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(amara - Amara Town Hall [up to 0:01:38])

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(main screen shows Jules Rincón)

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(amara - Amara Town Hall [up to 0:04:17])

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(Subpage of Jules Rincón's Google+ page)

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(Jules Rincón's Google+ page)

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(Dean Jansen, mute [up to 0:04:35])

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(Main screen: CART with CART testing texts [up to 0:05:13])

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[Metallic voices, lots of static]

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(Main screen: CART with CART testing texts)

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[Dean Jansen] Hey everyone! We're just about to get started here.

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This is Dean. We're trying to get some CART online for folks who are deaf or [audio stops]

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[Dean Jansen] And I just had the YouTube video open in the other screen,

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so I started hearing my own voice.

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Hem, let's see: Michael Lockrey is having us get CART working

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and you can see his screen right now, so hopefully we're going to start getting that -

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Ah, there it goes, I think.

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Hem, and then we've just got a couple other things to get going.

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Jules has her sound working, she's in a bit of a noisy environment,

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so I'll be doing much of the - much of the talking,

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but we'll definitely want to hear a little bit from Jules, as long as things don't get to loud there.

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I'm being told that my microphone is a bit low. Can folks hear me OK?

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And you should definitely set the capt- errh, the comments in the YouTube video

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to display automatic updates.

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There is - I see already a lot of folks in there commenting,

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Darren, Claude, Seelan, Burgertester (?), lots of different folks.

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We have 17 people who are watching right now.

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OK.

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And Jules, do you - are you able to say hi now?

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You've got your - your - you've got your [inaudibe]

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[Jules Rincón] Hello, hi. I'm [inaudible] I'm Jules [inaudible]

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for answering your e-mail [inaudible]

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[Dean Jansen] OK. That was a bit choppy.

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Let's see. OK, well, let me pull up a quick -

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sorry that we're not totally running: we are just coming, getting all the technology going,

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this is still pretty new for all of us.

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Is the CART in full - in full effect now?
Still can't tell.

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And can other folks in the, in - Jules was mentioning that the volume's a bit low.

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Are people on YouTube able to hear me OK?

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OK. I see a lot of people saying they can hear me OK.

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Now I think we just need to get this CART going and we're going to be ready to go.

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Hem -

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And is that - is the CART the main thing that's showing on the YouTube screen right now?

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Yes, it is.

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I mean to get the presentation pulled up and I will show a link to everyone

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so that you can have multiple windows open in case you want to watch the CART

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and also follow along the presentations at the same time.

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Hem, actually, maybe Darren - Darren, could you show that link in - can you share that link

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in the YouTube video - in the YouTube comments?

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Now there is a published link I believe. OK, cool, thanks.

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We've got that coming, I'm going to get it up on my screen now.

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I have, like, more screens than I think I've ever had going at one time here, so -

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[inaudible: bear with us?] and once we get the CART going,

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I think we'll be ready to do some introductions and be ready to take off here.

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And for anyone who is able to listen in

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and can relay some of this information in the comments, that's really helpful.

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Much appreciated.
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OK, let's see: I believe we're getting closer and closer.
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I'm in a message (?) Michael is speaking on the CART right now.

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Let's see how that's going.

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[Typing noises up to 0:10:37]
(CART: Caption screen share test screen. Further testing of caption reseizing)

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OK We're doing caption sizing testing right now
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(CART: "further testing of caption sizing resizing caption screen to fit viewing window")

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[Dean Jansen] OK. Alright, so we just have the -

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the CART operator has joined the - the hangout

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and so now he should have the audio feed.

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[typing noises up to 0:12:05]
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[Dean Jansen] OK

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(Beginning of CC subs based on the CART transcript: the CC subs are sync'd with the audio )
[Dean Jansen] Thanks, everyone for bearing with us here.

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We have 11 viewers right now.

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Darren and Jules, If you want to update the banner on the website

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- [inaudible] this is happening right now - that might be worthwhile

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and just update it with the direct link to the you tube video.

