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And with pipes I would just go on the roofs

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Somebody would know this, they would hear me

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I was on top of the roof sometimes.

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In my previous occupation, I was installing pipes and containers

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They were wireless containers.

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We were buying them from Taiwan.

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And then we would just give them service - Internet service -

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because there was no WiMax, no ADSL. There was only dialup.

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And the dialup was really bad.

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It wasn't even a connection. You would wait for it to load something, or to do something with it.

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So for about 3 or 4 years I worked in that kind of field of business.

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But then the government came in, and they brought the WiMax, the ADSL,

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and everything else - the communications. And we couldn't cope with that anymore.

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We had just to stop. I couldn't just go on, you know?

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Although, I had five access points in Benghazi city, and I was covering it really well.

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My clients were happy with my service.

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After that, in two thousand and....

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Since day one.

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I will show you the laptop that I have started with from day one.

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Here - this is the laptop I was talking to CNN from.

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And this is the small cam that I was talking about.

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This small laptop.

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I was standing on a table like this one, for the connection.

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And the mic was plugged in here. It's a small mic; I don't know where it is anymore.

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Maybe I've loosed it.

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And was, you know, just talking to him like this. Just like this, you know?

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All this, pushing these buttons, I remember. That was what.

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The video you were asking for, I will give it to you.

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All they could see what my white hood and my face.

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And then, just, you know, started to get bigger and bigger.

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About that, like I told you, we don't deal with videos or Flash videos that much here.

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We rely on the live feed - on what's happening at the moment. Exactly.

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Now we have a room. We have a room full of people.

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There's an admin there - he is gonna be an admin in the live stream.

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He's gonna be adding other videos from other people to the studio.

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Because we don't want a fuss - we don't want chaos in this place.

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Right now, we want it to be calm, we want everybody to be quiet.

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Like you'll see me asking them many times not to answer their phones inside,

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not to talk inside, but they still do.

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So we have moved other people to the other room. They have another two-way system there.

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And they can work from that point right now.

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I hope they can get some videos up today, because they told me it's gonna be really hard

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because they're uploads are really low.

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They have some horrific footage they need to put on the studio. I ask them.

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But they were like, "Mohamed, it's (garbled) and a satellite station."

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It's a very easy idea, I will explain it to you.

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There's the satellites, like the NileSat, or the BD4, or the W6 or Express AM22.

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They are on the orbits in the sky.

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And all you have to do is have is the NOC - we call it the NOC, the N-O-C.

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You establish one, and you start providing people with services,

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And these people are called ISPs (Internet Service Providers), like me

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Like me, a client. I'm a client of a company in England, for example.

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I used to be a client of them. This company was stationed in England.

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They have a big station, they have big dishes, they transmit.

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They upload the data from the Internet sources with cables

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to the upstream of the satellite. And then you only have to receive it.

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And you have anything, you have to upload it.

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So they give you services, quoted on a ratio. There's 1-to-1, which is dedicated,

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And there is 1-to-2, 1-to-4, 1-to-8, 1-to-10....

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Nothing. No, no, no, no. They can't even block the service.

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They're not - they don't have the capability of doing that.

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(laughs) Which they did the first day.

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[What?]

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They grabbed a cable connected to the system, a guy, and they told me they would deal with him

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but I don't know what happened to them. When I was installing the dish,

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a guy came and he actually cut the wires of the dish

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And that is why people started protecting the point.

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I didn't mention this to you before? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Abdullah can tell you - he was with me.

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We were setting the dish and everything, I was just about to go onlne, and I'm waiting

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A guy just came running from the crowd, and he just, you know, grabbed the cable

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and he cut one of them. Connected - these cables which are connected to the - what do you say -

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to the dish, to the heads, to the (???)

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So he has just cut them down.

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And when I went down, I was actually gonna fight wiith him.

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People were like, "No, no, no. Just get back to your -"

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[So where were you, where you could run and...]

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I was as you see me here. I was busy doing other things.

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I was - it was just a glance, you know.

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Because people were actually next to us.

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I mean, it's like, closer than me and you right now.

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They were just next to me, next to the base, trying to figure out what is this.

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They were happy; they thought that we are a TV station trying to, you know,

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cover the media. So they were happy, they were protected.

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But they felt they had to protect us to protect them.

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No, no, on the beach, on the other side of the beach.

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They did - they were on top of this building. I mean, if you can see on the stream

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they were on top of these buildings, which is burnt, but I don't know why they didn't shoot us

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They didn't do anything, I don't know. I don't know. I wouldn't know until more investigations

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will happen, I think we'll know the whole story soon.

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Bad news for the regime? It was the truth about the regime, not bad news.

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It was the truth about what they were doing.

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[Who is Gaddafi for you?]

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Who is Gaddafi? For whom? For me?

