WEBVTT 00:00:10.210 --> 00:00:17.217 - When were you involved for the first time with the Friendship case? 00:00:17.217 --> 00:00:38.940 It started in 1960, between 1960 and 1961, in a very banal way, because I saw pictures made by Bruno Ghibaudi 00:00:38.940 --> 00:00:49.917 on a weekly magazine called “Settimana INCOM" about 3 flying objects that appeared on the coast of Pescara 00:00:49.917 --> 00:01:04.698 One was very strange, the picture was very nice and I thought that it could be real 00:01:04.698 --> 00:01:14.074 because one object was really peculiar, while the other two were classic saucer shaped. 00:01:14.074 --> 00:01:22.282 So I wrote to him (to the magazine) a few lines, congratulating with him and adding something like 00:01:22.282 --> 00:01:37.531 “let’s hope that those beings help us”. After 2-3 days, the time for the magazine to receive the letter, 00:01:37.531 --> 00:01:51.244 I received a phone call from Ghibaudi, telling me that my letter was chosen among the many ones they received 00:01:51.244 --> 00:02:04.658 It was strange...he was using the plural...and he asked for an appointment. 00:02:04.658 --> 00:02:16.536 He arrived in the evening - I had a group of friends, with whom I was sharing ufo sightings information 00:02:16.536 --> 00:02:39.526 and field research, analysing the different cases, selecting hoaxes, from real ones, trying to understand - and I invited this group, too. 00:02:39.526 --> 00:02:49.803 Ghibaudi told about the things directly, without making names (like Bruno Sammaciccia) 00:02:49.803 --> 00:02:59.179 He told about W56, the bases, everything, and we were a little surprised. 00:02:59.179 --> 00:03:06.586 Then at the end of the evening, while we were going down the stairs, Bruno told me: 00:03:06.586 --> 00:03:12.959 “there will be very few left of those ones” and in fact only one remained of that group, Paolo Torre, 00:03:12.959 --> 00:03:18.432 and all the others have left. 00:03:18.432 --> 00:03:31.578 And after a couple of time that I have seen Ghibaudi, one evening he arrived with Bruno, 00:03:31.578 --> 00:03:35.782 and then my story began. 00:03:35.782 --> 00:03:43.657 I started to know a little more, the phenomena,… it lasted for 5 years. 00:03:43.657 --> 00:03:56.770 Bruno was a charismatic man, fascinating, with culture, he could speak very well, 00:03:56.770 --> 00:04:16.790 a passionate man, from the south. It was difficult say “no” to him, he was leading me slowly, nicely, 00:04:16.790 --> 00:04:25.632 through the events, the phenomena, I owe everything to Bruno. I still have him in my heart, 00:04:25.632 --> 00:04:50.157 even if in the end he was tired, stressed. This story made go crazy 2 people, it’s not an easy story. 00:04:50.157 --> 00:05:01.935 I also had some difficulty in dealing with it, one needs to be really balanced. The other world: we don’t know it 00:05:01.935 --> 00:05:09.075 but we would like to be there. This world here: it is too unbearable, and so you live somehow in between, 00:05:09.075 --> 00:05:13.146 but after a while you get used to it and you manage it. 00:05:13.146 --> 00:05:23.477 Humans, who have a normal nervous system, can get used to everything. 00:05:23.477 --> 00:05:44.411 I imagine that the ones who had experiences even deeper than mine, had some stress, and Bruno also had a great responsibility toward them. 00:05:44.411 --> 00:05:52.018 My first encounter with this reality was through objects teleportation, 00:05:52.018 --> 00:05:58.658 film reels were materializing in the air and falling down in the ground. 00:05:58.658 --> 00:06:00.860 - Film reels of movies? 00:06:00.860 --> 00:06:06.666 Yes, movies that we then would watch or audio reels, 00:06:06.666 --> 00:06:15.208 with sometimes a greetings or sometimes some direction of things to do. 00:06:15.208 --> 00:06:28.955 Then there were those control "nuclei" of the apartment, there were blue lightning, 2-3 metres long 00:06:28.955 --> 00:06:37.642 with a diameter of 20-30 centimetres, light blue, they would pop close to us without hitting us, 00:06:37.642 --> 00:06:54.714 They were renewing the nuclei of the apartment. Once every 20 days or so we would see those phenomena, 00:06:54.714 --> 00:07:03.290 because the nuclei needed to be renewed. 