WEBVTT 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:48.544 - I would like to have a say. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:48.544 --> 00:00:50.947 My opinion is close to the one of Alexandre. 00:00:50.947 --> 00:00:54.154 It's true that a few of us are starting to look into 00:00:54.154 --> 00:00:58.714 democracy and what you've been saying. It's also true that most people, 00:00:58.714 --> 00:01:01.154 90%, don't care at all about it. 00:01:01.154 --> 00:01:05.234 Would a solution be that all become citizens or 00:01:05.234 --> 00:01:10.554 that we make a distinction between citizens and civilians? 00:01:10.554 --> 00:01:16.834 To be a citizen, that implies duties against which 00:01:16.834 --> 00:01:22.034 we receive rights. At the same time, being a citizen as you have exposed 00:01:22.034 --> 00:01:26.874 requires to be volunteer, so you have to take the first step. 00:01:26.874 --> 00:01:29.914 I think that we should have a distinction between citizens and civilians, 00:01:29.914 --> 00:01:32.634 but with a fundemental principle: 00:01:32.634 --> 00:01:36.714 all civilian who wishes to do so can become a citizen. 00:01:36.714 --> 00:01:41.354 This principle could never be revoked by anyone, 00:01:41.354 --> 00:01:45.554 law or religion, it's a fundemental principle. 00:01:45.554 --> 00:01:49.874 And there you could have 10% of citizens and 90% of civilians or 00:01:49.874 --> 00:01:54.554 90% of citizens and 10% of civilians. In my opinion, we need this distinction. 00:01:54.554 --> 00:01:56.249 - That's actually very attractive. 00:01:56.249 --> 00:01:59.747 - I would even go as far as to say that this distinction is useful because civilians, 00:01:59.747 --> 00:02:02.707 other people, consumers, to become citizens. 00:02:02.707 --> 00:02:06.347 If we make a distinction, desire will rise from it. 00:02:06.347 --> 00:02:09.387 - Absolutely. I completly agree. I actually find it... 00:02:09.387 --> 00:02:12.421 ...sorry, I keep on using the word, but I find it very... 00:02:12.421 --> 00:02:15.765 - ...sexy! 00:02:15.765 --> 00:02:18.791 - Absolutly. And still, it's not politically correct. 00:02:18.791 --> 00:02:21.831 It looks really a lot like active/passive citizens. 00:02:21.831 --> 00:02:25.351 It looks like censitary suffrage. I'm sure that it's not what you have imagined, 00:02:25.351 --> 00:02:27.431 that is that the criteria isn't money. 00:02:27.431 --> 00:02:31.511 - No, but you would have a Rule of Law, civilians would submit 00:02:31.511 --> 00:02:36.056 to the same rules as citizens. [...] 00:02:36.056 --> 00:02:38.357 - You should actually take a microphone so that you can be recorded 00:02:38.357 --> 00:02:39.597 because it's very interesting. 00:02:39.597 --> 00:02:41.797 - Since civilians don't have weapons 00:02:41.797 --> 00:02:45.237 and also bare no responsibility, they would not have the right to decide, 00:02:45.237 --> 00:02:46.917 by that I mean they will not obtain power. 00:02:46.917 --> 00:02:48.065 That's the only distinction. 00:02:48.065 --> 00:02:51.778 - No weapons, obligation to obey, protective rights to be sure 00:02:51.778 --> 00:02:53.591 that the majority won't squash them... -Yes, of course. 00:02:53.591 --> 00:02:56.811 - ...and the possibility - and that's real important - to step into the side 00:02:56.811 --> 00:03:01.982 of citizens, to the only condition of being ready for it. 00:03:01.982 --> 00:03:05.792 Maybe to have learned for it, a permit? So you have learned a minimum about the institutions 00:03:05.792 --> 00:03:10.204 and democratic values. Then you'd be capable. 00:03:10.204 --> 00:03:14.765 If it is really open entry and that there isn't 00:03:14.765 --> 00:03:17.566 a huge "entry process" that would be insurmountable. If someone who tries sincerly, 00:03:17.566 --> 00:03:21.267 or even modestly, manages to become a citizen, then I find it attractive. 00:03:21.267 --> 00:03:25.600 It let's people who don't want to stay at peace. It would be a regime where we have... 00:03:25.600 --> 00:03:30.446 Tonight, we're moving forward. This is something important. 00:03:30.446 --> 00:03:35.020 This would let us have a system where the 90% who don't care 00:03:35.020 --> 00:03:39.980 would have a protected spot against injustice. 00:03:39.980 --> 00:03:42.100 Those people are in fact people who don't want to have a chief. 00:03:42.100 --> 00:03:45.500 Excuse me, it's citizens who don't want to have a leader. 00:03:45.500 --> 00:03:47.620 Civilians (in your words) are people who want a good leader. 00:03:47.620 --> 00:03:51.180 They want a good master. They don't want to be free. 00:03:51.180 --> 00:03:55.860 There are many people like that. And with those, how do you build a society ? 00:03:55.860 --> 00:03:58.820 Probably with two parallel speeds. But one gear can switch to the next one easily. 00:03:58.820 --> 00:04:01.820 That doesn't seem shocking to me, nor unfair. 00:04:01.820 --> 00:04:05.140 When you feel like you want to take part in politics, you switch sides 00:04:05.140 --> 00:04:08.860 and become a citizen with rights and duties. 00:04:08.860 --> 00:04:13.958 - I'll just tag along that idea 00:04:13.958 --> 00:04:16.815 - Some amongst you never speak up so maybe we can... 00:04:16.815 --> 00:04:19.958 Actually, maybe I should stop talking. 00:04:19.958 --> 00:04:28.560 - 90% or 20% or even 50%, will the people in power, the 1%, let us get that far? 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:31.758 - Ah very good point and it's sure they'll try everything to stop us. 00:04:31.758 --> 00:04:33.198 That is a real objection. 00:04:33.198 --> 00:04:34.278 - Our actual system, in short. 00:04:34.278 --> 00:04:36.758 - Yes and it's an objection, but maybe we should keep it for last. 00:04:36.758 --> 00:04:41.518 My way of bringing forward a solution, 00:04:41.518 --> 00:04:45.998 or what seems to me as a possibility, is the viral way. I'll just point it out shortly 00:04:45.998 --> 00:04:49.706 so you see where I am getting at. 00:04:49.706 --> 00:04:52.118 I don't beleive that we'll rise up today. 00:04:52.118 --> 00:04:55.170 Today, we'll just loose. We aren't enough to fight it, they are just too strong 00:04:55.170 --> 00:04:57.878 and with that in balance, we wouldn't win. What I am saying is 00:04:57.878 --> 00:05:03.085 that if we manage to have a simple idea, a powerful idea, and that it takes all 00:05:03.085 --> 00:05:06.522 the injustices at their root. All or almost all, Alain. 00:05:06.522 --> 00:05:10.283 You'll still have some, I know. But still, imagine that we solve many 00:05:10.283 --> 00:05:14.649 by making ourselves powerful enough to resist to injustice. 00:05:14.649 --> 00:05:18.552 Imagine that we manage to pass on the message amongst our mists. 