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…I don’t know… I don’t know what you’re searching

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No no, that’s true really

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because… nobody who…

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who has to tell us that

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yes.

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Go?

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Yes, go.

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Well, the project of airport arrived

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in the region, it was annonced in the journal,

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people discovered it by reading the journal one morning

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that they wanted build an airport here

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and it was in 70s… or 69 perhaps even

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and so that project has around

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40 years now, it was an exagerated project

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then, they imaginated that air transport would become

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like… there will be… everybody

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would move everytime by plane,

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by helicopter, that one would link very near cities

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by the air, and… they always had a lot of arguments

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to explain it was a good idea.

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And so, since 40 years, this region is threatened

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by this project

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At the time, the firsts to mobilize themselves against this project

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it was peasants, and they created an association

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that is called ADECA

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Their main aim was to maintain an agricultural activity

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on the zone, because the State propaganda

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was it was deserted area

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and that one can do what one wants.

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They, they said "well, no, here there is life,

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there are working peasants"

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And so, it was mainly this

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and at the time of the 70s, in the region,

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it is movements of working peasants

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and in fact it is peasants who have

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an awareness of the class conflict.

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They didn’t think… they didn’t struggle

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just only for their own tool to work

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But they really saw there were links

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with the working class,

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that their situation wasn’t so different of that

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and they endorse the struggles

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there were in the factories.

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And so, that, it was a quite strong movement

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at the time

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and another…

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At the time also, what was quite strong

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were anti-nuclear struggles,

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and in the region there were many victories about that,

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where many projects of nuclear plants

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aborded and were abandonned

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after quite difficult struggles.

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What happened after

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was they declared this area as a

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Area of deffered building

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It’s the ZAD

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We, we still use this word

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today but as a

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Zone To Defend (ZAD)

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or for them area to destroy

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But at the time, it enabled them, each time,

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to be first on the list to buy a land.

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As soon as something was sold

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They had priority

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and the Department bought the land

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And they did that during many years.

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Mainly in the 70s,

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people didn’t believe anymore in the farming,

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they said "it’s all over,

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we can no more live from farming".

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And so, since 70s,

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there was that purchase of the land

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but, also, the project, they didn’t speak

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about more concretely.

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It wasn’t anymore… neither the institutions, neither the medias

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spoke about.

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And during a long time, they continued

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to buy the land

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whithout it was really clear

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the project will happen.

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Because they didn’t ended this project…

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Because they have…

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It was probably also because of the economical crisis

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in the 70s, that made up it was a bit…

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it gives the impression they abandonned the project

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they didn’t speak anymore, and in fact

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during all that time they bought the land

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and so, with the time, they became

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owner of the a big part of the area

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I don’t remember was is… the totality of…

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Who is there into?

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It’s the department, the region

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who bought during all that time

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and what happened then

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memories gradually forgot

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people were no more vigilant

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about that story

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because nobody spoke about that

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And it is only in 2001 that the project

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appeared again.

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Government said it will build

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an airport here.

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And at this time was created

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an citizen opposition

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where there is an association called

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ACIPA

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ACIPA?

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Yep.

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The Association of Citizens Impacted

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by the Project of Airport

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I think, I’m not very sure.

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They worked about a lot of different schemes,

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a lot of juridical claims

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to ask the abrogation of the project.

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They also worked a lot with the elected people

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to make up there are more and more

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political people opposed

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to the project, and to do that gradually

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it arrived in the government

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Also, a lot, they made

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big information campaigns

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I think they were quite active during a moment also

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about… to these and these actions

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but always with a symbolic spirit

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at the time.

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And during drillings,

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the first land studies happened,

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the drillings,

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it began there were more outsiders

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who joined the movement

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But perhaps, what I forget to say,

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is that during the 2000s,

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at the government level,

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at the level of institutions,

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they made a bill about a declaration of public utility

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to say that the airport was recognized as useful

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for the population

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and from this moment

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they opened the possibility of performing the project.

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It was in 2008.

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And in 2009 they began land studies

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And from that moment some people

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came from outside

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and simultaneously local people

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perceived the need of more people there

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because during the first resistances against the drills

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they react by bringing more policemen

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and soldiers on the ground

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to enable to achieve the studies

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And since there was like that something…

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the number of present opponents was important

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there was a sort of appeal to exterior

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to join the struggle

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Because before… they said citizens endorsed

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the projects before even to know if the project was…

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achievable, that we could do it?

