WEBVTT 00:00:00.163 --> 00:00:05.239 ... outside of what, uh, seems really comfortable and familiar to you, 00:00:05.239 --> 00:00:08.742 and launch out into some real, for you, unknown territory. 00:00:08.742 --> 00:00:10.043 And you haven't gone out there, 00:00:10.043 --> 00:00:14.314 like you haven't, you know, gotten in proximity to black people as you say, 00:00:14.314 --> 00:00:16.517 because you don't have to. 00:00:16.517 --> 00:00:19.687 And that's part of what it means to be American to me, 00:00:19.687 --> 00:00:23.357 is to have all these things that you can do if you want to, 00:00:23.357 --> 00:00:26.761 that you don't have to do if you don't want... don't wanna do, 00:00:26.761 --> 00:00:32.232 and there's a way in which American, and white, and human, become synonyms. 00:00:32.232 --> 00:00:35.202 That "why can't we just treat each other as human beings?", 00:00:35.202 --> 00:00:36.897 to me, when I hear it from a white person, 00:00:36.897 --> 00:00:39.139 means "why can't we all just pretend to be white people.? 00:00:39.139 --> 00:00:43.243 I'll pretend you're a white person, [laughing] and then you can pretend to be white" 00:00:43.243 --> 00:00:44.745 "why don't you eat what i eat?" 00:00:44.745 --> 00:00:45.979 "why don't you drink what I drink?" 00:00:45.979 --> 00:00:47.515 "why don't you think like I think?" 00:00:47.515 --> 00:00:49.750 "why don't you FEEL LIKE I FEEL?" 00:00:49.750 --> 00:00:54.033 "GOD DAMMIT I'M SO SICK AND GODDAMNED TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THAT." 00:00:54.033 --> 00:00:55.389 "I'M SICK OF THAT". 00:00:55.389 --> 00:00:57.691 That's what it means to be human beings to me, 00:00:57.691 --> 00:00:59.327 that's what it means to be white, 00:00:59.327 --> 00:01:00.694 that's what it means to be American, 00:01:00.694 --> 00:01:02.396 why don't you come the hell over here, 00:01:02.396 --> 00:01:04.668 that's what I hear every goddamned day, 00:01:04.668 --> 00:01:06.199 and you know that I can't come over there, 00:01:06.199 --> 00:01:07.534 you know that this skin, 00:01:07.534 --> 00:01:08.535 and that this hair, 00:01:08.535 --> 00:01:09.970 and that this way that I talk 00:01:09.970 --> 00:01:10.871 and I think 00:01:10.871 --> 00:01:11.538 and I feel 00:01:11.538 --> 00:01:12.306 will never 00:01:12.306 --> 00:01:13.373 ever 00:01:13.373 --> 00:01:14.241 get included 00:01:14.241 --> 00:01:16.677 because I'm unpalatable to this goddamn nation. 00:01:16.677 --> 00:01:17.711 I'm unpalatable. 00:01:17.711 --> 00:01:18.746 You cannot swallow me. 00:01:18.746 --> 00:01:19.847 You cannot taste me. 00:01:19.847 --> 00:01:22.049 You cannot tell me because you don't want to. 00:01:22.049 --> 00:01:23.940 You think that you can survive without me, 00:01:23.940 --> 00:01:24.785 but you can't, man. 00:01:24.785 --> 00:01:27.121 You think, and you think that, 00:01:27.121 --> 00:01:31.926 hey it'll all be fine when we just treat each other like human beings. 00:01:31.926 --> 00:01:35.529 And what that says to me is: don't be yourself, be like me. 00:01:35.529 --> 00:01:36.830 Keep me comfortable, 00:01:36.830 --> 00:01:38.899 connect when I'm ready to connect, 00:01:38.899 --> 00:01:41.268 come out to my place, 00:01:41.268 --> 00:01:45.405 or maybe I'll come down and get some artifacts from your place. 00:01:45.405 --> 00:01:46.840 Uh uh. 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:50.878 That is bullshit. 00:01:50.878 --> 00:01:53.852 [breathing heavily] 00:02:03.414 --> 00:02:05.626 When you say that your ethicity is American, 00:02:05.626 --> 00:02:10.831 there is no American ethnicity. 00:02:10.831 --> 00:02:14.301 You had to throw away your ethnicity to become American. 00:02:14.301 --> 00:02:18.405 That's what it means. 00:02:18.405 --> 00:02:19.573 That's what it means. 00:02:19.573 --> 00:02:22.610 You give up who you are to become American. 