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Dialogue: 0,0:00:02.48,0:00:04.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Juan Arellano - Let's talk about free software in Latin America,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.72,0:00:06.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's your opinion?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.86,0:00:14.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Santiago Hoerth - Well, actually, free software is extremely popular in Latin America.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.47,0:00:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is probably the place where it is most popular, regionally.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.56,0:00:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is, to begin with, Brazil and its government's
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.04,0:00:27.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decision to incorporate
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.35,0:00:28.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software for public administration purposes,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.73,0:00:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the support for the local development of free software.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.42,0:00:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also, Venezuela, Ecuador, Argentina,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.95,0:00:43.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Costa Rica is now implementing a new system
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.08,0:00:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where universities are required by law to incorporate free software.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.14,0:00:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, in other countries, free software is also
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.67,0:00:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,growing noticeably, not only through those
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.56,0:00:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who actually use it, who are obviously important
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.72,0:01:02.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and who make free software possible,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.45,0:01:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also through the support of the authorities,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.60,0:01:09.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this case, the government.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.98,0:01:13.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The government supporting free software is
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.55,0:01:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an important encouragement for those who
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.70,0:01:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are trying to develop free software.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.95,0:01:22.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, yes, the outlook of free software in
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.52,0:01:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Latin American region is definitely positive.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.22,0:01:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even though some people still use privative software
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.12,0:01:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on their computers, when it comes to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.12,0:01:35.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies and public administration
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.47,0:01:38.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there has been a noticeable migration towards free
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.11,0:01:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software, and this also includes some universities.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.48,0:01:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What Código Sur does is to encourage
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.42,0:01:47.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,civil society organizations and social movements
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.44,0:01:51.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to incorporate free technologies.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.05,0:01:54.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only free software, but also, once the free software
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.71,0:01:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been incorporated, move on to other types of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.84,0:02:00.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free technologies as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.48,0:02:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a fact that free software has become
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.38,0:02:09.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Latin American movement.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.82,0:02:13.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is so because of the growing support that
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.34,0:02:16.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software has received from different areas.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.36,0:02:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the prospects in Latin America for free software
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.44,0:02:22.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are that free software will continue to grow,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.05,0:02:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will have an even stronger market position,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.52,0:02:28.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and will slowly replace privative software altogether.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.61,0:02:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I always say is that those who are nowadays
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.21,0:02:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working with privative software in most
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.59,0:02:38.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the information technology areas
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.05,0:02:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have their days numbered.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.07,0:02:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because in a short time from now,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.76,0:02:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no one will support privative software.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.14,0:02:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't tell you exactly when.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.14,0:02:56.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is, obviously, a matter of years.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.13,0:02:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could be 5 to 10 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.16,0:03:01.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The growth of free software is unstoppable.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.10,0:03:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JA - Free software, generally...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.55,0:03:10.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are some criticism of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.22,0:03:17.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the one hand, those who develop free software
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.62,0:03:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are quite ...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.63,0:03:22.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can I put it?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.05,0:03:22.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,radical
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.20,0:03:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SH- Aha.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.86,0:03:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JA - ...about its incorporation to the market.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.06,0:03:29.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on the other hand, I've also read
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.96,0:03:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that free software simply copies
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.68,0:03:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,privative software, and provides the free software
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.24,0:03:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,version, and that it lacks originality.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.88,0:03:43.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What can you tell me about all this?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.06,0:03:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SH - Well, the first thing I can tell you is that
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.20,0:03:49.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no, that free software is original to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.51,0:03:51.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a very large extent.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.29,0:03:53.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm going to use Firefox as an example,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.41,0:03:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a web browser of the Mozila Foundation,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.48,0:04:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is free software.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.30,0:04:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the struggle that took place between
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.97,0:04:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the browsers in the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.22,0:04:10.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Internet Explorer had 98% of the market share
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.74,0:04:15.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two years ago. Nowadays it is starting to fall,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.90,0:04:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it already lost 40% of the market share.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.24,0:04:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It approximately has 60% of the market share now.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.50,0:04:27.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When Firefox was launched, one of the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.86,0:04:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,improvements, related to Internet Explorer,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.66,0:04:36.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was that, I don't know if you remember,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.44,0:04:39.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a few years ago with Internet Explorer 5 and 6
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.65,0:04:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you wanted to open a new window,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.22,0:04:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you had to literally open a new window,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.06,0:04:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if you wanted to use several pages
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.02,0:04:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the same time, we had to open 30 windows
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.48,0:04:53.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our operating system, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.49,0:04:54.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Different windows. Each one in a different
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.82,0:04:57.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Internet Explorer window.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.12,0:04:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Firefox said, "I think it'll be a good idea to
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.79,0:05:01.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solve this with a few tabs".
