0:00:57.068,0:00:58.760 Why are you here? 0:00:59.391,0:01:03.994 Just to express my discontent 0:01:04.560,0:01:06.360 and to be with the people 0:01:06.360,0:01:08.200 and to support the movement actually. 0:01:08.200,0:01:11.560 Because it's a great movement, there's a good power in there. 0:01:11.560,0:01:14.000 Partly to show my support 0:01:14.000,0:01:17.209 with this current global protest 0:01:18.748,0:01:21.480 a part from my own conviction that 0:01:21.480,0:01:25.680 it's time to wake up in Europe and over the whole world 0:01:25.680,0:01:30.360 and pausing over what has happened in our economy 0:01:30.360,0:01:34.680 with bank situations, in fact, the current crisis. 0:01:34.680,0:01:40.360 I'm here but I live in Leuven and I wanted to a have a moment 0:01:40.360,0:01:43.560 to manifest my indignation since Spain, 0:01:43.560,0:01:46.440 because I'm from Spain and I'm 'Indignada' 0:01:47.132,0:01:52.354 and I'm here to do exactly as I would have done in Spain, but here. 0:01:52.585,0:01:55.960 And why are you really indignant? 0:01:55.960,0:02:00.320 Because in Spain, politics are playing jokes with us, 0:02:00.320,0:02:02.400 with the people, 0:02:02.400,0:02:06.855 we need change, the economy, politics, everything. 0:02:06.855,0:02:08.074 We need change. 0:02:08.074,0:02:12.120 For me, I'm in this manifestation because it's part of a 0:02:12.120,0:02:17.815 global movement against speculation, finance, the crisis, especially 0:02:17.815,0:02:20.440 and the measure that have been taken 3 years ago, 0:02:20.440,0:02:24.440 and those that are responsible for this crisis. 0:02:24.440,0:02:27.680 We have to change. 0:02:27.680,0:02:29.680 That's why I'm here. 0:02:29.680,0:02:32.400 And why do you feel we need to change? 0:02:33.262,0:02:37.080 When I look around, I see a lot of problems 0:02:37.080,0:02:39.240 and that's why we need to change. 0:02:39.240,0:02:44.360 Because I'm a worker and fear for my future. 0:02:44.360,0:02:47.120 Like most people that are here. 0:02:47.120,0:02:49.800 You put your money on the bank, 0:02:49.800,0:02:51.880 you don't know what will happen with it, 0:02:51.880,0:02:54.720 You risk not having a pension tomorrow, 0:02:54.720,0:02:57.360 in short, this is not normal you see. 0:02:57.360,0:03:02.960 I believe we need to change the neo-liberal mentality of our country, 0:03:03.714,0:03:07.058 this democracy has gone bad and we want a more direct approach. 0:03:07.058,0:03:09.760 And this is what we want, we want change. 0:03:09.760,0:03:14.880 I'm here to protest against all that is going wrong 0:03:15.957,0:03:18.360 with the banks, 0:03:18.360,0:03:23.280 the political and financial system mixup, 0:03:23.280,0:03:26.600 I want to have this thoroughly checked. 0:03:26.600,0:03:28.960 But I want to do it in a positive way, 0:03:28.960,0:03:33.360 not only being 'anti' but having a positive outlook, 0:03:33.360,0:03:35.080 a positive alternative. 0:03:35.080,0:03:38.600 I am from Brussels and I am too part of a social movement called 0:03:38.600,0:03:45.000 'Attack', and we naturally share a part of the analysis, 0:03:45.000,0:03:48.360 like what the 'Indignada' have determined in Spain, 0:03:48.360,0:03:51.280 that we have a serious problem with this democracy, 0:03:51.280,0:03:54.920 even though we got through it with this democracy, 0:03:54.920,0:03:59.289 this is a message we firmly support. 0:03:59.289,0:04:03.578 At the same time, like most people are aware and have determined 0:04:03.578,0:04:06.683 for themselves, the serious financial crisis is related to the banks 0:04:06.683,0:04:09.322 and the capitalistic crisis. 0:04:09.398,0:04:13.345 And this manifestation is in line with our movement, 0:04:13.345,0:04:16.286 so this is why we are here. 0:04:16.286,0:04:21.240 To protest in principle, to protest for change. 