0:00:03.602,0:00:05.376 …I don’t know… I don’t know what you’re searching 0:00:05.376,0:00:07.814 No no, that’s true really 0:00:07.814,0:00:11.314 because… nobody who… 0:00:11.314,0:00:13.529 who has to tell us that 0:00:13.529,0:00:14.286 yes. 0:00:16.071,0:00:17.160 Go? 0:00:17.160,0:00:18.950 Yes, go. 0:00:18.950,0:00:23.323 Well, the project of airport arrived 0:00:23.323,0:00:26.436 in the region, it was annonced in the journal, 0:00:26.436,0:00:28.959 people discovered it by reading the journal one morning 0:00:28.959,0:00:30.867 that they wanted build an airport here 0:00:30.867,0:00:35.996 and it was in 70s… or 69 perhaps even 0:00:35.996,0:00:39.694 and so that project has around 0:00:39.694,0:00:44.638 40 years now, it was an exagerated project 0:00:44.638,0:00:51.163 then, they imaginated that air transport would become 0:00:51.163,0:00:55.720 like… there will be… everybody 0:00:55.720,0:00:57.806 would move everytime by plane, 0:00:57.806,0:01:01.127 by helicopter, that one would link very near cities 0:01:01.127,0:01:06.994 by the air, and… they always had a lot of arguments 0:01:06.994,0:01:13.048 to explain it was a good idea. 0:01:13.048,0:01:15.895 And so, since 40 years, this region is threatened 0:01:15.895,0:01:17.183 by this project 0:01:17.183,0:01:26.320 At the time, the firsts to mobilize themselves against this project 0:01:26.320,0:01:32.087 it was peasants, and they created an association 0:01:32.087,0:01:33.714 that is called ADECA 0:01:35.391,0:01:41.488 Their main aim was to maintain an agricultural activity 0:01:41.488,0:01:46.301 on the zone, because the State propaganda 0:01:46.301,0:01:48.249 was it was deserted area 0:01:48.249,0:01:49.965 and that one can do what one wants. 0:01:49.965,0:01:51.809 They, they said "well, no, here there is life, 0:01:51.809,0:01:54.818 there are working peasants" 0:01:56.311,0:01:57.919 And so, it was mainly this 0:01:58.334,0:02:02.113 and at the time of the 70s, in the region, 0:02:02.113,0:02:07.922 it is movements of working peasants 0:02:07.922,0:02:10.400 and in fact it is peasants who have 0:02:10.400,0:02:12.727 an awareness of the class conflict. 0:02:12.727,0:02:14.921 They didn’t think… they didn’t struggle 0:02:14.921,0:02:17.258 just only for their own tool to work 0:02:17.258,0:02:19.374 But they really saw there were links 0:02:19.374,0:02:21.007 with the working class, 0:02:21.007,0:02:24.327 that their situation wasn’t so different of that 0:02:24.327,0:02:25.920 and they endorse the struggles 0:02:25.920,0:02:27.165 there were in the factories. 0:02:27.165,0:02:29.945 And so, that, it was a quite strong movement 0:02:29.945,0:02:31.348 at the time 0:02:33.056,0:02:34.860 and another… 0:02:35.906,0:02:37.725 At the time also, what was quite strong 0:02:37.725,0:02:39.915 were anti-nuclear struggles, 0:02:39.915,0:02:46.755 and in the region there were many victories about that, 0:02:46.755,0:02:48.761 where many projects of nuclear plants 0:02:48.761,0:02:51.825 aborded and were abandonned 0:02:51.825,0:02:55.447 after quite difficult struggles. 