00:05:18.552 --> 00:05:22.328 Each time that we gather, we are fourty, fifty, sixty, a hundred. 00:05:22.328 --> 00:05:25.989 Even if we are twenty! Imagine even if we are ten! 00:05:25.989 --> 00:05:29.909 Imagine that you alone manage a factor 10 each time that you are busy 00:05:29.909 --> 00:05:34.429 spreading the word to other "white blood cells". You convince them, 00:05:34.429 --> 00:05:36.989 and not in one go, you'll have to come at it again, see them twice or thrice. 00:05:36.989 --> 00:05:40.971 You work on it because there is a desintoxication period. 00:05:40.971 --> 00:05:45.423 We've been trained a lifetime to beleive the opposite of democracy. 00:05:45.423 --> 00:05:50.303 And what we are discovering on our own, you won't convince people in one night. 00:05:50.303 --> 00:05:55.343 You'll have to discuss, come back, find elements so that the debate picks up flavour, 00:05:55.343 --> 00:05:59.451 that people want it. People from whom we received critisim, 00:05:59.451 --> 00:06:04.652 they must want to come back for more. Find the way to touch them. Let's imagine you have a factor ten. 00:06:04.652 --> 00:06:09.303 It will become exponential. And an exponential grows very fast. 00:06:09.303 --> 00:06:15.435 A viral idea is made possible with the help of Internet 00:06:15.435 --> 00:06:22.240 - and that's as long as we still have it so we must hurry - it could work. 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:26.682 If we are thousands to want this - which isn't the case now - 00:06:26.682 --> 00:06:31.605 but if we are thousands to want this, we'll have it without bloodshed. 00:06:31.605 --> 00:06:34.762 The people who took power after the Revolution, they manage when we're tens of thousands... 00:06:34.762 --> 00:06:36.917 It's insane: that's a lot of people, tens of thousands. 00:06:36.917 --> 00:06:39.794 You should see pictures of the Commune of Paris. 00:06:39.794 --> 00:06:42.473 The people of Paris must have thought: "We're invulnerable". 00:06:42.473 --> 00:06:47.875 The streets were full of people fraternizing. They feared no one anymore. 00:06:47.875 --> 00:06:51.543 - They were more than 500 000 in Greece (nowadays), and that didn't change anything. 00:06:51.543 --> 00:06:53.633 - And it didn't change much. So I'm talking about millions. 00:06:53.633 --> 00:06:56.993 We need to be many. And that's not all. They were 500 000 in Greece 00:06:56.993 --> 00:07:04.710 but they were scattered! At the moment, we need a bond. 00:07:04.710 --> 00:07:09.950 We're missing a common ideal. A central idea that we know 00:07:09.950 --> 00:07:12.350 is common and we know we shouldn't deviate from. 00:07:12.350 --> 00:07:14.350 We can still talk about all the other issues, for sure, 00:07:14.350 --> 00:07:17.070 but there should be that one thing we won't negociate or compromise: NOTE Paragraph 00:07:17.070 --> 00:07:20.082 "We don't want professionals for the Constitutional Assembly." 00:07:20.082 --> 00:07:22.269 We can debate, but this point won't be subject to debate. 00:07:22.269 --> 00:07:27.149 If that is our bond, that would really be something. 00:07:27.149 --> 00:07:30.664 When you read Marx, you find many interesting ideas 00:07:30.664 --> 00:07:34.360 but there, in a sens, he completly failed. 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:41.480 He says nothing about the constitutional process. For him, the Constitution is the result. 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.451 That was a consequence of the balance of power. He's right in a way. 00:07:44.451 --> 00:07:48.989 But he's wrong because it is the tool that changes the balance of power. 00:07:48.989 --> 00:07:52.912 Hey! There should be something that should get you thinking 00:07:52.912 --> 00:07:56.152 when banks write the Constitution. 00:07:56.152 --> 00:07:58.592 Why do they write the Constitution? They're less ignorant than we are. 00:07:58.592 --> 00:08:01.552 We say: "It's the result of a balance of power, 00:08:01.552 --> 00:08:04.871 we don't need to take care of it. It will automatically come from a change in the balance of power." 00:08:04.871 --> 00:08:07.890 Banks are less ignorant: they write the European Constitution. 00:08:07.890 --> 00:08:11.373 It was written by them. They understood that it was the core piece to be played. 00:08:11.373 --> 00:08:16.899 The Gendarmes obey to the Constitution. The Army obeys the Constitution. 00:08:16.899 --> 00:08:22.192 Policemen are very "legalistic". They obey the Constitution. 00:08:22.192 --> 00:08:32.214 "Your conference is too long." I hope I'm not boring you all? You guys are great. 00:08:32.214 --> 00:08:38.785 You can write to me on the website if it's getting late and we... 00:08:38.785 --> 00:08:40.985 - The banks... 00:08:40.985 --> 00:08:44.965 - Yes. The bankers write the Constitution. Policemen obey the Constitution. 00:08:44.965 --> 00:08:48.785 If we find the way, not to write a perfect Constitution, 00:08:48.785 --> 00:08:54.305 but a Constitution with our ideas even if it's not perfect. 00:08:54.305 --> 00:08:58.905 That's the core that we need to spread to others. 00:08:58.905 --> 00:09:01.305 We need to convince that it will work because we'll be many. 00:09:01.305 --> 00:09:06.425 I'm sure that since it is a conflict of interest with people 00:09:06.425 --> 00:09:09.305 who want us to be powerless, who write those rules. 00:09:09.305 --> 00:09:13.897 In those rules, you can program our impotency 00:09:13.897 --> 00:09:17.426 or our strength. In the Constitution, you can program either our strength 00:09:17.426 --> 00:09:21.467 or our impotency. If that Constitution is written 00:09:21.467 --> 00:09:24.021 all around the world, during our history, by people who have a personal interest 00:09:24.021 --> 00:09:31.385 in our impotency... then you've found something. Marx for example never spotted it. 00:09:31.385 --> 00:09:34.610 I'm not completly anti-marxiste. It's complementary. 00:09:34.610 --> 00:09:42.466 I honestly beleive that the 99% will have finally the means to resist 00:09:42.466 --> 00:09:48.059 instead of abandoning power, at least that kind of power, 00:09:48.059 --> 00:09:52.973 because we abandoned the great power that defines how we will write the rules; 00:09:52.973 --> 00:09:55.777 and how we will be able to resist instead of being pushed out. 00:09:55.777 --> 00:10:00.606 We must never abandon that power. Even if you don't take part in politics. 00:10:00.606 --> 00:10:03.679 If you are here tonight, you're already taking part in a way. But what we need to say 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:10.173 to those who don't do politics, and you're not concerned in this situation, 00:10:10.173 --> 00:10:13.238 but I receive every day emails from people who landed on the website by sheer luck. 00:10:13.238 --> 00:10:17.185 They saw a conference on Internet - and they didn't do politics before, 00:10:17.185 --> 00:10:20.119 they had renounced - and they write: "I've found something! 