.771 We have to change it together, 00:12:29.771 --> 00:12:31.572 because it can't work any differently. 00:12:31.572 --> 00:12:33.926 We depend completely on politics, 00:12:33.926 --> 00:12:35.935 we think we have a voice, 00:12:35.935 --> 00:12:37.615 that we live in a democracy, 00:12:37.615 --> 00:12:39.520 but actually we don't have a lot to say. 00:12:39.520 --> 00:12:42.889 We have to show that we are 99% of the people 00:12:42.889 --> 00:12:46.840 and not the 1% of the rich or the establishment. 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.160 So if we, in all solidarity, make them feel 00:12:50.160 --> 00:12:51.778 that we do not agree, 00:12:51.778 --> 00:12:54.400 maybe then we'll be able to drive change. 00:12:54.400 --> 00:12:57.320 Because I think that it is about time for this. 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.680 Yes, for me this is more than just a local movement, 00:13:00.680 --> 00:13:04.240 I believe that, if you check the website, 15october.net, 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:09.200 there are more than 900 cities that have manifestations today, 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:12.360 so it's clearly more than a local movement. 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:14.643 For me, this is a global movement. 00:13:14.643 --> 00:13:18.185 We can already show the non participants that 00:13:18.185 --> 00:13:21.662 there are many people that are against capitalism 00:13:21.662 --> 00:13:24.551 and also show that they have to open their eyes, 00:13:24.551 --> 00:13:28.132 that we can change things and that there are solutions. 00:13:28.132 --> 00:13:31.083 Do you think that money makes you happy? 00:13:31.083 --> 00:13:32.751 No, not at all. 00:13:32.751 --> 00:13:37.062 For me personally, it doesn't really matter. 00:13:37.062 --> 00:13:39.560 Does it make happy? 00:13:39.560 --> 00:13:43.480 In the current system, yes, maybe. 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:46.280 We live in a type of illusion that money makes you happy. 00:13:46.280 --> 00:13:48.585 So everybody just heads towards that goal, 00:13:48.585 --> 00:13:50.963 but for me it's not a must for happyness. 00:13:50.963 --> 00:13:53.054 I have other things that make me happy. 00:13:53.054 --> 00:13:54.831 People need money, 00:13:57.062 --> 00:13:58.560 you need money, 00:13:58.560 --> 00:14:01.138 but don't be corrupt. 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:04.735 You make your money and 00:14:04.735 --> 00:14:08.262 you are responsible to use it in a good manner. 00:14:08.262 --> 00:14:10.083 Money shouldn't be concentrated in 00:14:10.083 --> 00:14:12.622 a small percentage like the politicians and such. 00:14:12.622 --> 00:14:14.062 That's bad. 00:14:14.062 --> 00:14:15.778 You need a little but, 00:14:15.778 --> 00:14:18.880 I would rather live in a world without money. 00:14:18.880 --> 00:14:20.646 If that were to be possible. 00:14:20.646 --> 00:14:22.908 And I do think that now is the time 00:14:22.908 --> 00:14:25.055 to really think about it. 00:14:25.055 --> 00:14:27.760 The capitalistic system might 00:14:27.760 --> 00:14:29.745 have shown its usefulness but, 00:14:29.745 --> 00:14:31.634 it is now time for change. 00:14:31.634 --> 00:14:33.720 Because it just can't go on like this, 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:36.117 it will excluded itself and 00:14:36.117 --> 00:14:39.440 we'll have to have an alternative ready 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.560 or else there might be violent protests 00:14:41.560 --> 00:14:44.480 or even a war. 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:46.015 I don't think that buying lots of stuff 00:14:46.015 --> 00:14:49.117 makes us more happy or that money creates happyness. 00:14:49.117 --> 00:14:54.462 It's sharing, friendship, love between all people. 