00:02:22.610 --> 00:02:25.012 And you can pretend that it's ok because you're white. 00:02:25.012 --> 00:02:27.348 When we give up who we are to become American, 00:02:27.348 --> 00:02:29.885 we know that we're dying from it. 00:02:29.885 --> 00:02:33.454 You're dying from it too, but you don't know it necessarily. 00:02:33.454 --> 00:02:35.777 Get ethnic, y'know? 00:02:40.752 --> 00:02:44.464 Y'know, I'm not gonna trust you until you're as willing to be changed 00:02:44.464 --> 00:02:46.933 and affected by my experience, 00:02:46.933 --> 00:02:48.702 and transformed by my experience, 00:02:48.702 --> 00:02:51.010 as I am every day by yours. 00:02:51.272 --> 00:02:55.609 I attended a school for the first time that was predominantly white, 00:02:55.609 --> 00:02:57.711 and I had white teachers, 00:02:57.711 --> 00:02:59.792 and I walked into the classroom, 00:02:59.792 --> 00:03:03.117 and there were 3 reading groups in my 5th grade classroom, 00:03:03.117 --> 00:03:06.453 and I was promptly put into the lowest reading group. 00:03:06.453 --> 00:03:07.854 And I gathered very quickly 00:03:07.854 --> 00:03:12.359 that that was because I'm of African and American descent. 00:03:12.359 --> 00:03:14.467 Then they put me in the internediate reading group, 00:03:14.467 --> 00:03:16.663 and then they put me into the highest reading group, 00:03:16.663 --> 00:03:19.700 and y'know, I just boiled and churned through the whole process 00:03:19.700 --> 00:03:23.820 because my reading level was higher than anything they had in the classroom. 00:03:24.870 --> 00:03:26.373 I'm always dealing with you. 00:03:26.373 --> 00:03:27.708 I'm always dealing with you. 00:03:27.708 --> 00:03:28.909 You don't deal with him, 00:03:28.909 --> 00:03:30.277 you don't deal with me, 00:03:30.277 --> 00:03:32.947 maybe you had an opportunity to deal with some Latino people, 00:03:32.947 --> 00:03:35.516 but we always deal with you, baby. 00:03:35.516 --> 00:03:37.184 Always. 00:03:37.184 --> 00:03:38.618 Every day. 00:03:38.618 --> 00:03:39.686 In the ride up here, 00:03:39.686 --> 00:03:42.923 it's like oh man where are we now? 00:03:42.923 --> 00:03:47.094 Oh god! I hate being out of the city. 00:03:47.094 --> 00:03:51.231 Because I know who's out here... you all. 00:03:51.231 --> 00:03:52.632 Or at least I know who's in charge, 00:03:52.632 --> 00:03:55.002 even if there's other people out here, 00:03:55.002 --> 00:03:57.771 I know who's in charge, 00:03:57.771 --> 00:04:02.309 and I don't know anywhere where I can find some safety that I can rely upon. 00:04:02.309 --> 00:04:04.511 When I'm out here. 00:04:04.511 --> 00:04:07.548 You know, I'm real glad I got to the house before sundown. 00:04:07.548 --> 00:04:11.051 [Loren] yeah, it's like shark-infested waters. 00:04:11.051 --> 00:04:11.918 [David C] Really? 00:04:11.918 --> 00:04:13.286 [Loren] Yes, definitely. 00:04:13.286 --> 00:04:14.932 It doesn't have to be said. 00:04:14.932 --> 00:04:15.722 It can be felt, 00:04:15.722 --> 00:04:17.402 it's... intuitive. 00:04:19.063 --> 00:04:23.597 It's... hard to explain to someone who doesn't have to go through it, 00:04:23.597 --> 00:04:27.468 but, you know, I've traveled down south, 00:04:27.468 --> 00:04:30.704 and y'know... just that feeling... 00:04:30.704 --> 00:04:33.240 like you said, you get... you know... 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:35.009 drive through Kentucky and Tennessee 00:04:35.009 --> 00:04:37.578 and see the Appalachian mountains up ahead of you, 00:04:37.578 --> 00:04:42.582 and know you want to get through those mountains so fast without stopping for anything, 00:04:42.582 --> 00:04:45.087 because you don't know if you'll get out. 00:04:45.318 --> 00:04:47.087 Driving through Ukiah, 00:04:47.087 --> 00:04:51.591 a big pickup was behind me with a gun rack on the back, you know? 00:04:51.591 --> 00:04:52.959 I was nervous. 