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I'm afraid that I'll forget to tell you, so I'll just tell you now; even if it's not

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the moment, it's alright. It hasn't been long since I'm in politics.

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It's been 5 or 6 years, so I'm the new guy. I see the friends that I've been making in politics.

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All these people that I meet from the left, center or right,

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All these people, they fight for the greater good. They're good people

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who seek the common interest, to best satisfy the common interest. They all fight against social injustice.

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They come from of all (political) sides... for example, some fight for Global Zero (nuclear weapons).

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For them, it's the most important. It's top priority, we're going to die! We have to fight against it.

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So that's what's most important for them. And for them, the guy who fights corruption,

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or the corruption of elected representatives, but who is for nuclear technology, he's the devil!

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It's a bit clumsy but alright. At the same time, others who fight against

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the destruction of schools. It's horrible, school are being destroyed, teachers put aside,

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hospitals are being all over the country, the country side is becoming a (clinical) desert

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Farmers are being ill treated. The country side is literally becoming a desert

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and they are fighting on the subjet. Ok, Great! Others fight for the

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money and the creation of money and consider, they are right, that money creation is

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really important. That is that we have abandonned money creation, we have impoverish ourselves,

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all becomes hard for us because we are becoming poorer. We have put in place a scarity

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that is chocking us. They are fighting on that subjet. They consider it essential. What I would like

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to tell you, is that I look at all this. I take part in the debats, I share them;

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It's not at all contradictory what I am about to say, it's complementary. It's seems to me that all these social struggles

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are solely fighting on "the branches", the consequences.

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Ecological catastrophy, it's not a cause - you know, 'Look for the root of causes'

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The ecological catastrophy, it's only made possible because of our political impotency. I am sure

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that if you ask people around you, even non-political people, they will tell you:

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"We should try to solve this problem. We should try to resist. We are all ready to resist,

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but we have no means to resist, we are politically powerless" And you will see

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that this policital impotency, so this is a cause. So to me it seems smarter to fight

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on this impotency than on the ecological catastrophy, the corruption of our representatives, work injustice

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in the companies, that extravagant "lordly" ownership on the people who work.

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It's a reason to fight, but it's just a consequence

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It's not the cause. The issues on water, and the ownership of water by multinationals,

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it's extravagant, we have to fight against it. But again, it's just consequences. And for all that, it seems to me that the cause... And after that,

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we should climb higher because the cause itself has yet another cause and that he has also another root.

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You have to find the root of causes. If we manage to escalate, if we manage to find

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a common cause, and to find from it the cause that makes it possible,

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and so on. We manage to find something that is central to all these social injustices

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and that is determining, that dertermins. I mean that if it exists, the social injustices are possible,

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and that if it doesn't exist, they will no longer be possible or they will be limited, then we have found

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something of very important because, at the same time, we have found the mean to really solve the problem;

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because you are not on ecology, you are on our political impotency,

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and you've made the link. 
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you are still fighting for ecology. It's not incompatible ; we can fight

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on both fronts. But if now you are fighting against political impotency, because you have managed to realise the link

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you have then realised that if the multinational companies can hog so much

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while we are seeing them doing it. And we protest, and that's all we can do, since we have no political power.

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If you make the link and that you tell yourselves "OK, I'm looking for the root of causes and I'm building up

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against this root." You will realise that the guy who has done the same intellectual work than you: he works like...

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... the two Pinçon-Charlot, he works on corruption... that the lifestyle of the rich

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and the way the rich manage to gather so much political power to

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finally be able to influence the making of laws and how favorably they are voted. So all this work on corruption of

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a groupe of resistants, added to their work - but it's very important to understand that they are fighting

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the consequences - but if they also start to fight against political impotency.

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And then you have the nuclear networks, etc. You will have all the resistants there

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who will say: "But finally, if we had political power, we would be able to resist!"

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Whereas all their lives... I see these old, these old resistants. They are much more valorous than I.

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They have spent their whole lives resisting while I was minding my own business.

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And they went on markets, giving out leaflets. Leaflets ! They had other things to do

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on a Wednesday than go on a market, but every Wednesday they went, giving out leaflets,

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organising meetings. They were fighters and they have that feeling that it's not bringing anything.

