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Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.56,0:00:12.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has given me a dignified existence.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.60,0:00:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to depend on my husband.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.28,0:00:23.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But thanks to the basic income,\Nthat changed for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.47,0:00:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I make beautiful clothes\Nand can sell them, then I feel good.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.82,0:00:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I also did something for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.00,0:00:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good evening, welcome to Panorama.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.60,0:00:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Forget everything you thought and think\Nabout work and income,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.36,0:00:56.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tonight we are going to wipe\Nthe blackboard clean,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.15,0:01:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and put another idea on it:\Nthe basic income for everyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.08,0:01:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What if, and we're not joking here,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.40,0:01:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what if everyone in our country\Naged 18 and over received
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.92,0:01:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1500 euros from the government each month?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.56,0:01:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those who want more can still work\Non top of that basic income,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.84,0:01:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those for whom 1500 euros is enough\Ncan do other enjoyable things.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.68,0:01:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, we will scrap all other benefits
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.72,0:01:25.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as income support, pensions,\Nunemployment benefits, etc.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.44,0:01:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone gets 1500s euros a month.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.24,0:01:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unconditionally\Nand until the end of your days.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.68,0:01:34.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Madness, I already hear you think.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.65,0:01:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, you should keep\Nwatching then,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.54,0:01:39.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because then you will see\Nthat the Swiss are going to have
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.31,0:01:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a referendum about that basic income\Nand that it already exists in practice.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.11,0:01:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Among others, in a village in Namibia.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.84,0:01:50.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Reports by\NAlina Kneepkens and Jozef Devillé.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.90,0:02:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our country is at a standstill,\Nwe break world records on traffic congestion,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.24,0:02:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1 in 10 Belgian employees\Nsits at home with a burnout
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.92,0:02:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not a single country\Ncan beat Belgium
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.04,0:02:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at taking antidepressants\Nand sleeping pills.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.72,0:02:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We work ourselves half to death,\Nbut government after government
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.36,0:02:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are asked to put some more effort
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.28,0:02:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we need to work even harder
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.12,0:02:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the government needs to cut spending.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.04,0:02:22.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The government wants at least\Nto meet its budget targets.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.09,0:02:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which has previously resulted in
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.28,0:02:26.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the restructuration of the budget.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.47,0:02:28.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now we must to cut spending before all.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.66,0:02:31.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Flanders has no money and the Federal Government has no money either.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.49,0:02:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The needed effort is already great\Nand it will increase.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.12,0:02:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is also the choice we make.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.20,0:02:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is felt that many people\Ncan no longer keep up
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.68,0:02:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that the middle class\Nis slowly being squeezed dry.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.49,0:02:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is great worry\Namong the Belgian working population.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.00,0:02:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We often hear\Nthat there is no alternative,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.00,0:02:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can't do anything\Nbut cut spending.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.08,0:03:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it turns out that\None big idea for changing how the government provides financial assistance \N
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.07,0:03:04.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may have appeal to some on the left and the right.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.56,0:03:09.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a minimum level of government payments,\Nknown as guaranteed basic income.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.85,0:03:14.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What would the world be like if everyone\Nhad the right to earn an income,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.48,0:03:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if they couldn't find employment?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.28,0:03:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today, a utopia where\Neveryone gets paid?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.48,0:03:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Switzerland may scrap\Nits anti-poverty programs
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.46,0:03:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and replace them with\Nan unconditional basic income.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.00,0:03:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,An unconditional basic income,\Nwhat is that?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.56,0:03:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Exactly what the word says,\Nthat everyone aged 18 or older,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.88,0:03:37.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regardless of gender or current income,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.16,0:03:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,receives a basic income\Nfrom the government,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.04,0:03:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unconditionally, whether you have a job,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.68,0:03:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are studying or remain at home\Nto take care of the kids,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.92,0:03:50.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyone receives the same\Nto meet his basic needs.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.25,0:03:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are allowed to work and earn as much\Nas you want on top of your basic income.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.40,0:03:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Belgium, various people\Nhave been working
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.28,0:04:00.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a basic income since the 80s.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.76,0:04:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, Philippe van Parijs\Nset up a working group
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.72,0:04:07.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with, among others, Guy Standing\Nand Roland Duchâtelet.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.44,0:04:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We still know Duchâtelet from Vivant
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.44,0:04:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but today he is primarily known as the owner\Nof several football teams.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.08,0:04:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Francine Mestrum is one of the rare
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.48,0:04:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but very vocal opponents.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.95,0:04:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Psychiatrist Dirk de Wachter and\NSarah van Liefferinghe of the Pirate Party
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.08,0:04:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see the advantages\Nfor people's well-being.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.76,0:04:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We see how many people are stuck
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.76,0:04:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the rat race of working more,\Nworking harder, working longer,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.16,0:04:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we can consume more\Nand our economy can grow.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.00,0:04:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we feel, and so do a lot of people,\Nthat this model frustrates us,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.60,0:04:45.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it exhausts us and\Nmakes us emotionally empty.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.08,0:04:48.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of people can't handle the work,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.26,0:04:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consider it too burdening,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.53,0:04:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come to me and say:\N"Doctor, help me, I can't go on"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.44,0:05:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and "helping", as a doctor, means\Ndeclaring them "unfit for work".
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.92,0:05:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, in the last ten years\Nthe number of people
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.36,0:05:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who became chronically unfit for work\Nhas risen with 50%,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.51,0:05:11.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to start thinking about that\Non a fundamental level
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.61,0:05:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and basic income\Nis one of those fundamental things
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.36,0:05:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can provide a beginning for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.42,0:05:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The time for basic income is now.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.80,0:05:27.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the reason is that with globalisation,\Nthat took off in the 1980s,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.08,0:05:35.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what has actually been happening is,\Nthe world's labor supply,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.04,0:05:41.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the number of people exposed\Nto a global labor market, has quadrupled.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.70,0:05:46.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what has been happening\Nin the last 30 years
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.01,0:05:49.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a downward pressure\Non our real wages.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.52,0:05:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The British economist Guy Standing
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.56,0:06:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,led the largest experiment\Nwith a basic income ever.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.12,0:06:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In India 20,000 people received\Na real basic income for two years.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.12,0:06:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soon, he'll share with the world\Nthose incredible results.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.72,0:06:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Recently he was a guest in Brussels,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.68,0:06:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on invitation of former EU commissioner
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.80,0:06:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of employment and social affairs,\NLaszlo Andor.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.68,0:06:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.68,0:06:28.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The worst thing would be\Nto go back to the old norm.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.06,0:06:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Professor Standing used to work at\Nthe International Labour Organisation.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.48,0:06:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now he talks in his books
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.20,0:06:37.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the growing underclass\Nin our society
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.16,0:06:40.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what he, with a neologism,\Ncalls the precariat.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.44,0:06:43.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The precariat consists
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.07,0:06:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of millions and millions of people
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.26,0:06:50.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exposed to insecure labor.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.77,0:06:52.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Without knowing where they're going.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.90,0:06:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have no sense\Nof occupational career.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.28,0:07:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a trend in which we've been stuck\Nsince the 80s, with Thatcher and Reagan,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.13,0:07:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and after 30 years of "greed is good"
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.64,0:07:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's time for something else.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.50,0:07:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Other models, now!