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:57.431 And there was... and I've never been hurt by somebody on the freeway with a gun rack, 00:04:57.431 --> 00:05:00.934 you know, that's never happened to me, but the fear is still there. 00:05:00.934 --> 00:05:02.536 The fear is still there, 00:05:02.536 --> 00:05:05.005 because I know it can happen. 00:05:05.005 --> 00:05:06.240 I know it can happen 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:07.548 because it has happened. 00:05:07.548 --> 00:05:11.044 Not to me, but to people who look just like me. 00:05:11.044 --> 00:05:14.194 Or who don't look just like me. 00:05:14.748 --> 00:05:16.697 I've got the fear. 00:05:16.697 --> 00:05:18.051 I don't want to stop. 00:05:18.051 --> 00:05:21.655 I don't want to be out on a road around here. 00:05:21.655 --> 00:05:25.158 I tell ya, it's scary, with the gun racks. 00:05:25.158 --> 00:05:26.293 I've done workshops... 00:05:26.293 --> 00:05:27.561 [David C] Do you kow what the gun racks are all about? 00:05:27.561 --> 00:05:28.462 [Gordon] Can I... 00:05:28.462 --> 00:05:30.304 [David C] Sure Gordon. 00:05:30.304 --> 00:05:31.665 [Gordon] Because this is my experience. 00:05:31.665 --> 00:05:33.369 I don't feel safe with those people. 00:05:33.369 --> 00:05:35.135 And that's a stereotype about me, 00:05:35.135 --> 00:05:38.505 and people who have gun racks and pickup trucks, 00:05:38.505 --> 00:05:41.308 but I've had, I used to do a workshop in this area, 00:05:41.308 --> 00:05:44.411 a little further east from here called the Mill Experience, 00:05:44.411 --> 00:05:49.549 and I had 7 shotgun holes through the sign that I had out on the road, 00:05:49.549 --> 00:05:51.384 and picked up the shells and still got em. 00:05:51.384 --> 00:05:57.725 I can't feel what I know Victor feels up here, 00:05:57.725 --> 00:06:00.728 but I got a piece of it. 00:06:00.728 --> 00:06:02.429 It's just scary. 00:06:02.429 --> 00:06:04.361 And I don;t know how to deal with it. 00:06:05.032 --> 00:06:08.802 When my father hit Texas, he never stopped, 00:06:08.802 --> 00:06:11.672 he went straight through Texas. 00:06:11.672 --> 00:06:12.739 We didn't stop, 00:06:12.739 --> 00:06:15.041 well we must have stopped for food, I can't believe that, 00:06:15.041 --> 00:06:16.509 but I don't remember stopping. 00:06:16.509 --> 00:06:18.712 I know we didn't stop to sleep. 00:06:18.712 --> 00:06:22.847 I mean, it's like he wanted to get out of that state as fast as he could. 00:06:23.416 --> 00:06:28.222 I had no comprehension... and especially from you, 00:06:28.222 --> 00:06:29.356 you Latinos, 00:06:29.356 --> 00:06:33.834 that you are frightened to come up highway 101. 00:06:33.834 --> 00:06:37.564 That is, uh, in my opinion, unfounded. 00:06:37.564 --> 00:06:40.793 An unfounded fear and apprehension on your parts. 00:06:41.101 --> 00:06:42.269 Unfounded?? 00:06:42.269 --> 00:06:43.436 There's that word again... 00:06:43.436 --> 00:06:45.238 This valley is not hostile to Latinos. 00:06:45.238 --> 00:06:49.175 [Loren Moye] How can you say that? You're not Latino? 00:06:49.576 --> 00:06:51.878 No, it's not hostile to Latinos. 00:06:51.878 --> 00:06:53.179 [David L] Can I just... 00:06:53.179 --> 00:07:00.254 [David C] And Victor and Loren here are expressing feelings that 00:07:00.254 --> 00:07:06.226 I... I'm afraid that these feelings, there will be no progress, and no change in racism. 00:07:06.226 --> 00:07:09.263 The fear of colour will remain 00:07:09.263 --> 00:07:11.643 the gap isn't being bridged here. 00:07:12.628 --> 00:07:15.001 [Loren] I thought Victor explained that very clearly, 00:07:15.001 --> 00:07:18.171 that we ... we've changed, as far as we're gonna change... 00:07:18.509 --> 00:07:20.640 Yeah, and you're expecting a change from the white person... 00:07:20.640 --> 00:07:21.908 [Loren] Exactly. 00:07:21.908 --> 00:07:28.248 And I'm saying to you, you're the same as I am, and you don't believe that. 00:07:28.248 --> 00:07:32.352 And I think that that really may be more predominant than you think. 