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[For you, yeah.]

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He is not a person. I don't believe there's any human being can do what he has done

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already to his people.

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I mean, I don't know what are his excuses.

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He was on TV the other day, saying, "My people love me..."

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"if you don't believe they love me, they are here chanting for me, you can see..."

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"A plah plah plah, a plah plah plah..."

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I mean, who would say that? Who would cry like this? He was crying like a little girl.

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I mean it was shameful. He shouldn't have done that. And he's going to go down without any dignity.

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Soon, he's gonna go down without any dignity.

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This, this this - I'm not going to say "this man," because he's not a man.

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I don't what to describe him. They're not going to call him Gaddafi anymore

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because it's insulting them. So they were actually asking us to call him something else.

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So we're gonna call him Gerdaffi. Gerd means "monkey."

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"Daffi," is just, you know, is just the rest of the name.

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[But why? Does Gaddafi mean something?]

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It's a surname, like any other name. What's your surname?

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[OK, so Gaddafi doesn't mean anything like "The Lion?"]

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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"Lion?" Ha ha. He wishes.

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[So do you know that... wishing it or not, you're part of what we call the Anonymous network]

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[You've heard of the Anonymous network? You know what it is?]

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[The guys that make revolutions...]

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I think I'm not anonymous anymore.

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I mean, after all these interviews, between the last three days and today,

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I think everyone has known what we have done here and who we are

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because we haven't hidden our names since day one, since our first interview with CNN.

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So I gave them my Facebook name, which is FulanWaledFulan. Yeah.

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[And yeah, but I mean, Anonymous, before you were known, now the Anonymous are going out.]

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[But before you were like faster than journalists.]

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Heh, thank you for saying that.

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I don't know why they weren't coming out. I don't know. I can't, I can't know, honestly.

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[So you're not in touch with Anonymous in Egypt or anything?]

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No, I wish I am. There was a star called, a girl, who started, Sarah Piscio, or something.

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She was interested in the first few days, but then, she's never contacted me anymore

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I don't know where she is anymore.

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Yes.

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In front of me, in my laptop. It was a webcam. That's what broadcasted from the first day.

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The connection was really horrible. I was calling them on Skype.

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And then we just started with this, you know, with this LiveStream thing,

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with the help of people in the United States, in Seattle.

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Yes, and that was....

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I don't - I seriously don't - I haven't checked my Facebook since I don't know how long now.

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Since I've been here, I've had no time to check my Facebook. Neither my main accounts, nothing.

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With the Livestream.

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Yes, directly, with the Livestream.com.

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Myself, in front of the camera, and showing the crowd.

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That's all could have see, I mean, and show.

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[Off camera - Ya Abdallah!" Conversation in Arabic.]

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I'm sorry.

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Do any broadcasting?

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Nope.

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[more in Arabic, off camera]

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Yeah.

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I will show you. I will show you the laptop that I have started with from day one.

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I will show you the laptop that I have started with from day one.

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Actually, it's here. Stay with me.

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Yeah, this is the laptop I was talking to CNN from.

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This is the small cam I was telling you about. This small laptop.

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I was standing on a table like this one, with a connection, and the mic was plugged in here

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You know, you asked me for, I will give it to you.

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All you could see was my white hood and my face. And then, just started, you know,

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started to get bigger and bigger by the help of people from Seattle. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I, I, I don't know about that, because as I told you, we don't deal with videos

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or Flash movies that much here. We rely on the live feed. On what's happening at the moment.

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Exactly.

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Now we have a room. We have a room full of people. There's an admin there.

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He's gonna be an admin in the livestream. He's gonna be adding other videos

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from other people to the studio.

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Because we don't want a fuss. We don't want a chaos in this place.

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Yes. We couldn't. Still until now we couldn't succeed in publishing it.

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Uh huh.

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Yeah.

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Every day we get, we get, uh, we get more advanced with technology.

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Every day more people volunteer to help. Cameramen, cameras,

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I mean, very high-quality cameras, studios. They are working on a montage of

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directing what's happened and putting it on CDs, bringing them to put them in the DVD player.

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So it's happening on the run; it's happening on the run. Everything's happening day-by-day.

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Actually, some people were talking to me on the Skype. They were the heart.

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It's gonna stay the heart of the demonstrations, the protesting, until Tripoli is freed.

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Our only concern right now is Tripoli.

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Still waiting.

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I mean, Sky News NOC (network operations center) is waiting to call someone from Tripoli

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so once I'm done with you, we'll call Tripoli and put them live for them, and they can hear the news.

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Thank you so much. Thank you. Take care.

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OK, I'm back with you guys.

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I hope you enjoyed the Interview with the CNN today.

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How many has seen it?

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Right now I will need to call Tripoli, wait a second.