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.72,0:07:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Invest in people, not in weapons!\NMichel, U-turn or war!
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.24,0:07:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shut up and work!
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.24,0:07:17.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.25,0:07:19.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No cuts to our future!
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.27,0:07:22.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Harder? Faster? Longer?\NLike Machines?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.72,0:07:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this uncertainly\Nis extremely stressful.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.00,0:07:32.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So people in the precariat\Nare living, mostly,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.61,0:07:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the edge of unsustainable debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.00,0:07:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One accident,\Nand they're out in the streets.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.00,0:07:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,According to the countries,\Nwe are now 2 or 3 times richer
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.36,0:07:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,per capita\Nthan in the golden 60s,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.32,0:07:52.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're still here with an\Nenormous amount of unemployment.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.69,0:07:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People who fear for their job,\Nand we're 2 to 3 times richer.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.29,0:08:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Aren't we all acting\Ncompletely foolishly?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.24,0:08:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Poverty is solved with income,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.88,0:08:07.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so people need to receive benefits\Nthat are high enough,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.77,0:08:09.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is not happening today.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.98,0:08:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The proponents of a basic income\Nare completely right in that regard,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.02,0:08:16.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,poor people need an income
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.94,0:08:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to live in dignity.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.48,0:08:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To see with our own eyes\Nwhat a basic income
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.28,0:08:28.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does to people in poverty,\Nwe traveled to Namibia,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.40,0:08:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a country of great contrasts.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.48,0:08:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The gigantic profits\Nfrom diamond exports
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.60,0:08:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stand in shrill contrast\Nwith the dangerous situation
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.84,0:08:38.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where people live in poverty.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.28,0:08:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otjivero is a poor settlement\Nin the desert
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.52,0:08:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where people had nothing at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.96,0:08:51.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were dirt poor,\Nhere in Otjivero.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.53,0:08:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But thanks to the basic income
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.53,0:08:56.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we had something to eat\Nand somewhere to sleep.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.94,0:09:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otjivero was chosen in 2009\Nfor an experiment
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.16,0:09:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where its 930 residents received\N100 Namibian dollars each month
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.08,0:09:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or about 7 euros per person.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.88,0:09:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unconditionally,\Npeople were free to decide
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.56,0:09:14.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what they would do\Nwith that money.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.06,0:09:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was mostly plastic\Nand carton box-houses,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.47,0:09:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which people lived.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.74,0:09:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the grant proved
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.40,0:09:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that after six months,\Na year after the implementation,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.00,0:09:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- you could see how\Nthe face of Otjivero changed.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.00,0:09:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Namibian council of churches,\Na few labor unions and NGO's
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.48,0:09:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provided the funds\Nfor this extraordinary project.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.76,0:09:49.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Priest Wilfred Diergaart\Nand bishop Zephania Kameeta
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.40,0:09:54.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chose Otjivero as the ideal\Nsettlement for this experiment.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.13,0:09:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This piece of no man's land\Nin the desert
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.24,0:09:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is populated\Nby various ethnic groups.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.84,0:10:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scientists Claudia\Nand Dirk Haarmann
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.08,0:10:04.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have performed intensive\Nresearch on location
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.52,0:10:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in cooperation with\Nthe University of Cape Town
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.40,0:10:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they analyzed the results.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.00,0:10:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we started with the pilot project,\Nwe thought
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.51,0:10:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that 100 Namibian dollars\Nis not a lot of money,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.04,0:10:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will just make the difference\Nin terms of food security
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.80,0:10:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it will just help people to cope\Nwith their daily lives in poverty.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.00,0:10:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we were actually very\Nsurprised by the results:
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.38,0:10:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,malnourishment went down\Nfrom 42 to 10 percent.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.16,0:10:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People had enough food to eat.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.16,0:10:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the amazing thing is that\Npeople really started to become active
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.28,0:10:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and took their lives into their own hands.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.56,0:10:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there actually was a real\Nempowerment process within the village.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.36,0:10:49.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks to the basic income,\Nmy business flourished.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.40,0:10:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a carpenter, I make beds and such.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.00,0:10:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We thought about\Nhow we could improve our lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.24,0:11:04.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Marie-Rose set up as a hairdresser.\NShe also sells bread and biscuits.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.24,0:11:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's my job.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.56,0:11:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I get money from here.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.77,0:11:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's called purchasing power:\Nas soon as you give people money,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.00,0:11:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can also spend it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.60,0:11:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The greatest success\NI have seen there,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.76,0:11:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the establishment of a bakery
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.64,0:11:27.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the proceeds of this grant.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.64,0:11:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Frida.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.24,0:11:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That bakery has now reached\Nthe level of self-sustainability.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.44,0:11:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you give a person money,\Nwhy should they become lazy?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.84,0:11:43.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Take me, I'm not lazy,\NI have been given hope again,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.88,0:11:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm busy every day.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.00,0:11:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you give someone money, they can decide\Nfor themselves what to do with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.44,0:11:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The government only gave us corn flour
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.76,0:12:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not everyone eats porridge.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.44,0:12:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you know that everybody\Nlikes to eat corn flour?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.60,0:12:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not everyone eats it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.25,0:12:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You give them money and they\Ndecide what they want to buy.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.28,0:12:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is the way\Nan adult learns about life.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.52,0:12:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is an adult policy, rather\Nthan a paternalistic policy.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.00,0:12:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But why do we need\Na basic income in Belgium
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.92,0:12:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we already have\Nsuch an extensive benefits system?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.24,0:12:34.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, you only get money\Nunconditionally if you're the king.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.48,0:12:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Belgium does have\Na fine social safety net,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.60,0:12:41.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's also terribly complex.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.04,0:12:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If people start working part-time,\Nwhich is sometimes possible,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.44,0:12:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have less income\Nthan their disability benefits.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.56,0:12:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they are punished for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.40,0:12:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is exceptionally counterproductive.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.80,0:12:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It makes you dependent, that also\Ntakes away your motivation.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.76,0:13:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You earn less with a low paying job