00:07:32.352 --> 00:07:34.716 But what about guys like Colin Powell? 00:07:34.716 --> 00:07:37.724 [others laughing] 00:07:37.724 --> 00:07:39.626 You know... why do you laugh about that? 00:07:39.626 --> 00:07:42.379 [Loren] I'm not laughing. I think it's a serious issue. 00:07:42.379 --> 00:07:44.398 He did make it, but what did he make? 00:07:44.398 --> 00:07:48.201 There are many professors in the California college system that are coloured, 00:07:48.201 --> 00:07:50.003 and they're respected and... 00:07:50.003 --> 00:07:51.671 [Victor] "Coloured". 00:07:51.671 --> 00:07:54.841 Well... what... African American, Chinese, and Latino, what do you want me to do? 00:07:54.841 --> 00:07:56.443 Let's lump it all together in one term, coloured. 00:07:56.443 --> 00:07:57.077 I'm coloured, 00:07:57.077 --> 00:07:57.610 I'm white. 00:07:57.610 --> 00:07:59.079 You called me white, and I'm a colour. 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.815 [Loren] Let's go back to Colin Powell, Colin Powell's responsible for killing... 00:08:01.815 --> 00:08:03.717 This is emotional, and this is totally normal, 00:08:03.717 --> 00:08:07.054 and, to be so emotional about this topic. 00:08:07.054 --> 00:08:09.156 And I think I feel a lot of frustration here David, 00:08:09.156 --> 00:08:16.430 and I think, um, you have to listen to our experiences because they're valid. 00:08:16.430 --> 00:08:19.399 I believe that, they are valid for you... 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:21.735 Well I don't think you do, because, let me tell you why I don't think you do. 00:08:21.735 --> 00:08:24.904 It souds like, you're bouncing it back to them and saying 00:08:24.904 --> 00:08:29.743 "it's your problem, why do you guys act like this? You guys can drive down the street , down highway 101..." 00:08:29.743 --> 00:08:32.179 [David C] And I can go into Chinatown... 00:08:32.179 --> 00:08:33.247 [David L] No. Listen to me... 00:08:33.247 --> 00:08:34.448 [David C] ...and be frightened to death... 00:08:34.448 --> 00:08:37.317 [David L] Well, listen to me, part of, I mean, when I drove... 00:08:37.317 --> 00:08:40.087 [David C] And I do get frightened... 00:08:40.087 --> 00:08:42.689 [David L] You gotta listen to me. 00:08:42.689 --> 00:08:44.057 [Yutaka] Breathe. 00:08:44.057 --> 00:08:45.759 [David C taking a deep breath] 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.361 [David L] When I drive down highway 101, you know, I didn't feel quite comfortable either. 00:08:48.361 --> 00:08:49.162 [David C] Really? 00:08:49.162 --> 00:08:51.765 [David L] No, but let me tell you my experience, where I'm coming from. 00:08:51.765 --> 00:08:56.603 I grew up, I went to highschool in an all-white environment. 00:08:56.603 --> 00:08:59.005 I was the only person of colour in my highschool. 00:08:59.005 --> 00:09:03.243 I resented being Asian because I wasn't white. 00:09:03.243 --> 00:09:06.413 This kind of racism is in place so that people don't even think about it, 00:09:06.413 --> 00:09:07.714 it just happens. 00:09:07.714 --> 00:09:09.516 I just feel left out. 00:09:09.516 --> 00:09:12.853 When I stand in line in a counter to be served, to buy something, 00:09:12.853 --> 00:09:16.657 and the white person who comes after me gets served first, 00:09:17.149 --> 00:09:19.893 it's not done on purpose, 00:09:19.893 --> 00:09:22.395 it's because the person doesn't see me. 00:09:22.395 --> 00:09:24.731 I'm invisible to that white person, 00:09:24.731 --> 00:09:26.666 to the clerk. 00:09:27.312 --> 00:09:29.502 You see? 00:09:31.040 --> 00:09:32.627 I'm invisible. 00:09:32.627 --> 00:09:34.174 That happens to me. 00:09:34.174 --> 00:09:36.109 I was talking to some friends in a restaurant, 00:09:36.109 --> 00:09:37.503 got the same thing as you, David, 00:09:37.503 --> 00:09:41.548 but they started asking me the order, get their food, to get their food, y'know? 00:09:41.548 --> 00:09:44.785 Started ordering and looking up at me. 00:09:44.785 --> 00:09:49.022 It's this insidious thing that you deal with daily. 