0:00:00.047,0:00:03.820 (Hangouts Google+) 0:00:03.820,0:00:06.842 (amara - Amara Town Hall [up to 0:01:38]) 0:01:37.834,0:01:40.455 (main screen shows Jules Rincón) 0:01:40.455,0:01:46.212 (amara - Amara Town Hall [up to 0:04:17]) 0:04:16.793,0:04:17.948 (Subpage of Jules Rincón's Google+ page) 0:04:17.948,0:04:20.080 (Jules Rincón's Google+ page) 0:04:20.080,0:04:24.134 (Dean Jansen, mute [up to 0:04:35]) 0:04:34.589,0:04:39.194 (Main screen: CART with CART testing texts [up to 0:05:13]) 0:05:12.863,0:05:19.066 [Metallic voices, lots of static] 0:05:19.066,0:05:30.601 (Main screen: CART with CART testing texts) 0:05:30.601,0:05:33.043 [Dean Jansen] Hey everyone! We're just about to get started here. 0:05:33.043,0:05:41.738 This is Dean. We're trying to get some CART online for folks who are deaf or [audio stops] 0:05:47.602,0:05:51.000 [Dean Jansen] And I just had the YouTube video open in the other screen, 0:05:51.000,0:05:52.577 so I started hearing my own voice. 0:05:52.577,0:05:58.854 Hem, let's see: Michael Lockrey is having us get CART working 0:05:58.854,0:06:02.776 and you can see his screen right now, so hopefully we're going to start getting that - 0:06:02.776,0:06:04.307 Ah, there it goes, I think. 0:06:07.476,0:06:10.946 Hem, and then we've just got a couple other things to get going. 0:06:10.946,0:06:14.413 Jules has her sound working, she's in a bit of a noisy environment, 0:06:14.413,0:06:20.627 so I'll be doing much of the - much of the talking, 0:06:20.627,0:06:25.566 but we'll definitely want to hear a little bit from Jules, as long as things don't get to loud there. 0:06:25.566,0:06:34.989 I'm being told that my microphone is a bit low. Can folks hear me OK? 0:06:36.804,0:06:43.852 And you should definitely set the capt- errh, the comments in the YouTube video 0:06:43.852,0:06:45.798 to display automatic updates. 0:06:45.798,0:06:50.031 There is - I see already a lot of folks in there commenting, 0:06:50.892,0:06:57.054 Darren, Claude, Seelan, burgertester, lots of different folks. 0:06:57.946,0:07:01.927 We have 17 people who are watching right now. 0:07:05.778,0:07:07.009 OK. 0:07:08.190,0:07:11.275 And Jules, do you - are you able to say hi now? 0:07:12.722,0:07:15.100 You've got your - your - you've got your [inaudibe] 0:07:15.100,0:07:26.460 [Jules Rincón] Hello, hi. I'm [inaudible] I'm Jules [inaudible] 0:07:26.460,0:07:34.771 for answering your e-mail [inaudible] 0:07:35.786,0:07:38.471 [Dean Jansen] OK. That was a bit choppy. 0:07:39.671,0:07:47.038 Let's see. OK, well, let me pull up a quick - 0:07:47.038,0:07:50.748 sorry that we're not totally running: we are just coming, getting all the technology going, 0:07:50.748,0:07:53.079 this is still pretty new for all of us. 0:07:53.079,0:08:02.701 Is the CART in full - in full effect now?[br]Still can't tell. 0:08:05.655,0:08:10.526 And can other folks in the, in - Jules was mentioning that the volume's a bit low. 0:08:10.526,0:08:13.318 Are people on YouTube able to hear me OK? 0:08:17.462,0:08:21.443 OK. I see a lot of people saying they can hear me OK. 0:08:24.443,0:08:27.600 Now I think we just need to get this CART going and we're going to be ready to go. 0:08:29.948,0:08:31.086 Hem - 0:08:36.333,0:08:40.959 And is that - is the CART the main thing that's showing on the YouTube screen right now? 0:08:40.959,0:08:41.859 Yes, it is. 0:08:42.552,0:08:46.082 I mean to get the presentation pulled up and I will show a link to everyone 0:08:46.082,0:08:51.042 so that you can have multiple windows open in case you want to watch the CART 0:08:51.042,0:08:54.628 and also follow along the presentations at the same time. 0:08:55.331,0:09:02.944 Hem, actually, maybe Darren - Darren, could you show that link in - can you share that link 0:09:02.944,0:09:06.355 in the YouTube video - in the YouTube comments? 0:09:06.355,0:09:11.198 Now there is a published link I believe. OK, cool, thanks. 0:09:11.198,0:09:16.570 We've got that coming, I'm going to get it up on my screen now. 0:09:17.123,0:09:21.769 I have, like, more screens than I think I've ever had going at one time here, so - 0:09:21.769,0:09:25.087 [inaudible: bear with us?] and once we get the CART going, 0:09:25.087,0:09:29.385 I think we'll be ready to do some introductions and be ready to take off here. 0:09:31.924,0:09:34.672 And for anyone who is able to listen in 0:09:34.672,0:09:38.614 and can relay some of this information in the comments, that's really helpful. 0:09:38.614,0:09:40.129 Much appreciated.[br][clicking noises up to 0:10:04] 0:10:03.883,0:10:08.880 OK, let's see: I believe we're getting closer and closer.[br][clicking noises up to 0:10:19] 0:10:19.096,0:10:22.501 I'm in a message (?) Michael is speaking on the CART right now. 0:10:22.501,0:10:24.201 Let's see how that's going. 0:10:24.201,0:10:29.831 [Typing noises up to 0:10:37][br](CART: Caption screen share test screen. Further testing of caption reseizing) 0:10:37.234,0:10:40.912 OK We're doing caption sizing testing right now[br](CART: testing words) 0:10:40.912,0:10:48.386 (CART: "further testing of caption sizing resizing caption screen to fit viewing window") 0:10:49.291,0:10:55.150 [typing noises up to 0:10:17][br](CART: testing words) 0:11:17.223,0:11:22.465 [Dean Jansen] OK. Alright, so we just have the - 0:11:22.465,0:11:28.673 the CART operator has joined the - the hangout 0:11:28.673,0:11:34.592 and so now he should have the audio feed. 0:11:37.284,0:11:45.254 [typing noises up to 0:12:05][br](CART: testing words) 0:12:05.221,0:12:06.867 [Dean Jansen] OK 0:12:07.694,0:12:18.456 typing noises][br](CART: testing words) 0:12:18.506,0:12:21.570 (Beginning of CC subs based on the CART transcript: the CC subs are sync'd with the audio )[br][Dean Jansen] Thanks, everyone for bearing with us here. 0:12:22.293,0:12:24.362 [br]We have 11 viewers right now. 0:12:24.362,0:12:31.062 Darren and Jules, If you want to update the banner on the website 0:12:31.062,0:12:34.746 - [inaudible] this is happening right now - that might be worthwhile 0:12:34.746,0:12:39.492 and just update it with the direct link to the you tube video. 0:12:45.661,0:12:50.207 [Dean Jansen] OK, I think I'm starting to see some of the CART text showing up. 0:12:50.207,0:12:54.007 (onscreen: previous CART text showing)[br][typing noises up to 0:14:34] 0:14:34.126,0:14:36.141 [Dean Jansen]: I think we're ready to go. 0:14:44.302,0:14:49.460 I am going to wait until I see the CART update to really get started. 0:14:50.466,0:14:56.068 Darren is putting the announcement up on the Amara website right now 0:14:56.068,0:14:59.453 so folks can join in if they are free. 0:15:01.007,0:15:05.821 Okay. I see some text coming up. Which seems like good news. 0:15:06.273,0:15:11.253 So, thank you, all, for joining. Right now we have 13 folks watching. 0:15:12.499,0:15:18.252 And I wanted to start this out. Let me pull up my agenda real quick. 0:15:18.252,0:15:19.796 I just wanted to start this out. 0:15:19.796,0:15:22.954 Actually Jules was going to be starting this out for us. 0:15:22.954,0:15:28.073 She is - you can see her thumbnail in the bottom section of the screeen 0:15:28.073,0:15:34.873 She - her internet connection has been going on and off - she is a very noisy coffee house, still helping out. 0:15:34.873,0:15:37.157 She is going to be in the comments along with Darren. 0:15:37.157,0:15:41.238 So, I wanted to start out by saying thanks to all of the folks 0:15:41.238,0:15:45.732 who have helped make this possible, including Michael Lockrey, 0:15:45.732,0:15:51.750 who is - his is the screen showing the cart text right now, which is fantastic. 0:15:51.750,0:15:54.920 Jules helped get this whole thing organized. 0:15:54.920,0:15:56.974 Darren has been involved from the beginning. 