00:10:20.119 --> 00:10:27.449 I'm going to start looking at politics again!." This idea of taking the control back 00:10:27.449 --> 00:10:31.759 from the consitutional process, not the complete politics, is appealing. 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.483 If you take control of the constituant by saying: "I'm going to watch out 00:10:35.483 --> 00:10:38.919 that those writing the rules, up there, aren't in a conflict of interest." 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:42.960 You'll have many counter-powers put in place. Control systems 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:46.164 that will make sure that they watch each other and that you, you can watch them. 00:10:46.164 --> 00:10:48.811 You'll have a lot less to fear in the end. 00:10:48.811 --> 00:10:51.783 If you're not interested, you won't need to 00:10:51.783 --> 00:10:59.064 do politics, you'll be more protected because you took care of the start process, 00:10:59.064 --> 00:11:01.496 instead of all the consequences. There's just too many of those to divide us. 00:11:01.496 --> 00:11:04.303 That squatter us. You will have taken care of the root. The only thing 00:11:04.303 --> 00:11:10.924 that should unite us. This fertile ground where all the injustice grow from. 00:11:10.924 --> 00:11:13.543 Our political impotency. And now you're wound up. 00:11:13.543 --> 00:11:15.583 Why is it that we are so powerless in the Constitution? 00:11:15.583 --> 00:11:16.983 Why is there such a bad Constitution? 00:11:16.983 --> 00:11:18.383 Because those who wrote it are in conflict of interest. 00:11:18.383 --> 00:11:19.823 How do we change that ? How can we not have conflict of interest ? 00:11:19.823 --> 00:11:23.677 Here you have climbed to the root of causes. 00:11:23.677 --> 00:11:26.777 I am giving you this image of roots where I find the cause of causes, 00:11:26.777 --> 00:11:33.504 the root that starts it all. The fact that there are politic professionals 00:11:33.504 --> 00:11:37.939 who have an interest in the Constitution. The Constitution, they should fear it. 00:11:37.939 --> 00:11:42.714 They shouldn't be writing it ! That's "Chouardesc". 00:11:42.714 --> 00:11:45.416 - Don't you think that, added to the control of the Constitution, 00:11:45.416 --> 00:11:48.674 we should also take control of "logos" [greek], of the field of words? 00:11:48.674 --> 00:11:51.128 - Of the Constitutional Counsel ? You mean those who apply the Constitution ? 00:11:51.128 --> 00:11:54.611 - No but of ourselves. It's like you said at the beginning 00:11:54.611 --> 00:11:58.280 of the conference: the fact that nowadays, the words have their opposite meaning. 00:11:58.280 --> 00:12:06.686 "Democracy" for example. - Ah yes, that's for sure - We should also reaquire the lexical fields. 00:12:06.686 --> 00:12:09.333 The "Logos". I am under the impression that we are going more and more towards 00:12:09.333 --> 00:12:11.674 a world like George Orwell described with the "Newspeak". 00:12:11.674 --> 00:12:13.714 The terms have completly been hackneyed, transformed. 00:12:13.714 --> 00:12:15.874 They don't mean anything anymore. 00:12:15.874 --> 00:12:20.622 - Of course, of course, of course. - [...] 00:12:20.622 --> 00:12:24.211 - Alright. Let's give ourselves 20 minutes and then there's a small pot luck. 00:12:24.211 --> 00:12:28.528 20 minutes? That's awfully short. 00:12:28.528 --> 00:12:32.506 In Grenoble, at the end of December, we finished at 1:30 AM. 00:12:32.506 --> 00:12:34.550 We had eyes like that. We didn't fall asleep neither! 00:12:34.550 --> 00:12:36.825 We finished at 1:30 AM because we really had to stop. 00:12:36.825 --> 00:12:46.314 - I'll rebound on Boris' idea and go in the same direction: 00:12:46.314 --> 00:12:48.994 we all agree on how it is now. It's not good. 00:12:48.994 --> 00:12:52.234 I start more with the idea that we shouldn't seperate 00:12:52.234 --> 00:12:57.677 but do a fusion of politics, economy and history and make one same job out of it. 00:12:57.677 --> 00:13:01.067 But you'd need that the voters be technical people. 00:13:01.067 --> 00:13:05.479 That is that they only get to vote for the people taking part in the discussions 00:13:05.479 --> 00:13:09.472 and who become technicians. By using this method, the whole debate will change. 00:13:09.472 --> 00:13:11.434 Those who actually will become candidates, 00:13:11.434 --> 00:13:14.514 they won't have a passionate speech like "Get France at work", 00:13:14.514 --> 00:13:17.474 they'll actually have a very technical speech, because they will know 00:13:17.474 --> 00:13:20.990 that their audience, those electing them, are also technical. 00:13:20.990 --> 00:13:24.333 They will have way pro's and con's ant that they won't be fools 00:13:24.333 --> 00:13:28.674 like those who actually don't care and who are completly influenced 00:13:28.674 --> 00:13:31.509 by current marketing technics. 00:13:31.509 --> 00:13:33.279 - That's a good argument, but... 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:38.599 - Anyone can be a technicians 00:13:38.599 --> 00:13:39.687 when they come in. 00:13:39.687 --> 00:13:42.987 - They are trained to become technicians ? - That's it. 00:13:42.987 --> 00:13:48.435 - You've got something there that's attractive and repulsive at the same time. 00:13:48.435 --> 00:13:50.942 It's attractive because it's true 00:13:50.942 --> 00:13:54.704 that technicians will probably be less passionate. 00:13:54.704 --> 00:13:59.116 But finaly, I beleive that's it's a bait. 00:13:59.116 --> 00:14:03.197 Right now, we are in a government of technicians. And it's horrible. 00:14:03.197 --> 00:14:05.682 - I meant the people become technicians. - You're not using the correct wording. 00:14:05.682 --> 00:14:08.268 - People who at least are interested by something. 00:14:08.268 --> 00:14:10.101 - It's actually coming back to Boris' idea, here. 00:14:10.101 --> 00:14:11.261 - It's going in his direction. 00:14:11.261 --> 00:14:13.314 - Yes but it's not necessarily technician. I find that 00:14:13.314 --> 00:14:16.751 the bet the Athenians made that says that political skill doesn't exist, 00:14:16.751 --> 00:14:21.581 that political technic doesn't exist, is a good one. We're all capable to taste chicken 00:14:21.581 --> 00:14:24.061 and say: "It's good, it's bad". And still, we're incapable of 00:14:24.061 --> 00:14:28.583 making it good or bad. It's an image of Alain in "Words about the powers" 00:14:28.583 --> 00:14:32.019 It must be the best book I have ever read - and I've read many - 00:14:32.019 --> 00:14:35.177 but I honestly beleive it to be the best in the world. I'm just slightly exagerating 00:14:35.177 --> 00:14:37.221 because I'd probably put two or three up there, 00:14:37.221 --> 00:14:40.750 but the "Words about the powers" is just a marvel, a real marvel. 