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Does this title appeal to you?

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You are listening to Radio Here and Now 95.2 FM and online at icietmaintenant.com. You just

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heard the four seasons of Vivaldi, the beginning of autumn because seasons change,

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but unfortunately, the same can't be said about the political systems.

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And to discuss this, we are joined by Etienne Chouard, Hello Etienne.

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Hello

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Etienne, hello, I am going to briefly introduce you ... So you are an independent researcher,

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I saw recently a video entitled: Etienne Chouard, researcher of the cause of causes,

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Yes...

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Yes? Alright then we will say Etienne Chouard, researcher of the cause of causes, you are working on the idea

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of democracy, fake democracy compared to genuine democracy, so I am going to try and summarize

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in a few sentences your arguments and you can correct me if need be. So in short,

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You think that we are living today in a fake democracy,

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which is based on the wrong choice, on the illusion of choice, when in reality the accurate name of the system

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in which we live, is the representational government. Because real democracy (genuine democracy)

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is not based on elections, but on lottery. Does this sound like a good introduction?

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Yes, but in fact for someone who has never heard of this subject, it will be somewhat brutal

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you are right, I used this short intro because we had you as a guest several times and our listeners

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are for the majority familiar with your thoughts. So, for the listeners who in fact

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are discovering this for the first time, I have here a book you talked about on this radio

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during your first appearance, anyways with me, and the book is called "Principes du Gouvernement Representatif"

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It is a book by Bernard Manin, and I want to thank Benjamin for

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lending it to me, he borrowed it from his local library, and I will read

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I think reading from Bernard Manin is better than my introduction

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So I will read these few sentences: " From Athenians democrats to Montesquieu,

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from Aristotle to Rousseau, no one thought of turning the election into THE democratic instrument of choice.

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Democracy was not equivalent to a representational government. It was the lottery system that seemed better fit

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to respect strict equality of the candidates. What happened at the turn of the eighteenth century

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in Europe and the United States, for this multi-secular concept to be reversed, and lose ground to the idea

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that a democracy is, in essence, a representational government? Is this change an accurate reflection?

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This book represents a theory of representational government

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that fits both the European tradition and the American debate. Bernard Manin argues that

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the representational system does not have the unique function to allow citizens to self-govern.