0:04:21.240,0:04:26.975 We're not okay with how the European and state budgets 0:04:26.975,0:04:29.295 have been divided. 0:04:29.295,0:04:31.265 In all, to protest because we want change. 0:04:31.265,0:04:36.080 To protest against capitalism, the current economic system. 0:04:36.080,0:04:39.200 And the current crisis. 0:04:39.200,0:04:41.120 To support the revolution. 0:04:41.120,0:04:44.600 What are you currently mainly discontent about? 0:04:44.600,0:04:49.520 Actually, about how we've been promised, 0:04:49.520,0:04:56.720 we've been promised something which is not only about money. 0:04:56.720,0:05:02.369 But is is a unique idea and now that, like Greece, 0:05:02.369,0:05:05.074 this single interruption can collapse the whole thing, 0:05:05.074,0:05:07.129 and this can't be. 0:05:07.591,0:05:09.031 I don't like to be foolished with. 0:05:09.031,0:05:14.760 The way money is used, is one of the main reasons. 0:05:14.760,0:05:18.000 Is money the cause of the problem? 0:05:18.000,0:05:21.680 I don't know whether it is the money 0:05:21.680,0:05:23.840 or how the politicians use it, 0:05:23.840,0:05:28.145 maybe they don't use it in a good way, I don't know. 0:05:28.145,0:05:31.237 But the people need to come together 0:05:31.237,0:05:36.400 and think about new ideas on how to change these things. 0:05:37.185,0:05:39.428 It's not really the money, 0:05:39.428,0:05:42.880 it's mostly how the money is used. 0:05:45.095,0:05:47.324 The value of things, 0:05:47.324,0:05:49.529 we have to rethink the value of things we buy. 0:05:49.529,0:05:51.692 We have to rethink quite a lot of things. 0:05:51.692,0:05:55.468 And I think this is the time for really thinking about 0:05:55.468,0:05:58.034 the future, the type of money, the means of exchange 0:05:58.034,0:06:01.295 between people and merchandise. 0:06:01.295,0:06:05.960 But money, no, it's the people using it the wrong way. 0:06:06.898,0:06:10.160 For the well being of people who are important 0:06:10.160,0:06:11.862 it's profit. 0:06:11.862,0:06:16.406 On all levels, and certainly at the higher levels. 0:06:16.406,0:06:19.400 If you are a small saver, today, 0:06:19.400,0:06:23.760 you could as well do like your grandparents 0:06:23.760,0:06:27.111 and put your money in a sock or underneath your mattress. 0:06:27.111,0:06:28.452 You have nothing. 0:06:28.452,0:06:32.403 It is solely for the stock exchange, capitalism 0:06:32.895,0:06:34.963 and the grand fortunes. 0:06:34.963,0:06:37.557 The regular people have no rights, 0:06:37.557,0:06:42.320 just work and not even being able to age 0:06:42.320,0:06:46.080 in a dignified manner after having worked 0:06:46.080,0:06:48.738 so hard, I believe. 0:06:49.108,0:06:52.040 The corruption. 0:06:52.040,0:06:54.966 The lack of education and poverty. 0:06:56.335,0:07:00.828 The problem, which we face, is the "hidden hand", 0:07:00.828,0:07:03.711 the control of your economic life. 0:07:03.711,0:07:07.452 But also more and more your social life by the 0:07:07.452,0:07:13.000 monetary forces and thus the capitalistic system itself 0:07:13.000,0:07:16.640 that in order to transform it radically, 0:07:16.640,0:07:21.923 but behind all this, if we want a true democracy, 0:07:21.923,0:07:24.428 which is for me the most important, 0:07:24.428,0:07:27.640 because, for the moment we and the population 0:07:27.640,0:07:31.480 don't have the means to really push through reforms and 0:07:31.480,0:07:34.960 the politic system that is representative, like we have it today, 0:07:34.960,0:07:39.028 has in my opinion, completely, failed. 0:07:39.028,0:07:42.892 And thus we have to show that more and more 0:07:42.892,0:07:45.252 there is a growing distance between the representative 0:07:45.252,0:07:47.655 politics and the wishes of the people. 0:07:47.655,0:07:49.311 This is more and more obvious. 