WEBVTT 00:00:01.367 --> 00:00:03.384 And with pipes I would just go on the roofs 00:00:03.384 --> 00:00:05.740 Somebody would know this, they would hear me 00:00:05.740 --> 00:00:08.500 I was on top of the roof sometimes. 00:00:08.500 --> 00:00:13.833 In my previous occupation, I was installing pipes and containers 00:00:13.833 --> 00:00:16.113 They were wireless containers. 00:00:16.113 --> 00:00:18.797 We were buying them from Taiwan. 00:00:18.797 --> 00:00:20.971 And then we would just give them service - Internet service - 00:00:20.971 --> 00:00:25.017 because there was no WiMax, no ADSL. There was only dialup. 00:00:25.017 --> 00:00:26.775 And the dialup was really bad. 00:00:26.775 --> 00:00:31.850 It wasn't even a connection. You would wait for it to load something, or to do something with it. 00:00:31.850 --> 00:00:36.583 So for about 3 or 4 years I worked in that kind of field of business. 00:00:36.583 --> 00:00:39.973 But then the government came in, and they brought the WiMax, the ADSL, 00:00:39.973 --> 00:00:43.514 and everything else - the communications. And we couldn't cope with that anymore. 00:00:43.514 --> 00:00:47.225 We had just to stop. I couldn't just go on, you know? 00:00:47.225 --> 00:00:50.696 Although, I had five access points in Benghazi city, and I was covering it really well. 00:00:50.696 --> 00:00:54.920 My clients were happy with my service. 00:00:54.958 --> 00:00:56.330 After that, in two thousand and.... 00:01:01.392 --> 00:01:03.982 Since day one. 00:01:03.982 --> 00:01:13.999 I will show you the laptop that I have started with from day one. 00:01:13.999 --> 00:01:17.093 Here - this is the laptop I was talking to CNN from. 00:01:17.093 --> 00:01:19.770 And this is the small cam that I was talking about. 00:01:19.770 --> 00:01:23.313 This small laptop. 00:01:27.221 --> 00:01:32.491 I was standing on a table like this one, for the connection. 00:01:32.506 --> 00:01:37.519 And the mic was plugged in here. It's a small mic; I don't know where it is anymore. 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:39.265 Maybe I've loosed it. 00:01:39.281 --> 00:01:43.215 And was, you know, just talking to him like this. Just like this, you know? 00:01:43.215 --> 00:01:47.793 All this, pushing these buttons, I remember. That was what. 00:01:47.793 --> 00:01:51.260 The video you were asking for, I will give it to you. 00:01:51.260 --> 00:01:56.254 All they could see what my white hood and my face. 00:01:56.254 --> 00:02:00.638 And then, just, you know, started to get bigger and bigger. 00:02:00.638 --> 00:02:07.166 About that, like I told you, we don't deal with videos or Flash videos that much here. 00:02:07.166 --> 00:02:12.835 We rely on the live feed - on what's happening at the moment. Exactly. 00:02:14.958 --> 00:02:17.365 Now we have a room. We have a room full of people. 00:02:17.365 --> 00:02:20.870 There's an admin there - he is gonna be an admin in the live stream. 00:02:20.870 --> 00:02:24.054 He's gonna be adding other videos from other people to the studio. 00:02:24.054 --> 00:02:28.093 Because we don't want a fuss - we don't want chaos in this place. 00:02:28.093 --> 00:02:31.582 Right now, we want it to be calm, we want everybody to be quiet. 00:02:31.582 --> 00:02:34.821 Like you'll see me asking them many times not to answer their phones inside, 00:02:34.821 --> 00:02:37.399 not to talk inside, but they still do. 00:02:37.399 --> 00:02:41.787 So we have moved other people to the other room. They have another two-way system there. 00:02:41.787 --> 00:02:43.711 And they can work from that point right now. 00:02:47.566 --> 00:02:50.079 I hope they can get some videos up today, because they told me it's gonna be really hard 00:02:50.079 --> 00:02:53.466 because they're uploads are really low. 00:02:53.466 --> 00:02:57.756 They have some horrific footage they need to put on the studio. I ask them. 00:02:57.756 --> 00:03:03.832 But they were like, "Mohamed, it's (garbled) and a satellite station." 