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.67,0:05:05.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it started the idea of tabs for the browsing
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.78,0:05:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of different web pages.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.71,0:05:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So one could have 30 tabs open
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.40,0:05:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in only one Firefox window.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.68,0:05:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Automatically, Internet Explorer, on its 7th version,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.56,0:05:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I'm not mistaken, what was its next step?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.24,0:05:23.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adding tabs to its browser, wasn't it?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.87,0:05:27.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because the way Firefox was working
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.14,0:05:29.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was obviously more functional.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.59,0:05:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,80% of the Internet, approximately, it is not an
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.20,0:05:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exact figure, but it is around that number,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.08,0:05:38.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,works through free software.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.09,0:05:41.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Apache is the number one web server.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.59,0:05:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most of the e-mail addresses are free software.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.53,0:05:55.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And regarding what you said about the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.07,0:06:00.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'copying of the privative software', I think
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.15,0:06:05.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is not imitation what we could find but attention
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.96,0:06:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the needs of all those who use the product, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.68,0:06:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, Photoshop is not very similar to
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.80,0:06:20.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GIMP, regarding presentation and the way some
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.56,0:06:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things are done. But it allows you to do--
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.24,0:06:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, the results are practically the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.68,0:06:29.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same happens with Inkscape and Illustrator
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.98,0:06:32.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other Adobe programs.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.95,0:06:35.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a lot of programs that are
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.52,0:06:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,characteristic of a certaing area, for example
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.52,0:06:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,video or audio, and therefore a large
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.00,0:06:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,number of users would be used to a specific software.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.42,0:06:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the aim would be to keep the learning process
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.01,0:06:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very close to what people already know,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.18,0:06:58.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so as not to drive them crazy and to increase the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.10,0:07:01.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potential penetration rates of the free software
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.26,0:07:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on users of privative platforms.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.98,0:07:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I think it is not really 'copying',
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.46,0:07:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but rather some projects trying to achieve a
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.10,0:07:15.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certain level of comparison so new users
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.27,0:07:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would not have any problems when learning
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.83,0:07:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to use the tools.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.02,0:07:21.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, actually, free software is much more
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.73,0:07:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,innovative than privative software.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.76,0:07:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many of the numerous developments that are taking
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.90,0:07:31.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,place are not even present in privative software.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.57,0:07:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JA- Ah, OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.27,0:07:35.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I also mentioned the activists of
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.45,0:07:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software being referred to as "radical".
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.50,0:07:38.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SH- Right, yes, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.63,0:07:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, radicalization, I think, has to do with
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.76,0:07:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being aware of what is happening with
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.68,0:07:53.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies and people who develop privative software.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.56,0:07:56.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is it that happens when one uses
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.33,0:07:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,privative software?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.18,0:08:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it is not a simple matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.28,0:08:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the contrary, one does not have any
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.52,0:08:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,control over what one is doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.65,0:08:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the purpose of radicalization is to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.20,0:08:12.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make people understand the reasons
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.57,0:08:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we talk about technology, we
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.32,0:08:20.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,necessarily have to talk about freedom.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.82,0:08:25.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that freedom is translated in the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.15,0:08:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possibilities and freedoms that
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.78,0:08:31.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the software I'm using provides me with.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.95,0:08:34.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If a software does not let me see the source code
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.25,0:08:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is no way to audit it and know
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.72,0:08:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exactly what that source code does.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.34,0:08:42.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a thing that happens--
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.72,0:08:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if at some point, to those who
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.32,0:08:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use Windows, for example, when trying
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.88,0:08:50.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to install a program they get a notification
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.84,0:08:54.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that says: "This software in not validated by
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.74,0:08:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft. Do you still want to install it?"
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.08,0:08:58.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JA- Aha.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.93,0:09:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SH- If us, as developers, want Microsoft to
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.44,0:09:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,validate one of our softwares,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.24,0:09:10.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we need to do is send it to them,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.33,0:09:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,send the source code for them to analyse it,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.24,0:09:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the application that they approve is
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.72,0:09:20.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,returned to us as a compilation.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.91,0:09:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does a "compilation" mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.60,0:09:23.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That we can no longer see how that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.90,0:09:25.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software is done, because we can no longer
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.60,0:09:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have access to the code. It is a compilation,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.62,0:09:30.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is closed, a package, we can no longer open it.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.65,0:09:32.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is what they allow you to introduce,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.83,0:09:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a validated product, into their system.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.58,0:09:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JA- Which could be completely different
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.62,0:09:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the one that you sent.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.47,0:09:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SH - And you don't know what it is that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.57,0:09:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they changed, exactly.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.29,0:09:42.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't know what they they did
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.05,0:09:43.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to it, because they send it as a compilation.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.75,0:09:46.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, from this point of view, what does
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.62,0:09:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it really mean to de radical?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.15,0:09:53.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is being radical making people aware of how much
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.29,0:09:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proprietary software is damaging society?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.36,0:09:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or are they people that--
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.79,0:10:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leaving aside any internal problems among
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.51,0:10:05.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software supporters, and that some people
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.21,0:10:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be more radical or more closed-minded.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.60,0:10:10.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, generally, the free software movement's
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.05,0:10:12.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,main purpose is for people to see what really
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.79,0:10:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happens when they use privative software
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.28,0:10:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what are the advantages and possibilities
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.08,0:10:21.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of using free software.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.35,0:10:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm not simply referring to technology, but
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.50,0:10:26.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to society as a whole. With either one of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.55,0:10:29.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Socially, when we use privative software, we
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.65,0:10:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,depend on the person or the company
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.20,0:10:37.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that develops it. We will never be free
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.69,0:10:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the company that develops a
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.33,0:10:42.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certain software which we can't access.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.93,0:10:45.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Free software, on the other hand, can be
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.81,0:10:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,developed through a specific company
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.64,0:10:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if in the future, for whatever reason, you don't
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.12,0:10:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to continue working with that company,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.98,0:10:55.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can hire a different one to continue
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.17,0:10:57.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,developing it, because the source code
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.30,0:10:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be available to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.75,0:11:04.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, radicalization has to do with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.96,0:11:08.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In some places where human rights are
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.18,0:11:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being violated, there are people who are
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.16,0:11:12.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extremelly radical exactly because of that,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.95,0:11:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are defending human life.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.84,0:11:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can translate this into the position that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.66,0:11:23.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the activists of free software have.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.34,0:11:25.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JA- Aha, OK. Than you Santiago.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.35,0:11:26.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SH - Pura vida