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[Dean Jansen] OK, I think I'm starting to see some of the CART text showing up.

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(onscreen: previous CART text showing)
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[Dean Jansen]: I think we're ready to go.

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I am going to wait until I see the CART update to really get started.

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Darren is putting the announcement up on the Amara website right now

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so folks can join in if they are free.

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Okay. I see some text coming up. Which seems like good news.

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So, thank you, all, for joining. Right now we have 13 folks watching.

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And I wanted to start this out. Let me pull up my agenda real quick.

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I just wanted to start this out.

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Actually Jules was going to be starting this out for us.

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She is - you can see her thumbnail in the bottom section of the screeen

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She - her internet connection has been going on and off - she is a very noisy coffee house, still helping out.

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She is going to be in the comments along with Darren.

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So, I wanted to start out by saying thanks to all of the folks

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who have helped make this possible, including Michael Lockrey,

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who is - his is the screen showing the cart text right now, which is fantastic.

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Jules helped get this whole thing organized.

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Darren has been involved from the beginning.

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And then, even a bigger thanks goes out to the community and volunteers,

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the people who are here right now

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as well as the folks who are - weren't able to make it,

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who are on Amara doing captions, translations, subtitles.

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Some folks are promoting and sharing,

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we have people on the Captions Requested and the Music Captioning teams

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doing a lot of great work and translation happening all over‑the‑board.

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Really exciting stuff.

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So I think that - that's how we wanted to open this,

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just by saying thank you to everyone who has been involved

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in making Amara such a success.

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Jules was going to introduce herself but again since it's so noisy

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I'll do a quick introduction for Jules.

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She has been doing a fantastic job of community advocacy

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and support for Amara for - I don't know - getting close to a year now

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‑ probably a little less than that ‑ but she has been, you know, working from South America

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and now she's here in the US with us and has been doing a great job on that.

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Darren has also been doing a lot in the community advocacy

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and support side of things

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and has also been working with me on some of the business stuff

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which I'm going to talk very briefly about.

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And then, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Dean.

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I'm one of the co-founders of Amara and my title is Outreach and Business Development director,

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which in the context of a non-profit organization, because Amara is built by a non-profit,

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the Participatory Culture Foundation, business development really means

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finding a way to make this nonprofit and mission-driven project and piece of software sustainable

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so that we can support our developers as they build the tools out

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and make sure that we are able to keep the servers on and everything.

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So, moving forward I will give a quick overview of the meeting,

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where we'll start getting more and more interactive as it goes on.

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But at the beginning, I'¨d like to do a brief slide presentation

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that I hope people are excited about, because it's -

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which I think will answer a lot of outstanding questions

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and hopefully get people excited about the future of Amara. We certainly are.

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The other thing that I wanted to do

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before we went to a full open question and answer

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is that we asked people to talk about their big questions,

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some of the features they would like to see,

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some of the issues they were facing in the forum posts.

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And so there are a couple of highlights there we'd like to go over.

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And once we do that, then I think it would be great to do a full open Q‑A

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over the comments in the YouTube video.

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And then once we do that, we'll wrap it up.

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So we are expecting to be done ‑

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we should probably finish in the next 40 minutes.

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So we've had an hour schedule for the full meeting.

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So let's start into that slide presentation and for anyone -

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I'm going to spell this out so folks can join this URL in case they don't see it in the comments.

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It's http://goo.gl/gPdZe . That's a shortened Google URL and it's also in the comments

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That's probably the easiest way to get to it, but I just wanted to spell it out there.

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OK, so I'm going to switch my screen

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and so you will be able to see which slide I'm looking at, at the bottom of the YouTube video.

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I'm also just going to say every time I switch a page,

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but I just wanted to make sure that if anyone is watching the CART, they're able to easily stick with that.

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So I'm going to give everyone just a second to make sure they can load up that slide show,

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and if anyone is having trouble, please just comment in the YouTube comments.

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and if you turn on automatic commenting, then you'll see that updates in real time:

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it's basically just like a chat.