0:02:57.463,0:03:01.237 What happened after 0:03:01.237,0:03:05.082 was they declared this area as a 0:03:05.082,0:03:07.436 Area of deffered building 0:03:07.436,0:03:08.915 It’s the ZAD 0:03:08.915,0:03:10.438 We, we still use this word 0:03:10.438,0:03:12.015 today but as a 0:03:12.015,0:03:13.508 Zone To Defend (ZAD) 0:03:13.508,0:03:15.064 or for them area to destroy 0:03:15.941,0:03:19.946 But at the time, it enabled them, each time, 0:03:19.946,0:03:24.404 to be first on the list to buy a land. 0:03:24.404,0:03:26.931 As soon as something was sold 0:03:26.931,0:03:28.009 They had priority 0:03:28.009,0:03:30.833 and the Department bought the land 0:03:30.833,0:03:34.466 And they did that during many years. 0:03:34.466,0:03:35.754 Mainly in the 70s, 0:03:35.754,0:03:38.801 people didn’t believe anymore in the farming, 0:03:38.801,0:03:40.048 they said "it’s all over, 0:03:40.048,0:03:44.110 we can no more live from farming". 0:03:45.003,0:03:47.420 And so, since 70s, 0:03:47.420,0:03:50.587 there was that purchase of the land 0:03:50.587,0:03:56.834 but, also, the project, they didn’t speak 0:03:56.834,0:03:58.387 about more concretely. 0:03:58.387,0:04:03.630 It wasn’t anymore… neither the institutions, neither the medias 0:04:03.630,0:04:05.225 spoke about. 0:04:05.225,0:04:06.923 And during a long time, they continued 0:04:06.923,0:04:08.368 to buy the land 0:04:08.368,0:04:10.726 whithout it was really clear 0:04:10.726,0:04:13.882 the project will happen. 0:04:15.052,0:04:18.387 Because they didn’t ended this project… 0:04:18.649,0:04:21.025 Because they have… 0:04:21.025,0:04:24.522 It was probably also because of the economical crisis 0:04:24.522,0:04:28.608 in the 70s, that made up it was a bit… 0:04:28.608,0:04:31.409 it gives the impression they abandonned the project 0:04:31.409,0:04:33.340 they didn’t speak anymore, and in fact 0:04:33.340,0:04:35.457 during all that time they bought the land 0:04:35.457,0:04:37.123 and so, with the time, they became 0:04:37.123,0:04:39.996 owner of the a big part of the area 0:04:39.996,0:04:45.397 I don’t remember was is… the totality of… 0:04:45.397,0:04:47.212 Who is there into? 0:04:47.212,0:04:50.043 It’s the department, the region 0:04:50.043,0:04:52.966 who bought during all that time 0:04:52.966,0:04:54.632 and what happened then 0:04:54.632,0:04:56.585 memories gradually forgot 0:04:56.585,0:04:58.962 people were no more vigilant 0:04:58.962,0:05:01.054 about that story 0:05:01.054,0:05:02.476 because nobody spoke about that 0:05:02.476,0:05:06.924 And it is only in 2001 that the project 0:05:06.924,0:05:08.039 appeared again. 0:05:08.039,0:05:11.085 Government said it will build 0:05:11.085,0:05:12.726 an airport here. 0:05:12.726,0:05:14.962 And at this time was created 0:05:14.962,0:05:17.322 an citizen opposition 0:05:17.322,0:05:18.339 where there is an association called 0:05:18.339,0:05:19.776 ACIPA 0:05:19.776,0:05:20.449 ACIPA? 0:05:20.449,0:05:20.949 Yep. 0:05:21.087,0:05:23.282 The Association of Citizens Impacted 0:05:23.282,0:05:24.455 by the Project of Airport 0:05:24.455,0:05:28.407 I think, I’m not very sure. 0:05:30.177,0:05:33.058 They worked about a lot of different schemes, 0:05:33.058,0:05:35.176 a lot of juridical claims 0:05:35.176,0:05:38.972 to ask the abrogation of the project. 