00:14:40.750 --> 00:14:45.208 He talked about the objection about skill. He said: 00:14:45.208 --> 00:14:47.902 " It's not reasonable to get tricked by..." 00:14:47.902 --> 00:14:51.714 He didn't use those exact words but it's not normal that parlementarians 00:14:51.714 --> 00:14:55.611 should trick the voter into beleiving that they are skilled and we aren't. 00:14:55.611 --> 00:15:01.994 He takes the image of the politics' consumer that are the citizens 00:15:01.994 --> 00:15:05.549 who have delegated to the parlementarians in exchange of services, 00:15:05.549 --> 00:15:09.496 and who say: "I am well capable of knowing that what you have now given me isn't good, 00:15:09.496 --> 00:15:12.474 and that you need to be punished even if I am not technician. I'll just say 00:15:12.474 --> 00:15:18.014 you have not achieved your result." There is another image when he talks about 00:15:18.014 --> 00:15:23.593 knowing who is the master of the ship. He says: "Yes, maybe that we need 00:15:23.593 --> 00:15:27.119 technicians at the parlement who are the ships' captain, 00:15:27.119 --> 00:15:31.513 who know how to navigate the ship, be we are the ships' owner." 00:15:31.513 --> 00:15:33.273 That is we say where the ship has to go. 00:15:33.273 --> 00:15:36.361 Captains don't decide of the destination of their ship, owners do. Images let you understand. 00:15:36.361 --> 00:15:39.519 In my eyes, the technician, it's just like Keynes said: "Economists, 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:42.193 fly to the back seat! They're not going to have the steering wheel!" 00:15:42.193 --> 00:15:45.602 Technicians should be the same. They shouldn't hold the steering wheel. 00:15:45.602 --> 00:15:49.457 Otherwise we'll end up with Big Brother. But at the same time, I understand your point. 00:15:49.457 --> 00:15:52.713 - You're mixing economist, banker, and financial people. 00:15:52.713 --> 00:15:53.753 - It's all the same to me. 00:15:53.753 --> 00:15:56.833 - No, an economist is someone who has worked, who has theories, 00:15:56.833 --> 00:16:00.695 with books of thousands of pages, and who has as goal 00:16:00.695 --> 00:16:05.233 to get the folk richer, with social justice. Economists 00:16:05.233 --> 00:16:08.915 work towards that. It's nothing to do with financial people and bankers 00:16:08.915 --> 00:16:10.313 who try to scratch every penny off our backs. 00:16:10.313 --> 00:16:13.188 - The immense majority of economists are payed off by finance people 00:16:13.188 --> 00:16:20.686 and by sales people who try to legitimiate the domination by the rich. 00:16:20.686 --> 00:16:23.236 You have exceptions, but globally, economists are... 00:16:23.236 --> 00:16:26.347 - I think that the first thing we should do, is to try and make people realise 00:16:26.347 --> 00:16:32.199 that they are in pure political consumption nowadays. 00:16:32.199 --> 00:16:35.310 They should see that there is another way to see politics. That would already be a step. 00:16:35.310 --> 00:16:40.790 To make them realise that we can act at our own level. 00:16:40.790 --> 00:16:45.295 - Yes, but you must hear Alexander as well because I've also lived through it. 00:16:45.295 --> 00:16:48.787 Many times. There are many people, 00:16:48.787 --> 00:16:51.193 when you come and talk politics, who say: "Wait a second, you've just talked about politics here. 00:16:51.193 --> 00:16:54.351 I've listened to you because we're friends. But don't 00:16:54.351 --> 00:16:57.137 do this to me a second time, otherwise I'll just never come again." 00:16:57.137 --> 00:17:01.410 They just don't want to hear about it at all. They want to hear about soccer, 00:17:01.410 --> 00:17:03.871 television and so on. And still, they vote. So Boris' idea is a very good one. 00:17:03.871 --> 00:17:06.379 - They've done everything so that it is that way. 00:17:06.379 --> 00:17:09.165 - Watch out, watch out! No, please, watch out. 00:17:09.165 --> 00:17:13.075 In what Boris has said, there is something very important. 00:17:13.075 --> 00:17:16.612 Actually a couple of things. That is that civilians must be protected. 00:17:16.612 --> 00:17:19.398 What we called "civilians" anyhow. I like the word, I had never used it like that. 00:17:19.398 --> 00:17:22.045 Why not ? But you could use "electing citizen". 00:17:22.045 --> 00:17:24.506 That is civilians who are voters. 00:17:24.506 --> 00:17:26.689 - Why do you need to make a distinction? 00:17:26.689 --> 00:17:28.640 - You have to. People aren't the same. 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:32.423 - Are we equal as human beings? 00:17:32.423 --> 00:17:35.067 - What do you mean? Please try to develop 00:17:35.067 --> 00:17:36.228 your thought. What do you mean by that? 00:17:36.228 --> 00:17:41.197 - We aren't equal. - We aren't equal in the will that we put into things. 00:17:41.197 --> 00:17:46.104 - If you have civilians on one side and citizens on the other, you have no equality. 00:17:46.104 --> 00:17:47.517 - What is your name? 00:17:47.517 --> 00:17:48.864 - Monique. 00:17:48.864 --> 00:17:54.820 - Monique, can we not say that we are all equals 00:17:54.820 --> 00:17:58.849 in the sens that we all have the right to become citizen whenever we want ? 00:17:58.849 --> 00:18:04.514 Monique, this isn't a twist and twirl. It's not a political lie 00:18:04.514 --> 00:18:08.293 that hides a non when it said yes or the opposite. It's just true. 00:18:08.293 --> 00:18:13.030 Is it not a true liberty, a true equality to say: 00:18:13.030 --> 00:18:18.881 " As long as you don't want to, you aren't, and when you wan, you will be. " 00:18:18.881 --> 00:18:22.875 Is that not an equality ? We don't have to all do the same things, Monique. 00:18:22.875 --> 00:18:26.358 - It's like becoming French, you need to choose. That's just wrong to have to choose. 00:18:26.358 --> 00:18:27.426 - Yes, but it's the same. 00:18:27.426 --> 00:18:29.917 - I don't agree with that. 00:18:29.917 --> 00:18:30.909 - Why does it bother you? 00:18:30.909 --> 00:18:32.237 - I find it shocking.. 00:18:32.237 --> 00:18:34.117 - It's not just the French. I think that all human beings in the world say that. 00:18:35.837 --> 00:18:37.736 - Either we're all citizens or we're not. 00:18:37.736 --> 00:18:43.077 - Then go operate on people as a doctor. And the next day, you'll see the result. You can't become 00:18:43.077 --> 00:18:46.188 a doctor overnight. However each of us has equal chances. 