00:07:03.290 --> 00:07:17.637 Then Bruno asked me to buy a little radio, he put it on the table and after 2-3 minutes a blue flame came out of it, 00:07:17.637 --> 00:07:27.247 half meter high and he then said “ok now it is ready” and I always carried it with me. 00:07:27.247 --> 00:07:32.485 Sometimes “SIGIR” (a member of the friendship case) or other members would speak through it. 00:07:32.485 --> 00:07:41.328 It would switch on by it self, Bruno would tell me to change the radio frequencies and I would change them 00:07:41.328 --> 00:07:49.769 but the voices would still be there. I even tried to put another radio close to it, tuned on Milan. 00:07:49.769 --> 00:07:59.179 Both radio were tuned on Milan, but suddenly mine would switch into the voice of Sigir, while the other was still tuned on Milan. 00:08:09.889 --> 00:08:21.501 Then, one day, Bruno told me “They want to make you a present, a gift, choose a place!" 00:08:21.501 --> 00:08:36.983 So I have chosen "Trenno" a place close to Milan and we went there and we made a movie of the disc that I showed you before, 00:08:36.983 --> 00:08:48.895 and also photos. Then I took my photographic film to be developed 00:08:48.895 --> 00:08:58.938 and then we went home and we watched the movie. 00:08:58.938 --> 00:09:07.814 Then a lot of funny things happened, I remember that in 5 years I have seen 7-8 times other discs 00:09:07.814 --> 00:09:14.687 after a call for an appointment, also small, bright, in the night, in the sky, 00:09:14.687 --> 00:09:31.237 one was moving in a particular way doing like a theatre, an exhibition, I saw many things...phenomena...etc. 00:09:35.091 --> 00:09:38.945 - Did you have a direct encounter with one of the W56? 00:09:38.945 --> 00:09:47.153 No, I didn’t meet any, also because it was a dangerous time, they couldn’t get out of their bases 00:09:47.153 --> 00:10:04.192 First fo all they were about 3 meters tall, so it wasn’t so easy, well some were smaller, but it wasn’t safe to go out 00:10:04.192 --> 00:10:14.974 Only once they showed up on a hill, about 300 meters from the house of Bruno in Pescara, 00:10:14.974 --> 00:10:39.272 but I wasn’t there - in the group we were initially about 10-15 people. There was a judge, an economist...a lawyer... 00:10:39.272 --> 00:10:47.213 and they saw them on that hill, saying hello. 00:10:47.213 --> 00:10:53.786 Bruno told once that on that hill that summer would happen something, and indeed it happened, they were there. 00:10:53.786 --> 00:10:59.993 They took pictures of them, there were some sea pines, and they were leaning to this pines and were saying hello. 00:10:59.993 --> 00:11:15.141 I arrived just after that, and we went afterwards there to take measures and we measured that he was 4 meters tall. 00:11:15.641 --> 00:11:27.921 They took pictures of them and we all went to the photographer to develop the roll of film. No image! 00:11:27.921 --> 00:11:41.868 Once there was also my wife, we were at Bruno’s home, there was my little radio and we were 10-12 people 00:11:41.868 --> 00:11:51.511 and we were sitting randomly, and Sigir started to talk from the radio, he said hello to everyone 00:11:51.511 --> 00:11:57.650 following the order of our position, he could probably see us. 00:11:57.650 --> 00:11:59.919 - How was he speaking, using a good Italian? 00:11:59.919 --> 00:12:10.730 Yes, good Italian, the Italian was perfect for all members, but Sigir, when he was greeting 00:12:10.730 --> 00:12:16.970 He was saying “saluto tutti” (greetings to everyone) using an Abruzzo slang, and once I asked to Bruno: 00:12:16.970 --> 00:12:31.618 "Why does he say “saluto tutti” while the correct form is “saluto tutti” ? 00:12:31.618 --> 00:12:41.928 And in that moment from the radio the voice of Sigir came immediately back and said : “Gaspare! Saluto tutti!”. 00:12:41.928 --> 00:12:53.272 He wanted to make it clear that he greeted this way, because also Bruno was greeting this way. 00:12:53.272 --> 00:12:55.041 - They were imitating the dialect? 00:12:55.041 --> 00:13:08.454 Yes, they were imitating the dialect, and sometimes Dimpietro said “Gaspare, change your thoughts!" - because i was thinking something wrong... 00:13:11.424 --> 00:13:18.131 - Wich of the W56 was more likeable? At least according to their voices. 00:13:18.131 --> 00:13:28.174 Sigir had a powerful voice, I liked Gallarate. 