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.08,0:13:02.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than you would get on benefits.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.16,0:13:05.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So one of the main arguments\Nin favour of basic income
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.12,0:13:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Belgian or European context
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.32,0:13:10.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that the current system\Ncreates a sort of poverty trap,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.76,0:13:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an unemployment trap,\Nbecause it's conditional,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.35,0:13:17.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because those benefits\Nare conditional.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.63,0:13:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have gotten to the point\Nwhere we are paying people
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.76,0:13:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to monitor what an unemployed\Nperson is doing, and that's insane.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.28,0:13:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with a basic income grant, you\Ndon't need a huge administration.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.00,0:13:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The redistribution of money currently\Nrequires us to spend a lot of money
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.72,0:13:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on people who are doing something\Nthat is frankly pointless.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.96,0:13:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or people who are replaceable this way.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.16,0:13:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we can make that redistribution\Na lot more efficient
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.92,0:13:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by just giving a basic income.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.60,0:13:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the people themselves,\Nthey do not need to cheat.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.20,0:13:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also, there's no way you can cheat.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.00,0:14:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If no one can commit fraud\Nto get a basic income,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.20,0:14:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no one needs to be checked.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.80,0:14:09.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the foremost parts
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.64,0:14:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our benefits system\Nbecomes obsolete this way.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.44,0:14:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who was it that was looking\Nfor more ways to cut spending?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.76,0:14:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basic income is an idea\Nthat refuses to die.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.72,0:14:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It started\Nwith Thomas Paine in 1795.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.72,0:14:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But also in 1848 in Brussels
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.12,0:14:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Belgian Liberal Joseph Charlier\Nwrote about it in this house.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.64,0:14:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That proposal is really a proposal
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.60,0:14:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a really unconditional basic income.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.84,0:14:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Modest, but really unconditional.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.64,0:14:56.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only the person\Nwhose basic necessities are met
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.47,0:14:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is independent.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.28,0:15:04.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Currently, those who depend on others\Nfor their absolute needs are slaves.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.00,0:15:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps one last excerpt that\Nalso expresses the ambition well.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.12,0:15:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The answer to the social problem is\Nas simple as it is far-reaching.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.00,0:15:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That a simple idea\Ncan have immense consequences,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.44,0:15:26.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also proves this Belgian phenomenon.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.25,0:15:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.76,0:15:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just kidding, gracias!\NGrazie!
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.76,0:15:35.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, with 2000 euros a month you don't need\Nto worry for the rest of your life.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.72,0:15:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Win For Life, don't worry.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.92,0:15:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I scratched that lottery ticket in 2010
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.48,0:15:45.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it still didn't really sink in.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.08,0:15:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when you stick\Nthat ticket in the machine,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.00,0:15:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that jingle plays, you're like
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.32,0:15:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"it really is real."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.00,0:15:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then she said "oh, you're lucky,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.80,0:15:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's always paid out\Non the first of the month,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.84,0:16:03.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so starting the day after tomorrow,\Nevery month 2000 euros
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.36,0:16:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be deposited into your account.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.24,0:16:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the rest of your life.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.68,0:16:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll call our winner Anja.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.16,0:16:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She is worried about the stigma
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.16,0:16:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that she'd become lazy\Nfor the rest of her life.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.37,0:16:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually I'm working more than I used to,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.99,0:16:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since I got the Win For Life.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.60,0:16:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But also because I like doing it.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.76,0:16:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I'm doing as an entrepreneur,\Nthat doesn't feel like working to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.92,0:16:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I like doing it,\Nbut if I hadn't had that Win For Life,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.36,0:16:36.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never would've had the chance\Nto do what I like doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.95,0:16:38.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's just wonderful.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.75,0:16:40.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That woman does what she likes.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.46,0:16:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She is free,\Nthat's really the whole point.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.08,0:16:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A basic income\Nis a freedom income
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.96,0:16:49.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people don't realise that yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.40,0:16:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you see the collective\Nhappiness that is being wasted,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.98,0:16:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because people refuse to seriously\Nthink about it, that's huge.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.32,0:17:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That full time job is no longer\Nputting me under pressure either,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.84,0:17:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like it was before.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.24,0:17:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that for a lot of people\Nit's like: "I have to keep this job,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.52,0:17:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's all that I have\Nand it's something to hold on to"
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.24,0:17:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in my case it's: "Well, if I\NIose that job, it's not a disaster."
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.44,0:17:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something I've concluded\Nas an entrepreneur is
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.68,0:17:21.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who like doing things
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.16,0:17:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do it really well and they are\Nmuch more productive than people
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.36,0:17:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are working because they have to.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.92,0:17:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is also the function\Nof a basic income,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.75,0:17:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of people's human capital.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.08,0:17:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would never have started my own business\Nif I hadn't had that Win For Life,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.24,0:17:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for fear of failure or becoming bankrupt.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.48,0:17:51.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anja also had more worries\Nbefore she won her Win For Life.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.20,0:17:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Damn, my hair dryer broke down.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.16,0:17:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, about the safety\Nof the ramshackle house she lived in
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.60,0:18:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she couldn't count\Non financial help from home
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.28,0:18:05.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to buy a proper house.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.28,0:18:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never would've dreamed\Nwe could live in such a beautiful house.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.96,0:18:14.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that was not a problem, because\Nsuddenly the bank was glad to see us,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.66,0:18:18.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with 2000 euros extra income.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.36,0:18:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in the case of Win For Life\Nit is "For Life".