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And so it should say "Amara Town Hall" and have the big green Amara logo in the center of it.

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That's the first slide and I'm actually just going to check the - the chat window

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to make sure that folks are able to get in.

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Someone is saying that my audio is screwed up.

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Did someone have that link? I'm just going to [inaudible] that google link

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Going to a new caption window. Okay.

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Now the cart appears to be back online. Yes, we will be ready to go again now.

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So let's all start on slide number 1.

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If anyone needs that URL please just ask in the comments if you don't have it

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and we will figure out a way to share it with you.

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That was a big oversight on our part, sorry.

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Slide number 1. I will switch my screen share back to that quickly. Here we go.

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If we go on to slide 2, there are a couple of important notes.

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They are about the mock ups.

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The slide presentation is maybe 10 slides long. It's almost purely visual.

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These are not 100 per cent final. They are mixed representations.

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We were trying to show the most functionality

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in the fewest number of screens possible.

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You may see screens from like a team video –

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a feature that would normally be exclusive to an openly translated video.

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We won't be forcing every video to be on a team or anything like that.

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It's just an artefact of us trying to get

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as much functionality into the slides as possible.

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If we skip to the third slide, it's a TED screen that says "let's get started".

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The section below shows a video.

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Right now people are used to seeing tasks and video tabs.

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We will try to simplify here.

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I will tell a story about a new type of work flow and collaboration

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that we're envisioning for Amara in the future.

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This is something that we have just started building now.

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It is not going to be ready tomorrow but we do want to release this stuff soon.

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The reason we are share it now is so we can start to get feedback ahead of time,

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because we think it's very important to ‑

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I know folks in the community have asked for increased transparency

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and we think that's really important. So this is part of that.

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Just hearing what you guys have to say,

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sharing some of what we have been working on

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and get you guys' opinions, your thoughts, your feedback ahead of time.

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I will paint a picture of what we're envisioning

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for the future of the collaboration on Amara.

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I hope a lot of the questions that were open will be answered.

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We will answer some more questions that we had

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that we don't think are addressed by this and then do some live Q and A

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for any of the things that get missed from this presentation.

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The first screen is the dashboard.

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The idea is that as soon as a person comes to ‑

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whether it's a team that's moderated like the way TED is

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or whether it's a more open team

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like the Music Captioning team or the NewsHour team.

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The idea is that when we are doing teams

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we want people to find projects quickly that they can work on.

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The next slide, slide 4, the only thing that has changed is there is a help hover.

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The question mark near the "my projects" header.

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The idea here is we want to start building some of the documentation

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and help into the interface so you don't have to go elsewhere to learn,

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what does it mean to sign off on something

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or what does it mean to create subtitles

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or make a peer review or something like that.

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The three languages needed hover down below shows

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that this particular video still hasn't had three languages completed on it.

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The next slide, slide 5, this is where we show

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some of the past work that someone has done.

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This view shows an individual team,

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but you can imagine this being a list of everything

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someone has worked on in open Amara plus different teams

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and an overall profile of what have I collaborated on,

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what is still going on that other people are working on,

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what have I done in the past and giving people a better overview

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of how they have contributed to different projects.

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Let's see. Are we still ‑ we still have CART. I wanted to double check.

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I have the ‑ I will scoot this over to the side. A lot of windows here.

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so you can quickly see who made different revisions,

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that will make things easier to compare together

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but that's still under development.

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this is something that I actually wished I had Craig,

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who is our product director, here to discuss,

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the driving force behind this new interface.

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I will do my best to talk about it. Some of these things have been updated.

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you might not have that sign‑off button.

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where someone is guided through

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with some instructions on how to do it.

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Slide 7 ‑ that's a closer up‑view of the new layout here.

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there are 21 characters at 5.25 characters per second.

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have requested this feature. That was slide 12.

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I'm realizing we don't have the new timing interface mock ups.

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That is still something that is fairly raw.

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Jules just mentioned there is a chat.

