1 00:00:57,068 --> 00:00:58,760 Why are you here? 2 00:00:59,391 --> 00:01:03,994 Just to express my discontent 3 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,360 and to be with the people 4 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,200 and to support the movement actually. 5 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,560 Because it's a great movement, there's a good power in there. 6 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,000 Partly to show my support 7 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,209 with this current global protest 8 00:01:18,748 --> 00:01:21,480 a part from my own conviction that 9 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,680 it's time to wake up in Europe and over the whole world 10 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,360 and pausing over what has happened in our economy 11 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,680 with bank situations, in fact, the current crisis. 12 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:40,360 I'm here but I live in Leuven and I wanted to a have a moment 13 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,560 to manifest my indignation since Spain, 14 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,440 because I'm from Spain and I'm 'Indignada' 15 00:01:47,132 --> 00:01:52,354 and I'm here to do exactly as I would have done in Spain, but here. 16 00:01:52,585 --> 00:01:55,960 And why are you really indignant? 17 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,320 Because in Spain, politics are playing jokes with us, 18 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,400 with the people, 19 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,855 we need change, the economy, politics, everything. 20 00:02:06,855 --> 00:02:08,074 We need change. 21 00:02:08,074 --> 00:02:12,120 For me, I'm in this manifestation because it's part of a 22 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,815 global movement against speculation, finance, the crisis, especially 23 00:02:17,815 --> 00:02:20,440 and the measure that have been taken 3 years ago, 24 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,440 and those that are responsible for this crisis. 25 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,680 We have to change. 26 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,680 That's why I'm here. 27 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,400 And why do you feel we need to change? 28 00:02:33,262 --> 00:02:37,080 When I look around, I see a lot of problems 29 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,240 and that's why we need to change. 30 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:44,360 Because I'm a worker and fear for my future. 31 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,120 Like most people that are here. 32 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,800 You put your money on the bank, 33 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,880 you don't know what will happen with it, 34 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,720 You risk not having a pension tomorrow, 35 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,360 in short, this is not normal you see. 36 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,960 I believe we need to change the neo-liberal mentality of our country, 37 00:03:03,714 --> 00:03:07,058 this democracy has gone bad and we want a more direct approach. 38 00:03:07,058 --> 00:03:09,760 And this is what we want, we want change. 39 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,880 I'm here to protest against all that is going wrong 40 00:03:15,957 --> 00:03:18,360 with the banks, 41 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,280 the political and financial system mixup, 42 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,600 I want to have this thoroughly checked. 43 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,960 But I want to do it in a positive way, 44 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,360 not only being 'anti' but having a positive outlook, 45 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,080 a positive alternative. 