0:15:56.974,0:16:02.648 And then, even a bigger thanks goes out to the community and volunteers, 0:16:02.648,0:16:04.486 the people who are here right now 0:16:04.486,0:16:07.451 as well as the folks who are - weren't able to make it, 0:16:07.455,0:16:11.550 who are on Amara doing captions, translations, subtitles. 0:16:12.223,0:16:14.619 Some folks are promoting and sharing, 0:16:14.619,0:16:19.619 we have people on the Captions Requested and the Music Captioning teams 0:16:19.619,0:16:23.852 doing a lot of great work and translation happening all over‑the‑board. 0:16:23.852,0:16:24.982 Really exciting stuff. 0:16:24.982,0:16:27.447 So I think that - that's how we wanted to open this, 0:16:27.447,0:16:31.136 just by saying thank you to everyone who has been involved 0:16:31.136,0:16:33.764 in making Amara such a success. 0:16:35.579,0:16:39.819 Jules was going to introduce herself but again since it's so noisy 0:16:39.819,0:16:42.586 I'll do a quick introduction for Jules. 0:16:42.586,0:16:45.826 She has been doing a fantastic job of community advocacy 0:16:45.826,0:16:51.481 and support for Amara for - I don't know - getting close to a year now 0:16:51.481,0:16:58.604 ‑ probably a little less than that ‑ but she has been, you know, working from South America 0:16:58.604,0:17:03.805 and now she's here in the US with us and has been doing a great job on that. 0:17:03.821,0:17:07.642 Darren has also been doing a lot in the community advocacy 0:17:07.642,0:17:11.076 and support side of things 0:17:11.076,0:17:14.701 and has also been working with me on some of the business stuff 0:17:14.701,0:17:17.059 which I'm going to talk very briefly about. 0:17:17.580,0:17:21.208 And then, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Dean. 0:17:21.208,0:17:27.223 I'm one of the co-founders of Amara and my title is Outreach and Business Development director, 0:17:27.223,0:17:33.806 which in the context of a non-profit organization, because Amara is built by a non-profit, 0:17:33.806,0:17:39.846 the Participatory Culture Foundation, business development really means 0:17:39.846,0:17:46.629 finding a way to make this nonprofit and mission-driven project and piece of software sustainable 0:17:46.629,0:17:51.386 so that we can support our developers as they build the tools out 0:17:51.386,0:17:54.801 and make sure that we are able to keep the servers on and everything. 0:17:56.416,0:18:00.902 So, moving forward I will give a quick overview of the meeting, 0:18:00.902,0:18:04.917 where we'll start getting more and more interactive as it goes on. 0:18:05.532,0:18:08.612 But at the beginning, I'¨d like to do a brief slide presentation 0:18:08.612,0:18:11.954 that I hope people are excited about, because it's - 0:18:11.954,0:18:15.646 We'll share just a few pieces of what is to come in Amara 0:18:15.646,0:18:18.603 which I think will answer a lot of outstanding questions 0:18:18.619,0:18:23.327 and hopefully get people excited about the future of Amara. We certainly are. 0:18:23.373,0:18:26.137 The other thing that I wanted to do 0:18:26.137,0:18:29.434 before we went to a full open question and answer 0:18:29.434,0:18:34.756 is that we asked people to talk about their big questions, 0:18:34.756,0:18:36.311 some of the features they would like to see, 0:18:36.311,0:18:41.059 some of the issues they were facing in the forum posts. 0:18:41.059,0:18:44.975 And so there are a couple of highlights there we'd like to go over. 0:18:46.913,0:18:52.085 And once we do that, then I think it would be great to do a full open Q‑A 0:18:52.085,0:18:56.733 over the comments in the YouTube video. 0:18:56.733,0:18:59.452 And then once we do that, we'll wrap it up. 0:19:00.113,0:19:04.012 So we are expecting to be done ‑ 0:19:04.012,0:19:06.803 we should probably finish in the next 40 minutes. 0:19:06.803,0:19:09.945 So we've had an hour schedule for the full meeting. 0:19:09.945,0:19:13.979 So let's start into that slide presentation and for anyone - 0:19:13.979,0:19:19.933 I'm going to spell this out so folks can join this URL in case they don't see it in the comments. 0:19:19.933,0:19:43.443 It's http://goo.gl/gPdZe . That's a shortened Google URL and it's also in the comments 0:19:43.443,0:19:46.933 That's probably the easiest way to get to it, but I just wanted to spell it out there. 0:19:49.672,0:19:52.723 OK, so I'm going to switch my screen 0:19:52.723,0:19:57.650 and so you will be able to see which slide I'm looking at, at the bottom of the YouTube video. 0:19:57.650,0:20:00.807 I'm also just going to say every time I switch a page, 0:20:02.038,0:20:08.163 but I just wanted to make sure that if anyone is watching the CART, they're able to easily stick with that. 0:20:08.532,0:20:14.225 So I'm going to give everyone just a second to make sure they can load up that slide show, 0:20:14.225,0:20:18.788 and if anyone is having trouble, please just comment in the YouTube comments. 0:20:18.788,0:20:23.695 and if you turn on automatic commenting, then you'll see that updates in real time: 0:20:23.695,0:20:25.983 it's basically just like a chat. 0:20:25.983,0:20:33.430 And so it should say "Amara Town Hall" and have the big green Amara logo in the center of it. 0:20:33.430,0:20:38.915 That's the first slide and I'm actually just going to check the - the chat window 0:20:38.915,0:20:40.929 to make sure that folks are able to get in. 0:20:43.175,0:20:45.919 Someone is saying that my audio is screwed up. 0:20:48.466,0:20:53.671 Did someone have that link? I'm just going to [inaudible] that google link 0:20:53.671,0:20:55.929 I'm just going to send that to you in case you want it. 0:21:03.621,0:21:04.990 Sorry.[br][clicking noises up to 0:21:23] 0:21:23.298,0:21:24.913 [Dean Jansen] OK. Here it comes.[br][clicking noises up to 0:21:45] 0:21:45.790,0:21:49.986 [Dean Jansen] Hem, I can't tell if the comments are frozen or not. 0:21:49.986,0:21:51.255 There it goes. 0:21:57.532,0:22:05.593 Darren or Jules, are either of you able to put that link into the - into the YouTube video comments?[br][clicking noises up to 0:22:18] 0:22:18.085,0:22:22.417 [Dean Jansen] Now I'm noticing that the CART is - is not showing up as well. 0:22:23.417,0:22:24.555 Oh oh. 0:22:25.463,0:22:28.860 Darren is saying it doesn't - ah URLs, my goodness. 0:22:28.860,0:22:34.357 OK. So, this is a bit of an oversight. Let me just do something real quick 0:22:34.357,0:22:40.904 to show the URL to folks. Hem, give me half a moment. 0:22:40.904,0:22:49.646 It's funny, when you test these things, it's the small little piece that's going to catch you by surprise. 0:22:49.646,0:22:55.691 So - I've almost got this up and we'll be able to put this on the screen.[br][typing noises up to 0:23:15] [br](onscreen: http::goo.gl/gPdZe) 0:23:15.230,0:23:17.961 [Dean Jansen] OK. Can everyone see this? 0:23:21.146,0:23:25.852 This is the - this is the shortened link that I mentioned, 0:23:25.852,0:23:32.444 and apparently, it's not possible to share these links inside of - inside of a YouTube comment. 0:23:32.444,0:23:34.450 So we are doing it here. 0:23:38.034,0:23:44.785 And Michael, are we able to get the CART showing up again? I'm going to leave you a chat message. 0:23:53.077,0:24:02.469 OK. Then I want to also check comments. Can someone in the comments with their thumbs up 0:24:02.469,0:24:06.938 if they're able to get into that - that Google short URL just so that I know 0:24:06.938,0:24:13.986 that folks are starting to see the - starting to see the slide deck? 0:24:24.170,0:24:32.203 OK, I just got a note that we're - we're switching from the - the CART screen showing 0:24:32.203,0:24:35.248 to a CART screen for Google Hangout. 0:24:35.294,0:24:39.235 Hem - something more direct that should have less legs. 0:24:41.004,0:24:42.535 And it should be up any moment. 0:24:47.638,0:24:50.815 OK. I think we are back on with the CART now.[br](some clicking up to 0:25:11) 0:25:11.661,0:25:15.901 OK, I see a bunch of people saying they see the slides. This is great. 