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- When were you involved for the first time with the Friendship case?

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It started in 1960, between 1960 and 1961, in a very banal way, because I saw pictures made by Bruno Ghibaudi

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on a weekly magazine called “Settimana INCOM" about 3 flying objects that appeared on the coast of Pescara

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One was very strange, the picture was very nice and I thought that it could be real

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because one object was really peculiar, while the other two were classic saucer shaped.

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So I wrote to him (to the magazine) a few lines, congratulating with him and adding something like

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“let’s hope that those beings help us”. After 2-3 days, the time for the magazine to receive the letter,

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I received a phone call from Ghibaudi, telling me that my letter was chosen among the many ones they received

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It was strange...he was using the plural...and he asked for an appointment.

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He arrived in the evening - I had a group of friends, with whom I was sharing ufo sightings information

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and field research, analysing the different cases, selecting hoaxes, from real ones, trying to understand - and I invited this group, too.

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Ghibaudi told about the things directly, without making names (like Bruno Sammaciccia)

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He told about W56, the bases, everything, and we were a little surprised.

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Then at the end of the evening, while we were going down the stairs, Bruno told me:

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“there will be very few left of those ones” and in fact only one remained of that group, Paolo Torre,

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and all the others have left.

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And after a couple of time that I have seen Ghibaudi, one evening he arrived with Bruno,

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and then my story began.

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I started to know a little more, the phenomena,… it lasted for 5 years.

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Bruno was a charismatic man, fascinating, with culture, he could speak very well,

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a passionate man, from the south. It was difficult say “no” to him, he was leading me slowly, nicely,

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through the events, the phenomena, I owe everything to Bruno. I still have him in my heart,

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even if in the end he was tired, stressed. This story made go crazy 2 people, it’s not an easy story.

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I also had some difficulty in dealing with it, one needs to be really balanced. The other world: we don’t know it

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but we would like to be there. This world here: it is too unbearable, and so you live somehow in between,

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but after a while you get used to it and you manage it.

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Humans, who have a normal nervous system, can get used to everything.

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I imagine that the ones who had experiences even deeper than mine, had some stress, and Bruno also had a great responsibility toward them.

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My first encounter with this reality was through objects teleportation,

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film reels were materializing in the air and falling down in the ground.

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- Film reels of movies?

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Yes, movies that we then would watch or audio reels,

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with sometimes a greetings or sometimes some direction of things to do.

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Then there were those control "nuclei" of the apartment, there were blue lightning, 2-3 metres long

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with a diameter of 20-30 centimetres, light blue, they would pop close to us without hitting us,

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They were renewing the nuclei of the apartment. Once every 20 days or so we would see those phenomena,

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because the nuclei needed to be renewed.

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Then Bruno asked me to buy a little radio, he put it on the table and after 2-3 minutes a blue flame came out of it,

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half meter high and he then said “ok now it is ready” and I always carried it with me.

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Sometimes “SIGIR” (a member of the friendship case) or other members would speak through it.

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It would switch on by it self, Bruno would tell me to change the radio frequencies and I would change them

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but the voices would still be there. I even tried to put another radio close to it, tuned on Milan.

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Both radio were tuned on Milan, but suddenly mine would switch into the voice of Sigir, while the other was still tuned on Milan.

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Then, one day, Bruno told me “They want to make you a present, a gift, choose a place!"

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So I have chosen "Trenno" a place close to Milan and we went there and we made a movie of the disc that I showed you before,

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and also photos. Then I took my photographic film to be developed

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and then we went home and we watched the movie.

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Then a lot of funny things happened, I remember that in 5 years I have seen 7-8 times other discs

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after a call for an appointment, also small, bright, in the night, in the sky,

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one was moving in a particular way doing like a theatre, an exhibition, I saw
many things...phenomena...etc.

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- Did you have a direct encounter with one of the W56?

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No, I didn’t meet any, also because it was a dangerous time, they couldn’t get out of their bases

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First fo all they were about 3 meters tall, so it wasn’t so easy, well some were smaller, but it wasn’t safe to go out

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Only once they showed up on a hill, about 300 meters from the house of Bruno in Pescara,

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but I wasn’t there - in the group we were initially about 10-15 people. There was a judge, an economist...a lawyer...

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and they saw them on that hill, saying hello.

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Bruno told once that on that hill that summer would happen something, and indeed it happened, they were there.

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They took pictures of them, there were some sea pines, and they were leaning to this pines and were saying hello.

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I arrived just after that, and we went afterwards there to take measures and we measured that he was 4 meters tall.

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They took pictures of them and we all went to the photographer to develop the roll of film. No image!

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Once there was also my wife, we were at Bruno’s home, there was my little radio and we were 10-12 people

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and we were sitting randomly, and Sigir started to talk from the radio, he said hello to everyone

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following the order of our position, he could probably see us.

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- How was he speaking, using a good Italian?

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Yes, good Italian, the Italian was perfect for all members, but Sigir, when he was greeting

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He was saying “saluto  tutti” (greetings to everyone) using an Abruzzo slang, and once I asked to Bruno:

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"Why does he say “saluto  tutti” while the correct form is “saluto tutti” ?

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And in that moment from the radio the voice of Sigir came immediately back and said : “Gaspare! Saluto  tutti!”.

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He wanted to make it clear that he greeted this way, because also Bruno was greeting this way.

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- They were imitating the dialect?

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Yes, they were imitating the dialect, and sometimes Dimpietro said “Gaspare, change your thoughts!" - because i was thinking something wrong...