46 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,600 I am from Brussels and I am too part of a social movement called 47 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:45,000 'Attack', and we naturally share a part of the analysis, 48 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,360 like what the 'Indignada' have determined in Spain, 49 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,280 that we have a serious problem with this democracy, 50 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,920 even though we got through it with this democracy, 51 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,289 this is a message we firmly support. 52 00:03:59,289 --> 00:04:03,578 At the same time, like most people are aware and have determined 53 00:04:03,578 --> 00:04:06,683 for themselves, the serious financial crisis is related to the banks 54 00:04:06,683 --> 00:04:09,322 and the capitalistic crisis. 55 00:04:09,398 --> 00:04:13,345 And this manifestation is in line with our movement, 56 00:04:13,345 --> 00:04:16,286 so this is why we are here. 57 00:04:16,286 --> 00:04:21,240 To protest in principle, to protest for change. 58 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:26,975 We're not okay with how the European and state budgets 59 00:04:26,975 --> 00:04:29,295 have been divided. 60 00:04:29,295 --> 00:04:31,265 In all, to protest because we want change. 61 00:04:31,265 --> 00:04:36,080 To protest against capitalism, the current economic system. 62 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,200 And the current crisis. 63 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,120 To support the revolution. 64 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,600 What are you currently mainly discontent about? 65 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:49,520 Actually, about how we've been promised, 66 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:56,720 we've been promised something which is not only about money. 67 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:02,369 But is is a unique idea and now that, like Greece, 68 00:05:02,369 --> 00:05:05,074 this single interruption can collapse the whole thing, 69 00:05:05,074 --> 00:05:07,129 and this can't be. 70 00:05:07,591 --> 00:05:09,031 I don't like to be foolished with. 71 00:05:09,031 --> 00:05:14,760 The way money is used, is one of the main reasons. 72 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,000 Is money the cause of the problem? 73 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,680 I don't know whether it is the money 74 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,840 or how the politicians use it, 75 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:28,145 maybe they don't use it in a good way, I don't know. 76 00:05:28,145 --> 00:05:31,237 But the people need to come together 77 00:05:31,237 --> 00:05:36,400 and think about new ideas on how to change these things. 78 00:05:37,185 --> 00:05:39,428 It's not really the money, 79 00:05:39,428 --> 00:05:42,880 it's mostly how the money is used. 80 00:05:45,095 --> 00:05:47,324 The value of things, 81 00:05:47,324 --> 00:05:49,529 we have to rethink the value of things we buy. 82 00:05:49,529 --> 00:05:51,692 We have to rethink quite a lot of things. 83 00:05:51,692 --> 00:05:55,468 And I think this is the time for really thinking about 84 00:05:55,468 --> 00:05:58,034 the future, the type of money, the means of exchange 85 00:05:58,034 --> 00:06:01,295 between people and merchandise. 86 00:06:01,295 --> 00:06:05,960 But money, no, it's the people using it the wrong way. 87 00:06:06,898 --> 00:06:10,160 For the well being of people who are important 88 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,862 it's profit. 89 00:06:11,862 --> 00:06:16,406 On all levels, and certainly at the higher levels. 90 00:06:16,406 --> 00:06:19,400 If you are a small saver, today, 91 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,760 you could as well do like your grandparents 92 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,111 and put your money in a sock or underneath your mattress. 93 00:06:27,111 --> 00:06:28,452 You have nothing. 94 00:06:28,452 --> 00:06:32,403 It is solely for the stock exchange, capitalism 95 00:06:32,895 --> 00:06:34,963 and the grand fortunes. 96 00:06:34,963 --> 00:06:37,557 The regular people have no rights, 97 00:06:37,557 --> 00:06:42,320 just work and not even being able to age 98 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,080 in a dignified manner after having worked 99 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,738 so hard, I believe. 100 00:06:49,108 --> 00:06:52,040 The corruption. 101 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,966 The lack of education and poverty. 