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Yep.

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Before making the studies, they said the citizens…

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They acted as if they asked the citizens

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to say the project was ok for them

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but in fact, that enquiry say nothing

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Even if everybody is against,

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it’s them who decide if it is of public utility.

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And at the time, this step

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if really important because

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it’s like…

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it’s the concrete realization

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of the project

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and during that time

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associations thought they could give their opinions

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say "us, we think this project

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is not interessant and we don’t want give

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our land for that"

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and they came toward institutions

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that say that

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but they were not heared

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whereas for instance

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in other struggles against nuclear plants

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for instance in Plogoff in the peak of the Brittany

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from the start inhabitants were opposed

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to this project and from the start they said

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"we will not leave the enquiry happen"

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but here it was accepted

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citizens associations said themselves

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they could give their opinion

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about that, and they realized after

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that, even if they said they were against the project,

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it didn’t changed anything

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and they were not heared.

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And, why is it important to be here

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and what would you to tell to the people

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to mobilize, then to come?

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I, I don’t know if…

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During a long time we called

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to occupy here

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and it was in order to be more people

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to squatter here on this area

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and presently we are quite…

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in a sort of dilemna

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because to oppose to the project we need to be more people

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and at the same time, to be a bit organized,

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and efficient, we need more dense

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links between us.

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And so I don’t know if I want to say, you see,

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you ask me if…

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I don’t know if I want to say

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"Really really come here to fight with us"

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I, I think… I’m happy to know

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there are people who fight in other places also

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and this, for me, it’s really worth to know

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and perhaps to create a link

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but I don’t want at any cost to say

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people to come here to join us

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and…

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we, we arrived after the first drillings,

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in fact during the first drillings, the associations

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began to understand it needs

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more people here

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and they called, they asked

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to some people to organized a camp,

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it was an Action Climate Camp

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and after this Action Climate Camp

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we launched an appeal to occupy

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And from this time there was this…

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we supported during a long time

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this call to occupy.

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Today people begin to know this site

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and they come by themselves

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try to support

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and sometimes to imply or inhabit

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and join the way

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we are organized here.

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But the Occupy movement became stronger since two years

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Today we are in the time of evinctions

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and, I, I’ve the sensation that if there are people

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who want participate in this struggle with us

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they are welcome, but I don’t want to do propaganda like

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"really, people have to come here,

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it’s the more important thing in the world"

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No, it’s not the more important.

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Capitalism and State, we have to step down it

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anywhere in the world

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we have to fight against State and capitalism

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anywhere in the world

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no more here than anywhere else.

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Could you tell about the nature here like…

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About the Nature… like… you protect…

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In fact, what is special here

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is that this project was announced

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40 years ago, and during these 40 years they bought land

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and so they prohibit

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building of new locations,

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new houses,

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because each time they bought

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they bought also houses

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the one they didn’t like, they destroyed them

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and so, this space, in some way, this project…

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this space had been protected because…

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there is no urbanization here,

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people could’t access the ground,

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didn’t have access to houses here,

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because the department bought it systematically

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and so although it is a region of intensive farming

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there are a lot of meadows for milk cows…

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different…

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but anyhow it is big farms

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it’s intensive farming

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and into that

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there are some pieces of land which are abandonned

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which are forgotten in fact

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and there is bocage.

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And there are places where there is also

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we are in very damp soils

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there are uncultivable land, but…

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it’s some paradox

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they wanted to build an urbanization project

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and they still want realise this enormous urbanization project

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but in fact, since it is during since 40 years,

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it last 40 years that the land are more quiet than elsewhere

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And how many inhabitants are here?

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I don’t know the answer for this question

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In the…

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In neighbourhoods?

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Yes.

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It depends because there are different villages

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and we are between three villages

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And how many people should leave their houses?

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Leave their houses?

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I don’t know exactly…

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About?

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I would say 80, but…

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It’s a lot of people because they empty the area gradually

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There are not a lot of people who have to leave

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But anyhow they are people

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Anyhow they are people…

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Yes…

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who have their lives here

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Would you like to [??]?

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Or not, I don’t know.

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I don’t know… that the struggle continue, well.

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Merci (thank you).