00:13:28.174 --> 00:13:30.243 - Why? 00:13:30.243 --> 00:13:40.987 Because first he was one of the youngest. Obviously we called him Gallarate [it's the name of a little town]. We choosed this name 00:13:40.987 --> 00:13:45.792 because the first time that he arrived on Earth he saw Gallarate and he said: “How beautiful is Gallarate!” 00:13:45.792 --> 00:13:57.970 What's nice in that city? But he liked it, so we called him with this name. And one day there was the transmission 00:13:57.970 --> 00:14:12.185 of a radio quiz between two towns, Gallarate and Frosinone, and Gallarate was rooting (supporting) for Gallarate! 00:14:12.185 --> 00:14:22.028 And we laughed and I liked him because he was a little different from the others, 00:14:22.028 --> 00:14:31.270 he was more similar to us. But I liked them all. 00:14:31.270 --> 00:14:42.982 Dimpietro did blame me twice, he was sweet but he was also very straight. 00:14:42.982 --> 00:14:45.518 - Why did he blame you? 00:14:45.518 --> 00:14:50.656 Because I was thinking about something that shouldn’t be thought, I was thinking about 00:14:50.656 --> 00:14:57.697 nervous things. 00:14:57.697 --> 00:15:07.774 At the beginning, humans are doubtful, doubt is part of an intelligent mind, otherwise we would be all dupes. 00:15:07.774 --> 00:15:21.087 You can have strong doubts that can stimulate you or you can have light doubts, that are only worries 00:15:21.087 --> 00:15:33.633 but then, in the long term, from Their voices and from Their vibration, you become trustful. 00:15:33.633 --> 00:15:42.141 After in all, the word “trust” exists, you can find it on the dictionary, so we should use it. 00:15:42.141 --> 00:15:53.419 At a certain point you have to trust someone. With doubt you can always question everything, endlessly, 00:15:53.419 --> 00:16:11.270 but trust came spontaneously. They make you feel it, it’s like when you fell in love with your wife, 00:16:11.270 --> 00:16:18.945 it was enough her word of love and you trusted her, you didn’t put her through a lie detector. 00:16:18.945 --> 00:16:44.136 You feel it. If we don’t feel trust, it’s our fault. You need more trust than faith, you could leave out faith, 00:16:44.136 --> 00:17:07.927 but trust is more important. Faith is too high, trust you can give it to a friend. Friendship is important 00:17:07.927 --> 00:17:18.437 you can also not believe in God, but be “love”. I know some atheists that are wonderful people. 00:17:18.437 --> 00:17:25.111 Trust is for me the most important thing.For me. 00:17:25.111 --> 00:17:34.287 I think that the differences were caused by different ideologies, Bruno once tried to explain this thing, 00:17:34.287 --> 00:17:55.007 there are things that we don’t know about them (life values, laws, ethic, technology, science) 00:17:55.007 --> 00:17:59.979 we can not understand their different intentions. 00:17:59.979 --> 00:18:16.295 To give me an example, Bruno once said: “imagine a solar system that is disharmonic, 00:18:16.295 --> 00:18:29.608 that disturbs that side of the galaxy, well some civilisations, let’s say the CTR [the W56 enemies] 00:18:29.608 --> 00:18:50.129 with their technology they can cancel it, destroy it and therefore improve the harmony of that side of the Galaxy. 00:18:50.129 --> 00:18:57.269 The W56, would do different, in their ideology they think that if nature has created this solar system 00:18:57.269 --> 00:19:04.644 one can try to reduce the damage respecting the nature of things.” 00:19:04.644 --> 00:19:09.582 Of course the CTR would destroy the planet only if it was not inhabited, but they would interfere 00:19:09.582 --> 00:19:21.527 anyway on the nature of cosmos, while W56 would respect it, even if there it disturbs. 00:19:21.527 --> 00:19:31.003 This is a principle that it develops also on ethics, on values. This doesn’t mean that CTR are bad 00:19:31.003 --> 00:19:44.650 If they didn’t destroy their own civilisation it means that they love each others, they love their wives, their pets. 00:19:44.650 --> 00:20:08.641 But they have ideology that are colder and straight, science could be their God. While for the W56, God is Love. 00:20:08.641 --> 00:20:17.883 - Why do you think that beings, that are so evolved, needed your logistic help? 00:20:17.883 --> 00:20:26.826 Yes, they needed water, for us it was a minor effort, Bruno went to a friend who had barrels, 00:20:26.826 --> 00:20:37.903 he borrowed them, we filled them with tap water, we hired a van and we drove up there. 