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They have the gut feeling that the score of our elected representatives that we want to see up there are becoming lower

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So when they hear me, when I say: "Wait, there's something better we can do here! If instead of fighting

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and splitting up because there are so many branches of social injustice that branch out of

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our political impotency, there are so many different consequences. Each of us

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who puts so much energy forth... We aren't many, ey; the guys who do politics, what's that ?

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It's 1% of the population. 2-3% it's not much. But if we are divided

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because each of us is fighting against consequences that are sincerly serious. And what he thinks serious, him,

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well it won't be what the next guy thinks is seriously worrysome.

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Not only are we just fighting the consequences, meaning that even if we manage to solve

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the problem, we won't have solved all the others. And it'll grow back

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because the root of the problem is still there. You cut the branch but it will carry on growing. So if you take

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the problem by its' root, if we were radical, by taking the issue at its' root, instead of cutting

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the branches, we take care of the root, and we get two birds with one stone. We have found

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the root of causes and we will be rid of all problems ! We even get three with one stone

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because in reality, since we have all made intellectual investigation by telling ourselves:

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"Let's take things logically, let's fight against the root

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like that we will have gotten all problems in one go, and we will have taken care of our political impotency."

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Where is our political impotency programmed ? I will come back to it later on,

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but you see me coming because we have already talked about it a little. With it, thirdly, we

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will be united ! There is a real stake here ! It's just a great idea, I beleive,

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to take the problem at its' root. I know, you're going to say, "Chouard, you're a nice guy,

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but it's your whim ! There ! Him, his whim, it's nuclear weapons. That guy, his wim is industrial corruption

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and you, it's the Constitution. Yes, well alright, maybe, it's true. It's maybe true that it's a whim.

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But it seems to me that it's logical. To me, I completly share the whim, that is of the priority of each;

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I beleive them to be beautiful these priorities. The guy fighting over money creation (debt money),

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he's working hard, clearing the way, he makes us understand what we could put there instead.

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When we'll have reconquered money creation, his work will be really useful.

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By the way, André-Jacques, we always talk about him, he agrees with me. He's actually integrated

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my piece of the puzzle like I have integrated his, and we become stronger. He hasn't become poorer because of it

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by giving me his idea and I haven't become poorer by giving him mine. That's what's great with ideas,

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it's that when we give them, we don't become poorer, we are mutually becoming richer. But what I want to say,

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is by concentrating on the root of causes, by applying the advice of Hippocrates, and by looking for

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the root of causes, all, with each of our actual priorities, by integrating the fact that... finally

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it's true that what stops us from getting rid of

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social injustices, is that we all, execpt our elected representatives and those who buy them off,

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we are politically powerless. Really, it's crucial

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to make social injustice possible and to keep it going on, living on and on.

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It's not because it's been that way for 200 years and even 2500 years,

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it's not because it has been that way for thousand of years that it will always be that way!

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It's a question of conscience. I have the dinstinct impression that we are in prehistorical politics here.

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That we are like children. Alright, maybe not children, at least unconscious, we haven't tought things through,

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but it's not a reason why we won't find a solution ! In my opinion, with the accumulated experience,

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with a Guillemin who explains. You can put things back in order, in the right place.

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And maybe, through modern tools that we didn't have before

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because they didn't have TV, they didn't have Internet.

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Internet is real important ! Internet is a technique, a piece of metal,

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but a piece of metal that gives us something that we have never had in the whole human history.

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Remember... out of all the human evolution... the invention of the pressing machine

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the invention of printing, it enabled the people, as a folk, to read and to discover knowledge

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therefore to progress, to make giant leapls in learning. We learn faster

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because of printing, because we have the power to read, but we could only read

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what other had already written. And others...that was the elite. Elite in the sens,

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with or without quotes, that could be a true elite, good people.

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But we only had the right to read. Because to be able to write, you needed a VIP ticket

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that wasn't for us : for us, the masses. With Internet... it's probably as important

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than printing. In my eyes, it's really plausible. We don't know if they will

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maybe shut Internet down, but with it, we have the People, the normal folk. The 99% with Internet

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get access to writing. And therefore to short-circuit the elite, and eventually.

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eventually the olgiarchic elite. That means to capture power and to use it for their own purpose,

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and for their interest against the common good. And so Internet, in that sens, is a tool

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an extraordinary tool to form ourselves, to self-educate, to educate the people ! And short-circuit

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our elites. By creating our own experts on this, experts on that and by teaching ourselves...

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It's incredible the number of things that has taught me André-Jacques, the work of André-Jacques Holbecq.