00:18:46.188 --> 00:18:48.510 If you want to become a doctor like him, you can. 00:18:48.510 --> 00:18:53.758 - No, Alexandre, that's not the objection. Alexandre 00:18:53.758 --> 00:18:56.405 that not a real objection because in politics, there are no skills. 00:18:56.405 --> 00:19:00.315 You can't compare with a doctor. It's not the correct answer. 00:19:00.315 --> 00:19:02.557 Because it's not a question of skill, it's a question of will. 00:19:02.557 --> 00:19:06.922 The Doctor has a skill. The answer using the image of the doctor 00:19:06.922 --> 00:19:10.220 does not fit to answer Monique. Monique says: 00:19:10.220 --> 00:19:14.353 "Wait a second. We're equal or we aren't equal. If we're equal, 00:19:14.353 --> 00:19:17.279 don't start making political distinctions between people." 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:21.644 And you say: "You have to admit that we aren't equal. 00:19:21.644 --> 00:19:25.220 The doctor has a skill that you must reconize." 00:19:25.220 --> 00:19:29.316 The democractes in Athens, they didn't say 00:19:29.316 --> 00:19:31.721 that you needed to randomnly pick someone to be a doctor. 00:19:31.721 --> 00:19:33.596 - It's not equality of knowledge. 00:19:33.596 --> 00:19:37.016 - What Monique is asking for is political equality, not equality of knowledge. 00:19:37.016 --> 00:19:49.608 But Monique, that's actually very interesting. It's a very interesting and important subject. 00:19:49.608 --> 00:19:54.713 - For me, equality isn't equality of chances or equality of will. 00:19:54.713 --> 00:19:58.411 We aren't all equal in regards to the will 00:19:58.411 --> 00:20:01.826 that we can have towards an object. You need to want it. 00:20:05.975 --> 00:20:09.970 - We are all equal, we are all... 00:20:09.970 --> 00:20:12.506 - Monique 00:20:12.506 --> 00:20:14.343 - You shouldn't have to impose equality, simply. 00:20:14.343 --> 00:20:19.616 - Monique, what Boris is saying isn't a political inequality. 00:20:19.616 --> 00:20:23.778 It's not saying politically, we're not equal. He say that there is a political equality 00:20:23.778 --> 00:20:25.716 but a inequality of will. 00:20:25.716 --> 00:20:34.119 - I'm not skilled! I've heard about you three weeks ago, 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:38.992 I haven't graduated highschool, I'm not skilled. I paint buildings. I don't know anything. 00:20:38.992 --> 00:20:45.202 I know nothing. What I want to say is: Boris, you have people like me 00:20:45.202 --> 00:20:47.509 who aren't skilled. We are several like this. 00:20:47.509 --> 00:20:49.499 - But you are skilled because you are here. 00:20:49.499 --> 00:20:54.103 - No, I am not skilled. I didn't want to bother with politics. I'm in the 99%. 00:20:54.103 --> 00:20:55.510 - And yet you are here. You're here. 00:20:55.510 --> 00:20:58.219 - I'm happy because it started to interest me. There is something 00:20:58.219 --> 00:21:04.296 that spoke to me. - Because you want it. - I am motivated. 00:21:04.296 --> 00:21:06.736 - Because you are here, your vote counts more than that of someone who isn't here. 00:21:06.736 --> 00:21:08.636 That's all. That's what we're trying to say. 00:21:08.636 --> 00:21:12.476 - That's why it's very important not to talk about skill, Alexandre. 00:21:12.476 --> 00:21:15.622 - I am not against it. What I mean is that I think there is a problem. 00:21:15.622 --> 00:21:16.314 - A problem of wording. 00:21:26.157 --> 00:21:28.217 - You say that you've followed what he's been doing for 6 years. I have been for 3 weeks. 00:21:28.217 --> 00:21:31.632 - I have wrongly chosen my words. But I honestly think that someone like you 00:21:31.632 --> 00:21:34.529 is more apt to vote than someone who never came at all. 00:21:34.529 --> 00:21:36.557 - Because she wants it. Because she wants it. 00:21:36.557 --> 00:21:40.264 But it's true, Monique. You see how it holds together? 00:21:40.264 --> 00:21:41.513 - What is bothering you, Monique? 00:21:41.513 --> 00:21:43.695 - For me, it's not unequal. That's why it's getting me angry 00:21:43.695 --> 00:21:46.295 because we say it's unequal. For me, the fact that you are here, 00:21:46.295 --> 00:21:50.723 is the proof that it has nothing to do with social background. It's the will to want it. 00:21:50.723 --> 00:21:54.346 Just to want it is simply enough as criteria. If you don't want it, 00:21:54.346 --> 00:21:57.085 then you should be able to vote because it's a weapon of mass destruction 00:21:57.085 --> 00:22:01.660 to let someone who doesn't care vote. 00:22:01.660 --> 00:22:15.676 - What is bothering you, Monique? - Look, political extremists, they have the will. 00:22:15.676 --> 00:22:25.811 - Why are you talking about extremists? You have the far right, the far left, the center. 00:22:25.811 --> 00:22:28.267 - We're talking about the will to be citizen or not. 00:22:28.267 --> 00:22:33.751 - Yes. 00:22:33.751 --> 00:22:37.821 - They're in the dark. Can someone put a light on? 00:22:37.821 --> 00:22:47.956 - How can you judge the aptitude, 00:22:47.956 --> 00:22:52.183 what is necessary to become a citizen? 00:22:52.183 --> 00:22:59.470 Because we're talking about personal aptitude. 00:22:59.470 --> 00:23:03.909 - We're talking about the will! If they want it, only if they want it. 00:23:03.909 --> 00:23:10.267 - And someone who doesn't have the will. It's a question of education... 00:23:10.267 --> 00:23:15.608 Each of us, how come we are who we are? How do you end up being interested 00:23:15.608 --> 00:23:19.290 and how are you capable of making the distinction between a civilian and a citizen? 00:23:19.290 --> 00:23:23.563 - The idea is to put marketing aside and it's influence on us, 00:23:23.563 --> 00:23:25.984 on the people who don't care. Those people come to vote 00:23:25.984 --> 00:23:29.746 and they are undecided, voting yes or no on a hunch. 00:23:29.746 --> 00:23:32.997 " That one is pretty, I'll vote yes or no. " And in the end, 00:23:32.997 --> 00:23:37.212 he could do a lot more damage than good. But if you are interested... 00:23:37.212 --> 00:23:42.152 - I find that you are making too many jugements. 00:23:42.152 --> 00:23:43.832 - Let her give an anwer. 00:23:50.086 --> 00:23:52.594 - It's a beautiful ping-pong here. But it would be grand 00:23:52.594 --> 00:23:55.519 if you didn't talk simultanously. It's really a great exchange. 00:23:55.519 --> 00:24:00.349 Very interesting. But we should develop a sort of discipline. 00:24:00.349 --> 00:24:03.507 When one is talking, no one else talks. 00:24:03.507 --> 00:24:07.315 Every time, it's very interesting. One questions and then another answers. 00:24:07.315 --> 00:24:09.265 But then the first needs to answer back because it's not finished. 