102 00:06:56,335 --> 00:07:00,828 The problem, which we face, is the "hidden hand", 103 00:07:00,828 --> 00:07:03,711 the control of your economic life. 104 00:07:03,711 --> 00:07:07,452 But also more and more your social life by the 105 00:07:07,452 --> 00:07:13,000 monetary forces and thus the capitalistic system itself 106 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,640 that in order to transform it radically, 107 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:21,923 but behind all this, if we want a true democracy, 108 00:07:21,923 --> 00:07:24,428 which is for me the most important, 109 00:07:24,428 --> 00:07:27,640 because, for the moment we and the population 110 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,480 don't have the means to really push through reforms and 111 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,960 the politic system that is representative, like we have it today, 112 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,028 has in my opinion, completely, failed. 113 00:07:39,028 --> 00:07:42,892 And thus we have to show that more and more 114 00:07:42,892 --> 00:07:45,252 there is a growing distance between the representative 115 00:07:45,252 --> 00:07:47,655 politics and the wishes of the people. 116 00:07:47,655 --> 00:07:49,311 This is more and more obvious. 117 00:07:49,311 --> 00:07:51,702 And thus the problem, the democratic crisis, 118 00:07:51,702 --> 00:07:54,520 is for me, the heart of the problem 119 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,169 that should be resolved urgently. 120 00:07:57,169 --> 00:08:00,080 I think that politics are here to help us, 121 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,440 to do the work, to direct the country. 122 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,200 So if they see a negative response from the people, 123 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,880 then they should be able to change. 124 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,717 That's the objective, I think. 125 00:08:11,717 --> 00:08:13,572 It's the monetary system that 126 00:08:13,572 --> 00:08:16,240 creates all those problems and 127 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,382 its a certainty that this system will have problems. 128 00:08:20,382 --> 00:08:22,311 With debts, interests, 129 00:08:22,311 --> 00:08:24,342 it just can't work on the long term. 130 00:08:24,342 --> 00:08:26,403 We can't have a system that exploits 131 00:08:26,403 --> 00:08:30,098 resources infinitely on a finite planet, like our current system. 132 00:08:30,098 --> 00:08:32,025 The financial system, 133 00:08:32,025 --> 00:08:33,985 the banks, money, 134 00:08:34,538 --> 00:08:36,785 we don't really need it. 135 00:08:36,785 --> 00:08:39,332 We can perfectly do without. 136 00:08:39,332 --> 00:08:43,865 Do you think that our financial system 137 00:08:45,157 --> 00:08:46,880 is the cause of most problems like 138 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:47,960 corruption, .. 139 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,197 The system itself, no, 140 00:08:49,197 --> 00:08:51,151 but the people that are operating it. 141 00:08:51,151 --> 00:08:54,486 The companies that only think about the profit 142 00:08:54,486 --> 00:08:56,148 and not the people. 143 00:08:56,148 --> 00:08:57,585 So, making more profit 144 00:08:57,585 --> 00:08:58,692 and less for the people. 145 00:08:58,692 --> 00:09:02,240 The government that currently does everything 146 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,188 to help the banks but not the people. 147 00:09:05,188 --> 00:09:07,280 Do we have a real democracy? 148 00:09:08,388 --> 00:09:10,600 I think in Europe, probably more 149 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,754 than in other parts of the world. 150 00:09:12,754 --> 00:09:18,655 But still, politics has been dead for some time 151 00:09:18,655 --> 00:09:21,206 and there's not much we can add to it. 152 00:09:21,206 --> 00:09:23,372 Everything is being driven by money 153 00:09:23,372 --> 00:09:28,052 and steered by lobbying and rating bureaus. 154 00:09:28,052 --> 00:09:30,320 They currently decide how things go, 155 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,132 they give value to things 156 00:09:32,132 --> 00:09:33,877 and whether it is true or not, 157 00:09:33,877 --> 00:09:36,286 apparently everybody just goes along with it. 158 00:09:36,286 --> 00:09:38,594 So yes, no. 159 00:09:38,625 --> 00:09:41,908 It doesn't exist. 