0:07:49.311,0:07:51.702 And thus the problem, the democratic crisis, 0:07:51.702,0:07:54.520 is for me, the heart of the problem 0:07:54.520,0:07:57.169 that should be resolved urgently. 0:07:57.169,0:08:00.080 I think that politics are here to help us, 0:08:00.080,0:08:03.440 to do the work, to direct the country. 0:08:03.440,0:08:07.200 So if they see a negative response from the people, 0:08:07.200,0:08:09.880 then they should be able to change. 0:08:09.880,0:08:11.717 That's the objective, I think. 0:08:11.717,0:08:13.572 It's the monetary system that 0:08:13.572,0:08:16.240 creates all those problems and 0:08:16.240,0:08:20.382 its a certainty that this system will have problems. 0:08:20.382,0:08:22.311 With debts, interests, 0:08:22.311,0:08:24.342 it just can't work on the long term. 0:08:24.342,0:08:26.403 We can't have a system that exploits 0:08:26.403,0:08:30.098 resources infinitely on a finite planet, like our current system. 0:08:30.098,0:08:32.025 The financial system, 0:08:32.025,0:08:33.985 the banks, money, 0:08:34.538,0:08:36.785 we don't really need it. 0:08:36.785,0:08:39.332 We can perfectly do without. 0:08:39.332,0:08:43.865 Do you think that our financial system 0:08:45.157,0:08:46.880 is the cause of most problems like 0:08:46.880,0:08:47.960 corruption, .. 0:08:47.960,0:08:49.197 The system itself, no, 0:08:49.197,0:08:51.151 but the people that are operating it. 0:08:51.151,0:08:54.486 The companies that only think about the profit 0:08:54.486,0:08:56.148 and not the people. 0:08:56.148,0:08:57.585 So, making more profit 0:08:57.585,0:08:58.692 and less for the people. 0:08:58.692,0:09:02.240 The government that currently does everything 0:09:02.240,0:09:05.188 to help the banks but not the people. 0:09:05.188,0:09:07.280 Do we have a real democracy? 0:09:08.388,0:09:10.600 I think in Europe, probably more 0:09:10.600,0:09:12.754 than in other parts of the world. 0:09:12.754,0:09:18.655 But still, politics has been dead for some time 0:09:18.655,0:09:21.206 and there's not much we can add to it. 0:09:21.206,0:09:23.372 Everything is being driven by money 0:09:23.372,0:09:28.052 and steered by lobbying and rating bureaus. 0:09:28.052,0:09:30.320 They currently decide how things go, 0:09:30.320,0:09:32.132 they give value to things 0:09:32.132,0:09:33.877 and whether it is true or not, 0:09:33.877,0:09:36.286 apparently everybody just goes along with it. 0:09:36.286,0:09:38.594 So yes, no. 0:09:38.625,0:09:41.908 It doesn't exist. 0:09:41.908,0:09:44.760 It's a joke. 0:09:44.760,0:09:47.920 We have a fake democracy but, .. 0:09:47.920,0:09:50.920 A fake democracy, yes. 0:09:50.920,0:09:52.342 It's a game, 0:09:52.342,0:09:55.357 a puppet show and we are the puppets. 0:09:55.357,0:09:57.052 That's what it boils down to. 0:09:57.052,0:09:59.280 We don't a lot of influence, .. 0:09:59.280,0:10:00.742 We have no influence 0:10:00.742,0:10:03.360 unless we do actions like these. 0:10:03.360,0:10:05.978 But not by voting, that doesn't influence anything. 0:10:05.978,0:10:08.397 Only getting on the streets and making your voice heard? 0:10:08.397,0:10:10.006 Yes and changing course, 0:10:10.006,0:10:12.982 how we go about it on a daily basis. 0:10:12.982,0:10:15.308 We have to stop and do things a different way. 0:10:16.015,0:10:20.320 Normally, in a democracy, this is how it should be done. 0:10:20.320,0:10:24.320 So it's us, the people, that vote and 0:10:24.320,0:10:27.800 that should be able to decide. 0:10:27.800,0:10:31.760 The deciders should decide what the people have chosen. 0:10:31.760,0:10:33.720 And not the other way around. 0:10:33.720,0:10:35.978 No, it's not a correct democracy, 0:10:35.978,0:10:37.932 that's it, it's not a direct democracy. 