0:05:40.803,0:05:43.401 They also worked a lot with the elected people 0:05:43.401,0:05:45.794 to make up there are more and more 0:05:45.794,0:05:48.051 political people opposed 0:05:48.051,0:05:50.724 to the project, and to do that gradually 0:05:50.724,0:05:55.606 it arrived in the government 0:05:55.606,0:05:57.220 Also, a lot, they made 0:05:57.220,0:05:59.203 big information campaigns 0:05:59.203,0:06:02.393 I think they were quite active during a moment also 0:06:02.393,0:06:07.926 about… to these and these actions 0:06:07.926,0:06:12.375 but always with a symbolic spirit 0:06:12.375,0:06:13.685 at the time. 0:06:16.561,0:06:19.555 And during drillings, 0:06:19.555,0:06:21.502 the first land studies happened, 0:06:21.502,0:06:24.560 the drillings, 0:06:24.560,0:06:29.635 it began there were more outsiders 0:06:29.635,0:06:32.430 who joined the movement 0:06:32.430,0:06:35.812 But perhaps, what I forget to say, 0:06:35.812,0:06:37.992 is that during the 2000s, 0:06:37.992,0:06:41.326 at the government level, 0:06:41.326,0:06:44.323 at the level of institutions, 0:06:44.323,0:06:46.997 they made a bill about a declaration of public utility 0:06:46.997,0:06:49.908 to say that the airport was recognized as useful 0:06:49.908,0:06:52.010 for the population 0:06:52.010,0:06:54.252 and from this moment 0:06:54.252,0:07:00.363 they opened the possibility of performing the project. 0:07:00.363,0:07:01.698 It was in 2008. 0:07:01.698,0:07:04.832 And in 2009 they began land studies 0:07:04.832,0:07:06.198 And from that moment some people 0:07:06.198,0:07:08.282 came from outside 0:07:08.282,0:07:09.686 and simultaneously local people 0:07:09.686,0:07:13.456 perceived the need of more people there 0:07:13.456,0:07:19.209 because during the first resistances against the drills 0:07:19.209,0:07:24.121 they react by bringing more policemen 0:07:24.121,0:07:25.844 and soldiers on the ground 0:07:25.844,0:07:28.297 to enable to achieve the studies 0:07:28.297,0:07:30.604 And since there was like that something… 0:07:30.604,0:07:34.893 the number of present opponents was important 0:07:34.893,0:07:37.529 there was a sort of appeal to exterior 0:07:37.529,0:07:41.203 to join the struggle 0:07:43.479,0:07:48.602 Because before… they said citizens endorsed 0:07:48.602,0:07:52.870 the projects before even to know if the project was… 0:07:58.870,0:08:02.669 achievable, that we could do it? 0:08:02.669,0:08:03.169 Yep. 0:08:03.522,0:08:07.453 Before making the studies, they said the citizens… 0:08:07.453,0:08:10.883 They acted as if they asked the citizens 0:08:10.883,0:08:14.474 to say the project was ok for them 0:08:14.474,0:08:18.279 but in fact, that enquiry say nothing 0:08:18.279,0:08:20.072 Even if everybody is against, 0:08:20.072,0:08:24.087 it’s them who decide if it is of public utility. 0:08:24.087,0:08:28.835 And at the time, this step 0:08:28.835,0:08:31.248 if really important because 0:08:31.248,0:08:33.873 it’s like… 0:08:33.873,0:08:35.852 it’s the concrete realization 0:08:35.852,0:08:37.681 of the project 0:08:37.681,0:08:39.265 and during that time 0:08:39.265,0:08:42.316 associations thought they could give their opinions 0:08:42.316,0:08:45.884 say "us, we think this project 0:08:45.884,0:08:47.720 is not interessant and we don’t want give 0:08:47.720,0:08:49.706 our land for that" 0:08:49.706,0:08:51.152 and they came toward institutions 0:08:51.152,0:08:52.237 that say that 0:08:52.237,0:08:53.882 but they were not heared 0:08:53.882,0:08:55.912 whereas for instance 0:08:55.912,0:08:58.458 in other struggles