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(amara - Amara Town Hall [up to 0:01:38])

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(main screen shows Jules Rincón)

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(amara - Amara Town Hall [up to 0:04:17])

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(Subpage of Jules Rincón's Google+ page)

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(Jules Rincón's Google+ page)

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(Dean Jansen, mute [up to 0:04:35])

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(Main screen: CART with CART testing texts [up to 0:05:13])

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[Metallic voices, lots of static]

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(Main screen: CART with CART testing texts)

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[Dean Jansen] Hey everyone! We're just about to get started here.

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This is Dean. We're trying to get some CART online for folks who are deaf or [audio stops]

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[Dean Jansen] And I just had the YouTube video open in the other screen,

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so I started hearing my own voice.

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Hem, let's see: Michael Lockrey is having us get CART working

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and you can see his screen right now, so hopefully we're going to start getting that -

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Ah, there it goes, I think.

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Hem, and then we've just got a couple other things to get going.

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Jules has her sound working, she's in a bit of a noisy environment,

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so I'll be doing much of the - much of the talking,

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but we'll definitely want to hear a little bit from Jules, as long as things don't get to loud there.

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I'm being told that my microphone is a bit low. Can folks hear me OK?

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And you should definitely set the capt- errh, the comments in the YouTube video

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to display automatic updates.

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There is - I see already a lot of folks in there commenting,

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Darren, Claude, Seelan, burgertester, lots of different folks.

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We have 17 people who are watching right now.

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OK.

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And Jules, do you - are you able to say hi now?

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You've got your - your - you've got your [inaudibe]

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[Jules Rincón] Hello, hi. I'm [inaudible] I'm Jules [inaudible]

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for answering your e-mail [inaudible]

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[Dean Jansen] OK. That was a bit choppy.

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Let's see. OK, well, let me pull up a quick -

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sorry that we're not totally running: we are just coming, getting all the technology going,

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this is still pretty new for all of us.

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Is the CART in full - in full effect now?
Still can't tell.

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And can other folks in the, in - Jules was mentioning that the volume's a bit low.

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Are people on YouTube able to hear me OK?

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OK. I see a lot of people saying they can hear me OK.

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Now I think we just need to get this CART going and we're going to be ready to go.

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Hem -

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And is that - is the CART the main thing that's showing on the YouTube screen right now?

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Yes, it is.

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I mean to get the presentation pulled up and I will show a link to everyone

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so that you can have multiple windows open in case you want to watch the CART

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and also follow along the presentations at the same time.

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Hem, actually, maybe Darren - Darren, could you show that link in - can you share that link

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in the YouTube video - in the YouTube comments?

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Now there is a published link I believe. OK, cool, thanks.

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We've got that coming, I'm going to get it up on my screen now.

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I have, like, more screens than I think I've ever had going at one time here, so -

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[inaudible: bear with us?] and once we get the CART going,

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I think we'll be ready to do some introductions and be ready to take off here.

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And for anyone who is able to listen in

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and can relay some of this information in the comments, that's really helpful.

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Much appreciated.
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OK, let's see: I believe we're getting closer and closer.
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I'm in a message (?) Michael is speaking on the CART right now.

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Let's see how that's going.

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[Typing noises up to 0:10:37]
(CART: Caption screen share test screen. Further testing of caption reseizing)

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OK We're doing caption sizing testing right now
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(CART: "further testing of caption sizing resizing caption screen to fit viewing window")

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[Dean Jansen] OK. Alright, so we just have the -

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the CART operator has joined the - the hangout

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and so now he should have the audio feed.

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[typing noises up to 0:12:05]
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[Dean Jansen] OK

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typing noises]
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(Beginning of CC subs based on the CART transcript: the CC subs are sync'd with the audio )
[Dean Jansen] Thanks, everyone for bearing with us here.

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We have 11 viewers right now.

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Darren and Jules, If you want to update the banner on the website

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- [inaudible] this is happening right now - that might be worthwhile

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and just update it with the direct link to the you tube video.

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[Dean Jansen] OK, I think I'm starting to see some of the CART text showing up.

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(onscreen: previous CART text showing)
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[Dean Jansen]: I think we're ready to go.

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I am going to wait until I see the CART update to really get started.

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Darren is putting the announcement up on the Amara website right now

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so folks can join in if they are free.

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Okay. I see some text coming up. Which seems like good news.

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So, thank you, all, for joining. Right now we have 13 folks watching.

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And I wanted to start this out. Let me pull up my agenda real quick.

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I just wanted to start this out.

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Actually Jules was going to be starting this out for us.

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She is - you can see her thumbnail in the bottom section of the screeen

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She - her internet connection has been going on and off - she is a very noisy coffee house, still helping out.

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She is going to be in the comments along with Darren.

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So, I wanted to start out by saying thanks to all of the folks

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who have helped make this possible, including Michael Lockrey,

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who is - his is the screen showing the cart text right now, which is fantastic.

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Jules helped get this whole thing organized.

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Darren has been involved from the beginning.

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And then, even a bigger thanks goes out to the community and volunteers,

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the people who are here right now

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as well as the folks who are - weren't able to make it,

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who are on Amara doing captions, translations, subtitles.

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Some folks are promoting and sharing,

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we have people on the Captions Requested and the Music Captioning teams

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doing a lot of great work and translation happening all over‑the‑board.

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Really exciting stuff.

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So I think that - that's how we wanted to open this,

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just by saying thank you to everyone who has been involved

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in making Amara such a success.

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Jules was going to introduce herself but again since it's so noisy

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I'll do a quick introduction for Jules.

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She has been doing a fantastic job of community advocacy

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and support for Amara for - I don't know - getting close to a year now

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‑ probably a little less than that ‑ but she has been, you know, working from South America

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and now she's here in the US with us and has been doing a great job on that.

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Darren has also been doing a lot in the community advocacy

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and support side of things

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and has also been working with me on some of the business stuff

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which I'm going to talk very briefly about.

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And then, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Dean.

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I'm one of the co-founders of Amara and my title is Outreach and Business Development director,

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which in the context of a non-profit organization, because Amara is built by a non-profit,

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the Participatory Culture Foundation, business development really means

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finding a way to make this nonprofit and mission-driven project and piece of software sustainable

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so that we can support our developers as they build the tools out

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and make sure that we are able to keep the servers on and everything.

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So, moving forward I will give a quick overview of the meeting,

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where we'll start getting more and more interactive as it goes on.