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Paul is asking about the smallest screen size.

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of what exact screen resolutions will be supported, et cetera.

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I want to clarify that the other piece of this

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that I don't have here to share you but I think is going to be really exciting

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is right now we're in a place where you can create captions

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I will get to this. We're going to re-enable that.

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That's a question that will come up.

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It's one of the things I'm most excited about.

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I don't think it comes across in this presentation

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but that is something that we're working towards supporting

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which is really important and really adds a lot of flexibility

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Slide 13 is just the end cap. That's the basic presentation.

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And I did have a number of different questions that came up in the forums.

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And I'm really sorry that Jules isn't able to join me on this piece,

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because this has been me talking and talking and talking.

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I don't want to bore folks and sound like I'm the only person talking here,

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but I do think these questions are important to get to

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and we have ‑ we really read carefully and ... yes?

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I'm in the Mozilla offices right now.

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I will answer some of the questions in the forum.

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I will mention who asked them.

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There may be other people who are curious about them.

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some of the questions that came up

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that I don't think were addressed in the slide show.

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We can come back and address other things in realtime.

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There was a question from Booger Bender, Vivian and Claude

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about messaging and outreach.

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Some folks were saying it would be great to highlight

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the nonprofit nature of our project, the open source nature of our project.

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Some other folks were suggesting we did more outreach to deaf communities.

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We think those are both great ideas.

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Our focus right now really is getting this new technology going.

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we will be starting an email newsletter soon,

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and that might be a good place to start highlighting this stuff.

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We would like to tighten up our website

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because I know there are a lot of loose ends

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and it could be better at explaining our mission

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and how the participatory culture foundation works

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and how Amara is totally volunteer driven.

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And up our outreach to deaf communities.

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In the meantime, if there are any folks here who can help us with this,

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we would be more than thrilled to work with you.

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Jules will be very active in the forums.

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If you're not a registered member, please do join.

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We would love to discuss how we can better work together

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to highlight some of these things and outreach to different communities

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and keep stepping up those efforts.

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Another question was about video management,

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which ‑ this is a technical question about the platform.

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Someone was asking about the primary URL, being able to switch away.

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the history of what the primary URL was and to switch that.

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That used to be more ‑ I think that was just a minor bug or hiccup in our development

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and that we're back online about that.

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I would like to double check on that before we confirm that one 100 per cent.

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One other technical thing I can confirm 100 per cent,

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it's about editing and timing of subtitle bubbles.

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They are asking about ending a caption.

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So you press the down arrow to lay down a caption

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you press the down arrow and next one appears immediately

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where the last one left out.

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The secret is the up arrow will cut off the current subtitle being laid down,

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if you want to do a quick caption that says "music playing"

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and then it would stop right there.

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Let me know that that's the right question you were asking. I think it is.

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People consistently ask about full screen.

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Will the widget, the embeddable tab that goes on the bottom of the video ‑

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the majority of these videos, they may be MP4 videos

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but they are playing through a flash player

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and it's taking over the entire experience.

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You can't do HTML overlay or Java on top of that.

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to provide syncing that can link subtitles directly into their video player

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The problem being that you have to be the original uploader

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to do some near full screen overlay.

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But bear in mind that's just a tough technical problem.

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I'm sorry I don't have a more exciting and uplifting answer for that one.

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Another question we had was the original and primary language of video ‑

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what language a video is spoken in.

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So there is spoken dialogue in a video. That's coming up fairly soon.

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There were a couple of features that had existed before

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that people wanted to know about.

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Subtitling directly to a video, pasting in a transcript.

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these are things that our current system, we have hit some different hurdles.

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But they will likely be re‑established in the newer system,

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the stuff I have just shown in the slides.

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I have two more things left and then we can go to open questions.

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Jules mentioned there was a question from Jim Tobias

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that I can try to answer really quickly.

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Will there be a user-focused interface

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that shows teams and videos I have worked on.

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So Jim asked if we're going to be doing a user-focused interface

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that shows ‑ let's say a user dashboard.