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I will show you his book; he has written many. This really good book,

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a good starting page, you'll see... He asked me to do it, it's great,

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I was proud. It's a really great book. A little book

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- easy to read - on the debt. And so André-Jacques

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the work he has done on money has made me move forward so much and without Internet

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I would have never discovered him. ...So where was I ? I was talking about

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Hippocrates... I will take my notes, I made a small thread to follow. It's not a large thread, mind you...

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We should talk about... Well we have to start to set the word "Democracy" back in it's place

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We have to maybe put it correctly in it's set. So I'll start by chopping down... the election

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before talking about Athenian democracy. I will try to talk quickly about Athenian democracy,

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because, in truth, I can last on hour on that, maybe two on Athenian democray, but I shouldn't here.

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What we need, as I said, is that you can tell me what scares you in this.

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I will be able to reassure afterwards. The Election: why ? How come ... ah yes,

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now I have it, I found the thread again... How come that in every Constitution in the World is organised

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the impotency of the People ? Don't think of this as a conspiracy. The impotency of the people is written down

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in these Constitutions, because the people who wrote them - all over the world,

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at all stages of history -, those who have written the Constitution, they were all professionals

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of politics : parlementarians, ministers, judges, people of party, that is

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people who can project themselves in the future and that know that they will soon be in power

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that they are now institutionalising. And that's really important ! I read a lot

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of Aristotle at Castoriadis, all the panel, all that... I don't read all but I read those

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who talk about power, abuse of power, of resistance to abuse of power.

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And in the literature that I have found for now, I haven't found this central idea.

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That's "chouardesc" (NT: that's him). At least, to make something central,

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to make it the back bone, something that will liberate us,

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that I found "chouardesc. I try to find something to support, to lean on some figures.

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There'd be a great man who said it, that would help. But I can't find it.

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At least I have logic on my side. I say that all the Constitutions of the world program

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our political impotency : so they don't write down citizens' initiative referendum

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they don't write down the seperation of powers, they don't program the accounting transparency, short office terms

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non-renewable, don't program respecting blank votes, and so on.

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You can count the principles with two hands, maybe even one hand. There aren't 10 great principles

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that you need, so it's easy to understand. We'll come back to it when we'll talk about

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Democracy, but you just can't find those great protections for people against power, you won't find

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institutionalising power of the people in all those Constitutions, because those who write them

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have a personal interest in the fact that it's Not written in the Constitution. That's my explanation.

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With one thought, an important thought that I need to add, these people

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are not corrupt, they aren't horrid... Well maybe they are horrid

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and corrupt as well, but ... Even good people, an honest parlementarian,

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when he is going to write a Constitution, he is in the situation that we must all know

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We must all know this expression, they are in conflict of interest. That doesn't mean

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that they are rotten/corrupt, not at all! I'm not saying that. Conflict of interest means that, in that specific moment,

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in that precise situation, not elsewhere, there, in that situation, when they are writing

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a Constitution, they have a personal interest that is going to pollute the possibility of justice, to distance themselves

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and their detachment in regards to the common good. A little bit like... and this is an important image...

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for when you'll have to debate outside, if you'll help me

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make this idea viral. We must carry this idea otherwise we won't get anywhere.

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If I'm the only one saying it, it's like...wasting our time. It's interesting, it's amusing,

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but... we won't change anything. But if we start carrying this idea, all of us, we're going to change something.

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It will be like a snow ball, something that can really change everything.

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But you need to all become viruses. Well...not viruses, maybe more like white blood cells

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There are many expressions... and I'm forgetting my thread. What was I saying before ?

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- Conflict of Interest - Conflict of intest, yes, thank you. A judge... you'll understand...

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When you'll have to explain, you could use this image

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that's really expressive : Take a judge, a virtous judge ; I'm not talking about a horrid, or political, or crooked one.

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I'm talking about a good judge. Someone... that you've made sure to make completly independent

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To make sure that he is, you made sure he didn't need money, that he wasn't under any kind of external pressure

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You've made him independent so that he had all possible conditions to be a fair judge

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And he is effectivly a fair judge. More so, he knows shame, he has a sens of what it the common good,

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he makes efforts: there, a good judge. This guy, in his role, and in the planning of the court

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comes across his own child who's in a case. The child can be either a victim or an accused.