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.36,0:18:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the big problem there is\Nthat there is a huge difference
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.80,0:18:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between 10, 100, 1000 people\Nin 11 million.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.64,0:18:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what happens in the heads\Nof those 11 million Belgians
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.96,0:18:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we randomly offer a few people
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.10,0:18:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an unconditional chance\Nat 2000 euros a month?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.20,0:18:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would they stop working?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.00,0:18:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2000 is a nice amount.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.88,0:18:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't directly stop working,\Nbut my partner might.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.12,0:18:59.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could go on a short\Nvacation more often.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.64,0:19:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That would make life\Nmore pleasant and easier.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.28,0:19:04.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps a renovation?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.28,0:19:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd also save, I wouldn't immediately\Nspend it on fancy things.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.32,0:19:11.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the rest of your life you wouldn't\Nhave to work for somebody else.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.08,0:19:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd open a shop and I'd quit my job.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.08,0:19:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Open a shop or a restaurant.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.68,0:19:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll tell you right now\Nthat I'd use it for good causes.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.00,0:19:26.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Small-scale projects from people\Nwho want to do something
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.52,0:19:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the less wealthy.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.64,0:19:32.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Orphans, I pity them a lot as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.28,0:19:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can I scratch now?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.00,0:19:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reactions here\Nconfirm the expectations
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.52,0:19:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the societal effect\Nof a basic income.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.60,0:19:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It makes people think\Nabout their free time,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.68,0:19:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it makes people more independent\Nand nobody thinks of being lazy.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.65,0:19:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alas.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.88,0:19:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Too bad.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.49,0:19:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what do they think\Nabout the implementation
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.28,0:19:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a basic income for each Belgian?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.28,0:19:59.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is of course not a bad idea,\Nbut it's not feasible.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.64,0:20:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not feasible.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.36,0:20:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Freedom is a sensitive matter to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.40,0:20:06.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a fantastic system,\Nif it's for everyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.76,0:20:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If everyone can decide\Nwhat to do with it,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.56,0:20:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll sign up right now, immediately.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.32,0:20:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If everyone is doing well,\Nthen there's also no misery.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.64,0:20:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where will they get the money in the\Nfirst place, is what I'm thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.84,0:20:25.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I won't scratch for too long,\Nbecause I still have potatoes to cook.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.00,0:20:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there is a country where there is\Nenough money for a basic income,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.72,0:20:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's Switzerland.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.72,0:20:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The citizens of the country\Nof banks will vote in 2016
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.48,0:20:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a basic income for every Swiss.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.72,0:20:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A group of a few artists
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.52,0:20:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is calling itself\N"Generation basic income".
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.64,0:20:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They collected\Nmore than 100,000 signatures
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.64,0:20:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and compelled their government\Nto a referendum
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.36,0:20:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the Swiss system\Nof direct democracy.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.16,0:20:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If people vote yes,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.16,0:21:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Swiss government will be\Nconstitutionally obligated
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.50,0:21:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to implement the system,\Nno matter what.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.16,0:21:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With that, Switzerland is internationally
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.52,0:21:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the furthest along with a possible utopia.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.12,0:21:16.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Daniel Häni is an entrepreneur,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.03,0:21:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the man behind\N"Unternehmen mitte" in Basel,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.72,0:21:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a coffee bar in a former bank building
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.44,0:21:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where everyone is welcome,\Nwithout having to consume anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.68,0:21:29.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The referendum is a political process.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.60,0:21:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People ask themselves questions
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.88,0:21:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when people ask themselves\Nquestions, they think.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.52,0:21:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that way, awareness starts to exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.64,0:21:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The action of the money pile in Bern\Nalso fits in that context.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.80,0:21:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The basic income is an idea in a situation
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.48,0:22:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where there is plenty of everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.56,0:22:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are in fact\N8 million real Swiss coins.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.00,0:22:11.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With this stunt, "Generation basic income"\Ndrew international attention.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.84,0:22:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You stand in front of that money pile\Nand you ask yourself:
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.56,0:22:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What's still missing,\Nif everything is there?"
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.00,0:22:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Swiss are often said to be neutral.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.44,0:22:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Enno Schmidt is very clear:
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.12,0:22:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in a rich country like\NSwitzerland, a basic income
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.56,0:22:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is possible and necessary.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.08,0:22:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether people vote yes or no,\Nis of course very important to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.20,0:22:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to win.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.20,0:22:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But to understand how a democracy\Nworks, you have to say:
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.84,0:22:48.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if the majority votes\Nagainst basic income,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.28,0:22:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it tells us where we stand,\Nand that's good.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.00,0:22:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Enno and Co. have a long way\Nto go with their campaign
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.72,0:23:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the man in the street\Nstill has many doubts.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.61,0:23:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really don't know yet, you have\Nto weigh up these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.36,0:23:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't thought enough about it yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.32,0:23:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't say if I find it good or bad.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.04,0:23:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really don't know yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.04,0:23:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With basic income\Na discussion gets started
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.60,0:23:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what you really want\Nto do.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.40,0:23:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd take the time to ask myself
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.52,0:23:37.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if what I'm doing now\Nis what I really want to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.20,0:23:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a development.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.20,0:23:43.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what we're doing now\Nas a part of history.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.72,0:23:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's necessary that a lot of people\Nconcern themselves with basic income
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.56,0:23:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and develop\Nthe ability necessary for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.88,0:23:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It shows when you think about the matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.64,0:23:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of people\Ncan't think for themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.72,0:24:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They give in to\Nan argument "and that's that".
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.64,0:24:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they have to develop independence,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.56,0:24:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like other powers\Nthey don't have yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.96,0:24:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you're already\Nclose to a basic income.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.00,0:24:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alright, dear Swiss,\Nbut you're not that special.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:18.00,0:24:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Europe, citizens can submit\Nan initiative as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.84,0:24:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The European citizen's initiative
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.04,0:24:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is an initiative\Nfrom the European Commission.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.88,0:24:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christina Lambrecht of the Belgian\Nmovement for basic income
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.40,0:24:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explains how it works.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.48,0:24:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have written up a text\Nregarding basic income.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.56,0:24:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We submitted it to the Commission,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.76,0:24:41.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they said "Okay, you can go for it."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.56,0:24:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, we have to surpass\Na minimum threshold of 7 countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.80,0:24:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,15 countries have already\Njoined the campaign,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:48.27,0:24:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are getting ready\Nto collect signatures.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.43,0:24:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in Belgium we had\Nto reach 16,500 signatures.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.60,0:24:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We reached 19,500.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.16,0:24:59.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I reached the ministry,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.52,0:25:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they said to me, very friendly, mind you,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.72,0:25:05.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dear madam, we can't do anything\Nwith that at the moment,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.69,0:25:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at this moment everyone\Nis in election mode,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.76,0:25:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the current minister of home affairs,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.96,0:25:15.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I won't mention her name,\Nthat's not very friendly,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.72,0:25:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she's going to file that in a cabinet
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.40,0:25:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no one's going to look at it anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.32,0:25:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in my home I have 19,500\Nsignatures of all those Belgians,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.36,0:25:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from north and south\Nwho supported our initiative
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.76,0:25:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and frankly haven't been recognized to say
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.12,0:25:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Look, we want the European Commission\Nto put that idea on the table."