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But at the beginning, I'¨d like to do a brief slide presentation

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that I hope people are excited about, because it's -

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We'll share just a few pieces of what is to come in Amara

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which I think will answer a lot of outstanding questions

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and hopefully get people excited about the future of Amara. We certainly are.

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The other thing that I wanted to do

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before we went to a full open question and answer

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is that we asked people to talk about their big questions,

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some of the features they would like to see,

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some of the issues they were facing in the forum posts.

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And so there are a couple of highlights there we'd like to go over.

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And once we do that, then I think it would be great to do a full open Q‑A

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over the comments in the YouTube video.

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And then once we do that, we'll wrap it up.

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So we are expecting to be done ‑

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we should probably finish in the next 40 minutes.

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So we've had an hour schedule for the full meeting.

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So let's start into that slide presentation and for anyone -

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I'm going to spell this out so folks can join this URL in case they don't see it in the comments.

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It's http://goo.gl/gPdZe . That's a shortened Google URL and it's also in the comments

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That's probably the easiest way to get to it, but I just wanted to spell it out there.

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OK, so I'm going to switch my screen

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and so you will be able to see which slide I'm looking at, at the bottom of the YouTube video.

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I'm also just going to say every time I switch a page,

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but I just wanted to make sure that if anyone is watching the CART, they're able to easily stick with that.

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So I'm going to give everyone just a second to make sure they can load up that slide show,

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and if anyone is having trouble, please just comment in the YouTube comments.

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and if you turn on automatic commenting, then you'll see that updates in real time:

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it's basically just like a chat.

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And so it should say "Amara Town Hall" and have the big green Amara logo in the center of it.

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That's the first slide and I'm actually just going to check the - the chat window

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to make sure that folks are able to get in.

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Someone is saying that my audio is screwed up.

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Did someone have that link? I'm just going to [inaudible] that google link

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I'm just going to send that to you in case you want it.

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Sorry.
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[Dean Jansen] OK. Here it comes.
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[Dean Jansen] Hem, I can't tell if the comments are frozen or not.

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There it goes.

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Darren or Jules, are either of you able to put that link into the - into the YouTube video comments?
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[Dean Jansen] Now I'm noticing that the CART is - is not showing up as well.

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Oh oh.

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Darren is saying it doesn't - ah URLs, my goodness.

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OK. So, this is a bit of an oversight. Let me just do something real quick

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to show the URL to folks. Hem, give me half a moment.

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It's funny, when you test these things, it's the small little piece that's going to catch you by surprise.

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So - I've almost got this up and we'll be able to put this on the screen.
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[Dean Jansen] OK. Can everyone see this?

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This is the - this is the shortened link that I mentioned,

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and apparently, it's not possible to share these links inside of - inside of a YouTube comment.

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So we are doing it here.

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And Michael, are we able to get the CART showing up again? I'm going to leave you a chat message.

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OK. Then I want to also check comments. Can someone in the comments with their thumbs up

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if they're able to get into that - that Google short URL just so that I know

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that folks are starting to see the - starting to see the slide deck?

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OK, I just got a note that we're - we're switching from the - the CART screen showing

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to a CART screen for Google Hangout.

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Hem - something more direct that should have less legs.

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And it should be up any moment.

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OK. I think we are back on with the CART now.
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OK, I see a bunch of people saying they see the slides. This is great.

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[Echo from video] OK, I see a bunch of people saying they see the slides. This is great.
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[Dean Jansen] OK. Now that cart appears to be back online, I think we are going to be ready to go again.
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Excellent. OK. Thank you.

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So let's all start on slide number 1.

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And if anyone needs that URL please just ask in the comments if you don't have it

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and we will figure out a way to share it with you.

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That was a big oversight on our part, I'm sorry.

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OK, so, slide number 1, which - actually, I'm going to switch -

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I'm going to switch - I'm going to switch my screen - screen share back to that quickly.

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Here we go.

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So if we go on to slide 2, there are a couple of important notes.

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They are about the mock ups.

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And the slide deck is maybe 10 slides long. So it's sure - it's almost purely visual.

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This is the only text slide, but it's really important to say upfront:

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these aren't 100 per cent final. They are mixed representations.

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We were trying to show the most functionality

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in the fewest number of screens possible.

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So, in other words, you may see some features from a fully moderated, like a team video –

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in the exact same screen as features that would normally be exclusive

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to an openly translated video that wasn't on any team.

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So there's - we're not going to be forcing every video to be on a team or anything like that.

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It's just an artefact of us trying to get

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as much functionality into the slides as possible.

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So if we skip to the third slide, it's a TED screen that says "let's get started".

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And you'll see in the section below that - it shows kind of a dashboard view of videos that need your help.

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Now - right now, I think people are used to seeing tasks in video's tabs.

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We're going to try and be simplifying here.

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And just to give a bit more context before I dive into the specifics here,

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I'm going to kind of tell a story about a new type of work flow and a new type of collaboration

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that we're envisioning for Amara in the future.

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This is something that we've just started building now.

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So it's not going to be ready tomorrow but we do want to release this stuff soon.

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And - and the reason we are share it now is so we can start to get feedback ahead of time,

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because we think it's very important to ‑

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I know folks in the community have asked for increased transparency

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and we think that's really important. So this is part of that:

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just hearing what you guys have to say,

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sharing some of what we have been working on

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and trying to kind of get all - get you guys' opinions, your thoughts, your feedback ahead of time.

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So I'm going to start by just sort of painting this picture of what we're envisioning

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for the future of the collaboration on Amara.

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I think a lot of questions will be answered or at least

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I hope a lot of the questions that were open will be answered.

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We will go ahead and answer some more questions that we had

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that we don't think are addressed by this and then we will do some live Q and A

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for any other things that get missed from this presentation.

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So this first screen, again, is the dashboard.

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The idea is that as soon as a person comes to ‑

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whether it's a team that's moderated like the way TED is

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or whether it's a more open team

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the way that the Music Captioning team is, or the NewsHour team.

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The idea is that when we are doing teams

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we want people to easily be able to find projects quickly that they can work on.

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If you go to the next slide, which is slide 4, the only thing that has changed is there is a little bit of a help hover.

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The question mark that is near the "my projects" header.

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I mean, the idea here is that we want to start building some of that documentation

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and help into the interface so you don't have to go elsewhere to learn,

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what does it mean to sign off on something

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or what does it mean to create subtitles

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or make a peer review or something like that.