against nuclear plants 0:08:58.458,0:09:01.743 for instance in Plogoff in the peak of the Brittany 0:09:01.743,0:09:05.760 from the start inhabitants were opposed 0:09:05.760,0:09:07.843 to this project and from the start they said 0:09:07.843,0:09:11.962 "we will not leave the enquiry happen" 0:09:11.962,0:09:15.052 but here it was accepted 0:09:15.052,0:09:16.924 citizens associations said themselves 0:09:16.924,0:09:18.787 they could give their opinion 0:09:18.787,0:09:20.680 about that, and they realized after 0:09:20.680,0:09:24.900 that, even if they said they were against the project, 0:09:24.900,0:09:27.621 it didn’t changed anything 0:09:27.621,0:09:31.883 and they were not heared. 0:09:31.883,0:09:36.250 And, why is it important to be here 0:09:36.250,0:09:38.167 and what would you to tell to the people 0:09:38.167,0:09:40.776 to mobilize, then to come? 0:09:47.007,0:09:49.407 I, I don’t know if… 0:09:49.407,0:09:51.476 During a long time we called 0:09:51.476,0:09:53.629 to occupy here 0:09:53.629,0:09:57.436 and it was in order to be more people 0:09:57.436,0:09:59.719 to squatter here on this area 0:09:59.719,0:10:02.489 and presently we are quite… 0:10:02.489,0:10:05.722 in a sort of dilemna 0:10:05.722,0:10:11.699 because to oppose to the project we need to be more people 0:10:11.699,0:10:14.753 and at the same time, to be a bit organized, 0:10:14.753,0:10:17.959 and efficient, we need more dense 0:10:17.959,0:10:20.052 links between us. 0:10:20.052,0:10:22.231 And so I don’t know if I want to say, you see, 0:10:22.231,0:10:23.917 you ask me if… 0:10:23.917,0:10:25.049 I don’t know if I want to say 0:10:25.049,0:10:27.357 "Really really come here to fight with us" 0:10:27.357,0:10:31.292 I, I think… I’m happy to know 0:10:31.292,0:10:33.724 there are people who fight in other places also 0:10:33.724,0:10:36.405 and this, for me, it’s really worth to know 0:10:36.405,0:10:39.611 and perhaps to create a link 0:10:39.611,0:10:41.965 but I don’t want at any cost to say 0:10:41.965,0:10:43.788 people to come here to join us 0:10:43.788,0:10:44.575 and… 0:10:45.298,0:10:48.363 we, we arrived after the first drillings, 0:10:48.363,0:10:50.152 in fact during the first drillings, the associations 0:10:50.152,0:10:52.114 began to understand it needs 0:10:52.114,0:10:54.030 more people here 0:10:54.030,0:10:57.119 and they called, they asked 0:10:57.119,0:10:58.847 to some people to organized a camp, 0:10:58.847,0:11:00.638 it was an Action Climate Camp 0:11:00.638,0:11:02.477 and after this Action Climate Camp 0:11:02.477,0:11:05.357 we launched an appeal to occupy 0:11:05.357,0:11:08.036 And from this time there was this… 0:11:10.036,0:11:11.575 we supported during a long time 0:11:11.575,0:11:13.215 this call to occupy. 0:11:13.215,0:11:14.877 Today people begin to know this site 0:11:14.877,0:11:16.330 and they come by themselves 0:11:16.330,0:11:18.066 try to support 0:11:18.066,0:11:21.289 and sometimes to imply or inhabit 0:11:21.289,0:11:22.641 and join the way 0:11:22.641,0:11:24.786 we are organized here. 0:11:26.233,0:11:33.753 But the Occupy movement became stronger since two years 0:11:33.753,0:11:36.914 Today we are in the time of evinctions 0:11:41.053,0:11:43.722 and, I, I’ve the sensation that if there are people 0:11:43.722,0:11:46.465 who want participate in this struggle with us 0:11:46.465,0:11:49.061 they are welcome, but I don’t want to do propaganda like 0:11:49.061,0:11:50.788 "really, people have to come here, 0:11:50.788,0:11:52.304 it’s the more important thing in the world" 0:11:52.304,0:11:54.650 No, it’s not the more important. 