0:25:17.593,0:25:21.632 [Echo from video] OK, I see a bunch of people saying they see the slides. This is great.[br][Clicking noises up to 0:25:44) 0:25:44.354,0:25:52.308 [Dean Jansen] OK. Now that cart appears to be back online, I think we are going to be ready to go again.[br][Clicking noises up to 0:26:18.5) 0:26:18.908,0:26:21.298 Excellent. OK. Thank you. 0:26:21.298,0:26:24.451 So let's all start on slide number 1. 0:26:25.297,0:26:29.798 And if anyone needs that URL please just ask in the comments if you don't have it 0:26:29.798,0:26:31.851 and we will figure out a way to share it with you. 0:26:32.959,0:26:35.916 That was a big oversight on our part, I'm sorry. 0:26:36.723,0:26:40.547 OK, so, slide number 1, which - actually, I'm going to switch - 0:26:41.593,0:26:47.865 I'm going to switch - I'm going to switch my screen - screen share back to that quickly. 0:26:52.803,0:26:54.102 Here we go. 0:26:54.102,0:26:57.561 So if we go on to slide 2, there are a couple of important notes. 0:26:58.638,0:27:00.200 They are about the mock ups. 0:27:00.200,0:27:06.420 And the slide deck is maybe 10 slides long. So it's sure - it's almost purely visual. 0:27:06.420,0:27:10.181 This is the only text slide, but it's really important to say upfront: 0:27:10.181,0:27:14.921 these aren't 100 per cent final. They are mixed representations. 0:27:14.937,0:27:17.862 We were trying to show the most functionality 0:27:17.862,0:27:20.046 in the fewest number of screens possible. 0:27:20.046,0:27:25.442 So, in other words, you may see some features from a fully moderated, like a team video – 0:27:25.442,0:27:29.184 in the exact same screen as features that would normally be exclusive 0:27:29.184,0:27:33.192 to an openly translated video that wasn't on any team. 0:27:34.007,0:27:37.932 So there's - we're not going to be forcing every video to be on a team or anything like that. 0:27:37.932,0:27:40.896 It's just an artefact of us trying to get 0:27:40.896,0:27:43.431 as much functionality into the slides as possible. 0:27:44.800,0:27:52.158 So if we skip to the third slide, it's a TED screen that says "let's get started". 0:27:52.158,0:27:58.484 And you'll see in the section below that - it shows kind of a dashboard view of videos that need your help. 0:27:59.422,0:28:05.976 Now - right now, I think people are used to seeing tasks in video's tabs. 0:28:05.976,0:28:08.494 We're going to try and be simplifying here. 0:28:08.494,0:28:12.626 And just to give a bit more context before I dive into the specifics here, 0:28:13.626,0:28:20.749 I'm going to kind of tell a story about a new type of work flow and a new type of collaboration 0:28:20.749,0:28:24.938 that we're envisioning for Amara in the future. 0:28:24.938,0:28:27.383 This is something that we've just started building now. 0:28:27.383,0:28:31.860 So it's not going to be ready tomorrow but we do want to release this stuff soon. 0:28:31.860,0:28:38.345 And - and the reason we are share it now is so we can start to get feedback ahead of time, 0:28:38.345,0:28:40.803 because we think it's very important to ‑ 0:28:42.049,0:28:46.411 I know folks in the community have asked for increased transparency 0:28:46.411,0:28:49.711 and we think that's really important. So this is part of that: 0:28:49.711,0:28:52.594 just hearing what you guys have to say, 0:28:52.594,0:28:54.509 sharing some of what we have been working on 0:28:54.509,0:29:01.768 and trying to kind of get all - get you guys' opinions, your thoughts, your feedback ahead of time. 0:29:02.568,0:29:07.468 So I'm going to start by just sort of painting this picture of what we're envisioning 0:29:07.468,0:29:10.285 for the future of the collaboration on Amara. 0:29:11.316,0:29:13.924 I think a lot of questions will be answered or at least 0:29:13.924,0:29:16.438 I hope a lot of the questions that were open will be answered. 0:29:16.438,0:29:19.853 We will go ahead and answer some more questions that we had 0:29:19.853,0:29:23.291 that we don't think are addressed by this and then we will do some live Q and A 0:29:23.291,0:29:27.051 for any other things that get missed from this presentation. 0:29:27.928,0:29:30.106 So this first screen, again, is the dashboard. 0:29:30.106,0:29:34.039 The idea is that as soon as a person comes to ‑ 0:29:34.824,0:29:38.516 whether it's a team that's moderated like the way TED is 0:29:38.516,0:29:40.262 or whether it's a more open team 0:29:40.262,0:29:45.993 the way that the Music Captioning team is, or the NewsHour team. 0:29:46.993,0:29:49.128 The idea is that when we are doing teams 0:29:49.128,0:29:53.792 we want people to easily be able to find projects quickly that they can work on. 0:29:54.700,0:30:02.741 If you go to the next slide, which is slide 4, the only thing that has changed is there is a little bit of a help hover. 0:30:02.741,0:30:08.550 The question mark that is near the "my projects" header. 0:30:08.550,0:30:14.056 I mean, the idea here is that we want to start building some of that documentation 0:30:14.056,0:30:17.859 and help into the interface so you don't have to go elsewhere to learn, 0:30:17.859,0:30:20.062 what does it mean to sign off on something 0:30:20.062,0:30:23.586 or what does it mean to create subtitles 0:30:23.586,0:30:25.726 or make a peer review or something like that. 0:30:27.695,0:30:31.436 The three languages needed hover down below just shows 0:30:31.436,0:30:37.400 that this particular video still hasn't had three languages completed on it. 0:30:38.585,0:30:43.863 If we go to the next slide, slide 5, this is where we show 0:30:43.863,0:30:46.058 some of the past work that someone has done. 0:30:46.058,0:30:48.289 This view shows an individual team, 0:30:48.289,0:30:51.948 but you can imagine this being a list of everything 0:30:51.948,0:30:57.553 that someone has worked on in the open Amara as well as everything you've done in different teams 0:30:57.553,0:31:01.464 and just sort of their overall profile of "What have I collaborated on?" 0:31:01.464,0:31:05.534 "What is still going on that other people are working on?" 0:31:05.534,0:31:09.433 "What have I done in the past?" and just giving people a better overview 0:31:09.433,0:31:12.587 of how they have contributed to different projects. 0:31:19.785,0:31:25.006 Let's see. I'm going - are we still ‑ we still have CART. I wanted to double check, 0:31:25.006,0:31:30.397 as I'm just - I've got the ‑ I going to scoot this over to the side. Sorry: a lot of windows here. 0:31:30.397,0:31:35.814 OK. So we're on slide 6 right now. This is another - another team view. 0:31:36.414,0:31:39.967 And this is just the videos' tab showing ‑ 0:31:39.967,0:31:44.846 so basic filters and generally trying to put work 0:31:44.846,0:31:48.315 that matches someone's language abilities and I realize 0:31:48.315,0:31:51.710 that the languages up the top don't necessarily match in this mock‑up. 0:31:51.710,0:31:55.922 But the idea is that where it says "select your languages" 0:31:56.706,0:31:59.924 that's going to be the filter for what is shown below 0:31:59.924,0:32:03.649 when you have the videos' tab filtered by "all of my languages" 0:32:03.649,0:32:07.523 you would see the things that you had selected, a combination of those things. 0:32:08.293,0:32:11.166 So for translation, that's going to be very helpful. 0:32:12.966,0:32:17.656 And - and I think the other important thing is here is that 0:32:17.656,0:32:24.090 the TED paradigm right now is a very - it's an individual person coming in 0:32:24.090,0:32:26.897 and creating subtitles and peer reviewing. 