00:24:09.265 --> 00:24:13.166 Monique hasn't finished. She needs to be able to defend her point of view. 00:24:13.166 --> 00:24:15.872 But please don't talk at the same time. 00:24:15.872 --> 00:24:18.693 I can impose my speech because I have a microphone here but 00:24:18.693 --> 00:24:22.953 you guys don't have one. So you need to listen closely to hear. It's important 00:24:22.953 --> 00:24:28.315 that we all stop talking when you are in a ping-pong debate. It's very interesting what you've been saying 00:24:28.315 --> 00:24:31.856 and I'm sure it's just a question of wording. It's actually quite defendable to have the idea 00:24:31.856 --> 00:24:36.500 of multiple regimes. A little bit like when we accept 00:24:36.500 --> 00:24:41.098 that someone doesn't go voting. We give him the right not to vote 00:24:41.098 --> 00:24:45.760 and he uses his power only when he votes. Monique, is that it ? No? 00:24:45.760 --> 00:24:50.628 You don't force them to vote? - Not at all. - Then it's the same here. 00:24:50.628 --> 00:24:55.458 The guy who isn't a citizen, he can become one. 00:24:55.458 --> 00:24:57.873 - Why give a particular name to the guy who doesn't vote? 00:24:57.873 --> 00:25:01.867 - Because there is power for those 00:25:01.867 --> 00:25:07.393 who are citizens and who want it. But you can solve this. 00:25:07.393 --> 00:25:10.319 They are imagining a position / status. In my opinion 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:13.987 when you have a large assembly and people come like in Athens 00:25:13.987 --> 00:25:17.145 depending on what the subject is... you already have the distinction. 00:25:17.145 --> 00:25:18.074 - Yes, exactly. 00:25:18.074 --> 00:25:22.393 - So you don't need a position / status, Boris. You see what I mean ? 00:25:22.393 --> 00:25:26.254 If we vote our laws, that is that we stop accepting 00:25:26.254 --> 00:25:28.988 to be represented. We say: "We don't want representatives anymore, 00:25:28.988 --> 00:25:32.981 we want to vote our laws ourselves." Then, when we assemble, 00:25:32.981 --> 00:25:36.836 neighbourhood by neighbourhood, town by town, we vote directly our laws. 00:25:36.836 --> 00:25:40.876 In that case, we are exactly in the situation you already know. 00:25:40.876 --> 00:25:44.173 What you already accept. People come to vote if they want to, 00:25:44.173 --> 00:25:46.728 and you won't force the others. Come to vote those who want. 00:25:46.728 --> 00:25:49.421 Thos who come are those who want. Those are your citizens. 00:25:49.421 --> 00:25:51.139 You don't need to tag them with a name or not. 00:25:51.139 --> 00:25:53.229 - What you're advising is the final goal. I would like 00:25:53.229 --> 00:25:54.669 that we reach it. 00:25:54.669 --> 00:25:55.458 - And you don't need a special name tag for it. 00:25:55.458 --> 00:25:59.452 - But in the mean time, you need a politic, let us say, of "evangelisation" of the citizens. 00:26:04.468 --> 00:26:06.465 - That's not the right word! - What you're looking for is a lever. 00:26:06.465 --> 00:26:10.087 - Don't take it personnaly, it's just a word. 00:26:10.087 --> 00:26:12.827 - You need a distinction, you need two tags at start to motivate people. 00:26:12.827 --> 00:26:16.821 To make them citizens. You need to motivate civilians to transform them into Citizens. 00:26:16.821 --> 00:26:21.976 - Boris, you do get the feeling that... I understand your aptitude. 00:26:21.976 --> 00:26:24.530 You count on the aristoractic aspect 00:26:24.530 --> 00:26:27.223 but aristocratic in the good sens of the word. 00:26:27.223 --> 00:26:29.034 It's like the legion of honor (NT: french honorary medal). 00:26:29.034 --> 00:26:29.917 - Yes, exactly. 00:26:29.917 --> 00:26:31.589 - a sort of diploma to make people want it. 00:26:31.589 --> 00:26:34.329 To make them want to take part because people are touched by 00:26:34.329 --> 00:26:37.997 medals. Others see that as discrimination. 00:26:37.997 --> 00:26:41.248 They say: "Wait, you have two categories of citizens here." 00:26:41.248 --> 00:26:43.477 You'll have, like they used to say during the French Revolution, 00:26:43.477 --> 00:26:46.821 and it was shameful, you had active citizens, those who voted, 00:26:46.821 --> 00:26:50.531 and passive citizens who weren't worth anything. It's revolting. 00:26:50.531 --> 00:26:53.973 I know that's not what you're thinking of and still, that's what it suggests. 00:26:53.973 --> 00:26:59.638 "It's just too long, your involvment" - that's what the tag, the diploma suggests. 00:26:59.638 --> 00:27:01.496 In my eyes, we don't need it. 00:27:01.496 --> 00:27:04.050 - The will is The thing in the world best shared, 00:27:04.050 --> 00:27:06.279 everyone has will, what ever the social class you belong to, what ever the... 00:27:16.775 --> 00:27:19.097 - It's very interesting but I find that what you are proposing 00:27:19.097 --> 00:27:23.601 but it supposes that the problem is already solved. 00:27:23.601 --> 00:27:27.131 What shall we do if the people have already taken back political power 00:27:27.131 --> 00:27:30.846 and how shall we organise it? I think that what is more interesting, 00:27:30.846 --> 00:27:35.629 and in that case, you can imagine many positive, creative things and so on... 00:27:35.629 --> 00:27:41.408 ...You see what I mean ? 00:27:41.408 --> 00:27:43.431 What I am more interested about is how to get the message through to the people. 00:27:43.431 --> 00:27:46.821 How to "snow ball effect" it all ? How we manage to federate each other 00:27:46.821 --> 00:27:49.283 to be white blood cells and put the tools in place together? 00:27:49.283 --> 00:27:54.855 To work with Internet, with a decentralised organisation. That's what is the core right now. 00:27:54.855 --> 00:27:58.756 And we need to think about the "form". How are we going to present things? 00:27:58.756 --> 00:28:03.075 The critism we receive it not on the core of random draw / common lot. 00:28:03.075 --> 00:28:07.162 It's more on the form. It the random draw 00:28:07.162 --> 00:28:10.598 really that essential thing? Or is it controling our elected representatives? 00:28:10.598 --> 00:28:15.196 And then again, short mandates, non-renewable, 00:28:15.196 --> 00:28:19.840 and sword of Damocles that should stay above them. So if we want a real movement 00:28:19.840 --> 00:28:23.880 where we pass ideas through, do we first talk about the random draw ? 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:29.128 It seems essential in the constitutional process 00:28:29.128 --> 00:28:31.125 but then I think that it's rather on other ideas 00:28:31.125 --> 00:28:33.493 that we should focus that are far more important. 