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- Wich of the W56 was more likeable? At least according to their voices.

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Sigir had a powerful voice, I liked Gallarate.

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- Why?

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Because first he was one of the youngest. Obviously we called him Gallarate [it's the name of a little town]. We choosed this name

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because the first time that he arrived on Earth he saw Gallarate and he said: “How beautiful is Gallarate!”

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What's nice in that city? But he liked it, so we called him with this name. And one day there was the transmission

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of a radio quiz between two towns, Gallarate and Frosinone, and Gallarate was rooting (supporting) for Gallarate!

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And we laughed and I liked him because he was a little different from the others,

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he was more similar to us. But I liked them all.

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Dimpietro did blame me twice, he was sweet but he was also very straight.

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- Why did he blame you?

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Because I was thinking about something that shouldn’t be thought, I was thinking about

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nervous things.

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At the beginning, humans are doubtful, doubt is part of an intelligent mind, otherwise we would be all dupes.

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You can have strong doubts that can stimulate you or you can have light doubts, that are only worries

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but then, in the long term, from Their voices and from Their vibration, you become trustful.

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After in all, the word “trust” exists, you can find it on the dictionary, so we should use it.

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At a certain point you have to trust someone. With doubt you can always question everything, endlessly,

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but trust came spontaneously. They make you feel it, it’s like when you fell in love with your wife,

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it was enough her word of love and you trusted her, you didn’t put her through a lie detector.

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You feel it. If we don’t feel trust, it’s our fault. You need more trust than faith, you could leave out faith,

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but trust is more important. Faith is too high, trust you can give it to a friend. Friendship is important

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you can also not believe in God, but be “love”. I know some atheists that are wonderful people.

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Trust is for me the most important thing.For me.

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I think that the differences were caused by different ideologies, Bruno once tried to explain this thing,

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there are things that we don’t know about them (life values, laws, ethic, technology, science)

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we can not understand their different intentions.

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To give me an example, Bruno once said: “imagine a solar system that is disharmonic,

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that disturbs that side of the galaxy, well some civilisations, let’s say the CTR [the W56 enemies]

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with their technology they can cancel it, destroy it and therefore improve the harmony of that side of the Galaxy.

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The W56, would do different, in their ideology they think that if nature has created this solar system

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one can try to reduce the damage respecting the nature of things.”

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Of course the CTR would destroy the planet only if it was not inhabited, but they would interfere

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anyway on the nature of cosmos, while W56 would respect it, even if there it disturbs.

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This is a principle that it develops also on ethics, on values. This doesn’t mean that CTR are bad

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If they didn’t destroy their own civilisation it means that they love each others, they love their wives, their pets.

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But they have ideology that are colder and straight, science could be their God. While for the W56, God is Love.

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- Why do you think that beings, that are so evolved, needed your logistic help?

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Yes, they needed water, for us it was a minor effort, Bruno went to a friend who had barrels,

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he borrowed them, we filled them with tap water, we hired a van and we drove up there.

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Sometimes they would ask other material, rarely 4 times in 5 years, it happened that you were asked

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for some material, and Bruno would organize it.

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But I have a personal idea about this, I could be also wrong, but this is my idea: since they needed

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Uredda (love energy) to survive, they needed a certain quantity of it (if we want to put it in market words)

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but we didn’t give it to them, because, we were not in harmony between us.

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Lets’ say, I don’t give you love, I don’t give you friendship and you jump in a river

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and, even if youcan swim, you shout “help! help!” to see if I give you my hand.

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So I have to help you and I give you my hand and so you receive my “rate of uredda” (love energy) that you need.

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So this demands of material could be a game to indirectly ask for uredda, but this is my personal idea

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I told it to Breccia and he listened to me and said “it could really be like this”.

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- Do you think that They have definitely left the Earth, after 1978, after their defeat?

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Well, I left in 1965, so I didn’t live the last events, I hope not, I think not,

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because if they have this duty in regard to planet earth, they shouldn’t be stopped by the failure of 10 rundown people.

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I think, I hope that they are still around. They certainly are still around, but we as a group, on the uredda (love energy) aspect, we have failed.

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We are not here doing the heroes, grying “Victory, Victory”!

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No, no, we failed, which is worse.

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- What did the W56 give you spiritually speaking? How did they change your vision about life?

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They made me understand that a better world is not utopia, because They exist.

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We are what we are, we are getting worse. While knowing that They exist and that They live on a wonderful way,

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That They are wonderful, you can realise that it is not an utopia,

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so it is something to live in a cosmos where there are goals that we could access.

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Sometimes I was asking about God, about big questions...Once they answered me:

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“Look Gaspare, think that we are here like a military party, not like missionary”.

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We then understood, me and my wife, that we were asking things to which they could not answer,

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because we would have understood them on our own, through our spiritual evolution, we met Osho

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and this also helped us.

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So I received a lot from their way of speaking, from their presence.

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- Why, according to you, did the W56 project fail, if it failed?

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Well, WE failed. Because of that Uredda (love energy) they called in this way, it was an energy,

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like the one when there is a negative pole and a positive pole, quanta and tachions, that uredda was the energy of love.

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A love that we should have shared between us in the group and toward them.

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Toward them it was easy, between the group…we are what we are. And after 5 years it was broken.

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So this uredda, that they collected it in their instruments in the bases, defence devices or others, I don’t know..

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and when they didn’t receive this “fuel” (lets call it like this) the thing ended.

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They had to go,but I think, and it seems that, they knew it very well

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but they had to make this experience.