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We, of course, have the slogan "Victory or martyrdom."

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They have the slogan "Victory or Egypt." (Nasr au Masr)

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Bu Shena ("Mr Fez" = Mustafa Abdeljalil) is 75 years old

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We decided a long time ago to eliminate him. Elimination [unclear]. I mean, there was no hope in him.

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He's very poor.

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These are the people they have on their side.

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Why would the Uhaishi area or the Majori area come out in a demonstrations with the green flag?

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Weren't they all about "revolution" and discontented, and the revolution of the youth?

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And then, what youth, Mr Fez is 75 years old, and the other one...

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We won't raise the white flag. We won't surrender. The ceasefire won't happen. Until Libya returns to how it was.

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Room by room, alley by alley.

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Didn't he go to Obama and ask for 5 billion? They're in need.

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We, of course, have the slogan "Victory or martyrdom."

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They have the slogan "Victory or Egypt." (an-Nasr au Masr)

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Speaker: I found someone with a box in front like a pregnant woman, begging for alms.

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Saif: Who?

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Speaker: Those people in Tunis. The rats.

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Saif: By the way, since we're speaking about the rats

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There's an Italian man, the first to enter Benghazi on the 20th of February

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I mean, the first one [to enter]

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So he spoke to me about them. I asked him to tell me.

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So he said, "I was in the Uzu hotel." He said, when the army entered, he said the first thing

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was that there was no paint in the city. Everyone was painting the Angola flag.

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It looks like the Angolan flag.

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off camera: "They've named it the melon, red and green"

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Saif: You see, the Egypt guy, what's his name, their military commander

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Off camera: Tantawi

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He said: What's Pakistan's flag doing here?

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A new flag, that looks like Pakistan's.

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So he [Italian] said, they started painting and there was one person with a sticker of the flag on the glass [of the car]

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which wouldn't be removed, whatever he did. So in the end he reversed and broke it.

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He said "Better break the glass rather than [unclear]"

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He swore to me and he said, my Italian friend

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he told me all the members of the council and all the rats

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he said, they all fled, and some reached Egypt and some hid in Tobruk

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he said they didn't return until after a week

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Even after the American and French and the NATO bombing

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They stayed a whole week hidden away scared

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Anyway, as for the eastern region, this region was kidnapped by criminals

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Like a hijacked airplane

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Have you ever heard of a hijacked plane being considered the property of the hijackers?

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We are returning to Barga [Cyrenaica]

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You know we are returning to Benghazi

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There is no discussion there

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This is a red line. Libya's unity cannot be let go

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NATO or the devil, this is not up for discussion, even if all of Libya dies. Anyway

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The main reason for the meeting

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to be clear, what is happening in Libya now, Libya has changed

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Libya has changed and won't return to how it was, ever, and it is impossible that it will return

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Libya in the past

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Off camera: Glad tidings, God willing

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Of course, but what is in the past can't return

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once bitten twice shy [lit. the believer is not stung from the same den twice]

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Firstly, I was responsible for this period. I brought all these people and gave them power

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The whole council, I brought them

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They used to go around penniless, with nothing

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I brought them in and gave them jobs

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Because I used to believe Libya was for all, the country was for all, and that in Libya we are all equals

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Even the Italian journalist, I remember, said there was a Libyan who told him

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"All the destruction in Libya is Saif al Islam's fault"

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He said, I asked him "Why?" He said: "Because he brought these people and he created this atmosphere of reconciliation

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and this is the reason for this."

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Off camera: I don't know who said it

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Saif: I mean, we saw Libyans saying takbir, and women ululating for the rockets and planes of the Christians hitting us

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We saw a Libyan saying "Thank God for the NATO, and carry on striking NATO."

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We saw a Libyan who goes out from morning to night, and his job is to get co-ordinates of sites where his brothers are

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We've seen all this, and we saw it in 1911 and after, after the Italian colonialism, the agents and the mercenaries and traitors

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and Mussolini came to them and they called him Saif al Islam or Saif al Haq or something [Sword of Islam/Truth]

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and there was poetry for him and they came up with names for Mussolini

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These same people have returned after 100 years

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In the future... in the beginning we said "We're all equal, we're all alike and Libya is for all."