00:28:33.493 --> 00:28:35.955 And since we write "Central process: the random draw / common lot." 00:28:35.955 --> 00:28:38.277 you have to ask yourselves if, in the end, it is not less central 00:28:38.277 --> 00:28:43.942 than other elements. Second point, to finish, 00:28:43.942 --> 00:28:46.868 it's on the root of causes. I don't beleive there is a root to the causes, 00:28:46.868 --> 00:28:49.004 in the sens that the causality isn't linear, cartesian, 00:28:49.004 --> 00:28:52.023 but it is rather complex. There are multiple things 00:28:52.023 --> 00:28:55.367 who are going to co-create reality. So we have many points. 00:28:55.367 --> 00:28:58.153 So: is it the monetary system or is it 00:28:58.153 --> 00:29:04.608 the lack of attention towards who writes the Constitution? Or is it, 00:29:04.608 --> 00:29:08.555 as an example, rarety of goods? Before, when bread was available 00:29:08.555 --> 00:29:12.085 for 100 people, we'll all fight for it. It's mechanical. 00:29:12.085 --> 00:29:15.103 It always worked that way. We have erased rarety 00:29:15.103 --> 00:29:19.515 through technology. Today, we live in a society of abundance. 00:29:19.515 --> 00:29:24.670 of opulence sometimes, and we keep it going. So you have to think 00:29:24.670 --> 00:29:28.014 that our economical system and its' mechanisms and contingencies, 00:29:28.014 --> 00:29:31.032 but more it's mechanisms, are maintained for rarety 00:29:31.032 --> 00:29:36.094 to maintain the monetary system. It's Thorstein Veblen who said, at the beggining of the century, 00:29:36.094 --> 00:29:40.831 an institutionalist economist, who had a global vision of society: 00:29:40.831 --> 00:29:44.361 sociology, economy, politics, right, and so on, 00:29:44.361 --> 00:29:48.912 and he showed that there is a real paradox between the usage value and the merchant value. 00:29:48.912 --> 00:29:54.345 The usage value is what the engineers planned for it's use. The use you have 00:29:54.345 --> 00:29:57.782 for that good or service. The engineers will create the abundance (or try). 00:29:57.782 --> 00:30:01.172 To create systems that will produce more with less and so on. 00:30:01.172 --> 00:30:04.841 And the merchant value is, in fact, the law of offer and demand. 00:30:04.841 --> 00:30:08.277 The more abundant a good, the less it costs. 00:30:08.277 --> 00:30:10.135 The more rare a skill is, the higher its' price. 00:30:10.135 --> 00:30:14.314 I hope that you understand. The more it is abundant 00:30:14.314 --> 00:30:15.940 the less expensive it is and the less profit you can make. 00:30:15.940 --> 00:30:19.841 So you maintain the factories and the machines so they don't produce too much. 00:30:19.841 --> 00:30:24.670 The rarety is maintained by the economical system, by the logic of profit. 00:30:24.670 --> 00:30:31.404 That's also central. So let's come back 00:30:31.404 --> 00:30:33.777 to economory rather than: what will we do 00:30:33.777 --> 00:30:51.411 when the problem is already solved? 00:30:51.411 --> 00:30:53.588 - I'll start with the second, the multifactorial. 00:30:53.588 --> 00:30:57.759 It's true that you have many factors involved and when you are searching the root of causes 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.886 you won't find a unique cause. That's not what we're looking for: we're looking 00:31:02.886 --> 00:31:09.209 to heal a sickness. And the root of causes, it's amongst the very first ones NOTE Paragraph 00:31:09.209 --> 00:31:15.741 -and it's true that you can have more than one- we're looking for at least a determining one. 00:31:15.741 --> 00:31:22.834 One that determines the others. That means, by definition, that if you change it, you change everything 00:31:22.834 --> 00:31:26.105 that runs from it. That's what we're looking for. So maybe you are right: NOTE Paragraph 00:31:26.105 --> 00:31:35.304 maybe we'll find another way that the one I am suggesting which is to change the right of right 00:31:35.304 --> 00:31:39.718 to stop having a injuste right and get out of all the injustices. 00:31:39.718 --> 00:31:45.627 When I say that we have to reestablish our political power, 00:31:45.627 --> 00:31:52.229 I count on chance and multiplicity, the biodiversity of our requirements 00:31:52.229 --> 00:31:57.606 and of our strifes, once we have made ourselves powerful, we will be capable 00:31:57.606 --> 00:32:00.534 of correcting injustices. Or at least a great number of injustices. 00:32:00.534 --> 00:32:03.583 Because we will have solved something that is determining. NOTE Paragraph 00:32:03.583 --> 00:32:06.535 I know that it's not everything 00:32:06.535 --> 00:32:08.327 I know very well that there are many factors. 00:32:08.327 --> 00:32:12.830 Our political prison has been built by the most rich 00:32:12.830 --> 00:32:16.468 because the 1% have started with the help of their wealth NOTE Paragraph 00:32:16.468 --> 00:32:22.044 corrupting political actors now to make sure they become richer than rich. NOTE Paragraph 00:32:22.044 --> 00:32:30.024 It's Bonaparte, and I musn't use curse words, that awful clown of Bonaparte, 00:32:30.024 --> 00:32:31.432 who pushed by the financial people who wanted to build the Bank of France, 00:32:31.432 --> 00:32:34.617 who won all the wars, because he got payed his wars. 00:32:34.617 --> 00:32:39.954 Because they helped him everywhere. Each time he has enemies, they get pushed aside. 00:32:39.954 --> 00:32:41.592 We fabricate his chance! 00:32:41.592 --> 00:32:45.483 Until on day, he sends it back your way and creates the Bank, called "Bank of France" NOTE Paragraph 00:32:45.483 --> 00:32:50.385 but is in reality the beggining of the grand racketeering that put those people NOTE Paragraph 00:32:50.385 --> 00:32:52.929 in control of the power all the time. NOTE Paragraph 00:32:53.806 --> 00:32:56.748 I know that the starting point was wealth. 00:32:58.071 --> 00:33:03.938 But what multiplied by ten their wealth was universal suffrage. NOTE Paragraph 00:33:03.938 --> 00:33:10.052 That's what let them, through parlementarians, to take control of the production of rights. 00:33:11.375 --> 00:33:16.898 If we get that, we'll boost it all. We might not 00:33:16.898 --> 00:33:21.543 get rid of the rich or cupidity, but at least we'll take away the turbo button from the engine. 00:33:21.543 --> 00:33:27.517 By taking away universal suffrage, after 200 years, we prove 00:33:27.517 --> 00:33:30.887 that it hasn't held up to it's promises. By taking away the turbo, by putting instead the random draw with all the counter-powers 00:33:30.887 --> 00:33:38.208 that go with it: we'll partially regain political power. It will help us solve the problems we have. NOTE Paragraph 00:33:38.208 --> 00:33:40.870 I know that it's not a "cure-all", and I am not expecting perfection. 00:33:40.870 --> 00:33:44.143 Actually, I've answered your two points I think. 