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You log in and you see the videos you have worked on

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I'm not remembering the number of the slide. I think it was like 3 or 4.

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Slide number 5 shows past collaborations in the context of a team.

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But we do want to do something similar that goes across teams.

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If you log in and you have contributed to three teams

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plus you have contributed to 20 various videos that are videos on Amara,

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we would like to compile all those things together

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so you can see that all in one place.

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I'm seeing another question:

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Is there any place to add Mozilla to the presently available sign in methods?

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I don't think we have immediate plans to add Mozilla.

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I'm assuming we could potentially do that through MoOff.

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I'm at the Mozilla offices today so I can see if that's a possibility.

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It hadn't come up on our radar yet but we can check into it.

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Another question:

467
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Can we fix the original language if we set it wrongly at first?

468
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
It happened to me once and I struggled in fixing it.

469
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Paula, firstly, I apologize that it's not easier in the current system to do this.

470
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Yes, we definitely want to make that simpler.

471
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Because it's one of those tricky things where the data model

472
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
that we're working on right now

473
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
is something that we created roughly two years ago.

474
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Of course it's not the ideal thing for where we are at with the project right now.

475
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's the first thing that we're working on.

476
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We're very close to having something out

477
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
that will be more flexible in that respect. Thanks for that question.

478
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Feel free to keep asking questions about anything that I have talked about,

479
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
any of the slides, anything that has been missing from the presentation

480
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
or anything you would like to hear about.

481
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Another question was about the different timing in the differences ‑

482
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
a question about editing timing in different languages.

483
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's coming back now.

484
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Ultimately we're excited about that ability to remain

485
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
in the translation interface even if you have changed the timing.

486
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Let's see, we have gotten a lot of good suggestions on the product front.

487
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I'm not sure if I'm saying this name right

488
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
but Diomides had good suggestions for hot keys and functionality

489
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I have passed on to the development team.

490
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
One suggestion that was put forth

491
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
was the ability to change the speed in the video play back.

492
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Right now that's difficult with our system

493
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
because we aren't hosting the videos

494
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and it's all done through the HTML and Java script.

495
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
There may come a time when we are able to start doing that,

496
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
specially as HTML5 becomes more powerful and that technology grows.

497
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But right now that is going to be a tough one.

498
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But some of the other things ‑ there is a suggestion for a hot key

499
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to skip to lines that haven't been translated yet.

500
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's a really great suggestion.

501
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We will definitely try to get that in there

502
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and a couple of those other things too.

503
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We have another question coming in.

504
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
This name is very difficult. I won't be able to say it without butchering it. I

505
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
t says: Has there been any thought to providing interactive transcripts?

506
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's the kind of thing where you see the video.

507
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Yes, TED dotcom has an example.

508
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We have been working on this.

509
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I wish we could enable link sharing.

510
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We need to look into whether we can enable links in the you tube comments.

511
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We do have a sample of that. An interactive transcript player.

512
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You're watching the video and see the transcripts in a text box.

513
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You can scroll down it and click on the word

514
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and the video will jump to that word and start playing immediately.

515
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You can search through and look for key phrases.

516
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We have something like that that is just coming out of the lab.

517
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Maybe in the forum we can post a link to it.

518
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Darren, can you get that link if you have it?

519
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Do we have other questions?

520
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I'm coming to the end of the questions from the forum posts.

521
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
There may have been a couple that I missed

522
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
so if there is anything on the forum that you left and I didn't get to it,

523
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
please just chime in on the you tube comments.

524
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We will continue to keep an eye on the YouTube comments,

525
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
even after we're done with this

526
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
so if there is anything we missed we can follow up on it

527
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
... it sounds like we're getting closer and closer to the conclusion of this event.

528
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
This has been really exciting. I will check the window.

529
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Here is another question.

530
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
The launch date for the new embedder?

531
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We don't have a solid date yet.

532
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
There are so many things that are hard to predict in what we're doing right now.