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But what happened? Those I returned with from abroad, changed from a gentle lamb to a poisonous snake

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The first person to bite was him, the same person who used to read the Fatiha for you came up on TV with his hand raised against you

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The one who was nothing, wandering outside [the country]

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and I brought him and told him it's your right, this is your country

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He was the first to deal with the enemy, with the Christians, with the Jews

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and lastly, they brought us a Zionist Jew

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there are Jews that aren't Zionists

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A Zionist, and they told him, you rule Libya

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Then, in the future, this is my opinion, and you of course will agree with me, I don't think we should have this equality

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I don't think it's a future, as it brought Bernard Lévy and brought the Jews and Christians

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and tomorrow he tells me "we'll sit equal and I have a right in the oil, just like you, and a right in power

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and this is my country." No, go elsewhere [lit. God open (other opportunities) for you]

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Then, this is finished. This is finished.

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The matter of equality in Libya is finished, forever.

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There will be no equality in Libya

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In Libya now there are levels (different statuses)

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Even with God, the believers have levels

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Those who fought and spent money are not like those who...

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And so, there are tribes and areas in Libya which, I won't say defended the Leader and the Revolution

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No, they were the first to defend the country and our nation

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We in the end defend our country and our families, as Libyans

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Yes, Libyans, but there is an A and a B [different statuses]

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This is a truth

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Or you who was one who was one of the rats, a big rat, and I, a warrior and we have martyrs, are equal

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Or why has God created heaven and hellfire?

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Off camera: Doctor...

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And so, in the future, Libya, it's wealth and it's oil and it's money, and the rule in it is for the people who are now fighting for the sake of Libya and who paid the price

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Off camera: We are steadfast

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Those who went...I tell you something, we will work to make sure, and this is recorded from me, in Libya it must be like what happened in Algeria

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In Algeria, after the independence war was victorious over the imperialist Italian colonialism

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by the way Bernard Lévy is one of the French colonialists who was in Algeria

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When the French left, 100s of thousands of Algerian left with them, they are now in France

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They have whole towns they live in, these are the traitors and the agents of the French

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When they went to the Algerians, they said we are fighting and liberating and you were agents

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and now when Algeria is independent, you want to come and share it? No, you were with France, go to your France

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The traitors can go live in Doha, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Paris, London, anywhere. No problem. Sydney, Monte Carlo. But Libya, no.

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Stay over there, you have no place here.

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Now Shalgam, the conspiracy he created, which led to hundreds of Libyans dying in the strikes

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Tomorrow Shalgam will come and say I'm a Libyan, I want to live...yesterday he said

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I will put myself up for elections in Libya

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Anyway

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Now Shalgam wants to return and be a Libyan citizen. No way.

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After the victory, we will do exactly like Algeria

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Off camera: hunt them

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NATO leaves and the rats leave with them

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All the rats got to NATO, Qatar, UAE, Jordan and no more Libya

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There is a Sheikh called Gheriani. I told them to put him on the broadcast and let him talk and stuff

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What breaks wudu, and the woman who wants to divorce, and the woman who wants to marry and so on, stuff that has nothing to do with politics

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I said...he's actually al Alam (not Gheriani) Sadeq al Alam

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His grandfather is Libya's old mufti

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Who was he? The one Mussolini used

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The one who told him: rule as the fates decree, for you alone are the vanquisher [line of poetry]

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He made Mussolini like God

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This is the grandfather of this Gheriani

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Anyway, what I want to tell you is, so Libya in the future is for the people who died for it, who sacrificed for it, who fought for it

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Libya is for them, the oil, and the petrol and the rule, this is our country, we died for it

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and those who went to NATO and Qatar and over there, go over there

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as for Libya, those people have no place in it anymore

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Thus, there are areas which are our base, as you said

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From the first day they stood up, they picked up arms, they fought, they resisted, they died

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these areas...now Libya is segregated, there are areas which are half-and-half, and areas which are with us 100%

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from the first day, they took their decision

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Now, Libya will build a new army and a new police

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and build a new order

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We will begin with those closest to us [ie the most loyal to the regime] like the Igilat area

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We have volunteers, to bring out all the people who want to volunteer and to fight

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Today you volunteer, but tomorrow you will have your wage and your job

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in the Libyan armed forces

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Because our army in the future will be made up of specific tribes, specific areas