160 00:09:41,908 --> 00:09:44,760 It's a joke. 161 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,920 We have a fake democracy but, .. 162 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,920 A fake democracy, yes. 163 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,342 It's a game, 164 00:09:52,342 --> 00:09:55,357 a puppet show and we are the puppets. 165 00:09:55,357 --> 00:09:57,052 That's what it boils down to. 166 00:09:57,052 --> 00:09:59,280 We don't a lot of influence, .. 167 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,742 We have no influence 168 00:10:00,742 --> 00:10:03,360 unless we do actions like these. 169 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,978 But not by voting, that doesn't influence anything. 170 00:10:05,978 --> 00:10:08,397 Only getting on the streets and making your voice heard? 171 00:10:08,397 --> 00:10:10,006 Yes and changing course, 172 00:10:10,006 --> 00:10:12,982 how we go about it on a daily basis. 173 00:10:12,982 --> 00:10:15,308 We have to stop and do things a different way. 174 00:10:16,015 --> 00:10:20,320 Normally, in a democracy, this is how it should be done. 175 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,320 So it's us, the people, that vote and 176 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,800 that should be able to decide. 177 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,760 The deciders should decide what the people have chosen. 178 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,720 And not the other way around. 179 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,978 No, it's not a correct democracy, 180 00:10:35,978 --> 00:10:37,932 that's it, it's not a direct democracy. 181 00:10:37,932 --> 00:10:39,769 And that is what we want, 182 00:10:39,769 --> 00:10:42,031 we want change and that's why we are here for. 183 00:10:42,031 --> 00:10:43,957 And its a social phenomena, like you said, 184 00:10:43,957 --> 00:10:46,600 its everywhere on this planet, not only in Brussels. 185 00:10:46,846 --> 00:10:48,560 I don't think so. 186 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,400 We get to vote every 4 years 187 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,520 but what does that vote count for when 188 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,031 they just do things the people don't support. 189 00:10:58,031 --> 00:11:00,769 So, I fear that is not the case. 190 00:11:00,769 --> 00:11:03,458 A true democracy, like we have created it, yes. 191 00:11:03,458 --> 00:11:06,215 With the votes, majority rule, 192 00:11:06,215 --> 00:11:07,914 this is still how it is. 193 00:11:07,914 --> 00:11:10,745 But isn't the question that 194 00:11:10,745 --> 00:11:14,932 if this democracy system we created, 195 00:11:14,932 --> 00:11:17,311 really is a true democracy or not. 196 00:11:17,311 --> 00:11:19,751 And here, we all agree, 197 00:11:19,751 --> 00:11:22,905 well most of us are, that there is a lack of 198 00:11:22,905 --> 00:11:25,646 respect for the minority in this type of democracy. 199 00:11:25,646 --> 00:11:27,385 So we can't really call this a democracy. 200 00:11:27,385 --> 00:11:29,615 No, I don't think so. 201 00:11:29,615 --> 00:11:32,972 We need a true world democracy. 202 00:11:33,188 --> 00:11:36,095 Do you think we can really change things 203 00:11:36,095 --> 00:11:38,012 with movements like these? 204 00:11:38,012 --> 00:11:39,951 I think we can change things, yes, 205 00:11:39,951 --> 00:11:42,203 otherwise I wouldn't be here. 206 00:11:42,203 --> 00:11:44,588 And it's not a question be able to but having to. 207 00:11:44,588 --> 00:11:47,529 I believe that there is more people on this planet 208 00:11:47,529 --> 00:11:49,680 that start to be aware of the fact that another 209 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:52,677 society is not only possible but necessary. 210 00:11:52,677 --> 00:11:55,040 For the planet, for society, 211 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,871 for the future of generations to come. 212 00:11:57,871 --> 00:11:59,942 So, we can change things, 213 00:11:59,942 --> 00:12:03,766 history of mankind is a sequence of movements 214 00:12:03,766 --> 00:12:05,680 changing things and we are part 215 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:07,982 of that history and its movement. 216 00:12:08,658 --> 00:12:11,185 I believe that have to start the change, 217 00:12:11,185 --> 00:12:12,874 that's why we are in the streets. 