00:03:03.832 --> 00:03:06.363 It's a very easy idea, I will explain it to you. 00:03:06.394 --> 00:03:12.232 There's the satellites, like the NileSat, or the BD4, or the W6 or Express AM22. 00:03:12.232 --> 00:03:15.199 They are on the orbits in the sky. 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:21.729 And all you have to do is have is the NOC - we call it the NOC, the N-O-C. 00:03:21.729 --> 00:03:25.774 You establish one, and you start providing people with services, 00:03:25.774 --> 00:03:28.841 And these people are called ISPs (Internet Service Providers), like me 00:03:28.841 --> 00:03:32.837 Like me, a client. I'm a client of a company in England, for example. 00:03:32.837 --> 00:03:37.269 I used to be a client of them. This company was stationed in England. 00:03:37.269 --> 00:03:40.483 They have a big station, they have big dishes, they transmit. 00:03:40.483 --> 00:03:44.716 They upload the data from the Internet sources with cables 00:03:44.716 --> 00:03:50.191 to the upstream of the satellite. And then you only have to receive it. 00:03:50.191 --> 00:03:52.091 And you have anything, you have to upload it. 00:03:52.091 --> 00:03:58.562 So they give you services, quoted on a ratio. There's 1-to-1, which is dedicated, 00:03:58.562 --> 00:04:01.561 And there is 1-to-2, 1-to-4, 1-to-8, 1-to-10.... 00:04:01.561 --> 00:04:06.033 Nothing. No, no, no, no. They can't even block the service. 00:04:06.033 --> 00:04:08.361 They're not - they don't have the capability of doing that. 00:04:11.931 --> 00:04:14.932 (laughs) Which they did the first day. 00:04:14.932 --> 00:04:15.771 [What?] 00:04:15.771 --> 00:04:19.671 They grabbed a cable connected to the system, a guy, and they told me they would deal with him 00:04:19.671 --> 00:04:22.020 but I don't know what happened to them. When I was installing the dish, 00:04:22.020 --> 00:04:25.007 a guy came and he actually cut the wires of the dish 00:04:25.007 --> 00:04:28.482 And that is why people started protecting the point. 00:04:29.805 --> 00:04:31.601 I didn't mention this to you before? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:04:31.601 --> 00:04:34.308 Abdullah can tell you - he was with me. 00:04:36.278 --> 00:04:41.464 We were setting the dish and everything, I was just about to go onlne, and I'm waiting 00:04:41.464 --> 00:04:45.057 A guy just came running from the crowd, and he just, you know, grabbed the cable 00:04:45.057 --> 00:04:51.524 and he cut one of them. Connected - these cables which are connected to the - what do you say - 00:04:51.524 --> 00:04:55.291 to the dish, to the heads, to the (???) 00:04:55.291 --> 00:04:57.212 So he has just cut them down. 00:04:57.212 --> 00:04:59.376 And when I went down, I was actually gonna fight wiith him. 00:04:59.376 --> 00:05:02.265 People were like, "No, no, no. Just get back to your -" 00:05:02.265 --> 00:05:04.365 [So where were you, where you could run and...] 00:05:04.365 --> 00:05:07.832 I was as you see me here. I was busy doing other things. 00:05:07.832 --> 00:05:09.973 I was - it was just a glance, you know. 00:05:09.973 --> 00:05:12.622 Because people were actually next to us. 00:05:12.622 --> 00:05:15.591 I mean, it's like, closer than me and you right now. 00:05:15.591 --> 00:05:18.843 They were just next to me, next to the base, trying to figure out what is this. 00:05:18.843 --> 00:05:23.274 They were happy; they thought that we are a TV station trying to, you know, 00:05:23.274 --> 00:05:26.441 cover the media. So they were happy, they were protected. 00:05:26.441 --> 00:05:31.485 But they felt they had to protect us to protect them. 00:05:34.316 --> 00:05:37.083 No, no, on the beach, on the other side of the beach. 00:05:41.498 --> 00:05:46.124 They did - they were on top of this building. I mean, if you can see on the stream 00:05:46.124 --> 00:05:50.790 they were on top of these buildings, which is burnt, but I don't know why they didn't shoot us 00:05:50.790 --> 00:05:55.524 They didn't do anything, I don't know. I don't know. I wouldn't know until more investigations 00:05:55.524 --> 00:05:59.047 will happen, I think we'll know the whole story soon. 00:06:03.309 --> 00:06:07.499 Bad news for the regime? It was the truth about the regime, not bad news. 00:06:07.499 --> 00:06:10.299 It was the truth about what they were doing. 