0:32:26.897,0:32:31.063 And we've taken that model and made it something flexible 0:32:31.063,0:32:33.264 so that when TED does things 0:32:33.264,0:32:37.843 they can have that individual person or translator voice 0:32:37.843,0:32:42.563 that they think is very important and that we want to support them doing, 0:32:42.563,0:32:45.839 but then, when there is a team that needs to be more open 0:32:45.839,0:32:51.208 and more sort of collaborative and dynamic, like the Music Captioning, 0:32:51.208,0:32:53.442 like the Captions Requested team, 0:32:53.442,0:32:58.590 we want to do something that still allows people to do peer review 0:32:58.590,0:33:01.493 but has a more flexible approach 0:33:01.493,0:33:05.246 so you can have multiple people kind of collaborating at the same time. 0:33:05.246,0:33:10.537 A little bit more overlap, but still enough structure so that people can say, 0:33:10.537,0:33:17.684 "Well, this captions still - or this video still needs captions [br]so let's make sure we get that done" 0:33:17.684,0:33:23.578 and then once the captions are actually built for the video, then it kind of disappears for the list. 0:33:23.578,0:33:28.458 And other things that need work and need collaboration go up to the top. 0:33:28.471,0:33:34.439 So the idea is to have a flexible model that can work really well with a more - 0:33:34.439,0:33:40.566 a more individualistic sort of approach, as well as a group approach. 0:33:41.597,0:33:50.879 And so if we go to the next slide, slide 7 ‑ this is a new - a mock up of the video page. 0:33:52.217,0:33:59.186 And this, again, is sort of a little bit of an amalgam of different - different things here. 0:33:59.186,0:34:03.020 So you can see, up the top, it says media from TED team. 0:34:03.020,0:34:07.642 So if this was not associated with a team it wouldn't have that button. 0:34:08.335,0:34:15.043 If it weren't a video that were being actively translated or let's say, wasn't part of a team, 0:34:15.043,0:34:19.382 you can see on this side, to the side of the video thumbnail, it says 0:34:19.382,0:34:21.617 subtitles needed in your languages, 0:34:21.617,0:34:25.689 subtitle in French, subtitle in Spanish, apply to team. 0:34:25.689,0:34:27.543 That would be adjusted based on 0:34:28.897,0:34:32.009 you know, whether or not that video was part of a team, 0:34:32.009,0:34:35.701 if it was just open and had been added to Amara as an individual video, 0:34:35.701,0:34:40.760 it may only have the, you know, If there were things in progress, 0:34:40.760,0:34:44.401 how you could help finish those pieces in progress. 0:34:45.217,0:34:49.902 Down below you can see there is a little bit more information around the status of things, 0:34:51.010,0:34:56.130 and again, some things may - may not ever have official review or peer review 0:34:56.130,0:34:59.228 they may just have a couple of different subtitle creators. 0:35:00.336,0:35:04.359 So, it's - we're really working on trying to make the team model 0:35:04.359,0:35:09.840 and the open model work a lot closer together and in concert together. 0:35:10.702,0:35:17.712 If we go to the next slide, which is slide 8, I believe this is just another view ‑ 0:35:17.712,0:35:23.785 the original ‑ the slide 7 had subtitles in the bottom just showing the transcript. 0:35:23.785,0:35:26.582 This next one is the activity and chat window. 0:35:26.582,0:35:33.458 So you can see you have a quick overview of who has done what, who has sort of said what, 0:35:33.458,0:35:36.972 and we're combining all of this stuff into a collaboration view 0:35:36.972,0:35:41.331 so you should see you can quickly see who made different revisions, 0:35:41.331,0:35:43.980 who has left comments, et cetera, et cetera. 0:35:45.111,0:35:51.762 If we go to the next slide, which is slide 9, then you'll see the revisions' tab, 0:35:51.762,0:35:54.135 and that's pretty similar to what we have right now. 0:35:55.181,0:35:59.531 And I - we are working on a new diff view 0:35:59.531,0:36:02.937 which will make things easier to compare together 0:36:02.937,0:36:06.040 but that's still under - under development. 0:36:06.491,0:36:09.695 If we go to the next slide, which is slide 10, 0:36:11.402,0:36:14.877 this is something that I actually wished I had Craig, 0:36:14.877,0:36:18.820 who is our product director, here to discuss, 0:36:18.820,0:36:20.920 because he is the one who has been driving ‑ 0:36:21.828,0:36:24.131 the driving force behind this new interface. 0:36:24.131,0:36:28.992 I'll do my best to talk about it. And some of these things have been updated. 0:36:28.992,0:36:34.321 And again, if - let's say you weren't on a video that was part of the team, 0:36:34.321,0:36:36.856 you might not have that sign‑off button. 0:36:36.856,0:36:43.900 Well, it might just be a "add thumbs up" to say these captions or subtitles look great. 0:36:44.885,0:36:54.590 But generally speaking, you can see that this interface - let's see - this shows a translation in - in progress. 0:36:54.590,0:37:00.602 But the idea is that we are moving from having a different translation interface 0:37:00.602,0:37:02.287 and different timing interface 0:37:02.287,0:37:08.911 and having these steps to a more fluid way of working 0:37:08.911,0:37:10.719 where someone is guided through 0:37:10.719,0:37:14.536 based on, you know, if we think you are going to be translating 0:37:14.536,0:37:18.464 from English to German because that's how you came in, 0:37:18.464,0:37:23.700 we'll give you - we'll give you the right pieces and right tools from the get go 0:37:23.700,0:37:26.669 with some instructions on how to do it. 0:37:27.569,0:37:35.130 But we're going to give you the ability to change your timing dynamically inside of this view. 0:37:36.453,0:37:45.081 Let's see. Let's go to slide 11 ‑ that just is a little bit of a closer up‑view of the new layout here. 0:37:45.789,0:37:53.677 One thing that we're - that isn't in this mock up but I think is worth mentioning 0:37:53.677,0:37:56.294 is the save button. 0:37:57.279,0:38:02.781 We've - we're working to make saving a little more explicit, a little more automatic 0:38:02.781,0:38:06.376 and something that someone feels like they have more control over, 0:38:06.376,0:38:11.192 because we've definitely gotten feedback that saving is tricky right now. 0:38:12.192,0:38:17.656 If we go to slide 12 ‑ this is another closer‑up view 0:38:17.656,0:38:22.460 showing some more timing information in the side bar 0:38:22.460,0:38:26.851 so you can see for this particular piece it's showing 0:38:26.851,0:38:31.414 there are 21 characters at 5.25 characters per second. 0:38:31.414,0:38:35.860 A lot of people who have come from the subtitling and captioning worlds 0:38:35.860,0:38:38.680 have requested this feature. 0:38:41.672,0:38:47.225 Actually, we had some new timing - 0:38:47.225,0:38:51.511 So that was slide 12 that we're on. I don't know if I mentioned the slide switch, I'm sorry - 0:38:52.850,0:38:58.868 I'm realizing we don't have the new timing - the new timing interface mock ups. 0:38:58.868,0:39:01.029 And that's still something that is fairly raw. 0:39:02.891,0:39:06.661 Let's see: I'm seeing - Jules just mentioned there is a chat. 0:39:08.738,0:39:13.878 Paul is asking what's the smallest screen size that is usable for the new interface. 0:39:13.878,0:39:18.090 That's something that we are still kind of working at, at this point. 0:39:19.167,0:39:22.770 We've talked about having the ability to zip the video up, 0:39:22.770,0:39:27.216 so that you could just see the lower third of the video 0:39:27.216,0:39:31.581 and have all of the timing and translation stuff show below 0:39:31.581,0:39:33.994 in order to save space. 0:39:34.811,0:39:40.029 This - this particular layout is going to be 0:39:40.029,0:39:43.735 something where you can close some of the side bars. 0:39:43.735,0:39:47.911 So if you want to kind of close things down so there is no horizontal scrolling, 0:39:48.758,0:39:52.926 you can do that. If you're on a screen that's smaller. 0:39:52.926,0:39:58.623 But we - this is still fairly early, it's not built in HTML yet. 0:39:58.623,0:40:01.600 So we haven't gotten down to the nuts and bolts 0:40:01.600,0:40:07.142 of what the screen resolutions - what exact screen resolutions will be supported, et cetera. 