218 00:12:12,874 --> 00:12:15,658 We have to ferment this idea of change 219 00:12:15,658 --> 00:12:19,578 and the manifestations, that's how it begins. 220 00:12:27,425 --> 00:12:29,771 We have to change it together, 221 00:12:29,771 --> 00:12:31,572 because it can't work any differently. 222 00:12:31,572 --> 00:12:33,926 We depend completely on politics, 223 00:12:33,926 --> 00:12:35,935 we think we have a voice, 224 00:12:35,935 --> 00:12:37,615 that we live in a democracy, 225 00:12:37,615 --> 00:12:39,520 but actually we don't have a lot to say. 226 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,889 We have to show that we are 99% of the people 227 00:12:42,889 --> 00:12:46,840 and not the 1% of the rich or the establishment. 228 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,160 So if we, in all solidarity, make them feel 229 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,778 that we do not agree, 230 00:12:51,778 --> 00:12:54,400 maybe then we'll be able to drive change. 231 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,320 Because I think that it is about time for this. 232 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,680 Yes, for me this is more than just a local movement, 233 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:04,240 I believe that, if you check the website, 15october.net, 234 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:09,200 there are more than 900 cities that have manifestations today, 235 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,360 so it's clearly more than a local movement. 236 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,643 For me, this is a global movement. 237 00:13:14,643 --> 00:13:18,185 We can already show the non participants that 238 00:13:18,185 --> 00:13:21,662 there are many people that are against capitalism 239 00:13:21,662 --> 00:13:24,551 and also show that they have to open their eyes, 240 00:13:24,551 --> 00:13:28,132 that we can change things and that there are solutions. 241 00:13:28,132 --> 00:13:31,083 Do you think that money makes you happy? 242 00:13:31,083 --> 00:13:32,751 No, not at all. 243 00:13:32,751 --> 00:13:37,062 For me personally, it doesn't really matter. 244 00:13:37,062 --> 00:13:39,560 Does it make happy? 245 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:43,480 In the current system, yes, maybe. 246 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,280 We live in a type of illusion that money makes you happy. 247 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,585 So everybody just heads towards that goal, 248 00:13:48,585 --> 00:13:50,963 but for me it's not a must for happyness. 249 00:13:50,963 --> 00:13:53,054 I have other things that make me happy. 250 00:13:53,054 --> 00:13:54,831 People need money, 251 00:13:57,062 --> 00:13:58,560 you need money, 252 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:01,138 but don't be corrupt. 253 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,735 You make your money and 254 00:14:04,735 --> 00:14:08,262 you are responsible to use it in a good manner. 255 00:14:08,262 --> 00:14:10,083 Money shouldn't be concentrated in 256 00:14:10,083 --> 00:14:12,622 a small percentage like the politicians and such. 257 00:14:12,622 --> 00:14:14,062 That's bad. 258 00:14:14,062 --> 00:14:15,778 You need a little but, 259 00:14:15,778 --> 00:14:18,880 I would rather live in a world without money. 260 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,646 If that were to be possible. 261 00:14:20,646 --> 00:14:22,908 And I do think that now is the time 262 00:14:22,908 --> 00:14:25,055 to really think about it. 263 00:14:25,055 --> 00:14:27,760 The capitalistic system might 264 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,745 have shown its usefulness but, 265 00:14:29,745 --> 00:14:31,634 it is now time for change. 266 00:14:31,634 --> 00:14:33,720 Because it just can't go on like this, 267 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,117 it will excluded itself and 268 00:14:36,117 --> 00:14:39,440 we'll have to have an alternative ready 269 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,560 or else there might be violent protests 270 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,480 or even a war. 271 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,015 I don't think that buying lots of stuff 272 00:14:46,015 --> 00:14:49,117 makes us more happy or that money creates happyness. 273 00:14:49,117 --> 00:14:54,462 It's sharing, friendship, love between all people. 