00:09:49.022 --> 00:09:51.124 Every day I go to a professional workshop 00:09:51.124 --> 00:09:54.794 "oh! Don't I know you? I met you at the last one!" 00:09:54.794 --> 00:09:56.162 [laughing] 00:09:56.162 --> 00:09:56.962 You know? 00:09:56.962 --> 00:09:59.566 Every fuckin' time. 00:09:59.566 --> 00:10:02.001 If not once, several times. 00:10:02.001 --> 00:10:06.640 Every time, no one recognizes, y'know, we all look alike, right? 00:10:06.640 --> 00:10:08.850 And this is a continual thing. 00:10:08.850 --> 00:10:10.777 Continual. 00:10:10.777 --> 00:10:14.948 Even, y'know, I... took your comment out of naïveté earlier 00:10:14.948 --> 00:10:20.420 when you said "well, you don't look Japanese, I'm not sure what you look like, y'know?" 00:10:20.420 --> 00:10:31.431 And uh, but, this happens, it's just... in the air that you breathe. 00:10:31.431 --> 00:10:35.558 And all these things are... seem like doors to shut you out from something. 00:10:40.151 --> 00:10:43.777 What I see from, uh, white people generally, 00:10:43.777 --> 00:10:46.580 is that they don't talk about themselves as white people. 00:10:46.580 --> 00:10:48.975 They talk about themselves as human beings, 00:10:48.975 --> 00:10:51.807 as if it means the same thing. 00:10:51.807 --> 00:10:56.222 Now, what I wanna know is what it means to be white. 00:10:56.222 --> 00:10:58.458 Not what it means to be a human being, 00:10:58.458 --> 00:11:01.188 because we already know that you're a human being, 00:11:01.188 --> 00:11:05.098 and we can already relate to the universal human experience. 00:11:05.098 --> 00:11:06.866 What is the white experience? 00:11:06.866 --> 00:11:11.772 When I, uh, uh, look at you manifesting your white experience, 00:11:11.772 --> 00:11:17.077 I also see you not naming it. 00:11:17.077 --> 00:11:18.679 I see you want it to blur the distinctions, 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:19.980 between just being a person 00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:23.316 and also, most particularly, being a white person, 00:11:23.316 --> 00:11:25.285 and what that means. 00:11:25.285 --> 00:11:27.620 And I think that part of what it means to be white 00:11:27.620 --> 00:11:30.123 is never, it means never having to say you're sorry, 00:11:30.123 --> 00:11:34.561 but it also means never having to admit 00:11:34.561 --> 00:11:39.199 that to be white means something different than to be a person of colour, 00:11:39.199 --> 00:11:41.201 and that there is an experience that you have 00:11:41.201 --> 00:11:44.115 that is very different from what the experience of people of colour is. 00:11:45.305 --> 00:11:50.744 I'm sure that there were many times that I felt that, uh, people of colour were being mistreated, 00:11:50.744 --> 00:11:57.550 probably when I was in my late teens going down to, uh, basically black areas 00:11:57.550 --> 00:11:59.619 and seeing the cops around a lot. 00:11:59.619 --> 00:12:01.287 We'd go down there and dance, 00:12:01.287 --> 00:12:03.623 uh, and see the police around. 00:12:03.623 --> 00:12:05.925 But I don't think there was a lot of awareness, 00:12:05.925 --> 00:12:09.362 it was more just... a numbess... 00:12:09.362 --> 00:12:12.132 I... it doesn't happen to me, 00:12:12.132 --> 00:12:14.735 it doesn't happen in my area, 00:12:14.735 --> 00:12:17.258 uh, and so... that's somebody else's problem. 00:12:18.839 --> 00:12:21.575 I never consider myself as you do, 00:12:22.160 --> 00:12:25.047 a part of an ethnic group. 00:12:26.220 --> 00:12:28.514 I think that's what you're looking for, 00:12:28.514 --> 00:12:29.916 and you're not going to find that among us, 00:12:29.916 --> 00:12:31.839 because we don't look at ourselves as an ethnic group. 