533
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Let me see. I'm getting more information on and that question.

534
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That was Joshua.

535
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
The new embedder and whether there is a specific launch date.

536
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's the embedder with the interactive transcripts.

537
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
It's out in Beta form right now.

538
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We will share on the forums how to use that. I

539
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
t's still experimental so it's not perfect

540
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
but it's not anything that will ever mess up subtitle data or anything like that.

541
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
It's a piece of code that we're comfortable share

542
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
being folks saying use this in situations that are not mission-critical

543
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and check it out, see what people think.

544
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So we will get that up in the forum and also try to mention

545
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
once we do in the YouTube comments.

546
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Let's see. Another question:

547
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
A very important feature missing, a kind of guideline conflict or warnings

548
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
like sentences larger than 70 characters,

549
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
smaller than 1.5 seconds, et cetera.

550
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's a really great idea. If I understand it right, we should ‑

551
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
let's continue that thread in the forums so we can develop that idea further.

552
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Just so that I know and our team knows exactly what you're suggesting here.

553
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But I think the idea sounds good, something that gives some highlights

554
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
if maybe you have things that seem like

555
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
they may be less than optimal for captions or subtitles.

556
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's a really good idea.

557
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Dumovney asks another question:

558
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Has there been thought given to providing video description?

559
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We have definitely talked about it.

560
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
It's something that, you know, with this new system that we're building,

561
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
once we're there we will be in a much better position

562
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to start think being both video description as well as dubbing

563
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
or voiceover translation.

564
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Both of which we think could be exciting, important pieces

565
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to the puzzle for greater accessibility

566
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
both for folks who are blind or have visual impairments

567
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
or people who, let's say, don't read ‑ they speak a different language

568
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
than the video is in and also don't read their primary language particularly well,

569
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
this could be really great for increasing accessibility there as well.

570
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Okay. Let's see. There was another question. Another question:

571
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Why was it kept a secret the way the up arrow was a way to cut the subtitle

572
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
instead of using the down carry key. It wasn't really a secret.

573
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
It was a lack of time to update the documentation.

574
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We have been crazy busy with a lot of different projects

575
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and hadn't had time to update the instructions

576
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
on the interface on the side bar.

577
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We're not trying to keep secrets or leave Easter eggs lying around,

578
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
it was just that that didn't get as widely published as it should have.

579
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
My apologies for that.

580
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We will try to make sure we have a comprehensive list

581
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
of all of the keyboard short cuts.

582
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
All right. We're getting close to the hour. Let's see.

583
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Do we have any other questions before we cap this discussion?

584
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Let's see, just so ‑

585
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I don't know if it says how many was the largest number of viewers

586
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
but I have seen that we have had between 16 and 17 viewers,

587
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
which is pretty cool.

588
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Okay. We have one more. From Lavney:

589
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
It says on video description adds deaf blind people would benefit

590
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
from seeing video description as text rather than as audio.

591
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Ah, yes, I think I was misunderstanding you.

592
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think sometimes video and audio description terminology

593
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
is confusing for me, my apologies, I may have been mixing that up.

594
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think there are a lot of different things that we can do f

595
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
from the perspective of accessibility, that we should ‑ we would like to ‑

596
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think a lot of this just needs to be unpacked for us.

597
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We put a lot of effort and time into trying to figure out

598
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
what the best approach is to accomplish ‑

599
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to keep a simple interface that is something that is approachable

600
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
by people who are both young and old

601
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
in order to start creating subtitles and start creating captions and translate things.

602
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We also want to make sure that we're being as inclusive as possible

603
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
with the interfaces,

604
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
with the things that people are creating through the interfaces.

605
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And to be honest, it's a big, big job to understand

606
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
what the universe of accessibility means.

607
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
This is a really good opportunity to ask you guys to help us learn more

608
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and understand better how we can support

609
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
all of these different uses and use cases.

610
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think a lot of this conversation that we're having right now,

611
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
these sorts of seeds, could really blossom on the forum.