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The three languages needed hover down below just shows

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that this particular video still hasn't had three languages completed on it.

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If we go to the next slide, slide 5, this is where we show

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some of the past work that someone has done.

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This view shows an individual team,

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but you can imagine this being a list of everything

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that someone has worked on in the open Amara as well as everything you've done in different teams

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and just sort of their overall profile of "What have I collaborated on?"

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"What is still going on that other people are working on?"

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"What have I done in the past?" and just giving people a better overview

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of how they have contributed to different projects.

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Let's see. I'm going - are we still ‑ we still have CART. I wanted to double check,

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as I'm just - I've got the ‑ I going to scoot this over to the side. Sorry: a lot of windows here.

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OK. So we're on slide 6 right now. This is another - another team view.

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And this is just the videos' tab showing ‑

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so basic filters and generally trying to put work

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that matches someone's language abilities and I realize

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that the languages up the top don't necessarily match in this mock‑up.

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But the idea is that where it says "select your languages"

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that's going to be the filter for what is shown below

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when you have the videos' tab filtered by "all of my languages"

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you would see the things that you had selected, a combination of those things.

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So for translation, that's going to be very helpful.

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And - and I think the other important thing is here is that

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the TED paradigm right now is a very - it's an individual person coming in

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and creating subtitles and peer reviewing.

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And we've taken that model and made it something flexible

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so that when TED does things

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they can have that individual person or translator voice

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that they think is very important and that we want to support them doing,

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but then, when there is a team that needs to be more open

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and more sort of collaborative and dynamic, like the Music Captioning,

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like the Captions Requested team,

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we want to do something that still allows people to do peer review

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but has a more flexible approach

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so you can have multiple people kind of collaborating at the same time.

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A little bit more overlap, but still enough structure so that people can say,

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"Well, this captions still - or this video still needs captions 
so let's make sure we get that done"

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and then once the captions are actually built for the video, then it kind of disappears for the list.

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And other things that need work and need collaboration go up to the top.

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So the idea is to have a flexible model that can work really well with a more -

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a more individualistic sort of approach, as well as a group approach.

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And so if we go to the next slide, slide 7 ‑ this is a new - a mock up of the video page.

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And this, again, is sort of a little bit of an amalgam of different - different things here.

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So you can see, up the top, it says media from TED team.

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So if this was not associated with a team it wouldn't have that button.

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If it weren't a video that were being actively translated or let's say, wasn't part of a team,

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you can see on this side, to the side of the video thumbnail, it says

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subtitles needed in your languages,

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subtitle in French, subtitle in Spanish, apply to team.

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That would be adjusted based on

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you know, whether or not that video was part of a team,

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if it was just open and had been added to Amara as an individual video,

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it may only have the, you know, If there were things in progress,

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how you could help finish those pieces in progress.

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Down below you can see there is a little bit more information around the status of things,

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and again, some things may - may not ever have official review or peer review

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they may just have a couple of different subtitle creators.

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So, it's - we're really working on trying to make the team model

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and the open model work a lot closer together and in concert together.

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If we go to the next slide, which is slide 8, I believe this is just another view ‑

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the original ‑ the slide 7 had subtitles in the bottom just showing the transcript.

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This next one is the activity and chat window.

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So you can see you have a quick overview of who has done what, who has sort of said what,

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and we're combining all of this stuff into a collaboration view

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so you should see you can quickly see who made different revisions,

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who has left comments, et cetera, et cetera.

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If we go to the next slide, which is slide 9, then you'll see the revisions' tab,

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and that's pretty similar to what we have right now.

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And I - we are working on a new diff view

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which will make things easier to compare together

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but that's still under - under development.

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If we go to the next slide, which is slide 10,

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this is something that I actually wished I had Craig,

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who is our product director, here to discuss,

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because he is the one who has been driving ‑

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the driving force behind this new interface.

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I'll do my best to talk about it. And some of these things have been updated.

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And again, if - let's say you weren't on a video that was part of the team,

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you might not have that sign‑off button.

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Well, it might just be a "add thumbs up" to say these captions or subtitles look great.

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But generally speaking, you can see that this interface - let's see - this shows a translation in - in progress.

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But the idea is that we are moving from having a different translation interface

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and different timing interface

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and having these steps to a more fluid way of working

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where someone is guided through

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based on, you know, if we think you are going to be translating

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from English to German because that's how you came in,

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we'll give you - we'll give you the right pieces and right tools from the get go

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with some instructions on how to do it.

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But we're going to give you the ability to change your timing dynamically inside of this view.

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Let's see. Let's go to slide 11 ‑ that just is a little bit of a closer up‑view of the new layout here.

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One thing that we're - that isn't in this mock up but I think is worth mentioning

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is the save button.

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We've - we're working to make saving a little more explicit, a little more automatic

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and something that someone feels like they have more control over,

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because we've definitely gotten feedback that saving is tricky right now.

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If we go to slide 12 ‑ this is another closer‑up view

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showing some more timing information in the side bar

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so you can see for this particular piece it's showing

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there are 21 characters at 5.25 characters per second.

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A lot of people who have come from the subtitling and captioning worlds

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have requested this feature.

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Actually, we had some new timing -

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So that was slide 12 that we're on. I don't know if I mentioned the slide switch, I'm sorry -

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I'm realizing we don't have the new timing - the new timing interface mock ups.

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And that's still something that is fairly raw.

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Let's see: I'm seeing - Jules just mentioned there is a chat.

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Paul is asking what's the smallest screen size that is usable for the new interface.

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That's something that we are still kind of working at, at this point.

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We've talked about having the ability to zip the video up,

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so that you could just see the lower third of the video

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and have all of the timing and translation stuff show below

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in order to save space.

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This - this particular layout is going to be

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something where you can close some of the side bars.

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So if you want to kind of close things down so there is no horizontal scrolling,

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you can do that. If you're on a screen that's smaller.

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But we - this is still fairly early, it's not built in HTML yet.

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So we haven't gotten down to the nuts and bolts

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of what the screen resolutions - what exact screen resolutions will be supported, et cetera.

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So let's see, before we get too off ‑

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before we start doing too many question and answers,

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I just want to clarify that the other piece of this

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that I don't have here to share you but I think is going to be really exciting

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is right now we're in a place where you can create captions

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you can time captions and subtitles, you can translate from a set of subtitles.