00:12:32.443 --> 00:12:34.354 [Victor] Do you know that that means something? 00:12:34.492 --> 00:12:35.972 [David C] I don't know what it means, I mean... 00:12:36.064 --> 00:12:38.191 [Victor] I'm telling you that that means something... 00:12:38.345 --> 00:12:40.226 [David C] I'm trying to answer your question Victor, 00:12:40.226 --> 00:12:42.395 and as you were asking that question, I'm saying, well gosh, 00:12:42.395 --> 00:12:46.862 I never considered myself part of a white group. 00:12:48.186 --> 00:12:49.202 I just wonder, 00:12:49.202 --> 00:12:51.304 doesn't it seem kina deep to you 00:12:51.304 --> 00:12:53.294 that you don't have an answer to that question? 00:12:53.294 --> 00:12:56.220 That you have no, do you have any notion that 00:12:56.220 --> 00:12:58.611 the fact that you have no answer to that could actually 00:12:58.611 --> 00:13:02.282 be a source of meaning, experience, or knowledge? 00:13:02.451 --> 00:13:05.518 The opposite is how I feel about you, Victor. 00:13:05.518 --> 00:13:09.355 That you have no comprehension that the world is open to you. 00:13:09.355 --> 00:13:12.759 You think that the white man is a block and a dam to your progress, 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:15.400 and he is not. 00:13:15.400 --> 00:13:18.198 I think you put up that dam and that block yourself, 00:13:18.198 --> 00:13:20.233 in your regard to the white man. 00:13:20.602 --> 00:13:24.270 [Loren] See I think that's one of the major problems with racism. 00:13:24.270 --> 00:13:26.573 I think he did answer the question. 00:13:26.573 --> 00:13:30.076 As a white man, he doesn't have to think about his position in life, 00:13:30.076 --> 00:13:31.911 his place in the world. 00:13:31.911 --> 00:13:34.847 The history books tell him, as they are written, 00:13:34.847 --> 00:13:36.883 that this world is his. 00:13:36.883 --> 00:13:40.520 He doesn't have to think about um you know 00:13:40.520 --> 00:13:42.422 where he goes, what he does. 00:13:42.422 --> 00:13:45.260 He doesn't have to think like a white person. 00:13:45.260 --> 00:13:46.860 The way the world has been set up, 00:13:46.860 --> 00:13:48.228 America in particular, 00:13:48.228 --> 00:13:50.530 white is, is human. 00:13:50.530 --> 00:13:52.098 [Roberto] ... that white is a human being. 00:13:52.098 --> 00:13:55.268 [Loren] Right. That's what a human being is. 00:13:55.268 --> 00:13:57.537 So he doesn't have to worry 00:13:57.537 --> 00:14:00.673 about what, how do I think like a white person. 00:14:00.673 --> 00:14:02.542 That does, I... 00:14:02.542 --> 00:14:05.545 I don't know, but I would assume that doesn't enter a white person's mind, 00:14:05.545 --> 00:14:09.363 because they don't, they don't have to deal with that from day one. 00:14:09.363 --> 00:14:11.884 They step into a world that is theirs. 00:14:11.884 --> 00:14:14.287 [Hugh] It's a good question... 00:14:14.287 --> 00:14:16.590 [some talking over one another] 00:14:16.590 --> 00:14:22.923 [Victor] I need to respond to your saying that... that I create uh my own racial predicament 00:14:22.923 --> 00:14:24.497 by my thinking and my attitudes? 00:14:24.497 --> 00:14:26.333 [David C] You block your progress... 00:14:26.333 --> 00:14:28.001 [Victor] I block my own progress? 00:14:28.001 --> 00:14:31.771 [David C] By allowing your attitude toward the white man to limit you. 00:14:31.771 --> 00:14:35.274 [Victor] I think the police limit me. 00:14:35.274 --> 00:14:43.316 I think that white supremacy has placed limitations on where I can go and what I can do. 00:14:43.316 --> 00:14:52.425 But I don't think that, that I cause my own predicament under uh white supremacy... 00:14:52.425 --> 00:14:56.830 and by white supremacy I don't mean uh Neo Nazis, and I don't mean Klan, 00:14:56.830 --> 00:14:58.565 because I'm not... 00:14:58.565 --> 99:59:59.999 I'm terrified of those people...