0:10:37.932,0:10:39.769 And that is what we want, 0:10:39.769,0:10:42.031 we want change and that's why we are here for. 0:10:42.031,0:10:43.957 And its a social phenomena, like you said, 0:10:43.957,0:10:46.600 its everywhere on this planet, not only in Brussels. 0:10:46.846,0:10:48.560 I don't think so. 0:10:48.560,0:10:51.400 We get to vote every 4 years 0:10:51.400,0:10:54.520 but what does that vote count for when 0:10:54.520,0:10:58.031 they just do things the people don't support. 0:10:58.031,0:11:00.769 So, I fear that is not the case. 0:11:00.769,0:11:03.458 A true democracy, like we have created it, yes. 0:11:03.458,0:11:06.215 With the votes, majority rule, 0:11:06.215,0:11:07.914 this is still how it is. 0:11:07.914,0:11:10.745 But isn't the question that 0:11:10.745,0:11:14.932 if this democracy system we created, 0:11:14.932,0:11:17.311 really is a true democracy or not. 0:11:17.311,0:11:19.751 And here, we all agree, 0:11:19.751,0:11:22.905 well most of us are, that there is a lack of 0:11:22.905,0:11:25.646 respect for the minority in this type of democracy. 0:11:25.646,0:11:27.385 So we can't really call this a democracy. 0:11:27.385,0:11:29.615 No, I don't think so. 0:11:29.615,0:11:32.972 We need a true world democracy. 0:11:33.188,0:11:36.095 Do you think we can really change things 0:11:36.095,0:11:38.012 with movements like these? 0:11:38.012,0:11:39.951 I think we can change things, yes, 0:11:39.951,0:11:42.203 otherwise I wouldn't be here. 0:11:42.203,0:11:44.588 And it's not a question be able to but having to. 0:11:44.588,0:11:47.529 I believe that there is more people on this planet 0:11:47.529,0:11:49.680 that start to be aware of the fact that another 0:11:49.680,0:11:52.677 society is not only possible but necessary. 0:11:52.677,0:11:55.040 For the planet, for society, 0:11:55.040,0:11:57.871 for the future of generations to come. 0:11:57.871,0:11:59.942 So, we can change things, 0:11:59.942,0:12:03.766 history of mankind is a sequence of movements 0:12:03.766,0:12:05.680 changing things and we are part 0:12:05.680,0:12:07.982 of that history and its movement. 0:12:08.658,0:12:11.185 I believe that have to start the change, 0:12:11.185,0:12:12.874 that's why we are in the streets. 0:12:12.874,0:12:15.658 We have to ferment this idea of change 0:12:15.658,0:12:19.578 and the manifestations, that's how it begins. 0:12:27.425,0:12:29.771 We have to change it together, 0:12:29.771,0:12:31.572 because it can't work any differently. 0:12:31.572,0:12:33.926 We depend completely on politics, 0:12:33.926,0:12:35.935 we think we have a voice, 0:12:35.935,0:12:37.615 that we live in a democracy, 0:12:37.615,0:12:39.520 but actually we don't have a lot to say. 0:12:39.520,0:12:42.889 We have to show that we are 99% of the people 0:12:42.889,0:12:46.840 and not the 1% of the rich or the establishment. 0:12:46.840,0:12:50.160 So if we, in all solidarity, make them feel 0:12:50.160,0:12:51.778 that we do not agree, 0:12:51.778,0:12:54.400 maybe then we'll be able to drive change. 0:12:54.400,0:12:57.320 Because I think that it is about time for this. 0:12:57.320,0:13:00.680 Yes, for me this is more than just a local movement, 0:13:00.680,0:13:04.240 I believe that, if you check the website, 15october.net, 0:13:04.240,0:13:09.200 there are more than 900 cities that have manifestations today, 0:13:09.200,0:13:12.360 so it's clearly more than a local movement. 0:13:12.360,0:13:14.643 For me, this is a global movement. 0:13:14.643,0:13:18.185 We can already show the non participants that 0:13:18.185,0:13:21.662 there are many people that are against capitalism 0:13:21.662,0:13:24.551 and also show that they have to open their eyes, 0:13:24.551,0:13:28.132 that we can change things and that there are solutions. 0:13:28.132,0:13:31.083 Do you think that money makes you happy? 