00:14:54.462 --> 00:14:57.298 It's not money. Money is a tool that 00:14:57.298 --> 00:15:00.880 has been exploited by the more cunning 00:15:00.880 --> 00:15:04.520 and has been exploited to such a level that 00:15:04.520 --> 00:15:07.280 this is the result of it. It just can't continue like this. 00:15:07.280 --> 00:15:10.960 Can you imagine a world without money? 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:13.006 A world without money? 00:15:13.006 --> 00:15:15.449 Yes, I can imagine it and it is a nice aspiration 00:15:15.449 --> 00:15:18.782 like a world without goverment, without leader, 00:15:18.782 --> 00:15:22.631 without control, without injustice. 00:15:22.631 --> 00:15:25.289 We're far from it but that doesn't mean 00:15:25.289 --> 00:15:27.289 we shouldn't continue towards that direction. 00:15:27.289 --> 00:15:29.320 I believe that the first steps to take 00:15:29.335 --> 00:15:31.308 to arrive at such a world is 00:15:31.308 --> 00:15:34.680 to regain control of the big multinationals, 00:15:34.680 --> 00:15:36.892 the big financial corporations, 00:15:36.892 --> 00:15:38.960 and put them under control of the people, 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:40.563 the workers, the syndicates, 00:15:40.563 --> 00:15:42.409 those are the first steps to go towards 00:15:42.409 --> 00:15:43.778 a world without money. 00:15:43.778 --> 00:15:46.997 It's nice goal but you need intermediate steps. 00:15:47.382 --> 00:15:50.800 What are the basic human needs? 00:15:52.415 --> 00:15:55.138 Simply, the primary needs should be provided, 00:15:55.138 --> 00:15:57.182 food and drinks for everyone, 00:15:57.182 --> 00:16:00.117 a roof over your head, education, 00:16:00.117 --> 00:16:07.345 and being able to spend your free time 00:16:07.345 --> 00:16:12.717 on things that interest you without being a wage slave, 00:16:15.563 --> 00:16:18.182 so we can spend our days doing better things 00:16:18.182 --> 00:16:23.828 than what we are today and do things you like 00:16:23.828 --> 00:16:25.551 and like doing. 00:16:25.551 --> 00:16:28.206 Not doing a job against your will, 00:16:28.206 --> 00:16:30.369 7 days on 7, .. 00:16:30.369 --> 00:16:33.252 I personally believe that such a society, 00:16:33.252 --> 00:16:36.055 should assure that everyone on this planet, 00:16:36.055 --> 00:16:37.160 and we can do it, 00:16:37.160 --> 00:16:43.600 has a roof/house, work, we need work for the 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:50.031 community, free healthcare, education, certainly 00:16:50.031 --> 00:16:52.566 for the children, and on the day we achieve 00:16:52.566 --> 00:16:54.440 those thing, then we can talk about moving forward 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:57.234 but we're far from it, we have people without 00:16:57.234 --> 00:17:00.926 homes, homeless people, and like we see in Greece, 00:17:00.926 --> 00:17:03.665 the health of the population is in free fall because 00:17:03.665 --> 00:17:05.905 of the austerity measures, we first need to 00:17:05.905 --> 00:17:08.052 regain all terrains that we can, 00:17:08.052 --> 00:17:12.520 and if we are able to do that it would be because 00:17:12.520 --> 00:17:16.735 of the mass of people and then we can ask ourselves, 00:17:16.735 --> 00:17:18.369 where we go from here. 00:17:18.369 --> 00:17:20.788 But now is the resistance before we can move forward, afterwards. 00:17:20.788 --> 00:17:24.385 Me, I walk around, I see a lot of people on the street, 00:17:24.385 --> 00:17:29.618 beggars, and I think that, it does make me indignant. 00:17:29.618 --> 00:17:32.471 I am not happy walking around in a city where 00:17:32.471 --> 00:17:35.588 we encounter beggars every corner, I think that 00:17:35.588 --> 00:17:39.418 all humans have the right to dignity. 00:17:39.418 --> 00:17:42.437 It's not that those people disturb me, 00:17:42.437 --> 00:17:44.289 it just should not exist anymore. 00:17:44.289 --> 00:17:47.929 These people should have a dignified and normal life. 00:17:47.929 --> 00:17:53.960 Like for everyone, a roof, work, good wages that permit them 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:55.671 to live a life dignified. 