00:06:10.299 --> 00:06:13.832 [Who is Gaddafi for you?] 00:06:13.832 --> 00:06:16.040 Who is Gaddafi? For whom? For me? 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:20.407 [For you, yeah.] 00:06:20.407 --> 00:06:26.273 He is not a person. I don't believe there's any human being can do what he has done 00:06:26.273 --> 00:06:28.173 already to his people. 00:06:28.173 --> 00:06:30.740 I mean, I don't know what are his excuses. 00:06:30.740 --> 00:06:35.082 He was on TV the other day, saying, "My people love me..." 00:06:35.082 --> 00:06:39.115 "if you don't believe they love me, they are here chanting for me, you can see..." 00:06:39.115 --> 00:06:41.415 "A plah plah plah, a plah plah plah..." 00:06:41.415 --> 00:06:45.768 I mean, who would say that? Who would cry like this? He was crying like a little girl. 00:06:45.768 --> 00:06:51.957 I mean it was shameful. He shouldn't have done that. And he's going to go down without any dignity. 00:06:51.957 --> 00:06:53.737 Soon, he's gonna go down without any dignity. 00:06:53.737 --> 00:06:58.745 This, this this - I'm not going to say "this man," because he's not a man. 00:06:58.745 --> 00:07:02.327 I don't what to describe him. They're not going to call him Gaddafi anymore 00:07:02.327 --> 00:07:08.098 because it's insulting them. So they were actually asking us to call him something else. 00:07:08.098 --> 00:07:11.211 So we're gonna call him Gerdaffi. Gerd means "monkey." 00:07:11.211 --> 00:07:14.004 "Daffi," is just, you know, is just the rest of the name. 00:07:14.004 --> 00:07:16.132 [But why? Does Gaddafi mean something?] 00:07:16.132 --> 00:07:20.151 It's a surname, like any other name. What's your surname? 00:07:20.151 --> 00:07:22.782 [OK, so Gaddafi doesn't mean anything like "The Lion?"] 00:07:22.782 --> 00:07:25.266 No, no, no, no, no, no. 00:07:25.266 --> 00:07:28.574 "Lion?" Ha ha. He wishes. 00:07:28.574 --> 00:07:36.448 [So do you know that... wishing it or not, you're part of what we call the Anonymous network] 00:07:36.448 --> 00:07:39.503 [You've heard of the Anonymous network? You know what it is?] 00:07:39.503 --> 00:07:44.329 [The guys that make revolutions...] 00:07:44.329 --> 00:07:47.390 I think I'm not anonymous anymore. 00:07:47.390 --> 00:07:52.619 I mean, after all these interviews, between the last three days and today, 00:07:52.619 --> 00:07:56.382 I think everyone has known what we have done here and who we are 00:07:56.382 --> 00:08:01.553 because we haven't hidden our names since day one, since our first interview with CNN. 00:08:01.553 --> 00:08:07.549 So I gave them my Facebook name, which is FulanWaledFulan. Yeah. 00:08:07.549 --> 00:08:14.565 [And yeah, but I mean, Anonymous, before you were known, now the Anonymous are going out.] 00:08:14.565 --> 00:08:21.306 [But before you were like faster than journalists.] 00:08:21.306 --> 00:08:23.873 Heh, thank you for saying that. 00:08:23.873 --> 00:08:28.573 I don't know why they weren't coming out. I don't know. I can't, I can't know, honestly. 00:08:28.573 --> 00:08:32.482 [So you're not in touch with Anonymous in Egypt or anything?] 00:08:32.482 --> 00:08:38.803 No, I wish I am. There was a star called, a girl, who started, Sarah Piscio, or something. 00:08:38.803 --> 00:08:43.548 She was interested in the first few days, but then, she's never contacted me anymore 00:08:43.548 --> 00:08:50.957 I don't know where she is anymore. 00:08:50.957 --> 00:09:01.323 Yes. 00:09:01.323 --> 00:09:06.229 In front of me, in my laptop. It was a webcam. That's what broadcasted from the first day. 00:09:06.229 --> 00:09:11.798 The connection was really horrible. I was calling them on Skype. 00:09:11.798 --> 00:09:15.537 And then we just started with this, you know, with this LiveStream thing, 00:09:15.537 --> 00:09:21.357 with the help of people in the United States, in Seattle. 