0:13:31.083,0:13:32.751 No, not at all. 0:13:32.751,0:13:37.062 For me personally, it doesn't really matter. 0:13:37.062,0:13:39.560 Does it make happy? 0:13:39.560,0:13:43.480 In the current system, yes, maybe. 0:13:43.480,0:13:46.280 We live in a type of illusion that money makes you happy. 0:13:46.280,0:13:48.585 So everybody just heads towards that goal, 0:13:48.585,0:13:50.963 but for me it's not a must for happyness. 0:13:50.963,0:13:53.054 I have other things that make me happy. 0:13:53.054,0:13:54.831 People need money, 0:13:57.062,0:13:58.560 you need money, 0:13:58.560,0:14:01.138 but don't be corrupt. 0:14:02.600,0:14:04.735 You make your money and 0:14:04.735,0:14:08.262 you are responsible to use it in a good manner. 0:14:08.262,0:14:10.083 Money shouldn't be concentrated in 0:14:10.083,0:14:12.622 a small percentage like the politicians and such. 0:14:12.622,0:14:14.062 That's bad. 0:14:14.062,0:14:15.778 You need a little but, 0:14:15.778,0:14:18.880 I would rather live in a world without money. 0:14:18.880,0:14:20.646 If that were to be possible. 0:14:20.646,0:14:22.908 And I do think that now is the time 0:14:22.908,0:14:25.055 to really think about it. 0:14:25.055,0:14:27.760 The capitalistic system might 0:14:27.760,0:14:29.745 have shown its usefulness but, 0:14:29.745,0:14:31.634 it is now time for change. 0:14:31.634,0:14:33.720 Because it just can't go on like this, 0:14:33.720,0:14:36.117 it will excluded itself and 0:14:36.117,0:14:39.440 we'll have to have an alternative ready 0:14:39.440,0:14:41.560 or else there might be violent protests 0:14:41.560,0:14:44.480 or even a war. 0:14:44.480,0:14:46.015 I don't think that buying lots of stuff 0:14:46.015,0:14:49.117 makes us more happy or that money creates happyness. 0:14:49.117,0:14:54.462 It's sharing, friendship, love between all people. 0:14:54.462,0:14:57.298 It's not money. Money is a tool that 0:14:57.298,0:15:00.880 has been exploited by the more cunning 0:15:00.880,0:15:04.520 and has been exploited to such a level that 0:15:04.520,0:15:07.280 this is the result of it. It just can't continue like this. 0:15:07.280,0:15:10.960 Can you imagine a world without money? 0:15:10.960,0:15:13.006 A world without money? 0:15:13.006,0:15:15.449 Yes, I can imagine it and it is a nice aspiration 0:15:15.449,0:15:18.782 like a world without goverment, without leader, 0:15:18.782,0:15:22.631 without control, without injustice. 0:15:22.631,0:15:25.289 We're far from it but that doesn't mean 0:15:25.289,0:15:27.289 we shouldn't continue towards that direction. 0:15:27.289,0:15:29.320 I believe that the first steps to take 0:15:29.335,0:15:31.308 to arrive at such a world is 0:15:31.308,0:15:34.680 to regain control of the big multinationals, 0:15:34.680,0:15:36.892 the big financial corporations, 0:15:36.892,0:15:38.960 and put them under control of the people, 0:15:38.960,0:15:40.563 the workers, the syndicates, 0:15:40.563,0:15:42.409 those are the first steps to go towards 0:15:42.409,0:15:43.778 a world without money. 0:15:43.778,0:15:46.997 It's nice goal but you need intermediate steps. 0:15:47.382,0:15:50.800 What are the basic human needs? 0:15:52.415,0:15:55.138 Simply, the primary needs should be provided, 0:15:55.138,0:15:57.182 food and drinks for everyone, 0:15:57.182,0:16:00.117 a roof over your head, education, 0:16:00.117,0:16:07.345 and being able to spend your free time 0:16:07.345,0:16:12.717 on things that interest you without being a wage slave, 0:16:15.563,0:16:18.182 so we can spend our days doing better things 0:16:18.182,0:16:23.828 than what we are today and do things you like 0:16:23.828,0:16:25.551 and like doing. 0:16:25.551,0:16:28.206 Not doing a job against your will, 0:16:28.206,0:16:30.369 7 days on 7, .. 