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.14,0:25:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok, let's go back to Switzerland.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.07,0:25:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ironically, the country\Nthat isn't a member of the EU
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.60,0:25:46.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and where a national\Ncitizen's initiative is binding.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.00,0:26:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tumasch is a biological farmer
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.68,0:26:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the beautiful mountains\Nof Lower Engadin.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.25,0:26:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What would happen, if an unconditional\Nbasic income was implemented?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.56,0:26:14.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think about it?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.76,0:26:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would get a freedom\NI do not currently have.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.24,0:26:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The basic income\Nwould be a sort of subsisdy.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.20,0:26:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I would still keep working.\NAnd it has more advantages.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.80,0:26:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like what?\N- It's the only solution
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.88,0:26:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for our disrupted relations...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.12,0:26:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...or rather our disrupted\Nfinancial system.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.40,0:26:53.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's really a social problem\Nthat needs a solution.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.76,0:26:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And right now there is\Nno better idea than basic income.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.00,0:27:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Switzerland the idea is ripening,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.00,0:27:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but how are we doing?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.68,0:27:08.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're willing to dream\Nabout a better future,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.12,0:27:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but our daily way of life
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.88,0:27:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is still controlled by entrenched ideas.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.32,0:27:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The concept of a work week,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.92,0:27:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's an obsolete concept.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.84,0:27:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The concept of a retirement pension\Nat a certain age,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.00,0:27:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's actually also an obsolete concept.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.04,0:27:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,En then there's the robots, those are\Nonly getting better at their work
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.72,0:27:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they don't get burnouts.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.88,0:27:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Robots are already taking over\Na large part of our work
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.68,0:27:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the future that\Nwill increase by another 47%.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.13,0:27:40.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can actually afford\Nto hand out money to everyone
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.55,0:27:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those who want to work\Nget some more money
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.36,0:27:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those who don't want to work
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.07,0:27:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't work and do what they want.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:47.48,0:27:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In principle, society is\Nrich enough to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:50.24,0:27:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With a basic income really everyone
Dialogue: 0,0:27:53.36,0:27:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the history of mankind
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.00,0:27:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gets the choice about the kind of work\Nthey want to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.84,0:28:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finally the flexible labor market\Nthat people want so badly.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.44,0:28:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Labor market" is actually an ugly word;\Npeople are not merchandise.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.20,0:28:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But with a basic income it will\Nfinally become a real market.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.28,0:28:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you can say yes or no to a job.\NSo you can also say no.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.00,0:28:24.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With a basic income for everyone
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.08,0:28:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you radically oppose\Nthe ruling status quo.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.63,0:28:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Freedom must be the most important thing,\Nthose who want to work can do that
Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.36,0:28:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so can those who don't.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.56,0:28:36.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Power to the people.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.44,0:28:38.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who could be opposed to that?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.36,0:28:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If people have a choice, they are\Nempowered to make their own decisions,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:46.92,0:28:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are empowered to become\Nresponsible, democratic citizens.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.76,0:28:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not always in business' interest\Nor in every politicians' interest.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.00,0:29:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basic income will give employees\Nthe possibility
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.80,0:29:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say no to unattractive jobs.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.48,0:29:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At a recent debate about basic income
Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.72,0:29:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this aspect quickly becomes the topic.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.64,0:29:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The basic income is a floor, a base,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.44,0:29:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on which people can build a life.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.80,0:29:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not a net in which people remain trapped.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.92,0:29:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, when you think about it a bit,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.76,0:29:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it turns out it's not just\Nsomething that's fair,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.88,0:29:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also better for the economy
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.22,0:29:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and better for the health of our society.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.56,0:29:32.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mentioned just now,\Nand I think we fully agree,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:32.29,0:29:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our labor market is changing greatly.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.44,0:29:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But paying a basic income\Nfor that is nonsense!
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.64,0:29:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Francine Mestrum continues\Nto oppose the basic income
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.80,0:29:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because she worries about\Nthe liberal thinking behind it
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.00,0:29:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and possible deterioration\Nof current social protection.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.52,0:29:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are thousands of people waiting,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.60,0:29:57.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who will take any job.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.52,0:30:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, not a chance that employers will say
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.24,0:30:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We'll still pay you just as much"
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.96,0:30:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, you don't want to do that work\Nanymore, I will pay you some more"
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.88,0:30:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That chance is zero.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.88,0:30:12.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what is something that could happen?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.60,0:30:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What could happen, well, what\Nmy organisation is working on
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.44,0:30:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what we try to defend
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.96,0:30:22.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a reform of the\Nsocial protection system.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:22.86,0:30:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have worked for a 100 years
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.03,0:30:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a system of social\Nprotection with rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.48,0:30:37.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And today it's not working\Nwell enough yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.72,0:30:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we need to improve it,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:41.00,0:30:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we can't throw it overboard,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.60,0:30:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't have that right.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.48,0:30:49.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think it's useful\Nto turn the knobs