274 00:14:54,462 --> 00:14:57,298 It's not money. Money is a tool that 275 00:14:57,298 --> 00:15:00,880 has been exploited by the more cunning 276 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,520 and has been exploited to such a level that 277 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,280 this is the result of it. It just can't continue like this. 278 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,960 Can you imagine a world without money? 279 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,006 A world without money? 280 00:15:13,006 --> 00:15:15,449 Yes, I can imagine it and it is a nice aspiration 281 00:15:15,449 --> 00:15:18,782 like a world without goverment, without leader, 282 00:15:18,782 --> 00:15:22,631 without control, without injustice. 283 00:15:22,631 --> 00:15:25,289 We're far from it but that doesn't mean 284 00:15:25,289 --> 00:15:27,289 we shouldn't continue towards that direction. 285 00:15:27,289 --> 00:15:29,320 I believe that the first steps to take 286 00:15:29,335 --> 00:15:31,308 to arrive at such a world is 287 00:15:31,308 --> 00:15:34,680 to regain control of the big multinationals, 288 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,892 the big financial corporations, 289 00:15:36,892 --> 00:15:38,960 and put them under control of the people, 290 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,563 the workers, the syndicates, 291 00:15:40,563 --> 00:15:42,409 those are the first steps to go towards 292 00:15:42,409 --> 00:15:43,778 a world without money. 293 00:15:43,778 --> 00:15:46,997 It's nice goal but you need intermediate steps. 294 00:15:47,382 --> 00:15:50,800 What are the basic human needs? 295 00:15:52,415 --> 00:15:55,138 Simply, the primary needs should be provided, 296 00:15:55,138 --> 00:15:57,182 food and drinks for everyone, 297 00:15:57,182 --> 00:16:00,117 a roof over your head, education, 298 00:16:00,117 --> 00:16:07,345 and being able to spend your free time 299 00:16:07,345 --> 00:16:12,717 on things that interest you without being a wage slave, 300 00:16:15,563 --> 00:16:18,182 so we can spend our days doing better things 301 00:16:18,182 --> 00:16:23,828 than what we are today and do things you like 302 00:16:23,828 --> 00:16:25,551 and like doing. 303 00:16:25,551 --> 00:16:28,206 Not doing a job against your will, 304 00:16:28,206 --> 00:16:30,369 7 days on 7, .. 305 00:16:30,369 --> 00:16:33,252 I personally believe that such a society, 306 00:16:33,252 --> 00:16:36,055 should assure that everyone on this planet, 307 00:16:36,055 --> 00:16:37,160 and we can do it, 308 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:43,600 has a roof/house, work, we need work for the 309 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:50,031 community, free healthcare, education, certainly 310 00:16:50,031 --> 00:16:52,566 for the children, and on the day we achieve 311 00:16:52,566 --> 00:16:54,440 those thing, then we can talk about moving forward 312 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,234 but we're far from it, we have people without 313 00:16:57,234 --> 00:17:00,926 homes, homeless people, and like we see in Greece, 314 00:17:00,926 --> 00:17:03,665 the health of the population is in free fall because 315 00:17:03,665 --> 00:17:05,905 of the austerity measures, we first need to 316 00:17:05,905 --> 00:17:08,052 regain all terrains that we can, 317 00:17:08,052 --> 00:17:12,520 and if we are able to do that it would be because 318 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,735 of the mass of people and then we can ask ourselves, 319 00:17:16,735 --> 00:17:18,369 where we go from here. 320 00:17:18,369 --> 00:17:20,788 But now is the resistance before we can move forward, afterwards. 321 00:17:20,788 --> 00:17:24,385 Me, I walk around, I see a lot of people on the street, 322 00:17:24,385 --> 00:17:29,618 beggars, and I think that, it does make me indignant. 323 00:17:29,618 --> 00:17:32,471 I am not happy walking around in a city where 324 00:17:32,471 --> 00:17:35,588 we encounter beggars every corner, I think that 325 00:17:35,588 --> 00:17:39,418 all humans have the right to dignity. 326 00:17:39,418 --> 00:17:42,437 It's not that those people disturb me, 327 00:17:42,437 --> 00:17:44,289 it just should not exist anymore. 328 00:17:44,289 --> 00:17:47,929 These people should have a dignified and normal life. 329 00:17:47,929 --> 00:17:53,960 Like for everyone, a roof, work, good wages that permit them 330 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,671 to live a life dignified. 