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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does this title appeal to you?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.36,0:00:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are listening to Radio Here and Now 95.2 FM and online at icietmaintenant.com. You just
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.60,0:00:10.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,heard the four seasons of Vivaldi, the beginning of autumn because seasons change,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.48,0:00:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but unfortunately, the same can't be said about the political systems.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.76,0:00:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to discuss this, we are joined by Etienne Chouard, Hello Etienne.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.32,0:00:17.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.40,0:00:21.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Etienne, hello, I am going to briefly introduce you ... So you are an independent researcher,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.16,0:00:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw recently a video entitled: Etienne Chouard, researcher of the cause of causes,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.12,0:00:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.80,0:00:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes? Alright then we will say Etienne Chouard, researcher of the cause of causes, you are working on the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.76,0:00:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of democracy, fake democracy compared to genuine democracy, so I am going to try and summarize
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.00,0:00:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a few sentences your arguments and you can correct me if need be. So in short,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.84,0:00:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You think that we are living today in a fake democracy,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.48,0:01:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is based on the wrong choice, on the illusion of choice, when in reality the accurate name of the system
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.20,0:01:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which we live, is the representational government. Because real democracy (genuine democracy)
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.80,0:01:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not based on elections, but on lottery. Does this sound like a good introduction?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.24,0:01:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but in fact for someone who has never heard of this subject, it will be somewhat brutal
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.92,0:01:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are right, I used this short intro because we had you as a guest several times and our listeners
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.20,0:01:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are for the majority familiar with your thoughts. So, for the listeners who in fact
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.88,0:01:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are discovering this for the first time, I have here a book you talked about on this radio
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.60,0:01:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during your first appearance, anyways with me, and the book is called "Principes du Gouvernement Representatif"
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.80,0:01:42.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a book by Bernard Manin, and I want to thank Benjamin for
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.28,0:01:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lending it to me, he borrowed it from his local library, and I will read
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.96,0:01:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think reading from Bernard Manin is better than my introduction
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.76,0:02:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I will read these few sentences: " From Athenians democrats to Montesquieu,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.56,0:02:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Aristotle to Rousseau, no one thought of turning the election into THE democratic instrument of choice.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.20,0:02:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Democracy was not equivalent to a representational government. It was the lottery system that seemed better fit
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.84,0:02:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to respect strict equality of the candidates. What happened at the turn of the eighteenth century
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.00,0:02:22.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Europe and the United States, for this multi-secular concept to be reversed, and lose ground to the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.68,0:02:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a democracy is, in essence, a representational government? Is this change an accurate reflection?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.20,0:02:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This book represents a theory of representational government
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.76,0:02:41.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that fits both the European tradition and the American debate. Bernard Manin argues that
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.52,0:02:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the representational system does not have the unique function to allow citizens to self-govern.