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But if you want to change the timing of that new translated set of subtitles ‑

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We've - we're - I will get to this. We're going to re-enable that,

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and that's a question that will come up.

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But we want to make it so that you can now -

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so right now if you edit the timing on that translation,

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then you're going to no longer have a translation,

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you are out of the translation interface

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and just solely in the creating subtitles interface.

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This new system will allow us to compare side by side

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differently timed - differently timed translations and subtitles.

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So if you have English to start with, and you translate into Spanish,

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and then you want to change ‑

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you want to add a couple of lines in the Spanish side

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and you want to shorten some of the subtitles,

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then you are actually able to still compare English and Spanish next to one another.

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And that's one of the things that I think

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is going to be incredibly powerful about this new system.

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It's one of the things I'm most excited about.

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I want to make sure that - I don't think it comes across in this presentation

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but that is something that we're working towards supporting

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which I think is really important and really adds a lot of flexibility

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to the experience of translation.

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So, slide 13 is just the end cap. That's the basic presentation.

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And I did have a number of different questions that came up in the forums.

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And I'm really sorry that Jules isn't able to join me on this piece,

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because this has been me talking and talking and talking.

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and I don't want to bore folks and I don't want to just sound like I'm the only person talking here,

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but I do think these questions are important to get to

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and we have ‑ we really read carefully and ... yes?

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I'm in the Mozilla offices right now.

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And there is there is something ringing next to me.

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OK. So here we go. I'm going to just answer some of the questions coming from the forum

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that came from - and I'll mention who asked them.

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There may be other people who are curious about them.

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But this is just sort of in broad strokes trying to answer

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as many of the questions that came up

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that I don't think were addressed in the slide show.

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And we can kind of come back to the slide show and answer questions in realtime

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for things that people still don't - have the query that they would like.

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So, there was a question from Booger Bender, Vivian and Claude

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- by the way, I apologize if I mispronounce any names on - you know,

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I told I'm really sorry if I do, but I'll do my best -

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So this is about messaging and outreach.

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Some folks were saying it would be great for us to highlight

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the non - the nonprofit nature of our project, the open source nature of our project.

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And some other folks were suggesting we did more outreach to deaf communities.

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And we think those are both great ideas.

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Our focus right now really is getting this new technology going.

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We will obviously be ‑ we will be doing some ‑

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we are going to be starting an email newsletter soon,

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which I think that might be a good place to start highlighting this stuff.

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Eventually, we would like to really tighten up our website

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because I know there are a lot of loose ends

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and it could be better at explaining what our mission is

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and how the Participatory Culture Foundation works

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how Amara is totally volunteer driven,

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and up our outreach to deaf communities.

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In the meantime, if there are any folks here who can help us with this,

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we would be more than thrilled to work with you.

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Jules is going to be very active in the forums.

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So if you're not a registered member of the forums, please do join

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and we'd love to sort of discuss how can we work together to -

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to better highlight some of these things and outreach to different communities

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and keep stepping that - those efforts up

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Another question was about video management,

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which ‑ this is a technical question about the platform.

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Someone was asking about the primary URL, being able to switch away.

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And I think that we may have just done a release that actually allows you to see

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00:45:24,385 --> 00:45:28,235
the history of what the primary URL was and to be able to switch that.

442
00:45:28,235 --> 00:45:36,209
I think that that used to be more ‑ I think that was just a minor bug or hiccup in our development

443
00:45:36,209 --> 00:45:38,345
and that we're back online with that.

444
00:45:38,345 --> 00:45:42,723
But I'd like to make sure we double check on that before I confirm that one hundred per cent.

445
00:45:43,153 --> 00:45:46,817
One thing - one other technical thing I can confirm a hundred per cent,

446
00:45:46,817 --> 00:45:53,747
this is something that [inaudible name] and Claire asked about editing, subtitling and timing bubbles.

447
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,179
They are asking about being able to end a caption.

448
00:45:58,179 --> 00:46:01,505
So you press the down arrow to lay a caption down

449
00:46:01,505 --> 00:46:03,482
and the caption is on the screen,

450
00:46:03,482 --> 00:46:07,053
and then you press the down arrow and next one appears immediately

451
00:46:07,053 --> 00:46:09,049
where the previous one left out.

452
00:46:09,049 --> 00:46:16,647
The secret here is the up arrow will cut off that current subtitle that's being laid down.

453
00:46:16,647 --> 00:46:21,812
So if you want to do a quick caption that says "music playing"

454
00:46:21,812 --> 00:46:27,911
you'd press down when you wanted it to show, and then press the up arrow when you want it to disappear

455
00:46:27,911 --> 00:46:29,611
and it will stop right there.

456
00:46:30,442 --> 00:46:34,492
Let me know if that's the right question that you were asking. I think that's what you were asking.

457
00:46:35,877 --> 00:46:39,787
There's - people consistently ask about full screen.

458
00:46:41,157 --> 00:46:46,889
Will the widget, which is the embeddable little tab that goes on the bottom of the video ‑

459
00:46:46,889 --> 00:46:50,493
that will be able to do full screen captions.

460
00:46:50,493 --> 00:46:57,202
It's really, unfortunately, a very difficult problem, mostly because of the way that the flash plugin works

461
00:46:57,202 --> 00:47:03,234
the majority of these videos are flash videos - well, I mean, they may be MP4 videos

462
00:47:03,234 --> 00:47:05,420
but they are playing through a flash player

463
00:47:05,420 --> 00:47:08,864
and the problem is, when you go full screen with flash,

464
00:47:08,864 --> 00:47:12,053
the flash is actually taking over the entire experience

465
00:47:12,053 --> 00:47:15,963
and you can't do HTML overlay or Javascript on top of that.

466
00:47:15,963 --> 00:47:22,523
And those are the technologies that power our browser widget, that little tab that you see.

467
00:47:22,523 --> 00:47:25,903
And so we're working some of the major video hosts

468
00:47:25,903 --> 00:47:31,164
to provide syncing that can link subtitles directly into their video player

469
00:47:31,164 --> 00:47:35,850
and display the videos - erh, the subtitles through their video player -

470
00:47:35,850 --> 00:47:39,278
the problem being that you have to be the original uploader

471
00:47:39,278 --> 00:47:41,055
in order to enable that syncing.

