0:00:00.720,0:00:03.738 We, of course, have the slogan "Victory or martyrdom." 0:00:03.738,0:00:07.224 They have the slogan "Victory or Egypt." (Nasr au Masr) 0:00:08.522,0:00:10.782 Bu Shena ("Mr Fez" = Mustafa Abdeljalil) is 75 years old 0:00:12.330,0:00:18.831 We decided a long time ago to eliminate him. Elimination [unclear]. I mean, there was no hope in him. 0:00:18.831,0:00:20.410 He's very poor. 0:00:20.410,0:00:23.771 These are the people they have on their side. 0:00:28.770,0:00:32.856 Why would the Uhaishi area or the Majori area come out in a demonstrations with the green flag? 0:00:32.856,0:00:38.754 Weren't they all about "revolution" and discontented, and the revolution of the youth? 0:00:38.754,0:00:45.890 And then, what youth, Mr Fez is 75 years old, and the other one... 0:00:50.364,0:01:00.999 We won't raise the white flag. We won't surrender. The ceasefire won't happen. Until Libya returns to how it was. 0:01:00.999,0:01:02.937 Room by room, alley by alley. 0:01:04.280,0:01:16.406 Didn't he go to Obama and ask for 5 billion? They're in need. 0:01:17.000,0:01:20.318 We, of course, have the slogan "Victory or martyrdom." 0:01:20.318,0:01:23.971 They have the slogan "Victory or Egypt." (an-Nasr au Masr) 0:01:25.566,0:01:28.398 Speaker: I found someone with a box in front like a pregnant woman, begging for alms. 0:01:28.398,0:01:30.070 Saif: Who? 0:01:30.070,0:01:32.857 Speaker: Those people in Tunis. The rats. 0:01:32.857,0:01:36.758 Saif: By the way, since we're speaking about the rats 0:01:36.758,0:01:42.516 There's an Italian man, the first to enter Benghazi on the 20th of February 0:01:42.516,0:01:44.838 I mean, the first one [to enter] 0:01:44.838,0:01:47.040 So he spoke to me about them. I asked him to tell me. 0:01:47.040,0:01:52.160 So he said, "I was in the Uzu hotel." He said, when the army entered, he said the first thing 0:01:52.160,0:01:59.547 was that there was no paint in the city. Everyone was painting the Angola flag. 0:01:59.547,0:02:02.207 It looks like the Angolan flag. 0:02:02.207,0:02:04.436 off camera: "They've named it the melon, red and green" 0:02:04.436,0:02:10.194 Saif: You see, the Egypt guy, what's his name, their military commander 0:02:10.194,0:02:11.560 Off camera: Tantawi 0:02:11.560,0:02:14.374 He said: What's Pakistan's flag doing here? 0:02:14.374,0:02:16.882 A new flag, that looks like Pakistan's. 0:02:16.882,0:02:22.454 So he [Italian] said, they started painting and there was one person with a sticker of the flag on the glass [of the car] 0:02:22.454,0:02:26.448 which wouldn't be removed, whatever he did. So in the end he reversed and broke it. 0:02:26.448,0:02:29.560 He said "Better break the glass rather than [unclear]" 0:02:29.560,0:02:32.000 He swore to me and he said, my Italian friend 0:02:32.000,0:02:37.037 he told me all the members of the council and all the rats 0:02:37.037,0:02:42.888 he said, they all fled, and some reached Egypt and some hid in Tobruk 0:02:42.888,0:02:46.882 he said they didn't return until after a week 0:02:46.882,0:02:51.897 Even after the American and French and the NATO bombing 0:02:51.897,0:02:54.040 They stayed a whole week hidden away scared 0:02:54.040,0:03:01.009 Anyway, as for the eastern region, this region was kidnapped by criminals 0:03:01.009,0:03:02.718 Like a hijacked airplane 0:03:02.718,0:03:07.222 Have you ever heard of a hijacked plane being considered the property of the hijackers? 0:03:07.222,0:03:11.123 We are returning to Barga [Cyrenaica] 0:03:11.123,0:03:12.795 You know we are returning to Benghazi 0:03:12.795,0:03:15.210 There is no discussion there 0:03:15.210,0:03:17.718 This is a red line. Libya's unity cannot be let go 0:03:17.718,0:03:25.283 NATO or the devil, this is not up for discussion, even if all of Libya dies. Anyway 0:03:26.391,0:03:31.440 The main reason for the meeting 0:03:31.440,0:03:39.034 to be clear, what is happening in Libya now, Libya has changed 0:03:39.034,0:03:44.142 Libya has changed and won't return to how it was, ever, and it is impossible that it will return 0:03:44.142,0:03:45.814 Libya in the past 0:03:45.814,0:03:46.360 Off camera: Glad tidings, God willing 0:03:46.360,0:03:49.808 Of course, but what is in the past can't return 