00:09:24.834 --> 00:09:25.717 Yes, and that was.... 00:09:29.073 --> 00:09:32.814 I don't - I seriously don't - I haven't checked my Facebook since I don't know how long now. 00:09:32.814 --> 00:09:51.190 Since I've been here, I've had no time to check my Facebook. Neither my main accounts, nothing. 00:09:51.190 --> 00:09:53.293 With the Livestream. 00:09:53.293 --> 00:10:01.523 Yes, directly, with the Livestream.com. 00:10:01.523 --> 00:10:04.230 Myself, in front of the camera, and showing the crowd. 00:10:04.230 --> 00:10:06.865 That's all could have see, I mean, and show. 00:10:06.865 --> 00:10:11.393 [Off camera - Ya Abdallah!" Conversation in Arabic.] 00:10:58.184 --> 00:11:00.277 I'm sorry. 00:11:01.954 --> 00:11:07.031 Do any broadcasting? 00:11:07.031 --> 00:11:10.364 Nope. 00:11:10.364 --> 00:11:17.873 [more in Arabic, off camera] 00:11:17.873 --> 00:11:23.540 Yeah. 00:11:23.540 --> 00:11:30.873 I will show you. I will show you the laptop that I have started with from day one. 00:11:30.873 --> 00:11:35.402 I will show you the laptop that I have started with from day one. 00:11:35.417 --> 00:11:37.017 Actually, it's here. Stay with me. 00:11:41.143 --> 00:11:43.714 Yeah, this is the laptop I was talking to CNN from. 00:11:43.714 --> 00:11:46.647 This is the small cam I was telling you about. This small laptop. 00:11:54.016 --> 00:12:01.398 I was standing on a table like this one, with a connection, and the mic was plugged in here 00:12:01.413 --> 00:12:04.965 You know, you asked me for, I will give it to you. 00:12:04.965 --> 00:12:12.498 All you could see was my white hood and my face. And then, just started, you know, 00:12:12.498 --> 00:12:23.062 started to get bigger and bigger by the help of people from Seattle. Yeah. 00:12:23.062 --> 00:12:30.639 Yeah. 00:12:32.901 --> 00:12:37.781 I, I, I don't know about that, because as I told you, we don't deal with videos 00:12:37.781 --> 00:12:44.839 or Flash movies that much here. We rely on the live feed. On what's happening at the moment. 00:12:44.839 --> 00:12:45.737 Exactly. 00:12:47.583 --> 00:12:51.655 Now we have a room. We have a room full of people. There's an admin there. 00:12:51.655 --> 00:12:55.589 He's gonna be an admin in the livestream. He's gonna be adding other videos 00:12:55.589 --> 00:12:57.125 from other people to the studio. 00:12:57.125 --> 00:13:02.022 Because we don't want a fuss. We don't want a chaos in this place. 00:13:02.022 --> 00:13:12.031 Yes. We couldn't. Still until now we couldn't succeed in publishing it. 00:13:12.031 --> 00:13:24.139 Uh huh. 00:13:24.139 --> 00:13:28.473 Yeah. 00:13:28.473 --> 00:13:35.214 Every day we get, we get, uh, we get more advanced with technology. 00:13:35.214 --> 00:13:40.714 Every day more people volunteer to help. Cameramen, cameras, 00:13:40.714 --> 00:13:45.380 I mean, very high-quality cameras, studios. They are working on a montage of 00:13:45.380 --> 00:13:51.422 directing what's happened and putting it on CDs, bringing them to put them in the DVD player. 00:13:51.422 --> 00:13:57.876 So it's happening on the run; it's happening on the run. Everything's happening day-by-day. 00:13:57.892 --> 00:14:01.256 Actually, some people were talking to me on the Skype. They were the heart. 00:14:01.256 --> 00:14:07.130 It's gonna stay the heart of the demonstrations, the protesting, until Tripoli is freed. 00:14:07.130 --> 00:14:09.497 Our only concern right now is Tripoli. 00:14:13.020 --> 00:14:14.597 Still waiting. 00:14:14.597 --> 00:14:18.305 I mean, Sky News NOC (network operations center) is waiting to call someone from Tripoli 00:14:18.305 --> 00:14:25.939 so once I'm done with you, we'll call Tripoli and put them live for them, and they can hear the news. 00:14:25.939 --> 00:14:29.072 Thank you so much. Thank you. Take care. 00:14:29.072 --> 00:14:32.339 OK, I'm back with you guys. 00:14:32.339 --> 00:14:36.809 I hope you enjoyed the Interview with the CNN today. 00:14:36.809 --> 00:14:41.347 How many has seen it? 00:14:41.347 --> 99:59:59.999 Right now I will need to call Tripoli, wait a second.