00:33:44.985 --> 00:33:47.617 Because when you say: "Random draw is not essential, NOTE Paragraph 00:33:50.624 --> 00:33:55.555 nor central, it's controlling the elected representatives that is." The problem is that the control of the elected representatives 00:33:58.309 --> 00:34:02.160 you have to program it in a Constitution. NOTE Paragraph 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:05.120 Frédéric. It's Frédéric right ? - Sebastien - Sebastien, sorry NOTE Paragraph 00:34:05.120 --> 00:34:10.820 Sebastien, to get the control of the elected representatives. You'll have to write it in a Constitution. 00:34:10.820 --> 00:34:13.998 So you say: "The most imporant is the control of the elected representatives." NOTE Paragraph 00:34:13.998 --> 00:34:16.669 That control, I've seen it as well. When I analysed, 00:34:16.669 --> 00:34:20.154 I said: "My political impotency, it comes from the fact that I can't control my elected representatives. 00:34:20.154 --> 00:34:23.409 Why can't I control them ? It's because I have a bad Constitution. 00:34:23.409 --> 00:34:26.834 Why do I have a bad Constitution? Because the elected representatives write it!" 00:34:26.834 --> 00:34:30.680 I understand what you are saying but for me, that's a starting point. 00:34:30.680 --> 00:34:34.303 It's one of the causes. And even better, it's one of the root of the causes. NOTE Paragraph 00:34:34.303 --> 00:34:39.526 If you tell me: "You just need to control your representatives." I'll tell you: "Well yes." But how are you going to do that? 00:34:39.526 --> 00:34:43.711 If you don't solve the problem of who writes the Constitution, you let the representatives 00:34:43.711 --> 00:34:46.381 write the Constitution. You can wait ages that they write the control of the representatives. 00:34:46.381 --> 00:34:48.681 They never will! You see what I am saying? In that logic of multiple factors, 00:34:48.681 --> 00:34:55.719 you have determining factors. It is because the representatives write the Constitution that 00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:59.338 you don't see the control of representatives in the Constitution. Not the other way around! 00:34:59.338 --> 00:35:07.418 - For me, it's because we have rarety that we are obliged to organise ourselves with the market principle. You didn't have enough NOTE Paragraph 00:35:07.418 --> 00:35:10.851 to distribute to everyone. Se we were obliged to enter a model with concurrence and competition. NOTE Paragraph 00:35:11.543 --> 00:35:15.050 - What is the link between market system and who writes the Constitution ? 00:35:15.050 --> 00:35:17.167 - The root of causes of what ? The root of causes of our actual problems? NOTE Paragraph 00:35:17.167 --> 00:35:18.951 - Of our political powerlessness! NOTE Paragraph 00:35:18.951 --> 00:35:20.313 - Alright. 00:35:20.313 --> 00:35:26.694 - Of our political impotency to resist on money, to resist to rarety, to resist on the injust right of a company (on it's employees), 00:35:26.694 --> 00:35:33.615 to resist on... Our political impotency has a powerful cause that, in my opinion, can be solved with the random draw. 00:35:33.615 --> 00:35:39.354 - What he wants to say is that we might need, at a punctual moment, to have a mass of people randomnly chosen to write 00:35:39.354 --> 00:35:46.333 a robust Constitution. - A just one. - Suffisiantly robust that we don't need to randomnly draw afterwards. Maybe that's what he's been trying to say. 00:35:46.333 --> 00:35:51.985 - Absolutly! Absolutly! I agree with that! In my opinion, we'd still need some of it. We're not obliged to have a complete democracy. 00:35:51.985 --> 00:35:59.352 Not at all. I am becoming, progressively, without wanting to, a defender of that kind of regime. NOTE Paragraph 00:35:59.352 --> 00:36:05.217 Because apparently, by explaining it I help make people understand what could help us to get out of this mess. NOTE Paragraph 00:36:05.217 --> 00:36:10.279 Because it is things that have worked, that have been tested, ground, bettered over 200 years. 00:36:10.279 --> 00:36:17.001 We could really use it. But in parallel to these thoughts about pure democracy, 00:36:17.001 --> 00:36:25.477 true democracy, I also have many advanced thoughts, very varied, very documented on how to to improve the representative government. 00:36:25.477 --> 00:36:31.293 We'd keep elected representatives, we'd keep MPs, simply we'd control them a lot better. 00:36:31.293 --> 00:36:37.144 But I still need random draw / common lot for the Constitutional Assembly. 00:36:37.144 --> 00:36:41.516 Unless you find a better idea than the random draw to end up with desinterested Constitutional Assembly. NOTE Paragraph 00:36:45.024 --> 00:36:46.416 - A royal dictatorship. - Why not ? But you need garantees. 00:36:46.416 --> 00:36:47.032 How ? NOTE Paragraph 00:36:49.395 --> 00:36:53.297 - The problem of the Sauvé Report (NT: about conflict of interest in public society), MP's just sat on it. It's what I told you: 00:36:53.297 --> 00:37:00.232 ask representatives to write rules to which they have to submit. On conflict of interests in particular, 00:37:00.232 --> 00:37:01.717 you can see that it doesn't work. NOTE Paragraph 00:37:06.609 --> 00:37:12.807 Our senators don't want to vote the law. The Nationale Assembly doesn't feel thrilled by it. So I'm completly with you on this. 00:37:15.253 --> 00:37:21.285 - So we agree to make it a priority ? Maybe not the only one, 00:37:21.285 --> 00:37:23.200 but a priority it's better when it's alone. 00:37:23.200 --> 00:37:35.791 A priority to solve maybe not all situations, Alain. Alain is gone ? - Yes. - Rats... Well maybe not to solve all problems, 00:37:35.791 --> 00:37:37.859 but to solve a great deal. Can we agree on the idea of a priority that would be... - Changing the system. 00:37:41.752 --> 00:37:46.340 - That is to impose, to put in what we want, 00:37:46.340 --> 00:37:50.909 a Constitutional Assembly without political professionals. NOTE Paragraph 00:37:50.909 --> 00:37:55.500 People who don't want to be in power. We want that in the Constitution, we want people who 00:37:55.500 --> 00:37:59.446 renounce the futur power, first, then that they aren't professionals. NOTE Paragraph 00:38:01.031 --> 00:38:03.369 Or is there something about this that bothers you ? 00:38:03.657 --> 00:38:07.943 - It goes already too far and Venezuela has prooved that even with professionals of politics, 00:38:07.943 --> 00:38:09.407 you can still achieve something a lot better than what we have 00:38:09.407 --> 00:38:12.087 today in France. Even if it isn't real democracy, 00:38:12.087 --> 00:38:17.329 they still have, through professionals who wrote the Constitution, 00:38:17.329 --> 99:59:59.999 they still voted it in. - It's the people. They wrote it.