00:20:37.903 --> 00:21:02.528 Sometimes they would ask other material, rarely 4 times in 5 years, it happened that you were asked 00:21:02.528 --> 00:21:08.667 for some material, and Bruno would organize it. 00:21:08.667 --> 00:21:24.216 But I have a personal idea about this, I could be also wrong, but this is my idea: since they needed 00:21:24.216 --> 00:21:41.267 Uredda (love energy) to survive, they needed a certain quantity of it (if we want to put it in market words) 00:21:41.267 --> 00:21:52.578 but we didn’t give it to them, because, we were not in harmony between us. 00:21:52.578 --> 00:22:08.727 Lets’ say, I don’t give you love, I don’t give you friendship and you jump in a river 00:22:08.727 --> 00:22:18.437 and, even if youcan swim, you shout “help! help!” to see if I give you my hand. 00:22:18.437 --> 00:22:31.050 So I have to help you and I give you my hand and so you receive my “rate of uredda” (love energy) that you need. 00:22:31.050 --> 00:22:38.757 So this demands of material could be a game to indirectly ask for uredda, but this is my personal idea 00:22:38.757 --> 00:22:55.074 I told it to Breccia and he listened to me and said “it could really be like this”. 00:22:55.074 --> 00:23:02.448 - Do you think that They have definitely left the Earth, after 1978, after their defeat? 00:23:02.448 --> 00:23:11.557 Well, I left in 1965, so I didn’t live the last events, I hope not, I think not, 00:23:11.557 --> 00:23:21.934 because if they have this duty in regard to planet earth, they shouldn’t be stopped by the failure of 10 rundown people. 00:23:21.934 --> 00:23:38.717 I think, I hope that they are still around. They certainly are still around, but we as a group, on the uredda (love energy) aspect, we have failed. 00:23:38.717 --> 00:23:45.057 We are not here doing the heroes, grying “Victory, Victory”! 00:23:45.057 --> 00:23:49.495 No, no, we failed, which is worse. 00:23:49.495 --> 00:24:00.673 - What did the W56 give you spiritually speaking? How did they change your vision about life? 00:24:00.673 --> 00:24:09.782 They made me understand that a better world is not utopia, because They exist. 00:24:09.782 --> 00:24:30.235 We are what we are, we are getting worse. While knowing that They exist and that They live on a wonderful way, 00:24:30.235 --> 00:24:36.608 That They are wonderful, you can realise that it is not an utopia, 00:24:36.608 --> 00:24:44.283 so it is something to live in a cosmos where there are goals that we could access. 00:24:44.283 --> 00:24:56.362 Sometimes I was asking about God, about big questions...Once they answered me: 00:24:56.362 --> 00:25:03.335 “Look Gaspare, think that we are here like a military party, not like missionary”. 00:25:03.335 --> 00:25:12.311 We then understood, me and my wife, that we were asking things to which they could not answer, 00:25:12.311 --> 00:25:19.918 because we would have understood them on our own, through our spiritual evolution, we met Osho 00:25:19.918 --> 00:25:23.489 and this also helped us. 00:25:23.489 --> 00:25:32.498 So I received a lot from their way of speaking, from their presence. 00:25:32.498 --> 00:25:44.243 - Why, according to you, did the W56 project fail, if it failed? 00:25:44.243 --> 00:25:52.785 Well, WE failed. Because of that Uredda (love energy) they called in this way, it was an energy, 00:25:52.785 --> 00:26:01.927 like the one when there is a negative pole and a positive pole, quanta and tachions, that uredda was the energy of love. 00:26:01.927 --> 00:26:12.805 A love that we should have shared between us in the group and toward them. 00:26:12.805 --> 00:26:22.214 Toward them it was easy, between the group…we are what we are. And after 5 years it was broken. 00:26:22.214 --> 00:26:34.927 So this uredda, that they collected it in their instruments in the bases, defence devices or others, I don’t know.. 00:26:34.927 --> 00:26:46.538 and when they didn’t receive this “fuel” (lets call it like this) the thing ended. 00:26:46.538 --> 00:26:55.681 They had to go,but I think, and it seems that, they knew it very well 00:26:55.681 --> 00:27:03.889 but they had to make this experience.