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No matter. There, his child is there. Everyone on eath will understand that there is a conflict of interest

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in that specific moment. That means that this judge, he's really good, but just for this case,

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we're going to challenge his authority. That doesn't mean that we'll dishonor him, that doesn't mean he's a crook,

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that he is a bad judge. It doesn't mean that at all. It means that in this case,

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this judge can not give justice. He's a judge and jury at the same time. He is in a conflict of interest. So, for that case,

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we will, you, judge, you very good judge, we will set you aside and place another one. We will put someone else,

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and then you'll take your job as judge again. Do you understand where I am getting at ?

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Conflict of interest doesn't mean corruption. It's a situation that we, as a whole, must know.

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We must be very watchful. Anglo-saxons know better this concept of conflic of interest

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than we, French, do. We, we're almost illiterate, we have no clue what it is ;

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or at least not well enough. And on this debat tonight, it's very Very important.

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So let's come back: when you're about to write... remember, you've understood,

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the people, the powers that write the law to sooth the people

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and to which the people submit themselves, the power that come as a benefit but can be dangerous, like double-edged sword

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It's the same people, they are both beneficial and harmful ; and so we place above them

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a superior text that they must fear ; they must fear the Constitution !

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I am at risk to be punished, to be cast away, I, citizen, will be punished by what is in this text.

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They must fear the Constitution ! It must weaken them, this text.

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Do you understand that those writing the Constitution, even if they are virtuous, sweet, nice

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that they are good people, just when they are about to write that text, if it is them that we place to write the text

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that they must fear as futur men in power... You see the conflict of interest ? And that, I'm the only one defending this position

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It's surprising isn't it ? It seems to me that we should be more.

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I wish I would no longer remain the only one pointing to this conflict and that we become many saying: "Hang on a minute"

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Next time that we do what happened in Tunesia. They didn't say it in Tunesia, they didn't think it through before and they elected a Constitutional Assembly.

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They elected amongst imposed candidates by the parties. Imposed by who ? The political parties.

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They're the same ! Imagine : You have a Constitutional Assembly today.

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Who do you want amongst the candidates ? Who will you have ?

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You'll have the right wing who'll put forward their candidates and the left wing who'll present theirs.

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And the press will go on about it, talking about Dassault, of Lagardère, etc...

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And Bouygues or Bolloré, you'll see the TV channels, who are friends with all those guys

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who'll just keep talking about the candidates of political parties. They'll be elected ! So you'll have professionals

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of politics who are going to write the Constitution that they should fear. And it's like that everywhere

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in the world. - And in Iceland ? - In Iceland too. A little less though. In Iceland,

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there was a random draw between the two previous chambers, but chamber nonetheless. So they were politicians

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that put in place the regime, at least the procedure that happened in Iceland. It started with two chambers

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that were randomnly drawn. The first draw to say : what do we want ? And they said : we'll

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make another random draw chamber who'll say exactly what's in the Constitution and after that

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there will be another chamber that will be elected and who will write the Constitution. And that's what happened.

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So there was a second chamber randomnly drawn who said: "We would like that there be this and that

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in the Constitution" That's not bad ey ? It's not a bad starter but it's not the cure for all.

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It's not what I was talking about earlier on. We could dream of better I'm sure.

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If we imposed a constitutional process that would be correct, it would be a lot better

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than in Iceland, I beleive. Because, in fact, they had the Constitutional Assembly afterwards.

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So it was a free election, better than the elections

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that we are used to. We're used to elections where we don't

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get to choose the set of candidates we have, and so we're left with, excuse me for saying so,

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imposed candidates who have interests contrary to the greater good. That are judge & jury at the same time.

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When it comes to electing Constituant Members, if the parties

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are imposing on us candidates, we'll end up with... 100% of the Constitutional Assembly that will be

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in Conflict of Interest. In Iceland, it didn't quite happen that way,

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because they had a free election. They had a trucker who went candidate, so anyone

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could be representative. But since it was an election, it's more the local leaders that were elected,

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and they're not very revolutionary. They won't just change everything and keep to what they know.

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So they'll just end up probably...Well we'll see, I hope they prove me wrong. It's interesting

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what's going on: The Constitution in Iceland is actually

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interacting with it's people via social neworks.

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They aren't many, they are 370 000 in Iceland, so

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they actually manage to do it and people write to the Members of the Constitutional Assemble to tell tem:

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"Think about this, think about that" So it's quite interactive and it's really interesting what's going on.