331 00:17:55,671 --> 00:18:01,243 The first thing we should do is to undo ourselves 332 00:18:01,243 --> 00:18:06,748 from the dominating ideology coming from 333 00:18:06,748 --> 00:18:12,120 advertising, consuming, the desire to consume that is 334 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:15,455 being forced upon us all the time and is at the same time 335 00:18:15,455 --> 00:18:18,394 a desire that will never be fulfilled so we need to undo 336 00:18:18,394 --> 00:18:22,809 ourselves from this approach and go back 337 00:18:22,809 --> 00:18:25,846 to the fundamentals and retake, 338 00:18:25,846 --> 00:18:32,788 get away from this thought, imprinted individualism, 339 00:18:32,788 --> 00:18:37,211 and return to the consideration that we are 340 00:18:37,211 --> 00:18:40,994 members of a society and think more along those lines. 341 00:18:40,994 --> 00:18:46,486 This will give us more satisfaction unlike individualism 342 00:18:47,455 --> 00:18:51,800 that is the cause of a lot of the frustration. 343 00:18:52,723 --> 00:18:55,880 Now we hope that there will be a political response, 344 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,600 so that we are not forced to make the change, 345 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,280 but I'm afraid that if we don't get any answer soon, 346 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,760 that we should take matters in our own hands. 347 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,280 To have a sustainable society based on sharing, 348 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:14,920 really, a change of values for humanity. 349 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,720 It's when we become violent (like war) to achieve certain things 350 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,680 that we're departing from the wrong basics, 351 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,418 and we don't want that, we want peace for everyone. 352 00:19:27,418 --> 00:19:30,225 What do you think makes you happy? 353 00:19:35,594 --> 00:19:38,480 Personal relationships.. 354 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,280 Connecting with other people? 355 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,788 Yeah, 356 00:19:41,788 --> 00:19:45,258 actually there is a great power in this globalizing world, 357 00:19:45,258 --> 00:19:52,655 this European idea, we can't allow it to fall apart. 358 00:19:52,655 --> 00:19:56,323 Creating things, making music, working in the garden, 359 00:19:56,323 --> 00:19:58,840 seeing plants grow, helping people, 360 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,474 this makes me happy. 361 00:20:01,474 --> 00:20:03,982 Seeing the results of those things, 362 00:20:03,982 --> 00:20:07,698 this what I think, makes it worth it. 363 00:20:07,698 --> 00:20:11,108 Everybody is different, but for me, 364 00:20:11,108 --> 00:20:15,105 it is my degree, I'm a student in psychology, 365 00:20:15,105 --> 00:20:19,674 being happy, but it's complicated. 366 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,062 And you? 367 00:20:23,662 --> 00:20:25,458 That's for another interview.. 368 00:20:25,458 --> 00:20:26,212 What makes you happy? 369 00:20:26,212 --> 00:20:27,182 What makes me happy? 370 00:20:27,182 --> 00:20:32,000 My family, my friends, feeling connected to other people, 371 00:20:32,692 --> 00:20:34,425 certainly not money. 372 00:20:34,425 --> 00:20:36,834 You need money in this world to buy stuff, 373 00:20:36,834 --> 00:20:38,785 but its not what makes me happy. 374 00:20:38,785 --> 00:20:43,729 Just enough money to eat, have a normal life, I think. 375 00:20:43,729 --> 00:20:45,105 Have your basic needs met, 376 00:20:45,105 --> 00:20:46,329 Yeah, basic needs, 377 00:20:46,329 --> 00:20:47,662 what people need. 378 00:20:47,662 --> 00:20:48,808 I think so. 379 00:20:48,808 --> 00:20:51,815 When everyone is happy. 380 00:20:51,815 --> 00:20:53,009 People around you? 381 00:20:53,009 --> 00:20:53,945 Everyone. 382 00:20:53,945 --> 00:20:54,612 Everyone? 383 00:20:54,612 --> 00:20:55,474 Everyone. 384 00:20:55,474 --> 00:20:58,031 I would like that everyone is happy. 385 00:20:58,031 --> 00:21:01,102 That everyone has some to live with, 386 00:21:01,102 --> 00:21:03,320 dignified. 387 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,643 That is also my happyness. 