00:17:55.671 --> 00:18:01.243 The first thing we should do is to undo ourselves 00:18:01.243 --> 00:18:06.748 from the dominating ideology coming from 00:18:06.748 --> 00:18:12.120 advertising, consuming, the desire to consume that is 00:18:12.120 --> 00:18:15.455 being forced upon us all the time and is at the same time 00:18:15.455 --> 00:18:18.394 a desire that will never be fulfilled so we need to undo 00:18:18.394 --> 00:18:22.809 ourselves from this approach and go back 00:18:22.809 --> 00:18:25.846 to the fundamentals and retake, 00:18:25.846 --> 00:18:32.788 get away from this thought, imprinted individualism, 00:18:32.788 --> 00:18:37.211 and return to the consideration that we are 00:18:37.211 --> 00:18:40.994 members of a society and think more along those lines. 00:18:40.994 --> 00:18:46.486 This will give us more satisfaction unlike individualism 00:18:47.455 --> 00:18:51.800 that is the cause of a lot of the frustration. 00:18:52.723 --> 00:18:55.880 Now we hope that there will be a political response, 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:58.600 so that we are not forced to make the change, 00:18:58.600 --> 00:19:01.280 but I'm afraid that if we don't get any answer soon, 00:19:01.280 --> 00:19:04.760 that we should take matters in our own hands. 00:19:04.760 --> 00:19:09.280 To have a sustainable society based on sharing, 00:19:09.280 --> 00:19:14.920 really, a change of values for humanity. 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:19.720 It's when we become violent (like war) to achieve certain things 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:23.680 that we're departing from the wrong basics, 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:27.418 and we don't want that, we want peace for everyone. 00:19:27.418 --> 00:19:30.225 What do you think makes you happy? 00:19:35.594 --> 00:19:38.480 Personal relationships.. 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:40.280 Connecting with other people? 00:19:40.280 --> 00:19:41.788 Yeah, 00:19:41.788 --> 00:19:45.258 actually there is a great power in this globalizing world, 00:19:45.258 --> 00:19:52.655 this European idea, we can't allow it to fall apart. 00:19:52.655 --> 00:19:56.323 Creating things, making music, working in the garden, 00:19:56.323 --> 00:19:58.840 seeing plants grow, helping people, 00:19:58.840 --> 00:20:01.474 this makes me happy. 00:20:01.474 --> 00:20:03.982 Seeing the results of those things, 00:20:03.982 --> 00:20:07.698 this what I think, makes it worth it. 00:20:07.698 --> 00:20:11.108 Everybody is different, but for me, 00:20:11.108 --> 00:20:15.105 it is my degree, I'm a student in psychology, 00:20:15.105 --> 00:20:19.674 being happy, but it's complicated. 00:20:21.120 --> 00:20:23.062 And you? 00:20:23.662 --> 00:20:25.458 That's for another interview.. 00:20:25.458 --> 00:20:26.212 What makes you happy? 00:20:26.212 --> 00:20:27.182 What makes me happy? 00:20:27.182 --> 00:20:32.000 My family, my friends, feeling connected to other people, 00:20:32.692 --> 00:20:34.425 certainly not money. 00:20:34.425 --> 00:20:36.834 You need money in this world to buy stuff, 00:20:36.834 --> 00:20:38.785 but its not what makes me happy. 00:20:38.785 --> 00:20:43.729 Just enough money to eat, have a normal life, I think. 00:20:43.729 --> 00:20:45.105 Have your basic needs met, 00:20:45.105 --> 00:20:46.329 Yeah, basic needs, 00:20:46.329 --> 00:20:47.662 what people need. 00:20:47.662 --> 00:20:48.808 I think so. 00:20:48.808 --> 00:20:51.815 When everyone is happy. 00:20:51.815 --> 00:20:53.009 People around you? 00:20:53.009 --> 00:20:53.945 Everyone. 00:20:53.945 --> 00:20:54.612 Everyone? 00:20:54.612 --> 00:20:55.474 Everyone. 00:20:55.474 --> 00:20:58.031 I would like that everyone is happy. 00:20:58.031 --> 00:21:01.102 That everyone has some to live with, 00:21:01.102 --> 00:21:03.320 dignified. 00:21:03.320 --> 00:21:06.643 That is also my happyness. 