472
00:47:42,132 --> 00:47:47,604
So we'll continue to try to see if we can figure out a clever technical work around

473
00:47:47,604 --> 00:47:52,964
to do some kind of full screen or near full screen overlay.

474
00:47:52,964 --> 00:47:57,360
But bear in mind that that's just a really tough technical problem.

475
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,673
I'm sorry I don't have a more exciting and uplifting answer on that one.

476
00:48:03,642 --> 00:48:09,062
Another question that we had was the original and primary language of video ‑

477
00:48:09,062 --> 00:48:15,830
we're working to improve - to improve the support for changing

478
00:48:15,830 --> 00:48:19,654
what language - what language a video is actually spoken in.

479
00:48:19,654 --> 00:48:25,595
So there is spoken dialog in a video. That's something that's coming up fairly soon.

480
00:48:26,965 --> 00:48:31,618
There were a couple of features that had existed before

481
00:48:31,618 --> 00:48:36,268
that people wanted to know about.

482
00:48:36,268 --> 00:48:39,876
Subtitling directly from a video, pasting in a transcript

483
00:48:39,876 --> 00:48:43,892
and uploading new subtitles over existing subtitles ‑

484
00:48:43,892 --> 00:48:49,817
these are things that our current system has, we have hit some different hurdles.

485
00:48:49,817 --> 00:48:53,145
We're working on getting these features re‑established.

486
00:48:53,145 --> 00:48:56,217
But they will likely be re‑established in the newer system,

487
00:48:56,217 --> 00:48:58,256
the stuff I have just shown in the slides.

488
00:49:01,164 --> 00:49:05,574
And I got like two more things left and then we can go to open questions.

489
00:49:05,574 --> 00:49:09,293
Actually, I think that Jules mentioned there was a question from Jim Tobias

490
00:49:09,293 --> 00:49:11,677
which I can try to answer really quickly.

491
00:49:13,862 --> 00:49:17,627
Video- or team-oriented. Will there be a user-focused interface

492
00:49:17,627 --> 00:49:22,172
that shows all the teams I'm on and all the videos I have worked on or have completed.

493
00:49:22,172 --> 00:49:27,780
OK. So Jim Tobias asked if we're going to be doing a user-focused interface

494
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:31,469
that shows ‑ so let's say a user dashboard.

495
00:49:31,469 --> 00:49:35,858
You log in and you see the videos you have worked on, the videos you've completed.

496
00:49:36,919 --> 00:49:46,026
The slide - I'm not remembering the number of the slide - slide number - I think it was like 3 or 4 maybe.

497
00:49:46,026 --> 00:49:53,650
No, 5. Slide number 5 does show past collaborations in the context of a team.

498
00:49:53,650 --> 00:49:57,613
But we do want to do something similar that goes across teams,

499
00:49:57,613 --> 00:50:01,751
so that if you log in and you have contributed to three teams

500
00:50:01,751 --> 00:50:04,653
and different videos on three different teams

501
00:50:04,653 --> 00:50:11,855
plus you've contributed to 20 various videos that are just individual videos on - on Amara,

502
00:50:11,855 --> 00:50:16,325
we'd like to compile all those things together so you can see that all in one place.

503
00:50:17,048 --> 00:50:19,139
I didn't - we don't have a mock up on that yet,

504
00:50:19,139 --> 00:50:24,546
but that is something that we're thinking about and something we want to address and make better.

505
00:50:25,377 --> 00:50:32,543
just because it is important for - it is important for people to be able to see what they've done

506
00:50:32,543 --> 00:50:34,381
and come and get an overview of their history.

507
00:50:36,412 --> 00:50:39,437
I'm seeing another question. Jules, who's that one from?

508
00:50:39,437 --> 00:50:44,192
It's, is there any plan to add Mozilla persona to the available sign in methods?

509
00:50:44,192 --> 00:50:47,406
Oh, I see, it's Pandark Zero (sp?).

510
00:50:49,370 --> 00:50:54,210
I don't think we have immediate plans to add the Mozilla -

511
00:50:54,210 --> 00:50:59,126
I'm assuming that thas a - an - that we could potentially do that through oOff (?).

512
00:50:59,572 --> 00:51:05,859
I'm at the Mozilla offices today in San Francisco, so I can actually ask and see if that's a possibility.

513
00:51:06,721 --> 00:51:10,395
It hadn't come up on our radar yet but we can definitely check into it.

514
00:51:12,426 --> 00:51:16,169
Paulo Silva asks, maybe an important issue is

515
00:51:16,169 --> 00:51:19,941
can we fix the original language if we set it wrongly at first?

516
00:51:19,941 --> 00:51:23,455
It happened to me once and I struggled in fixing it.

517
00:51:24,732 --> 00:51:29,801
Paulo, I - first of all, I want to apologize that it's not easier in the current system to do this.

518
00:51:30,632 --> 00:51:33,000
And yes, we definitely want to make that simpler.

519
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:38,462
Because that's - it's one of those tricky things where, you know, the -

520
00:51:38,462 --> 00:51:40,782
the data model that we're working on right now

521
00:51:40,782 --> 00:51:43,988
was something that we created roughly two years ago

522
00:51:43,988 --> 00:51:49,825
and of course it's not the ideal thing for where we are at with the project right now.

523
00:51:49,825 --> 00:51:51,679
So that's the first thing that we're working on

524
00:51:52,325 --> 00:51:55,181
and we're actually very close to having something out

525
00:51:55,181 --> 00:52:00,530
that will be more flexible in that respect. So, thanks for that question.

526
00:52:03,299 --> 00:52:07,568
Feel free to keep asking questions about anything that I have talked about,

527
00:52:07,568 --> 00:52:11,565
any of the slides, anything that has been missing from the presentation

528
00:52:11,565 --> 00:52:13,634
or pieces that you'd like to hear about.

529
00:52:14,111 --> 00:52:22,438
Another thing that came from the forum - let's see, the different timing in different languages ‑

530
00:52:22,438 --> 00:52:28,498
So that was a question about being able to edit timing in different languages.

531
00:52:28,498 --> 00:52:30,742
And that's coming back right now.

532
00:52:30,742 --> 00:52:37,195
But ultimately we're really excited about that - that ability to remain

533
00:52:37,195 --> 00:52:42,377
in the subtitling interface or the translation interface even if you have changed the timing.

534
00:52:44,592 --> 00:52:48,382
Let's see, we have gotten a lot of good suggestions on the product front.