0:40:11.465,0:40:14.221 So let's see, before we get too off ‑ 0:40:14.744,0:40:17.263 before we start doing too many question and answers, 0:40:17.263,0:40:21.193 I just want to clarify that the other piece of this 0:40:21.193,0:40:25.360 that I don't have here to share you but I think is going to be really exciting 0:40:25.360,0:40:33.594 is right now we're in a place where you can create captions 0:40:33.594,0:40:40.019 you can time captions and subtitles, you can translate from a set of subtitles. 0:40:40.019,0:40:44.734 But if you want to change the timing of that new translated set of subtitles ‑ 0:40:44.734,0:40:48.641 We've - we're - I will get to this. We're going to re-enable that, 0:40:48.641,0:40:50.510 and that's a question that will come up. 0:40:50.510,0:40:54.368 But we want to make it so that you can now - 0:40:54.368,0:40:57.922 so right now if you edit the timing on that translation, 0:40:59.507,0:41:02.505 then you're going to no longer have a translation, 0:41:02.505,0:41:04.738 you are out of the translation interface 0:41:04.738,0:41:08.392 and just solely in the creating subtitles interface. 0:41:09.099,0:41:13.597 This new system will allow us to compare side by side 0:41:13.597,0:41:19.902 differently timed - differently timed translations and subtitles. 0:41:19.902,0:41:25.883 So if you have English to start with, and you translate into Spanish, 0:41:25.883,0:41:27.444 and then you want to change ‑ 0:41:27.444,0:41:30.584 you want to add a couple of lines in the Spanish side 0:41:30.584,0:41:33.400 and you want to shorten some of the subtitles, 0:41:34.569,0:41:40.250 then you are actually able to still compare English and Spanish next to one another. 0:41:40.896,0:41:42.735 And that's one of the things that I think 0:41:42.735,0:41:46.757 is going to be incredibly powerful about this new system. 0:41:46.757,0:41:49.070 It's one of the things I'm most excited about. 0:41:49.070,0:41:52.270 I want to make sure that - I don't think it comes across in this presentation 0:41:52.270,0:41:56.199 but that is something that we're working towards supporting 0:41:56.199,0:42:00.333 which I think is really important and really adds a lot of flexibility 0:42:00.333,0:42:02.829 to the experience of translation. 0:42:04.674,0:42:13.209 So, slide 13 is just the end cap. That's the basic presentation. 0:42:14.025,0:42:18.570 And I did have a number of different questions that came up in the forums. 0:42:18.570,0:42:22.907 And I'm really sorry that Jules isn't able to join me on this piece, 0:42:22.907,0:42:25.849 because this has been me talking and talking and talking. 0:42:25.849,0:42:34.233 and I don't want to bore folks and I don't want to just sound like I'm the only person talking here, 0:42:34.233,0:42:36.806 but I do think these questions are important to get to 0:42:36.806,0:42:45.304 and we have ‑ we really read carefully and ... yes? 0:42:45.304,0:42:48.205 I'm in the Mozilla offices right now. 0:42:48.205,0:42:50.674 And there is there is something ringing next to me. 0:42:53.090,0:42:57.963 OK. So here we go. I'm going to just answer some of the questions coming from the forum 0:43:00.656,0:43:03.881 that came from - and I'll mention who asked them. 0:43:03.881,0:43:06.410 There may be other people who are curious about them. 0:43:06.410,0:43:09.489 But this is just sort of in broad strokes trying to answer 0:43:09.489,0:43:11.466 as many of the questions that came up 0:43:11.466,0:43:14.126 that I don't think were addressed in the slide show. 0:43:14.126,0:43:18.330 And we can kind of come back to the slide show and answer questions in realtime 0:43:18.330,0:43:22.101 for things that people still don't - have the query that they would like. 0:43:22.101,0:43:26.527 So, there was a question from Booger Bender, Vivian and Claude 0:43:26.527,0:43:30.813 - by the way, I apologize if I mispronounce any names on - you know, 0:43:33.183,0:43:36.312 I told I'm really sorry if I do, but I'll do my best - 0:43:36.789,0:43:39.037 So this is about messaging and outreach. 0:43:39.514,0:43:43.340 Some folks were saying it would be great for us to highlight 0:43:43.340,0:43:50.015 the non - the nonprofit nature of our project, the open source nature of our project. 0:43:50.015,0:43:56.048 And some other folks were suggesting we did more outreach to deaf communities. 0:43:57.710,0:44:00.766 And we think those are both great ideas. 0:44:01.350,0:44:05.349 Our focus right now really is getting this new technology going. 0:44:05.349,0:44:10.453 We will obviously be ‑ we will be doing some ‑ 0:44:11.530,0:44:14.031 we are going to be starting an email newsletter soon, 0:44:14.031,0:44:16.854 which I think that might be a good place to start highlighting this stuff. 0:44:16.854,0:44:19.447 Eventually, we would like to really tighten up our website 0:44:19.447,0:44:21.270 because I know there are a lot of loose ends 0:44:21.270,0:44:25.451 and it could be better at explaining what our mission is 0:44:25.451,0:44:28.584 and how the Participatory Culture Foundation works 0:44:28.584,0:44:30.899 how Amara is totally volunteer driven, 0:44:32.669,0:44:36.684 and up our outreach to deaf communities. 0:44:36.684,0:44:41.142 In the meantime, if there are any folks here who can help us with this, 0:44:41.912,0:44:43.950 we would be more than thrilled to work with you. 0:44:43.950,0:44:47.272 Jules is going to be very active in the forums. 0:44:47.272,0:44:52.582 So if you're not a registered member of the forums, please do join 0:44:53.506,0:44:56.995 and we'd love to sort of discuss how can we work together to - 0:44:56.995,0:45:02.052 to better highlight some of these things and outreach to different communities 0:45:02.052,0:45:06.519 and keep stepping that - those efforts up 0:45:07.442,0:45:11.984 Another question was about video management, 0:45:11.984,0:45:15.988 which ‑ this is a technical question about the platform. 0:45:15.988,0:45:19.820 Someone was asking about the primary URL, being able to switch away. 0:45:19.820,0:45:24.385 And I think that we may have just done a release that actually allows you to see 0:45:24.385,0:45:28.235 the history of what the primary URL was and to be able to switch that. 0:45:28.235,0:45:36.209 I think that that used to be more ‑ I think that was just a minor bug or hiccup in our development 0:45:36.209,0:45:38.345 and that we're back online with that. 0:45:38.345,0:45:42.723 But I'd like to make sure we double check on that before I confirm that one hundred per cent. 0:45:43.153,0:45:46.817 One thing - one other technical thing I can confirm a hundred per cent, 0:45:46.817,0:45:53.747 this is something that [inaudible name] and Claire asked about editing, subtitling and timing bubbles. 0:45:55.040,0:45:58.179 They are asking about being able to end a caption. 0:45:58.179,0:46:01.505 So you press the down arrow to lay a caption down 0:46:01.505,0:46:03.482 and the caption is on the screen, 0:46:03.482,0:46:07.053 and then you press the down arrow and next one appears immediately 0:46:07.053,0:46:09.049 where the previous one left out. 0:46:09.049,0:46:16.647 The secret here is the up arrow will cut off that current subtitle that's being laid down. 0:46:16.647,0:46:21.812 So if you want to do a quick caption that says "music playing" 0:46:21.812,0:46:27.911 you'd press down when you wanted it to show, and then press the up arrow when you want it to disappear 0:46:27.911,0:46:29.611 and it will stop right there. 0:46:30.442,0:46:34.492 Let me know if that's the right question that you were asking. I think that's what you were asking. 0:46:35.877,0:46:39.787 There's - people consistently ask about full screen. 0:46:41.157,0:46:46.889 Will the widget, which is the embeddable little tab that goes on the bottom of the video ‑ 0:46:46.889,0:46:50.493 that will be able to do full screen captions. 