0:03:49.808,0:03:55.052 once bitten twice shy [lit. the believer is not stung from the same den twice] 0:03:55.052,0:04:03.647 Firstly, I was responsible for this period. I brought all these people and gave them power 0:04:03.647,0:04:05.551 The whole council, I brought them 0:04:05.551,0:04:08.000 They used to go around penniless, with nothing 0:04:08.000,0:04:10.474 I brought them in and gave them jobs 0:04:10.474,0:04:22.957 Because I used to believe Libya was for all, the country was for all, and that in Libya we are all equals 0:04:22.957,0:04:26.403 Even the Italian journalist, I remember, said there was a Libyan who told him 0:04:26.403,0:04:28.399 "All the destruction in Libya is Saif al Islam's fault" 0:04:28.399,0:04:35.319 He said, I asked him "Why?" He said: "Because he brought these people and he created this atmosphere of reconciliation 0:04:35.319,0:04:36.960 and this is the reason for this." 0:04:36.960,0:04:37.880 Off camera: I don't know who said it 0:04:37.880,0:04:47.718 Saif: I mean, we saw Libyans saying takbir, and women ululating for the rockets and planes of the Christians hitting us 0:04:47.718,0:04:54.406 We saw a Libyan saying "Thank God for the NATO, and carry on striking NATO." 0:04:54.406,0:05:04.483 We saw a Libyan who goes out from morning to night, and his job is to get co-ordinates of sites where his brothers are 0:05:04.483,0:05:14.886 We've seen all this, and we saw it in 1911 and after, after the Italian colonialism, the agents and the mercenaries and traitors 0:05:14.886,0:05:18.926 and Mussolini came to them and they called him Saif al Islam or Saif al Haq or something [Sword of Islam/Truth] 0:05:18.926,0:05:23.452 and there was poetry for him and they came up with names for Mussolini 0:05:23.452,0:05:27.796 These same people have returned after 100 years 0:05:27.796,0:05:38.384 In the future... in the beginning we said "We're all equal, we're all alike and Libya is for all." 0:05:38.384,0:05:47.162 But what happened? Those I returned with from abroad, changed from a gentle lamb to a poisonous snake 0:05:47.162,0:05:55.335 The first person to bite was him, the same person who used to read the Fatiha for you came up on TV with his hand raised against you 0:05:55.335,0:05:57.750 The one who was nothing, wandering outside [the country] 0:05:57.750,0:06:00.258 and I brought him and told him it's your right, this is your country 0:06:00.258,0:06:04.251 He was the first to deal with the enemy, with the Christians, with the Jews 0:06:04.251,0:06:09.174 and lastly, they brought us a Zionist Jew 0:06:09.174,0:06:10.920 there are Jews that aren't Zionists 0:06:10.920,0:06:14.004 A Zionist, and they told him, you rule Libya 0:06:14.004,0:06:22.177 Then, in the future, this is my opinion, and you of course will agree with me, I don't think we should have this equality 0:06:22.177,0:06:29.240 I don't think it's a future, as it brought Bernard Lévy and brought the Jews and Christians 0:06:29.240,0:06:37.084 and tomorrow he tells me "we'll sit equal and I have a right in the oil, just like you, and a right in power 0:06:37.084,0:06:42.239 and this is my country." No, go elsewhere [lit. God open (other opportunities) for you] 0:06:42.239,0:06:46.001 Then, this is finished. This is finished. 0:06:46.001,0:06:53.960 The matter of equality in Libya is finished, forever. 0:06:53.960,0:06:56.400 There will be no equality in Libya 0:06:56.400,0:07:00.676 In Libya now there are levels (different statuses) 0:07:00.676,0:07:03.091 Even with God, the believers have levels 0:07:03.091,0:07:07.921 Those who fought and spent money are not like those who... 0:07:07.921,0:07:16.001 And so, there are tribes and areas in Libya which, I won't say defended the Leader and the Revolution 0:07:16.001,0:07:23.920 No, they were the first to defend the country and our nation 0:07:23.920,0:07:30.258 We in the end defend our country and our families, as Libyans 0:07:30.258,0:07:32.320 Yes, Libyans, but there is an A and a B [different statuses] 0:07:32.320,0:07:33.927 This is a truth 0:07:33.927,0:07:46.548 Or you who was one who was one of the rats, a big rat, and I, a warrior and we have martyrs, are equal 0:07:47.532,0:07:49.043 Or why has God created heaven and hellfire? 