535
00:52:48,382 --> 00:52:50,841
I'm not sure if I'm saying this name right

536
00:52:50,841 --> 00:52:58,471
but Diomidis had a lot of really great suggestions for some hot keys and editor functionality

537
00:52:59,224 --> 00:53:01,048
that I have passed on to the development team.

538
00:53:01,878 --> 00:53:06,445
One suggestion that was put forth

539
00:53:06,445 --> 00:53:09,811
was the ability to change the speed in the video play back.

540
00:53:10,442 --> 00:53:13,596
Right now that's difficult with our system

541
00:53:13,596 --> 00:53:15,450
because we aren't hosting the videos

542
00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:20,827
and it's all done, sort off, through that - that just HTML and Javascript.

543
00:53:21,534 --> 00:53:24,657
There may come a time when we are able to start doing something like that,

544
00:53:24,657 --> 00:53:31,611
especially as HTML5 becomes more powerful and that technology grows.

545
00:53:31,611 --> 00:53:35,113
But right now that is going to be a tough one.

546
00:53:35,113 --> 00:53:39,783
But some of the other things ‑ there is a suggestion for a hot key

547
00:53:39,783 --> 00:53:44,997
to skip to - to skip to lines that haven't been translated yet.

548
00:53:44,997 --> 00:53:47,552
That's a - that's areally great suggestion.

549
00:53:47,552 --> 00:53:51,003
We will definitely try to get that in there and a couple of those other things too.

550
00:53:52,926 --> 00:53:55,170
OK, we got another question coming in.

551
00:53:59,124 --> 00:54:04,396
Dumu- o man, this name is very difficult. I'm not going to be able to say it without butchering it.

552
00:54:05,304 --> 00:54:08,850
[he laughs] dmulvany asks:

553
00:54:08,850 --> 00:54:12,646
"Has there been any thought to providing interactive transcripts?"

554
00:54:14,061 --> 00:54:17,130
So, that's the kind of thing where you see the video.

555
00:54:18,823 --> 00:54:23,495
Yes, TED.com has an example of that: in fact, we have been working on this.

556
00:54:23,845 --> 00:54:30,903
I don't know if we can get a link from - well, darned, I wish we could enable link sharing.

557
00:54:30,903 --> 00:54:33,862
We need to look into seeing whether we can enable links in the YouTube comments,

558
00:54:34,939 --> 00:54:39,622
because we do have a sample of that, an interactive transcript player.

559
00:54:39,622 --> 00:54:46,777
where you're basically watching the video and you see the transcripts in a sort of a text box below the video.

560
00:54:46,777 --> 00:54:49,733
You can scroll down it and click on the word

561
00:54:49,733 --> 00:54:53,424
and the video will jump to that word and start playing immediately.

562
00:54:53,424 --> 00:54:57,110
You can search through and look for key phrases.

563
00:54:57,572 --> 00:55:01,086
We do have something like that that is just coming out of the lab.

564
00:55:02,148 --> 00:55:05,763
So, maybe in the forum we can post a link to it.

565
00:55:08,532 --> 00:55:10,779
And Darren, can you get that link if you have it?

566
00:55:13,794 --> 00:55:15,699
OK. Do we have other - other questions?

567
00:55:15,699 --> 00:55:21,397
I'm coming to basically the end of the questions from the forum posts.

568
00:55:21,397 --> 00:55:24,670
There may have been a couple that I missed

569
00:55:24,670 --> 00:55:27,712
so if there is anything on the forum that you left and I didn't get to it,

570
00:55:27,712 --> 00:55:35,670
please - please just chime in on the YouTube - on the YouTube comments.

571
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:38,734
And we'll continue to keep an eye on the YouTube comments,

572
00:55:38,734 --> 00:55:40,985
even after we're done with this.

573
00:55:40,985 --> 00:55:45,238
So if there is anything that we missed, we can follow upon.
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574
00:56:06,084 --> 00:56:13,377
Alright, well it sounds like we're getting closer and closer to the conclusion of this event.

575
00:56:13,377 --> 00:56:22,318
This has been really exciting. Let me - I'm going to check the window.

576
00:56:22,318 --> 00:56:24,018
OK, there's - here is another question.

577
00:56:24,018 --> 00:56:26,568
The launch date for the new embedder?

578
00:56:27,891 --> 00:56:30,480
We don't have a solid date yet.

579
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:36,185
We - there are so many things that are hard to predict in what we're doing right now.

580
00:56:37,001 --> 00:56:41,686
OH, ok, let's see. I'm just getting more information on that question.

581
00:56:41,686 --> 00:56:44,924
So that was - that was Joshua Barajas

582
00:56:44,924 --> 00:56:48,833
and the new embedder, is there a more specific launch date for that.

583
00:56:48,833 --> 00:56:54,015
So that's the embedder with the interactive transcripts. [inaudible]

584
00:56:54,523 --> 00:56:57,598
We basically have it out in Beta form right now.

585
00:56:57,598 --> 00:57:03,519
So we can - we will share on the forums how to use that.

586
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:06,848
It's still kind of experimental so it's not perfect

587
00:57:06,848 --> 00:57:12,138
but it's not anything that's ever going to mess up subtitle data or anything like that.

588
00:57:12,138 --> 00:57:15,298
So it's a piece of code that we're comfortable sharing with folks

589
00:57:15,298 --> 00:57:19,511
saying use this in situations that aren't mission-critical

590
00:57:19,511 --> 00:57:21,916
and check it out, see what people think.

591
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:27,726
So we will get that up in the forum and also try to just mention

592
00:57:27,726 --> 00:57:31,113
once we do in the YouTube comments.

593
00:57:34,759 --> 00:57:37,204
Let's see. Paulo Silva asks:

594
00:57:37,204 --> 00:57:42,624
"a very important feature missing: a kind of "guideline conflict spot out warnings" -

595
00:57:42,624 --> 00:57:45,701
like sentences larger than 70 characters,

596
00:57:45,701 --> 00:57:49,023
smaller than 1.5 seconds, etc."

597
00:57:50,131 --> 00:57:56,974
That's a really great idea. If I understand it right, I - we should ‑

598
00:57:58,082 --> 00:58:04,062
let's continue that thread in the forums so we can develop that idea a little bit further.

599
00:58:04,062 --> 00:58:08,327
Just so that I know and our team knows exactly what you're suggesting here.