388 00:21:07,074 --> 00:21:08,575 But while we are doing this, 389 00:21:08,575 --> 00:21:10,840 we should at least try to enjoy life, 390 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,052 the everyday life, 391 00:21:12,052 --> 00:21:15,077 and I think that we shouldn't separate those two things, 392 00:21:15,077 --> 00:21:17,825 because I would say that, simply revolting is 393 00:21:17,825 --> 00:21:21,480 positive on an activism level, but staying in that 394 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,723 type of attitude might not be pleasant, 395 00:21:25,723 --> 00:21:28,108 there is no reason that we shouldn't also take joy 396 00:21:28,108 --> 00:21:31,428 in everyday life while we try to transform things. 397 00:21:31,428 --> 00:21:35,138 Well here today, I'm very influenced when I see 398 00:21:35,138 --> 00:21:38,400 that everyone is united and everyone agrees, 399 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,548 that is what makes me happy. 400 00:21:40,548 --> 00:21:42,123 Being here with everyone, 401 00:21:42,123 --> 00:21:46,086 with all people that want change like me. 402 00:21:46,086 --> 00:21:49,065 Freedom, 403 00:21:49,065 --> 00:21:50,505 For you personally? 404 00:21:50,505 --> 00:21:52,585 Absolutely, 405 00:21:52,585 --> 00:21:55,292 And are there other things? 406 00:21:55,292 --> 00:21:56,702 Yes, of course, 407 00:21:56,702 --> 00:22:00,920 Eating, drinking, water, the most important needs, 408 00:22:02,012 --> 00:22:06,982 and not cars, bling-bling, none of those things. 409 00:22:06,982 --> 00:22:08,178 Thank you for the interview. 410 00:22:08,178 --> 00:22:08,935 Thank you. 411 00:22:08,935 --> 00:22:10,348 Thank you for the interview. 412 00:22:10,348 --> 00:22:11,077 Thank you. 413 00:22:11,077 --> 00:22:11,794 You're welcome. 414 00:22:11,794 --> 00:22:13,760 Thank you for the interview. 415 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,658 Thanks very much! 416 00:22:14,658 --> 00:22:15,646 Thanks for the interview. 417 00:22:15,646 --> 00:22:16,582 You're welcome. 418 00:22:16,582 --> 00:22:17,625 Thanks for this interview. 419 00:22:17,625 --> 00:22:18,612 You're welcome. 420 00:22:18,612 --> 00:22:19,769 Thanks for this interview. 421 00:22:19,769 --> 00:22:21,520 Thanks very much for this interview. 422 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,120 And thank you. 423 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:23,871 Thanks. 424 00:22:23,871 --> 00:22:24,818 Thank you. 425 00:22:24,818 --> 00:22:25,705 Thanks. 426 00:22:25,705 --> 00:22:26,205 Thanks. 427 00:22:26,205 --> 00:22:27,046 Thanks for this interview. 428 00:22:27,046 --> 00:22:27,855 You're welcome. 429 00:22:28,271 --> 00:22:31,520 Right when we were about to leave, 430 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,480 we noticed a special van. 431 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,960 You go and I'll follow you, 432 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,585 its around my head now, 433 00:22:44,277 --> 00:22:46,689 Flyer in there. 434 00:22:49,028 --> 00:22:50,729 You're going to hand a DVD? 435 00:22:50,729 --> 00:22:51,963 Hurry! 436 00:22:56,649 --> 00:22:58,058 What's her name again? 437 00:22:58,058 --> 00:22:59,508 I have no idea. 438 00:22:59,508 --> 00:23:01,185 Come one! 439 00:23:01,369 --> 00:23:02,954 Excuse me? 440 00:23:02,954 --> 00:23:04,615 Excuse me, 441 00:23:04,615 --> 00:23:06,237 can I give you this DVD? 442 00:23:06,237 --> 00:23:08,837 It's a very interesting documentary, 443 00:23:09,791 --> 00:23:12,345 made by an American producer, 444 00:23:12,345 --> 00:23:15,960 and from this documentary a social movement has spawned, 445 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,335 The Zeitgeist Movement, 446 00:23:17,335 --> 00:23:19,175 a global movement. 447 00:23:19,175 --> 00:23:26,671 And we are now here to promote this social movement 448 00:23:26,671 --> 00:23:29,400 and we would like it very much that this documentary 449 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,080 would be shown on Canvas, but check it out first, 450 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,489 and let it surprise you, alright, thanks. 451 00:23:35,489 --> 00:23:36,818 Thanks and good luck! 452 00:23:36,818 --> 00:23:39,237 Information is everywhere! 453 00:23:39,623 --> 00:23:42,317 This van belongs to the VRT (Flemish Radio & Television) 454 00:23:42,317 --> 00:23:44,391 Let's hope they will check out Zeitgeist: Moving Forward! 455 00:23:44,422 --> 00:23:46,258 Thanks for this interview. 456 00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:48,397 Zeitgeist!