612
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I'm hoping we can continue these conversations so we can learn more

613
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
about what folks are thinking might be the most effective sort of approach

614
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to some of these issues.

615
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I totally appreciate everyone's time and effort and thought

616
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
on helping us walk through these.

617
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Two more and then we will cap it after that.

618
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So Claude asks: Could you talk about the future chat feature, please?

619
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think I will need more clarification on that.

620
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Maybe we could just take care of that in the forum as well.

621
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And discuss that one in the comments or the forum.

622
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Okay, Alex asks: We Chinese need double subtitling display on team.

623
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Could you implement that?

624
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Double means showing both English and Chinese subs

625
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
in two lines simultaneously. Alex Mo.

626
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's another thing that there are ‑ that is another piece

627
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
outside of the accessibility thing that I was just talking about.

628
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
This is something that I think we should definitely discuss

629
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
so that we can better understand how something like this

630
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
might work in the system, given all of the different ‑

631
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the challenges that we're facing of keeping the software usable and simple

632
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
from the perspective of it has to work on as many languages as possible,

633
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
how can we accomplish what you're asking about with Amara.

634
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think we can definitely find a way to do it.

635
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But I don't have an answer off the top of my head.

636
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Partly because I'm not someone who speaks English and Chinese

637
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and so figuring out exactly how ‑ what the expectation is

638
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and how something like that would work,

639
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
we definitely just need to get a little bit more information

640
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and I think we can and should be able to figure out something.

641
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I will answer one last question:

642
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Seelan: are there plans to auto-sync subs to videos on YouTube.

643
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We have created many of these

644
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
but people can't up load them on and to YouTube sourced.

645
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I'm not sure I totally understand that one.

646
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Right now we're sync one direction from Amara.

647
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We do grab subtitles and captions from YouTube

648
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and we're just now starting to sync them back to YouTube,

649
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
as long as you're the creator of the video on YouTube you can do that.

650
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think we're on the right track there.

651
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
If I'm not understanding that correctly we should also

652
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
carry that discussion forward in the forum as well.

653
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
(pause)

654
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
okay. Sorry, I'm just seeing people typing things

655
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and want to make sure I have got this all down correctly.

656
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
All right. I think we should make sure to just continue these conversations

657
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and I know there are a couple at the end that I semi‑dodged

658
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
but I want to ensure we are able to address those

659
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and have conversations about how we can expand on those different pieces

660
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and make sure that we're serving as many different communities

661
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
as best as we possibly can.

662
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think that the new editor, the new collaboration model,

663
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
all of the stuff that we have shared and that we're working on right now,

664
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think that will be a major step in that direction.

665
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And that there will still be obviously a lot of room for improvement

666
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and room to grow.

667
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think there are probably a lot of things that we didn't discuss today

668
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
that have to do with how do we ‑ how do we best represent

669
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
what volunteers have done, how do we show,

670
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
this is a set of captions done primarily by this user but also this user helped.

671
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's a big question and thing we have started to think about

672
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
but that is so huge that we want to make sure

673
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
we have the communities' voice and support and heart in

674
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
as we move forward on it.

675
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's another big thing and maybe that's a topic for the next town hall meeting.

676
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Thank you so much to everyone who participated.

677
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I see that our viewership has dropped off a little bit.

678
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Thank you to Michael for bringing CART into the ‑ into the picture.

679
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Thank you to the CART operator for actually providing CART, totally amazing.

680
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Jules and Darren, thank you for helping DJ the comments

681
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and get this whole thing off the ground.

682
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And of course thanks to everyone who is here right now

683
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and who wasn't able to make it,

684
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
who has been helping us to make Amara such an amazing project and tool.

685
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And everything that it has become.

686
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So, thank you, all.

687
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We will do this again ‑ I'm not sure exactly when.

688
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But let's talk about it in the forums and discuss

689
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
when we do want to do it again and what we thought worked

690
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and what we thought didn't and how we can improve on this process.

691
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So thank you, all.

692
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
(town hall ends)