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.40,0:30:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and increase child benefits\Na bit for the first one,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.27,0:30:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decrease a bit for the\Nsecond one, and...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.52,0:30:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It no longer works, we must dare\Nto rethink it radically.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.08,0:31:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Young people are more prone\Nto question existing systems
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.84,0:31:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we hear and see that\Nat this debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.38,0:31:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, just like most people\Nwho came to listen,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.00,0:31:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have heard good arguments\Nfor and against.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.60,0:31:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, a friend of mine\Nintroduced it a year or two ago
Dialogue: 0,0:31:15.24,0:31:17.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was immediately opposed.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.39,0:31:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I thought,\Nthat is such a leftist utopia,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.68,0:31:23.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no realistic person\Ncan be in favor of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.56,0:31:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in the meantime\NI've read so much about it
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.16,0:31:27.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've changed my mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.67,0:31:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see a young generation of people
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.68,0:31:33.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the coming years,\Nthis young generation
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.38,0:31:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will have to raise its voice.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.84,0:31:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A young generation of people\Nwho think completely differently
Dialogue: 0,0:31:38.00,0:31:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about work, about society.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.56,0:31:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Take me as an example:\NI am unemployed,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.08,0:31:45.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm educated,\NI'm unemployed.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.08,0:31:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Diploma,\Nstill unemployed.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.60,0:31:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Started a degree, completed it,\Nstill unemployed.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:49.20,0:31:51.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Completed paid training,\Nstill unemployed.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:51.99,0:31:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If someone were in my place,\Nthey would say
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.00,0:31:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't do it,\Njust go to sleep.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.92,0:32:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Young people don't think\Nlike the previous generation,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.56,0:32:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For them the world is something new,\Nthey're discovering it.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.68,0:32:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think young people
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.08,0:32:10.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are far more likely to assume\Nthe existence of prosperity.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.16,0:32:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's good\Nthat people start thinking
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.16,0:32:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the social rights of a human
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.68,0:32:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these days people\Nmostly point towards the duties.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.40,0:32:22.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These days people are mostly thinking\Nabout activating, activating,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:22.83,0:32:25.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but yes, indeed, the duty to contribute,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:25.05,0:32:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you're also entitled\Nto get something.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.24,0:32:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basic income underscores that right\Nand creates happiness.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:30.16,0:32:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I want to ask you what you're going\Nto do with your basic income system
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.16,0:32:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when someone
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.17,0:32:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is feeling down,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.24,0:32:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say, he goes gambling one night,\Nand he loses everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.28,0:32:50.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His money is gone,\Nwhat do you tell him?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.19,0:32:53.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You've had your chance. Too bad."?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.76,0:32:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will he die in the gutter, or what?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:56.04,0:32:58.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A universal scheme
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.19,0:33:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,means, I know you're receiving it,\Nand you know I'm receiving it.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.00,0:33:04.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It means, I can say to you:
Dialogue: 0,0:33:04.52,0:33:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've got a basic income,\Ntry make something out of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:08.88,0:33:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can say the same to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.88,0:33:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you talk to the people in Otjivero,\Nthey will tell you:
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.56,0:33:20.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We feel like one family.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.44,0:33:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They told us before that no one was caring for anyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:28.16,0:33:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if there was a fight\Nat a house close to you,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:33.15,0:33:36.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you would not go and enquire.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.11,0:33:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now we have grown\Ninto one family.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.00,0:33:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So basic income enhances\Nthe community feeling.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.52,0:33:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what about inflation?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:52.28,0:33:53.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As healthy, consuming Belgians,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.96,0:33:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wouldn't we want to know\Nif our bread
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.00,0:33:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will suddenly become\Nthree times as expensive?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.76,0:34:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It actually has a potentially\Nlowering effect on prices.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.16,0:34:10.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you provide a basic income,\Nand if that leads to more demand
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.16,0:34:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for local food or local services,\Nguess what happens?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:15.60,0:34:19.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They materialise, because people\Nhave greater incentive
Dialogue: 0,0:34:19.36,0:34:22.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to increase the supply\Nof those items.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.64,0:34:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That money circulates, and in fact\Nimproves the economy of the country
Dialogue: 0,0:34:29.56,0:34:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, for that matter, the economy\Nof the so called rural areas.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.92,0:34:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you actually help strengthen the\Nlocal economy, improve job creation,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:40.28,0:34:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those tend to be\Nimport-substituting.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.28,0:34:46.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The money will not disappear,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.36,0:34:52.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like diamonds\Nwhich have been exported
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.11,0:34:55.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of the country.\NIt's here.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:55.15,0:34:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It leads to more money being generated,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:58.08,0:35:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because production goes up,\Nand tax income goes up, etc.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:02.20,0:35:04.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can actually find
Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.97,0:35:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that using a basic income\Nhas a growth potential.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:08.28,0:35:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think we need\Nany more pilots
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.16,0:35:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to prove what can be done with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:14.32,0:35:17.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otjivero is basically like a window
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.52,0:35:20.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how Namibia could\Ndevelop what could be done.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:20.77,0:35:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, Namibia can be that example.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.20,0:35:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the leaders just take the courage\Nand the political will,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.40,0:35:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Namibia can become\Nthat country in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.64,0:35:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Suddenly, people are saying: wow,\Nactually for many years we thought
Dialogue: 0,0:35:38.64,0:35:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it would be impossible to have\Na basic income in... Africa?!
Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.20,0:35:46.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our coalition has made the calculations.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.26,0:35:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have found that it is feasible
Dialogue: 0,0:35:50.04,0:35:52.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to implement a b.i.g. [Basic\NIncome Grant] nationally.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.00,0:36:14.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for Belgium?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:14.53,0:36:16.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it affordable in Belgium?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:16.82,0:36:20.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not affordable.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.51,0:36:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bullshit, there is enough\Nprosperity in this world.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.52,0:36:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We all know, nowadays that the 85\Nrichest people on this planet
Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.64,0:36:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,own as much as the 3.5 billion poorest.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.72,0:36:32.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With a basic income, you can scrap\Na number of budget items
Dialogue: 0,0:36:32.51,0:36:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from your social protection.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:34.20,0:36:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Income support,\Nfor example, disappears.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:36.80,0:36:39.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've calculated it,\Nthere's about
Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.33,0:36:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,12 to 13 billion\Nyou can scrap.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:42.48,0:36:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,12 to 13 billion,\Nthat's not enough.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.64,0:36:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I challenge\Nall proponents of basic income
Dialogue: 0,0:36:50.72,0:36:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to come with a detailed,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.80,0:36:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well-founded calculation for basic income.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.00,0:37:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very well, miss Mestrum,\Nthese are Pierre Catelin,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.08,0:37:03.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ismaël Daoud and Axelle De Brandt.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:03.67,0:37:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Axelle and Pierre are therapists\Nand are working on their book
Dialogue: 0,0:37:06.60,0:37:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the model 'revenue de base XXL'.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.36,0:37:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ismaël is an engineer and worked \Nin his spare time for 6 months
Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.12,0:37:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a calculation model.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:15.44,0:37:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In his spare time, because for now\Nwe don't have a basic income yet
Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.00,0:37:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be free and innovative citizens.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:23.00,0:37:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pierre and Axelle's model for basic income\Nis very generous
Dialogue: 0,0:37:29.00,0:37:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so my first reaction was\Nlike, it's not feasible.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.80,0:37:39.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then, I was curious\Nand tried to calculate.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:43.64,0:37:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If basic income is adopted,\Nit will happen here.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.32,0:37:53.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our MPs will have less power\Nif they vote for this, it takes courage.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.12,0:38:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He we are in the chamber of the\Nfederal parliament of Belgium.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.48,0:38:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Recently they voted for the\N6th reform of the State,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:08.76,0:38:11.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which transfers competences
Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.59,0:38:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the federal level\Ntowards regions and communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:14.44,0:38:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we forgot about the citizens.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.56,0:38:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had to organise a competence switch\Nfrom public administrators to the citizens
Dialogue: 0,0:38:22.20,0:38:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,therefore we need a 7th reform\Nof the State that does just that.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:27.48,0:38:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In my job
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.92,0:38:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I help people reorganise their lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:35.60,0:38:41.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what people\Noften tell me is,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:41.07,0:38:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they need more money\Nand more time.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:43.30,0:38:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's quantified as follows,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.44,0:38:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in billions of francs.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:50.08,0:38:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need 187 billion euros\Nto pay a basic income
Dialogue: 0,0:38:54.00,0:38:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of 1500 Euros\Nto every adult, lifelong,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:58.40,0:39:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also 200 euros to each child
Dialogue: 0,0:39:00.32,0:39:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plus all personal insurances,\Npaid by the government.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:05.70,0:39:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have recalculated it all,\Nand figures look correct.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:09.40,0:39:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But isn't all of this,\Na bit too generous?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:13.24,0:39:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the sums were lower,\NI'm afraid
Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.44,0:39:20.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would ignore the potential\Nof the system:
Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.52,0:39:22.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting more freedom.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.80,0:39:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Firstly there are government expenditures\Nthat become superfluous,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.16,0:39:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are replaced.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.80,0:39:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The state won't need to spend\N41 billion on pensions anymore
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.12,0:39:40.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because basic income\Nis itself a sort of pension.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.68,0:39:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unemployment benefits\Nwould also become redundant
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.80,0:39:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because in this system\Nthere is no unemployment.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.40,0:39:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether you work or not,\Nyou get 1500 euros per month.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:51.00,0:39:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A whole range of things like benefits
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.36,0:39:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pensions can be replaced,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.40,0:39:58.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thus saving about 71 billion,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:58.32,0:40:02.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we still need to find 116.7 billion.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:02.16,0:40:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By a sound rationalisation\Nof public administration,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:05.40,0:40:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ishmael finds another 25 billion.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.08,0:40:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The third part consists of\Nextra revenues from a tax shift.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:15.40,0:40:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will focus on those who are\Nnow undertaxed.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.16,0:40:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Belgium capital is\Ntaxed at 6 percent,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.76,0:40:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Labour is taxed at 43 percent,\Nthat's a big difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.44,0:40:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea is to increase taxes on capital,\Nmovable or immovable goods.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.28,0:40:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you can reduce taxes on labour.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.20,0:40:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you get a more balanced system
Dialogue: 0,0:40:43.84,0:40:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where people do not have\Nto protest in the streets,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.96,0:40:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they feel\Nthey have contributed enough.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:50.00,0:40:54.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We consider it a noble contribution.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:54.32,0:40:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It offers a wide margin in society.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:57.12,0:40:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When people now hear\Nthe word 'contribution',
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.96,0:41:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they think it's a swindle.\NThat is not the goal.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.48,0:41:08.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There should be\Na differentiated VAT system:
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.12,0:41:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,higher for luxury goods,\Nlower for basic goods.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.48,0:41:16.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the average VAT should be\Naround 25 percent.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:16.96,0:41:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That provides another 16 billion euros.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.00,0:41:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By an average increase of VAT to 25%,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.20,0:41:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other shifts on taxes and charges,\Nwe arrive at 95.4 billion.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.16,0:41:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That brings us to a positive balance.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.48,0:41:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This model results in a profit of more\Nthan 4 billion for the government.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:37.52,0:41:40.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Namibia showed us how\Npurchase power can rise.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.55,0:41:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But an exact projection\Nof the spending power
Dialogue: 0,0:41:42.68,0:41:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,isn't possible with this static model.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.28,0:41:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They also consider, however,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:47.00,0:41:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,residual earnings and cost of government.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.60,0:41:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The price of the launch\Nof the basic income is 0 euro,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.92,0:41:57.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provided that some public\Nenterprises are privatized.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:57.52,0:42:01.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dear Pierre, Ishmael and Axelle,\Nare you really sure of this model?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.20,0:42:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes,\N- Absolutely.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:03.64,0:42:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact it will\Ngenerate savings
Dialogue: 0,0:42:05.64,0:42:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without deterioration of\Npublic services.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.60,0:42:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because this way,\Nthe system is much simpler.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.00,0:42:16.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You actually begins with a clean slate.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:16.20,0:42:21.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are no poltical\Na prioris or ideologies.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.00,0:42:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, why should you do it?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:23.92,0:42:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why should you give basic income\Nto rich people?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.44,0:42:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can somebody kindly answer\Nthis simple question?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.28,0:42:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basic income is for everyone,\Nthat's the difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.88,0:42:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people do not realise\Nthat excluding rich people