0:46:50.493,0:46:57.202 It's really, unfortunately, a very difficult problem, mostly because of the way that the flash plugin works 0:46:57.202,0:47:03.234 the majority of these videos are flash videos - well, I mean, they may be MP4 videos 0:47:03.234,0:47:05.420 but they are playing through a flash player 0:47:05.420,0:47:08.864 and the problem is, when you go full screen with flash, 0:47:08.864,0:47:12.053 the flash is actually taking over the entire experience 0:47:12.053,0:47:15.963 and you can't do HTML overlay or Javascript on top of that. 0:47:15.963,0:47:22.523 And those are the technologies that power our browser widget, that little tab that you see. 0:47:22.523,0:47:25.903 And so we're working some of the major video hosts 0:47:25.903,0:47:31.164 to provide syncing that can link subtitles directly into their video player 0:47:31.164,0:47:35.850 and display the videos - erh, the subtitles through their video player - 0:47:35.850,0:47:39.278 the problem being that you have to be the original uploader 0:47:39.278,0:47:41.055 in order to enable that syncing. 0:47:42.132,0:47:47.604 So we'll continue to try to see if we can figure out a clever technical work around 0:47:47.604,0:47:52.964 to do some kind of full screen or near full screen overlay. 0:47:52.964,0:47:57.360 But bear in mind that that's just a really tough technical problem. 0:47:57.360,0:48:02.673 I'm sorry I don't have a more exciting and uplifting answer on that one. 0:48:03.642,0:48:09.062 Another question that we had was the original and primary language of video ‑ 0:48:09.062,0:48:15.830 we're working to improve - to improve the support for changing 0:48:15.830,0:48:19.654 what language - what language a video is actually spoken in. 0:48:19.654,0:48:25.595 So there is spoken dialog in a video. That's something that's coming up fairly soon. 0:48:26.965,0:48:31.618 There were a couple of features that had existed before 0:48:31.618,0:48:36.268 that people wanted to know about. 0:48:36.268,0:48:39.876 Subtitling directly from a video, pasting in a transcript 0:48:39.876,0:48:43.892 and uploading new subtitles over existing subtitles ‑ 0:48:43.892,0:48:49.817 these are things that our current system has, we have hit some different hurdles. 0:48:49.817,0:48:53.145 We're working on getting these features re‑established. 0:48:53.145,0:48:56.217 But they will likely be re‑established in the newer system, 0:48:56.217,0:48:58.256 the stuff I have just shown in the slides. 0:49:01.164,0:49:05.574 And I got like two more things left and then we can go to open questions. 0:49:05.574,0:49:09.293 Actually, I think that Jules mentioned there was a question from Jim Tobias 0:49:09.293,0:49:11.677 which I can try to answer really quickly. 0:49:13.862,0:49:17.627 Video- or team-oriented. Will there be a user-focused interface 0:49:17.627,0:49:22.172 that shows all the teams I'm on and all the videos I have worked on or have completed. 0:49:22.172,0:49:27.780 OK. So Jim Tobias asked if we're going to be doing a user-focused interface 0:49:27.780,0:49:31.469 that shows ‑ so let's say a user dashboard. 0:49:31.469,0:49:35.858 You log in and you see the videos you have worked on, the videos you've completed. 0:49:36.919,0:49:46.026 The slide - I'm not remembering the number of the slide - slide number - I think it was like 3 or 4 maybe. 0:49:46.026,0:49:53.650 No, 5. Slide number 5 does show past collaborations in the context of a team. 0:49:53.650,0:49:57.613 But we do want to do something similar that goes across teams, 0:49:57.613,0:50:01.751 so that if you log in and you have contributed to three teams 0:50:01.751,0:50:04.653 and different videos on three different teams 0:50:04.653,0:50:11.855 plus you've contributed to 20 various videos that are just individual videos on - on Amara, 0:50:11.855,0:50:16.325 we'd like to compile all those things together so you can see that all in one place. 0:50:17.048,0:50:19.139 I didn't - we don't have a mock up on that yet, 0:50:19.139,0:50:24.546 but that is something that we're thinking about and something we want to address and make better. 0:50:25.377,0:50:32.543 just because it is important for - it is important for people to be able to see what they've done 0:50:32.543,0:50:34.381 and come and get an overview of their history. 0:50:36.412,0:50:39.437 I'm seeing another question. Jules, who's that one from? 0:50:39.437,0:50:44.192 It's, is there any plan to add Mozilla persona to the available sign in methods? 0:50:44.192,0:50:47.406 Oh, I see, it's Pandark Zero (sp?). 0:50:49.370,0:50:54.210 I don't think we have immediate plans to add the Mozilla - 0:50:54.210,0:50:59.126 I'm assuming that thas a - an - that we could potentially do that through oOff (?). 0:50:59.572,0:51:05.859 I'm at the Mozilla offices today in San Francisco, so I can actually ask and see if that's a possibility. 0:51:06.721,0:51:10.395 It hadn't come up on our radar yet but we can definitely check into it. 0:51:12.426,0:51:16.169 Paulo Silva asks, maybe an important issue is 0:51:16.169,0:51:19.941 can we fix the original language if we set it wrongly at first? 0:51:19.941,0:51:23.455 It happened to me once and I struggled in fixing it. 0:51:24.732,0:51:29.801 Paulo, I - first of all, I want to apologize that it's not easier in the current system to do this. 0:51:30.632,0:51:33.000 And yes, we definitely want to make that simpler. 0:51:33.000,0:51:38.462 Because that's - it's one of those tricky things where, you know, the - 0:51:38.462,0:51:40.782 the data model that we're working on right now 0:51:40.782,0:51:43.988 was something that we created roughly two years ago 0:51:43.988,0:51:49.825 and of course it's not the ideal thing for where we are at with the project right now. 0:51:49.825,0:51:51.679 So that's the first thing that we're working on 0:51:52.325,0:51:55.181 and we're actually very close to having something out 0:51:55.181,0:52:00.530 that will be more flexible in that respect. So, thanks for that question. 0:52:03.299,0:52:07.568 Feel free to keep asking questions about anything that I have talked about, 0:52:07.568,0:52:11.565 any of the slides, anything that has been missing from the presentation 0:52:11.565,0:52:13.634 or pieces that you'd like to hear about. 0:52:14.111,0:52:22.438 Another thing that came from the forum - let's see, the different timing in different languages ‑ 0:52:22.438,0:52:28.498 So that was a question about being able to edit timing in different languages. 0:52:28.498,0:52:30.742 And that's coming back right now. 0:52:30.742,0:52:37.195 But ultimately we're really excited about that - that ability to remain 0:52:37.195,0:52:42.377 in the subtitling interface or the translation interface even if you have changed the timing. 0:52:44.592,0:52:48.382 Let's see, we have gotten a lot of good suggestions on the product front. 0:52:48.382,0:52:50.841 I'm not sure if I'm saying this name right 0:52:50.841,0:52:58.471 but Diomidis had a lot of really great suggestions for some hot keys and editor functionality 0:52:59.224,0:53:01.048 that I have passed on to the development team. 0:53:01.878,0:53:06.445 One suggestion that was put forth 0:53:06.445,0:53:09.811 was the ability to change the speed in the video play back. 0:53:10.442,0:53:13.596 Right now that's difficult with our system 0:53:13.596,0:53:15.450 because we aren't hosting the videos 0:53:15.450,0:53:20.827 and it's all done, sort off, through that - that just HTML and Javascript. 0:53:21.534,0:53:24.657 There may come a time when we are able to start doing something like that, 0:53:24.657,0:53:31.611 especially as HTML5 becomes more powerful and that technology grows. 0:53:31.611,0:53:35.113 But right now that is going to be a tough one. 0:53:35.113,0:53:39.783 But some of the other things ‑ there is a suggestion for a hot key 0:53:39.783,0:53:44.997 to skip to - to skip to lines that haven't been translated yet. 0:53:44.997,0:53:47.552 That's a - that's areally great suggestion. 