0:07:49.043,0:07:51.412 Off camera: Doctor... 0:07:51.412,0:08:06.690 And so, in the future, Libya, it's wealth and it's oil and it's money, and the rule in it is for the people who are now fighting for the sake of Libya and who paid the price 0:08:06.690,0:08:07.665 Off camera: We are steadfast 0:08:07.665,0:08:16.675 Those who went...I tell you something, we will work to make sure, and this is recorded from me, in Libya it must be like what happened in Algeria 0:08:16.675,0:08:22.526 In Algeria, after the independence war was victorious over the imperialist Italian colonialism 0:08:22.526,0:08:28.703 by the way Bernard Lévy is one of the French colonialists who was in Algeria 0:08:28.703,0:08:37.517 When the French left, 100s of thousands of Algerian left with them, they are now in France 0:08:37.517,0:08:44.446 They have whole towns they live in, these are the traitors and the agents of the French 0:08:44.446,0:08:48.920 When they went to the Algerians, they said we are fighting and liberating and you were agents 0:08:48.920,0:08:57.720 and now when Algeria is independent, you want to come and share it? No, you were with France, go to your France 0:08:57.720,0:09:13.517 The traitors can go live in Doha, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Paris, London, anywhere. No problem. Sydney, Monte Carlo. But Libya, no. 0:09:13.517,0:09:15.440 Stay over there, you have no place here. 0:09:15.440,0:09:23.037 Now Shalgam, the conspiracy he created, which led to hundreds of Libyans dying in the strikes 0:09:23.037,0:09:29.957 Tomorrow Shalgam will come and say I'm a Libyan, I want to live...yesterday he said 0:09:29.957,0:09:31.954 I will put myself up for elections in Libya 0:09:36.737,0:09:37.712 Anyway 0:09:37.712,0:09:41.660 Now Shalgam wants to return and be a Libyan citizen. No way. 0:09:41.660,0:09:46.815 After the victory, we will do exactly like Algeria 0:09:46.815,0:09:48.487 Off camera: hunt them 0:09:48.487,0:09:51.737 NATO leaves and the rats leave with them 0:09:51.737,0:10:01.443 All the rats got to NATO, Qatar, UAE, Jordan and no more Libya 0:10:04.874,0:10:15.097 There is a Sheikh called Gheriani. I told them to put him on the broadcast and let him talk and stuff 0:10:15.097,0:10:20.019 What breaks wudu, and the woman who wants to divorce, and the woman who wants to marry and so on, stuff that has nothing to do with politics 0:10:20.019,0:10:28.100 I said...he's actually al Alam (not Gheriani) Sadeq al Alam 0:10:28.100,0:10:31.160 His grandfather is Libya's old mufti 0:10:31.160,0:10:34.600 Who was he? The one Mussolini used 0:10:34.600,0:10:38.084 The one who told him: rule as the fates decree, for you alone are the vanquisher [line of poetry] 0:10:38.084,0:10:40.081 He made Mussolini like God 0:10:40.081,0:10:43.007 This is the grandfather of this Gheriani 0:10:43.007,0:10:58.146 Anyway, what I want to tell you is, so Libya in the future is for the people who died for it, who sacrificed for it, who fought for it 0:10:58.146,0:11:01.165 Libya is for them, the oil, and the petrol and the rule, this is our country, we died for it 0:11:01.165,0:11:05.252 and those who went to NATO and Qatar and over there, go over there 0:11:05.252,0:11:07.249 as for Libya, those people have no place in it anymore 0:11:07.249,0:11:14.769 Thus, there are areas which are our base, as you said 0:11:14.769,0:11:21.088 From the first day they stood up, they picked up arms, they fought, they resisted, they died 0:11:21.088,0:11:25.825 these areas...now Libya is segregated, there are areas which are half-and-half, and areas which are with us 100% 0:11:25.825,0:11:28.613 from the first day, they took their decision 0:11:31.920,0:11:41.521 Now, Libya will build a new army and a new police 0:11:41.521,0:11:43.800 and build a new order 0:11:43.800,0:11:49.973 We will begin with those closest to us [ie the most loyal to the regime] like the Igilat area 0:11:49.973,0:11:55.400 We have volunteers, to bring out all the people who want to volunteer and to fight 0:11:55.400,0:12:02.326 Today you volunteer, but tomorrow you will have your wage and your job 0:12:02.326,0:12:06.088 in the Libyan armed forces 0:12:06.088,0:12:11.800 Because our army in the future will be made up of specific tribes, specific areas