Dialogue: 0,0:42:40.88,0:42:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is still excluding people.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:44.28,0:42:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A basic income excludes no one,\Nit is not a class struggle.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.96,0:42:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is about the human.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.50,0:42:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That problem has been solved as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:53.00,0:42:55.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)
Dialogue: 0,0:42:55.99,0:42:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Politicians are afraid\Nthat if you empower people too much,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:59.36,0:43:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they stand up and demand things\Nand then they become empowered citizens.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.84,0:43:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think, politicians\Nare afraid of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:06.16,0:43:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because in Otjivero you could see\Nthis empowerment process.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:09.36,0:43:11.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They people can tell their own stories,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:11.66,0:43:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they even demanded the President\Nto come out and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.56,0:43:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you still have doubts about\Nthe basic income grant,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:17.36,0:43:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why don't you then come\Nto Otjivero and discuss with us?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:20.40,0:43:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is not that it isn't\Nspoken about in politics.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.32,0:43:31.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of politicians in Germany, Switzer-\Nland and Canada are talking about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:31.60,0:43:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a short term, it will be\Non the political agenda.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:35.00,0:43:37.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the problems with basic income
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.68,0:43:44.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that within each party there are\Nboth proponents and opponents
Dialogue: 0,0:43:44.72,0:43:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes you find very\Nemotional proponents and opponents
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.64,0:43:53.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that in fact makes it difficult\Nto move forward.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.38,0:43:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it is difficult for a party\Nto find enough unity within itself
Dialogue: 0,0:43:57.18,0:43:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to effectively promote the idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.28,0:44:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To me, it also proves that it is an idea
Dialogue: 0,0:44:01.48,0:44:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the future and not of the past,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:03.64,0:44:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this left-right\Npolarisation is an illusion.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:06.72,0:44:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It stems from our parliamentary system\Nthat dates from the 19th century.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:12.29,0:44:17.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only Belgian party with\Nbasic income in its program
Dialogue: 0,0:44:17.59,0:44:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the Pirate Party.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:27.84,0:44:30.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basic Income Now, is their message.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:30.92,0:44:35.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no discussion\Nabout another economic paradigm
Dialogue: 0,0:44:35.31,0:44:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or another way to construct\Nthe welfare state,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:37.88,0:44:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we're stuck in,\N'this is what we have now'
Dialogue: 0,0:44:40.11,0:44:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we don't dare to break away from that,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:41.88,0:44:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we must bind our voters to us
Dialogue: 0,0:44:44.28,0:44:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and satisfy them\Nand they don't believe in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.08,0:44:52.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every new party, especially a party\Nwith refreshing and good ideas,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:52.40,0:44:57.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is more dangerous than an idiot\Ntalking some bullshit.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.81,0:45:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were a very dangerous party in that way
Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.37,0:45:04.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we certainly had a strong image,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:04.21,0:45:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were well prepared.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.12,0:45:11.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Duchatelet came up with a clear\Nproposal for basic income in the late 90s.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:11.38,0:45:13.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with his party Vivant.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:13.58,0:45:15.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We got a lot of votes, by the way.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:15.91,0:45:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 1999 we got 1 in 40 votes. For a party
Dialogue: 0,0:45:19.84,0:45:23.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that barely got any TV coverage,\Nthat's a great result.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:23.85,0:45:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So after the national elections
Dialogue: 0,0:45:27.00,0:45:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they immediately introduced\Nan electoral threshold,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.26,0:45:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make sure that next time\Nwe wouldn't be successful.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:53.18,0:45:57.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the benefit of the rich\Nemployees must retreat.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:57.45,0:46:01.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is becoming extremely urgent
Dialogue: 0,0:46:01.32,0:46:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we need a new progressive\Npolitics of redistribution
Dialogue: 0,0:46:04.84,0:46:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a new system\Nof income distribution
Dialogue: 0,0:46:07.80,0:46:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which people have\Nthe right to basic security
Dialogue: 0,0:46:11.48,0:46:14.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to exist as a human being\Nin modern society.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:14.40,0:46:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If basic income is not part
Dialogue: 0,0:46:17.12,0:46:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of that progressive strategy,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:19.44,0:46:21.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I think we are entitled
Dialogue: 0,0:46:21.14,0:46:23.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be very alarmed\Nabout what's happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:23.59,0:46:28.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, it is important that this\Nutopia, this dream, gives people hope
Dialogue: 0,0:46:28.49,0:46:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and gives people the message,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:31.04,0:46:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not wrong to be\Noptimistic and hopeful.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:34.40,0:46:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Be outraged, be committed'
Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.24,0:46:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he says, and I completely agree with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:40.08,0:46:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Think about your world, your\Nexistence, your job, your life
Dialogue: 0,0:46:44.64,0:46:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and try from there to mean\Nsomething in the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:48.52,0:46:52.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and don't wait\Nuntil some great leader
Dialogue: 0,0:46:52.11,0:46:53.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,says from above, that's the way to act.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:53.93,0:46:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we allow our societies\Nto become more and more unequal,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:59.48,0:47:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and more and more prone to insecurity\Nfor masses of people,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:03.92,0:47:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it will be scary.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:30.00,0:47:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A society with fewer insecure\Nand angry people:
Dialogue: 0,0:47:34.12,0:47:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could a basic income really achieve this?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:37.52,0:47:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basic income also poses new questions:
Dialogue: 0,0:47:40.60,0:47:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what will happen to migration,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:43.04,0:47:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if basic income only\Nexists in Belgium?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:45.96,0:47:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Isn't the implementation required\Nat a European level
Dialogue: 0,0:47:48.60,0:47:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even to be studied globally?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:51.52,0:47:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will we only then be talking about a real utopia?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:55.12,0:48:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, I will tell you,\Nit's unthinkable not to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:03.08,0:48:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, because only 8% of the people\Nare producing everything we need.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.88,0:48:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other 92%, do we need\Nto invent jobs for them
Dialogue: 0,0:48:15.16,0:48:18.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In some administration\Nin order to give them money?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.54,0:48:20.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, just give money to everyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:20.36,0:48:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People are scared\Nof the Basic Income Grant,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.36,0:48:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it does not stop of giving\N100 Namibian dollars to poor Namibians.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:32.52,0:48:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it touches many, many questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.20,0:48:39.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The thing is, that when any new idea,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:39.60,0:48:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or any idea that, confronting\Nall problems, comes up,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:44.16,0:48:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the biggest challenge for people\Nis to open their minds.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:22.52,0:49:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's my life.\NIt's not my job, it's my life.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:59.00,0:50:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Admittedly, something to talk\Nabout during upcoming family dinners.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:04.96,0:50:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are looking\Nfor additional arguments,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:07.08,0:50:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on our Facebook page\Nyou will find more information
Dialogue: 0,0:50:09.76,0:50:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the financing model proposed \Nby Ismaël, Pierre en Axelle.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:14.12,0:50:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for those who still consider\Nbasic income a stupid idea...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.32,0:50:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the right to vote for women was also\Nconsidered a stupid idea not so long ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:22.68,0:50:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wishing you happy holidays
Dialogue: 0,0:50:26.88,0:50:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a new year\Nwith only pleasant surprises
Dialogue: 0,0:50:29.80,0:50:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hope to see you back for a new Panorama\Non Thursday 8th January.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:34.20,0:50:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for watching.