0:53:47.552,0:53:51.003 We will definitely try to get that in there and a couple of those other things too. 0:53:52.926,0:53:55.170 OK, we got another question coming in. 0:53:59.124,0:54:04.396 Dumu- o man, this name is very difficult. I'm not going to be able to say it without butchering it. 0:54:05.304,0:54:08.850 [he laughs] dmulvany asks: 0:54:08.850,0:54:12.646 "Has there been any thought to providing interactive transcripts?" 0:54:14.061,0:54:17.130 So, that's the kind of thing where you see the video. 0:54:18.823,0:54:23.495 Yes, TED.com has an example of that: in fact, we have been working on this. 0:54:23.845,0:54:30.903 I don't know if we can get a link from - well, darned, I wish we could enable link sharing. 0:54:30.903,0:54:33.862 We need to look into seeing whether we can enable links in the YouTube comments, 0:54:34.939,0:54:39.622 because we do have a sample of that, an interactive transcript player. 0:54:39.622,0:54:46.777 where you're basically watching the video and you see the transcripts in a sort of a text box below the video. 0:54:46.777,0:54:49.733 You can scroll down it and click on the word 0:54:49.733,0:54:53.424 and the video will jump to that word and start playing immediately. 0:54:53.424,0:54:57.110 You can search through and look for key phrases. 0:54:57.572,0:55:01.086 We do have something like that that is just coming out of the lab. 0:55:02.148,0:55:05.763 So, maybe in the forum we can post a link to it. 0:55:08.532,0:55:10.779 And Darren, can you get that link if you have it? 0:55:13.794,0:55:15.699 OK. Do we have other - other questions? 0:55:15.699,0:55:21.397 I'm coming to basically the end of the questions from the forum posts. 0:55:21.397,0:55:24.670 There may have been a couple that I missed 0:55:24.670,0:55:27.712 so if there is anything on the forum that you left and I didn't get to it, 0:55:27.712,0:55:35.670 please - please just chime in on the YouTube - on the YouTube comments. 0:55:35.670,0:55:38.734 And we'll continue to keep an eye on the YouTube comments, 0:55:38.734,0:55:40.985 even after we're done with this. 0:55:40.985,0:55:45.238 So if there is anything that we missed, we can follow upon.[br][clicking sounds up to 0:56:06] 0:56:06.084,0:56:13.377 Alright, well it sounds like we're getting closer and closer to the conclusion of this event. 0:56:13.377,0:56:22.318 This has been really exciting. Let me - I'm going to check the window. 0:56:22.318,0:56:24.018 OK, there's - here is another question. 0:56:24.018,0:56:26.568 The launch date for the new embedder? 0:56:27.891,0:56:30.480 We don't have a solid date yet. 0:56:30.480,0:56:36.185 We - there are so many things that are hard to predict in what we're doing right now. 0:56:37.001,0:56:41.686 OH, ok, let's see. I'm just getting more information on that question. 0:56:41.686,0:56:44.924 So that was - that was Joshua Barajas 0:56:44.924,0:56:48.833 and the new embedder, is there a more specific launch date for that. 0:56:48.833,0:56:54.015 So that's the embedder with the interactive transcripts. [inaudible] 0:56:54.523,0:56:57.598 We basically have it out in Beta form right now. 0:56:57.598,0:57:03.519 So we can - we will share on the forums how to use that. 0:57:03.519,0:57:06.848 It's still kind of experimental so it's not perfect 0:57:06.848,0:57:12.138 but it's not anything that's ever going to mess up subtitle data or anything like that. 0:57:12.138,0:57:15.298 So it's a piece of code that we're comfortable sharing with folks 0:57:15.298,0:57:19.511 saying use this in situations that aren't mission-critical 0:57:19.511,0:57:21.916 and check it out, see what people think. 0:57:22.870,0:57:27.726 So we will get that up in the forum and also try to just mention 0:57:27.726,0:57:31.113 once we do in the YouTube comments. 0:57:34.759,0:57:37.204 Let's see. Paulo Silva asks: 0:57:37.204,0:57:42.624 "a very important feature missing: a kind of "guideline conflict spot out warnings" - 0:57:42.624,0:57:45.701 like sentences larger than 70 characters, 0:57:45.701,0:57:49.023 smaller than 1.5 seconds, etc." 0:57:50.131,0:57:56.974 That's a really great idea. If I understand it right, I - we should ‑ 0:57:58.082,0:58:04.062 let's continue that thread in the forums so we can develop that idea a little bit further. 0:58:04.062,0:58:08.327 Just so that I know and our team knows exactly what you're suggesting here. 0:58:08.327,0:58:12.813 But I think the idea sounds good, something that kind of gives some highlights 0:58:12.813,0:58:15.059 if maybe you have things that seem like 0:58:15.059,0:58:19.200 they may be less than optimal for captions or subtitles. Something like that. 0:58:19.200,0:58:20.700 That's a really good idea. 0:58:23.161,0:58:27.867 dmulvany asks again - see - another question: 0:58:27.867,0:58:31.754 "Has there been thought given to providing video description?" 0:58:32.646,0:58:34.669 We have definitely talked about it. 0:58:34.669,0:58:39.501 It's something that, you know, with this new system that we're building, 0:58:39.501,0:58:42.438 I think once we're there, we will be in a much better position 0:58:42.438,0:58:50.159 to start thinking about both video description as well as dubbing or voiceover translation. 0:58:50.159,0:58:56.917 Both of which we think could be really exciting, important pieces to the puzzle for greater accessibility 0:58:56.917,0:59:03.004 both for folks who are blind or have visual impairments 0:59:03.004,0:59:07.390 or people who, let's say, don't read ‑ they speak a different language 0:59:07.390,0:59:13.581 than the video is in and also don't read their primary language particularly well, 0:59:13.581,0:59:18.243 this could be really great for increasing accessibility there as well. 0:59:22.566,0:59:26.535 Okay. Let's see. There was another question. 0:59:31.849,0:59:36.761 Seelan asks: *Why was it kept a secret that the up arrow key is the way to cut a subtitle 0:59:36.761,0:59:38.646 instead of using the down arrow key?" 0:59:39.615,0:59:45.007 It wasn't really kept a secret. It was a lack of time to update the documentation - 0:59:45.007,0:59:50.219 a lack of - we've just been crazy busy with a lot of different projects 0:59:50.219,0:59:56.473 and hadn't had time to update the - the interface instructions on the side bar. 0:59:57.309,1:00:02.587 So, we're definitely not trying to keep secrets or leave Easter eggs lying around, 1:00:02.587,1:00:08.514 that happened to be something that we just didn't get as widely publicized as we probably should have. 1:00:10.114,1:00:12.203 So, my apologies for that. 1:00:12.617,1:00:20.665 And we'll make sure and try and have a comprehensive list of all of the keyboard shortcuts. 1:00:26.494,1:00:33.543 All right. We're getting close to the hour. Let's see.[br][clicking noises up to 1:00:43] 1:00:43.200,1:00:48.653 Do we have any other questions before we cap this discussion? 1:00:50.347,1:00:52.451 And let's see, just so ‑ 1:00:53.257,1:00:58.126 I don't know if it says how many was the largest number of viewers 1:00:58.126,1:01:04.999 but I have seen that we have had between 16 and 17 viewers,which is pretty cool. 1:01:07.715,1:01:09.561 Okay. We got one more. 1:01:10.834,1:01:15.766 dmulvany says on video description - adds: "Deaf-blind people 1:01:15.766,1:01:20.861 would benefit from seeing video description as text, rather than as audio." 1:01:22.553,1:01:27.349 Ah, yes, I think I was misunderstanding that you - 1:01:28.085,1:01:33.155 sometimes the terminology is a bit confusing - video description versus audio description 1:01:33.155,1:01:36.373 and I think I may have been mixing the two up. My apology. 