600
00:58:08,327 --> 00:58:12,813
But I think the idea sounds good, something that kind of gives some highlights

601
00:58:12,813 --> 00:58:15,059
if maybe you have things that seem like

602
00:58:15,059 --> 00:58:19,200
they may be less than optimal for captions or subtitles. Something like that.

603
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,700
That's a really good idea.

604
00:58:23,161 --> 00:58:27,867
dmulvany asks again - see - another question:

605
00:58:27,867 --> 00:58:31,754
"Has there been thought given to providing video description?"

606
00:58:32,646 --> 00:58:34,669
We have definitely talked about it.

607
00:58:34,669 --> 00:58:39,501
It's something that, you know, with this new system that we're building,

608
00:58:39,501 --> 00:58:42,438
I think once we're there, we will be in a much better position

609
00:58:42,438 --> 00:58:50,159
to start thinking about both video description as well as dubbing or voiceover translation.

610
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:56,917
Both of which we think could be really exciting, important pieces to the puzzle for greater accessibility

611
00:58:56,917 --> 00:59:03,004
both for folks who are blind or have visual impairments

612
00:59:03,004 --> 00:59:07,390
or people who, let's say, don't read ‑ they speak a different language

613
00:59:07,390 --> 00:59:13,581
than the video is in and also don't read their primary language particularly well,

614
00:59:13,581 --> 00:59:18,243
this could be really great for increasing accessibility there as well.

615
00:59:22,566 --> 00:59:26,535
Okay. Let's see. There was another question.

616
00:59:31,849 --> 00:59:36,761
Seelan asks: *Why was it kept a secret that the up arrow key is the way to cut a subtitle

617
00:59:36,761 --> 00:59:38,646
instead of using the down arrow key?"

618
00:59:39,615 --> 00:59:45,007
It wasn't really kept a secret. It was a lack of time to update the documentation -

619
00:59:45,007 --> 00:59:50,219
a lack of - we've just been crazy busy with a lot of different projects

620
00:59:50,219 --> 00:59:56,473
and hadn't had time to update the - the interface instructions on the side bar.

621
00:59:57,309 --> 01:00:02,587
So, we're definitely not trying to keep secrets or leave Easter eggs lying around,

622
01:00:02,587 --> 01:00:08,514
that happened to be something that we just didn't get as widely publicized as we probably should have.

623
01:00:10,114 --> 01:00:12,203
So, my apologies for that.

624
01:00:12,617 --> 01:00:20,665
And we'll make sure and try and have a comprehensive list of all of the keyboard shortcuts.

625
01:00:26,494 --> 01:00:33,543
All right. We're getting close to the hour. Let's see.
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626
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:48,653
Do we have any other questions before we cap this discussion?

627
01:00:50,347 --> 01:00:52,451
And let's see, just so ‑

628
01:00:53,257 --> 01:00:58,126
I don't know if it says how many was the largest number of viewers

629
01:00:58,126 --> 01:01:04,999
but I have seen that we have had between 16 and 17 viewers,which is pretty cool.

630
01:01:07,715 --> 01:01:09,561
Okay. We got one more.

631
01:01:10,834 --> 01:01:15,766
dmulvany says on video description - adds: "Deaf-blind people

632
01:01:15,766 --> 01:01:20,861
would benefit from seeing video description as text, rather than as audio."

633
01:01:22,553 --> 01:01:27,349
Ah, yes, I think I was misunderstanding that you -

634
01:01:28,085 --> 01:01:33,155
sometimes the terminology is a bit confusing - video description versus audio description

635
01:01:33,155 --> 01:01:36,373
and I think I may have been mixing the two up. My apology.

636
01:01:37,484 --> 01:01:40,280
I think there are a lot of different things that we can do

637
01:01:43,449 --> 01:01:49,675
I think there are a lot of different things that we can do from the perspective of accessibility,

638
01:01:49,675 --> 01:01:55,794
that we should ‑ we would like to ‑

639
01:01:55,794 --> 01:02:00,073
I think a lot of this just needs to be unpacked for us.

640
01:02:00,608 --> 01:02:04,343
We put a lot of effort and time into trying to figure out

641
01:02:04,343 --> 01:02:08,990
what the best approach is to accomplish ‑

642
01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:13,760
you know, to keep a simple interface that is something that is approachable

643
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,436
by people who are both young and old

644
01:02:16,436 --> 01:02:22,725
in order to start creating subtitles and start creating captions and translate things.

645
01:02:23,637 --> 01:02:28,302
We also want to make sure that we're being as inclusive as possible

646
01:02:28,302 --> 01:02:32,899
with the interfaces, with the things that people are creating through the interfaces.

647
01:02:32,899 --> 01:02:37,703
And to be honest, it's a big, big job to understand

648
01:02:37,703 --> 01:02:40,397
what the universe of accessibility means.

649
01:02:40,750 --> 01:02:49,313
So I think this is just a really good opportunity for us to ask you guys to help us learn more

650
01:02:49,313 --> 01:02:52,102
and understand better how we can support

651
01:02:52,102 --> 01:02:55,252
all of these different uses and and all these different use cases.

652
01:02:55,252 --> 01:03:00,347
And I think a lot of this conversation that we're having right now,

653
01:03:00,347 --> 01:03:03,960
these sorts of seeds, could really blossom on the forum.

654
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:09,110
So I'm hoping we can continue these conversations so we can learn more

655
01:03:09,110 --> 01:03:13,265
about what folks are thinking about what would be the most effective approach

656
01:03:13,265 --> 01:03:15,057
for us on some of these different issues.

657
01:03:15,057 --> 01:03:23,773
And - just totally appreciative of everyone's time and thought and effort on helping us walk through these.

658
01:03:24,497 --> 01:03:28,102
And I've got two more and then we will cap it after that.

659
01:03:30,175 --> 01:03:35,436
So Claude asks: Could you go back on the future chat feature, please?

660
01:03:36,813 --> 01:03:39,451
I think I'll need more clarification on that,

661
01:03:39,451 --> 01:03:42,793
but maybe we could just take care of that in the forum as well.

662
01:03:42,793 --> 01:03:49,131
And discuss that one in the comments or the forum.

663
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:54,959
Okay, Alex now asks: We Chinese need double subtitling display on team.

664
01:03:54,959 --> 01:03:56,659
Could you implement that?