00:21:07.074 --> 00:21:08.575 But while we are doing this, 00:21:08.575 --> 00:21:10.840 we should at least try to enjoy life, 00:21:10.840 --> 00:21:12.052 the everyday life, 00:21:12.052 --> 00:21:15.077 and I think that we shouldn't separate those two things, 00:21:15.077 --> 00:21:17.825 because I would say that, simply revolting is 00:21:17.825 --> 00:21:21.480 positive on an activism level, but staying in that 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:25.723 type of attitude might not be pleasant, 00:21:25.723 --> 00:21:28.108 there is no reason that we shouldn't also take joy 00:21:28.108 --> 00:21:31.428 in everyday life while we try to transform things. 00:21:31.428 --> 00:21:35.138 Well here today, I'm very influenced when I see 00:21:35.138 --> 00:21:38.400 that everyone is united and everyone agrees, 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:40.548 that is what makes me happy. 00:21:40.548 --> 00:21:42.123 Being here with everyone, 00:21:42.123 --> 00:21:46.086 with all people that want change like me. 00:21:46.086 --> 00:21:49.065 Freedom, 00:21:49.065 --> 00:21:50.505 For you personally? 00:21:50.505 --> 00:21:52.585 Absolutely, 00:21:52.585 --> 00:21:55.292 And are there other things? 00:21:55.292 --> 00:21:56.702 Yes, of course, 00:21:56.702 --> 00:22:00.920 Eating, drinking, water, the most important needs, 00:22:02.012 --> 00:22:06.982 and not cars, bling-bling, none of those things. 00:22:06.982 --> 00:22:08.178 Thank you for the interview. 00:22:08.178 --> 00:22:08.935 Thank you. 00:22:08.935 --> 00:22:10.348 Thank you for the interview. 00:22:10.348 --> 00:22:11.077 Thank you. 00:22:11.077 --> 00:22:11.794 You're welcome. 00:22:11.794 --> 00:22:13.760 Thank you for the interview. 00:22:13.760 --> 00:22:14.658 Thanks very much! 00:22:14.658 --> 00:22:15.646 Thanks for the interview. 00:22:15.646 --> 00:22:16.582 You're welcome. 00:22:16.582 --> 00:22:17.625 Thanks for this interview. 00:22:17.625 --> 00:22:18.612 You're welcome. 00:22:18.612 --> 00:22:19.769 Thanks for this interview. 00:22:19.769 --> 00:22:21.520 Thanks very much for this interview. 00:22:21.520 --> 00:22:23.120 And thank you. 00:22:23.120 --> 00:22:23.871 Thanks. 00:22:23.871 --> 00:22:24.818 Thank you. 00:22:24.818 --> 00:22:25.705 Thanks. 00:22:25.705 --> 00:22:26.205 Thanks. 00:22:26.205 --> 00:22:27.046 Thanks for this interview. 00:22:27.046 --> 00:22:27.855 You're welcome. 00:22:28.271 --> 00:22:31.520 Right when we were about to leave, 00:22:31.520 --> 00:22:34.480 we noticed a special van. 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.960 You go and I'll follow you, 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:40.585 its around my head now, 00:22:44.277 --> 00:22:46.689 Flyer in there. 00:22:49.028 --> 00:22:50.729 You're going to hand a DVD? 00:22:50.729 --> 00:22:51.963 Hurry! 00:22:56.649 --> 00:22:58.058 What's her name again? 00:22:58.058 --> 00:22:59.508 I have no idea. 00:22:59.508 --> 00:23:01.185 Come one! 00:23:01.369 --> 00:23:02.954 Excuse me? 00:23:02.954 --> 00:23:04.615 Excuse me, 00:23:04.615 --> 00:23:06.237 can I give you this DVD? 00:23:06.237 --> 00:23:08.837 It's a very interesting documentary, 00:23:09.791 --> 00:23:12.345 made by an American producer, 00:23:12.345 --> 00:23:15.960 and from this documentary a social movement has spawned, 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:17.335 The Zeitgeist Movement, 00:23:17.335 --> 00:23:19.175 a global movement. 00:23:19.175 --> 00:23:26.671 And we are now here to promote this social movement 00:23:26.671 --> 00:23:29.400 and we would like it very much that this documentary 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:33.080 would be shown on Canvas, but check it out first, 00:23:33.080 --> 00:23:35.489 and let it surprise you, alright, thanks. 00:23:35.489 --> 00:23:36.818 Thanks and good luck! 00:23:36.818 --> 00:23:39.237 Information is everywhere! 00:23:39.623 --> 00:23:42.317 This van belongs to the VRT (Flemish Radio & Television) 00:23:42.317 --> 00:23:44.391 Let's hope they will check out Zeitgeist: Moving Forward! 00:23:44.422 --> 00:23:46.258 Thanks for this interview. 00:23:46.258 --> 00:23:48.397 Zeitgeist!