1:01:37.484,1:01:40.280 I think there are a lot of different things that we can do 1:01:43.449,1:01:49.675 I think there are a lot of different things that we can do from the perspective of accessibility, 1:01:49.675,1:01:55.794 that we should ‑ we would like to ‑ 1:01:55.794,1:02:00.073 I think a lot of this just needs to be unpacked for us. 1:02:00.608,1:02:04.343 We put a lot of effort and time into trying to figure out 1:02:04.343,1:02:08.990 what the best approach is to accomplish ‑ 1:02:08.990,1:02:13.760 you know, to keep a simple interface that is something that is approachable 1:02:13.760,1:02:16.436 by people who are both young and old 1:02:16.436,1:02:22.725 in order to start creating subtitles and start creating captions and translate things. 1:02:23.637,1:02:28.302 We also want to make sure that we're being as inclusive as possible 1:02:28.302,1:02:32.899 with the interfaces, with the things that people are creating through the interfaces. 1:02:32.899,1:02:37.703 And to be honest, it's a big, big job to understand 1:02:37.703,1:02:40.397 what the universe of accessibility means. 1:02:40.750,1:02:49.313 So I think this is just a really good opportunity for us to ask you guys to help us learn more 1:02:49.313,1:02:52.102 and understand better how we can support 1:02:52.102,1:02:55.252 all of these different uses and and all these different use cases. 1:02:55.252,1:03:00.347 And I think a lot of this conversation that we're having right now, 1:03:00.347,1:03:03.960 these sorts of seeds, could really blossom on the forum. 1:03:03.960,1:03:09.110 So I'm hoping we can continue these conversations so we can learn more 1:03:09.110,1:03:13.265 about what folks are thinking about what would be the most effective approach 1:03:13.265,1:03:15.057 for us on some of these different issues. 1:03:15.057,1:03:23.773 And - just totally appreciative of everyone's time and thought and effort on helping us walk through these. 1:03:24.497,1:03:28.102 And I've got two more and then we will cap it after that. 1:03:30.175,1:03:35.436 So Claude asks: Could you go back on the future chat feature, please? 1:03:36.813,1:03:39.451 I think I'll need more clarification on that, 1:03:39.451,1:03:42.793 but maybe we could just take care of that in the forum as well. 1:03:42.793,1:03:49.131 And discuss that one in the comments or the forum. 1:03:49.720,1:03:54.959 Okay, Alex now asks: We Chinese need double subtitling display on team. 1:03:54.959,1:03:56.659 Could you implement that? 1:03:56.659,1:03:59.602 Double means showing both English and Chinese subs 1:03:59.602,1:04:03.119 in two lines simultaneously. Alex Mo. 1:04:05.640,1:04:12.686 That's another thing that there are ‑ that is another piece 1:04:12.686,1:04:16.965 outside of sort of the accessibility thing that I was just talking about. 1:04:16.965,1:04:21.932 This is something that I think we should definitely discuss 1:04:21.932,1:04:25.317 so that we can better understand how something like this 1:04:25.317,1:04:29.499 might work in the system, given all of the different ‑ 1:04:31.469,1:04:37.865 the challenges that we're facing of keeping the software usable and simple 1:04:37.865,1:04:42.424 from the perspective of, it has to work on as many languages as possible, 1:04:42.424,1:04:48.671 how can we accomplish what you're asking about with Amara. 1:04:48.671,1:04:50.858 I think we can definitely find a way to do it. 1:04:52.089,1:04:54.876 But I don't have an answer off the top of my head, 1:04:54.876,1:04:59.697 I think partly because I, you know, I'm not someone who speaks English and Chinese 1:04:59.697,1:05:05.494 and so figuring out exactly how ‑ what the expectation is 1:05:05.494,1:05:07.102 and how something like that would work, 1:05:07.825,1:05:10.712 we definitely just need to get a little bit more information 1:05:10.712,1:05:14.393 and I think we can and should be able to figure something out. 1:05:15.931,1:05:18.299 I will answer one last question: 1:05:18.299,1:05:23.897 Seelan is asking: "Are there plans to auto-sync subs made on Amara to videos on YouTube. 1:05:24.695,1:05:27.555 We have created lots of great subs on YouTube videos 1:05:27.555,1:05:32.800 but many people don't or can't re-upload these subs on YouTube source." 1:05:38.897,1:05:42.749 I'm not sure I totally understand that one, Seelan 1:05:42.749,1:05:49.120 but we - right now we're syncing in one direction from Amara to Yout- 1:05:49.120,1:05:55.117 Actually, we do grab subtitles from YouTube, and captions from YouTube 1:05:55.117,1:05:59.623 and we're just now starting to be able to sync them back to YouTube, 1:05:59.623,1:06:04.108 as long as you're the creator of the video on YouTube you can do that. 1:06:05.392,1:06:08.323 So I think we're on the right track there. 1:06:10.676,1:06:13.586 And if I'm not understanding that correctly we should also 1:06:14.448,1:06:16.846 carry that discussion forward in the forum as well.[br][typing noises up to 1:06:29] 1:06:29.718,1:06:33.516 Okay. Sorry, I'm just seeing people typing - typing things 1:06:33.516,1:06:37.074 and want to make sure I have got this all down correctly. 1:06:37.797,1:06:44.347 All right. I think that we should make sure to just continue - continue these conversations 1:06:44.347,1:06:47.079 and I know there are a couple at the end that I semi‑dodged 1:06:47.079,1:06:47.579 but I really want to make sure that we are able to address those 1:06:50.525,1:06:53.347 and that we are able to have those conversations and figure out 1:06:53.347,1:06:57.961 what - how we can expand on those different pieces 1:06:57.961,1:07:01.660 and make sure that we're serving as many different communities 1:07:01.660,1:07:04.305 as best as we possibly can. 1:07:04.985,1:07:11.984 And I think that the new - the new editor, the new collaboration model, 1:07:11.984,1:07:15.915 all of the stuff that we've shared and that we're working on right now, 1:07:15.915,1:07:18.916 I think that's going to be a major step in that direction. 1:07:18.916,1:07:24.641 And that there will still be obviously a lot of room for improvement, a lot of room to grow. 1:07:25.141,1:07:28.700 And I think there are probably a lot of things that we didn't discuss today 1:07:28.700,1:07:36.328 and that have to do with how do we ‑ how do we best represent 1:07:36.328,1:07:39.658 what volunteers have done, how do we show, 1:07:39.658,1:07:46.581 you know, here is a set of captions done primarily by this user but also this user helped. 1:07:46.650,1:07:51.302 And that's a really big question and a really big thing we have started to think about 1:07:51.302,1:07:53.364 but is so huge that we want to make sure 1:07:53.364,1:08:02.015 that we have the communities' voice and support and sort of heart in 1:08:02.015,1:08:03.008 as we move forward on it. 1:08:03.008,1:08:09.206 So, that's another big thing and maybe that's a topic for the next town hall meeting. 1:08:10.222,1:08:13.346 Thank you so much to everyone who participated. 1:08:13.346,1:08:17.400 I see that our viewership has dropped off a little bit. 1:08:17.400,1:08:23.964 Thank you to Michael for bringing CART into the ‑ into the picture. 1:08:23.964,1:08:29.106 Thank you to the CART operator for actually providing CART, totally amazing. 1:08:30.137,1:08:35.237 Jules and Darren, thank you both for helping kind of DJ the comments 1:08:35.237,1:08:38.522 and organize and get this whole thing off the ground. 1:08:38.522,1:08:43.154 And then of course, thanks to everyone who is here right now 1:08:43.154,1:08:44.823 and everyone who wasn't able to make it, 1:08:44.823,1:08:50.050 who has been helping us make Amara such an amazing project and tool. 1:08:50.050,1:08:54.369 and everything that it has become. 1:08:54.739,1:09:00.439 So, thank you, all and we will do this again ‑ I'm not sure exactly when. 1:09:00.439,1:09:04.009 But let's all kind of talk about it in the forums and discuss 1:09:04.009,1:09:06.332 when we do want to do it again and what we thought worked, 1:09:06.332,1:09:10.159 what we thought didn't and how we can improve upon this process. 1:09:10.159,1:09:11.491 So thank you, all. 1:09:11.491,1:09:14.237 (town hall ends)