665
01:03:56,659 --> 01:03:59,602
Double means showing both English and Chinese subs

666
01:03:59,602 --> 01:04:03,119
in two lines simultaneously. Alex Mo.

667
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:12,686
That's another thing that there are ‑ that is another piece

668
01:04:12,686 --> 01:04:16,965
outside of sort of the accessibility thing that I was just talking about.

669
01:04:16,965 --> 01:04:21,932
This is something that I think we should definitely discuss

670
01:04:21,932 --> 01:04:25,317
so that we can better understand how something like this

671
01:04:25,317 --> 01:04:29,499
might work in the system, given all of the different ‑

672
01:04:31,469 --> 01:04:37,865
the challenges that we're facing of keeping the software usable and simple

673
01:04:37,865 --> 01:04:42,424
from the perspective of, it has to work on as many languages as possible,

674
01:04:42,424 --> 01:04:48,671
how can we accomplish what you're asking about with Amara.

675
01:04:48,671 --> 01:04:50,858
I think we can definitely find a way to do it.

676
01:04:52,089 --> 01:04:54,876
But I don't have an answer off the top of my head,

677
01:04:54,876 --> 01:04:59,697
I think partly because I, you know, I'm not someone who speaks English and Chinese

678
01:04:59,697 --> 01:05:05,494
and so figuring out exactly how ‑ what the expectation is

679
01:05:05,494 --> 01:05:07,102
and how something like that would work,

680
01:05:07,825 --> 01:05:10,712
we definitely just need to get a little bit more information

681
01:05:10,712 --> 01:05:14,393
and I think we can and should be able to figure something out.

682
01:05:15,931 --> 01:05:18,299
I will answer one last question:

683
01:05:18,299 --> 01:05:23,897
Seelan is asking: "Are there plans to auto-sync subs made on Amara to videos on YouTube.

684
01:05:24,695 --> 01:05:27,555
We have created lots of great subs on YouTube videos

685
01:05:27,555 --> 01:05:32,800
but many people don't or can't re-upload these subs on YouTube source."

686
01:05:38,897 --> 01:05:42,749
I'm not sure I totally understand that one, Seelan

687
01:05:42,749 --> 01:05:49,120
but we - right now we're syncing in one direction from Amara to Yout-

688
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:55,117
Actually, we do grab subtitles from YouTube, and captions from YouTube

689
01:05:55,117 --> 01:05:59,623
and we're just now starting to be able to sync them back to YouTube,

690
01:05:59,623 --> 01:06:04,108
as long as you're the creator of the video on YouTube you can do that.

691
01:06:05,392 --> 01:06:08,323
So I think we're on the right track there.

692
01:06:10,676 --> 01:06:13,586
And if I'm not understanding that correctly we should also

693
01:06:14,448 --> 01:06:16,846
carry that discussion forward in the forum as well.
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694
01:06:29,718 --> 01:06:33,516
Okay. Sorry, I'm just seeing people typing - typing things

695
01:06:33,516 --> 01:06:37,074
and want to make sure I have got this all down correctly.

696
01:06:37,797 --> 01:06:44,347
All right. I think that we should make sure to just continue - continue these conversations

697
01:06:44,347 --> 01:06:47,079
and I know there are a couple at the end that I semi‑dodged

698
01:06:47,079 --> 01:06:47,579
but I really want to make sure that we are able to address those

699
01:06:50,525 --> 01:06:53,347
and that we are able to have those conversations and figure out

700
01:06:53,347 --> 01:06:57,961
what - how we can expand on those different pieces

701
01:06:57,961 --> 01:07:01,660
and make sure that we're serving as many different communities

702
01:07:01,660 --> 01:07:04,305
as best as we possibly can.

703
01:07:04,985 --> 01:07:11,984
And I think that the new - the new editor, the new collaboration model,

704
01:07:11,984 --> 01:07:15,915
all of the stuff that we've shared and that we're working on right now,

705
01:07:15,915 --> 01:07:18,916
I think that's going to be a major step in that direction.

706
01:07:18,916 --> 01:07:24,641
And that there will still be obviously a lot of room for improvement, a lot of room to grow.

707
01:07:25,141 --> 01:07:28,700
And I think there are probably a lot of things that we didn't discuss today

708
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:36,328
and that have to do with how do we ‑ how do we best represent

709
01:07:36,328 --> 01:07:39,658
what volunteers have done, how do we show,

710
01:07:39,658 --> 01:07:46,581
you know, here is a set of captions done primarily by this user but also this user helped.

711
01:07:46,650 --> 01:07:51,302
And that's a really big question and a really big thing we have started to think about

712
01:07:51,302 --> 01:07:53,364
but is so huge that we want to make sure

713
01:07:53,364 --> 01:08:02,015
that we have the communities' voice and support and sort of heart in

714
01:08:02,015 --> 01:08:03,008
as we move forward on it.

715
01:08:03,008 --> 01:08:09,206
So, that's another big thing and maybe that's a topic for the next town hall meeting.

716
01:08:10,222 --> 01:08:13,346
Thank you so much to everyone who participated.

717
01:08:13,346 --> 01:08:17,400
I see that our viewership has dropped off a little bit.

718
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:23,964
Thank you to Michael for bringing CART into the ‑ into the picture.

719
01:08:23,964 --> 01:08:29,106
Thank you to the CART operator for actually providing CART, totally amazing.

720
01:08:30,137 --> 01:08:35,237
Jules and Darren, thank you both for helping kind of DJ the comments

721
01:08:35,237 --> 01:08:38,522
and organize and get this whole thing off the ground.

722
01:08:38,522 --> 01:08:43,154
And then of course, thanks to everyone who is here right now

723
01:08:43,154 --> 01:08:44,823
and everyone who wasn't able to make it,

724
01:08:44,823 --> 01:08:50,050
who has been helping us make Amara such an amazing project and tool.

725
01:08:50,050 --> 01:08:54,369
and everything that it has become.

726
01:08:54,739 --> 01:09:00,439
So, thank you, all and we will do this again ‑ I'm not sure exactly when.

727
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:04,009
But let's all kind of talk about it in the forums and discuss

728
01:09:04,009 --> 01:09:06,332
when we do want to do it again and what we thought worked,

729
01:09:06,332 --> 01:09:10,159
what we thought didn't and how we can improve upon this process.

730
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:11,491
So thank you, all.

731
01:09:11,491 --> 01:09:14,237
(town hall ends)