0:16:30.369,0:16:33.252 I personally believe that such a society, 0:16:33.252,0:16:36.055 should assure that everyone on this planet, 0:16:36.055,0:16:37.160 and we can do it, 0:16:37.160,0:16:43.600 has a roof/house, work, we need work for the 0:16:43.600,0:16:50.031 community, free healthcare, education, certainly 0:16:50.031,0:16:52.566 for the children, and on the day we achieve 0:16:52.566,0:16:54.440 those thing, then we can talk about moving forward 0:16:54.440,0:16:57.234 but we're far from it, we have people without 0:16:57.234,0:17:00.926 homes, homeless people, and like we see in Greece, 0:17:00.926,0:17:03.665 the health of the population is in free fall because 0:17:03.665,0:17:05.905 of the austerity measures, we first need to 0:17:05.905,0:17:08.052 regain all terrains that we can, 0:17:08.052,0:17:12.520 and if we are able to do that it would be because 0:17:12.520,0:17:16.735 of the mass of people and then we can ask ourselves, 0:17:16.735,0:17:18.369 where we go from here. 0:17:18.369,0:17:20.788 But now is the resistance before we can move forward, afterwards. 0:17:20.788,0:17:24.385 Me, I walk around, I see a lot of people on the street, 0:17:24.385,0:17:29.618 beggars, and I think that, it does make me indignant. 0:17:29.618,0:17:32.471 I am not happy walking around in a city where 0:17:32.471,0:17:35.588 we encounter beggars every corner, I think that 0:17:35.588,0:17:39.418 all humans have the right to dignity. 0:17:39.418,0:17:42.437 It's not that those people disturb me, 0:17:42.437,0:17:44.289 it just should not exist anymore. 0:17:44.289,0:17:47.929 These people should have a dignified and normal life. 0:17:47.929,0:17:53.960 Like for everyone, a roof, work, good wages that permit them 0:17:53.960,0:17:55.671 to live a life dignified. 0:17:55.671,0:18:01.243 The first thing we should do is to undo ourselves 0:18:01.243,0:18:06.748 from the dominating ideology coming from 0:18:06.748,0:18:12.120 advertising, consuming, the desire to consume that is 0:18:12.120,0:18:15.455 being forced upon us all the time and is at the same time 0:18:15.455,0:18:18.394 a desire that will never be fulfilled so we need to undo 0:18:18.394,0:18:22.809 ourselves from this approach and go back 0:18:22.809,0:18:25.846 to the fundamentals and retake, 0:18:25.846,0:18:32.788 get away from this thought, imprinted individualism, 0:18:32.788,0:18:37.211 and return to the consideration that we are 0:18:37.211,0:18:40.994 members of a society and think more along those lines. 0:18:40.994,0:18:46.486 This will give us more satisfaction unlike individualism 0:18:47.455,0:18:51.800 that is the cause of a lot of the frustration. 0:18:52.723,0:18:55.880 Now we hope that there will be a political response, 0:18:55.880,0:18:58.600 so that we are not forced to make the change, 0:18:58.600,0:19:01.280 but I'm afraid that if we don't get any answer soon, 0:19:01.280,0:19:04.760 that we should take matters in our own hands. 0:19:04.760,0:19:09.280 To have a sustainable society based on sharing, 0:19:09.280,0:19:14.920 really, a change of values for humanity. 0:19:14.920,0:19:19.720 It's when we become violent (like war) to achieve certain things 0:19:19.720,0:19:23.680 that we're departing from the wrong basics, 0:19:23.680,0:19:27.418 and we don't want that, we want peace for everyone. 0:19:27.418,0:19:30.225 What do you think makes you happy? 0:19:35.594,0:19:38.480 Personal relationships.. 0:19:38.480,0:19:40.280 Connecting with other people? 0:19:40.280,0:19:41.788 Yeah, 0:19:41.788,0:19:45.258 actually there is a great power in this globalizing world, 0:19:45.258,0:19:52.655 this European idea, we can't allow it to fall apart. 0:19:52.655,0:19:56.323 Creating things, making music, working in the garden, 0:19:56.323,0:19:58.840 seeing plants grow, helping people, 0:19:58.840,0:20:01.474 this makes me happy. 0:20:01.474,0:20:03.982 Seeing the results of those things, 0:20:03.982,0:20:07.698 this what I think, makes it worth it. 0:20:07.698,0:20:11.108 Everybody is different, but for me, 0:20:11.108,0:20:15.105 it is my degree, I'm a student in psychology, 0:20:15.105,0:20:19.674 being happy, but it's complicated. 0:20:21.120,0:20:23.062 And you? 0:20:23.662,0:20:25.458 That's for another interview.. 0:20:25.458,0:20:26.212 What makes you happy? 0:20:26.212,0:20:27.182 What makes me happy? 0:20:27.182,0:20:32.000 My family, my friends, feeling connected to other people, 0:20:32.692,0:20:34.425 certainly not money. 0:20:34.425,0:20:36.834 You need money in this world to buy stuff, 0:20:36.834,0:20:38.785 but its not what makes me happy. 0:20:38.785,0:20:43.729 Just enough money to eat, have a normal life, I think. 0:20:43.729,0:20:45.105 Have your basic needs met, 0:20:45.105,0:20:46.329 Yeah, basic needs, 0:20:46.329,0:20:47.662 what people need. 0:20:47.662,0:20:48.808 I think so. 0:20:48.808,0:20:51.815 When everyone is happy. 0:20:51.815,0:20:53.009 People around you? 0:20:53.009,0:20:53.945 Everyone. 0:20:53.945,0:20:54.612 Everyone? 0:20:54.612,0:20:55.474 Everyone. 0:20:55.474,0:20:58.031 I would like that everyone is happy. 0:20:58.031,0:21:01.102 That everyone has some to live with, 0:21:01.102,0:21:03.320 dignified. 0:21:03.320,0:21:06.643 That is also my happyness. 0:21:07.074,0:21:08.575 But while we are doing this, 0:21:08.575,0:21:10.840 we should at least try to enjoy life, 0:21:10.840,0:21:12.052 the everyday life, 0:21:12.052,0:21:15.077 and I think that we shouldn't separate those two things, 0:21:15.077,0:21:17.825 because I would say that, simply revolting is 0:21:17.825,0:21:21.480 positive on an activism level, but staying in that 0:21:21.480,0:21:25.723 type of attitude might not be pleasant, 0:21:25.723,0:21:28.108 there is no reason that we shouldn't also take joy 0:21:28.108,0:21:31.428 in everyday life while we try to transform things. 0:21:31.428,0:21:35.138 Well here today, I'm very influenced when I see 0:21:35.138,0:21:38.400 that everyone is united and everyone agrees, 0:21:38.400,0:21:40.548 that is what makes me happy. 0:21:40.548,0:21:42.123 Being here with everyone, 0:21:42.123,0:21:46.086 with all people that want change like me. 0:21:46.086,0:21:49.065 Freedom, 0:21:49.065,0:21:50.505 For you personally? 0:21:50.505,0:21:52.585 Absolutely, 0:21:52.585,0:21:55.292 And are there other things? 0:21:55.292,0:21:56.702 Yes, of course, 0:21:56.702,0:22:00.920 Eating, drinking, water, the most important needs, 0:22:02.012,0:22:06.982 and not cars, bling-bling, none of those things. 0:22:06.982,0:22:08.178 Thank you for the interview. 0:22:08.178,0:22:08.935 Thank you. 0:22:08.935,0:22:10.348 Thank you for the interview. 0:22:10.348,0:22:11.077 Thank you. 0:22:11.077,0:22:11.794 You're welcome. 0:22:11.794,0:22:13.760 Thank you for the interview. 0:22:13.760,0:22:14.658 Thanks very much! 0:22:14.658,0:22:15.646 Thanks for the interview. 0:22:15.646,0:22:16.582 You're welcome. 0:22:16.582,0:22:17.625 Thanks for this interview. 0:22:17.625,0:22:18.612 You're welcome. 0:22:18.612,0:22:19.769 Thanks for this interview. 0:22:19.769,0:22:21.520 Thanks very much for this interview. 0:22:21.520,0:22:23.120 And thank you. 0:22:23.120,0:22:23.871 Thanks. 0:22:23.871,0:22:24.818 Thank you. 0:22:24.818,0:22:25.705 Thanks. 0:22:25.705,0:22:26.205 Thanks. 0:22:26.205,0:22:27.046 Thanks for this interview. 0:22:27.046,0:22:27.855 You're welcome. 0:22:28.271,0:22:31.520 Right when we were about to leave, 0:22:31.520,0:22:34.480 we noticed a special van. 0:22:34.680,0:22:37.960 You go and I'll follow you, 0:22:37.960,0:22:40.585 its around my head now, 0:22:44.277,0:22:46.689 Flyer in there. 0:22:49.028,0:22:50.729 You're going to hand a DVD? 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