0:11:54.650,0:11:56.325 Capitalism and State, we have to step down it 0:11:56.325,0:11:58.704 anywhere in the world 0:11:58.704,0:12:01.726 we have to fight against State and capitalism 0:12:01.726,0:12:03.483 anywhere in the world 0:12:03.483,0:12:08.477 no more here than anywhere else. 0:12:08.477,0:12:12.564 Could you tell about the nature here like… 0:12:12.564,0:12:17.315 About the Nature… like… you protect… 0:12:17.315,0:12:21.759 In fact, what is special here 0:12:21.759,0:12:26.379 is that this project was announced 0:12:26.379,0:12:29.779 40 years ago, and during these 40 years they bought land 0:12:29.779,0:12:32.355 and so they prohibit 0:12:32.355,0:12:34.137 building of new locations, 0:12:34.137,0:12:35.873 new houses, 0:12:35.873,0:12:37.642 because each time they bought 0:12:37.642,0:12:39.148 they bought also houses 0:12:39.148,0:12:41.434 the one they didn’t like, they destroyed them 0:12:41.434,0:12:46.438 and so, this space, in some way, this project… 0:12:46.454,0:12:49.880 this space had been protected because… 0:12:49.880,0:12:53.356 there is no urbanization here, 0:12:53.356,0:12:55.487 people could’t access the ground, 0:12:55.487,0:12:56.680 didn’t have access to houses here, 0:12:56.680,0:13:01.955 because the department bought it systematically 0:13:01.955,0:13:07.051 and so although it is a region of intensive farming 0:13:07.051,0:13:12.471 there are a lot of meadows for milk cows… 0:13:13.840,0:13:15.199 different… 0:13:15.199,0:13:17.820 but anyhow it is big farms 0:13:17.820,0:13:20.998 it’s intensive farming 0:13:20.998,0:13:22.243 and into that 0:13:22.243,0:13:24.168 there are some pieces of land which are abandonned 0:13:24.168,0:13:25.886 which are forgotten in fact 0:13:25.886,0:13:26.966 and there is bocage. 0:13:26.966,0:13:28.798 And there are places where there is also 0:13:28.798,0:13:32.400 we are in very damp soils 0:13:32.400,0:13:36.357 there are uncultivable land, but… 0:13:37.464,0:13:40.527 it’s some paradox 0:13:40.527,0:13:42.885 they wanted to build an urbanization project 0:13:42.885,0:13:46.511 and they still want realise this enormous urbanization project 0:13:46.511,0:13:48.407 but in fact, since it is during since 40 years, 0:13:48.407,0:13:53.261 it last 40 years that the land are more quiet than elsewhere 0:13:53.261,0:13:55.635 And how many inhabitants are here? 0:13:55.635,0:13:59.926 I don’t know the answer for this question 0:13:59.926,0:14:01.219 In the… 0:14:01.219,0:14:02.471 In neighbourhoods? 0:14:02.471,0:14:03.013 Yes. 0:14:03.983,0:14:08.175 It depends because there are different villages 0:14:08.175,0:14:12.833 and we are between three villages 0:14:12.833,0:14:17.547 And how many people should leave their houses? 0:14:17.547,0:14:19.923 Leave their houses? 0:14:19.923,0:14:23.086 I don’t know exactly… 0:14:23.086,0:14:23.854 About? 0:14:23.854,0:14:25.754 I would say 80, but… 0:14:26.401,0:14:30.221 It’s a lot of people because they empty the area gradually 0:14:30.221,0:14:35.088 There are not a lot of people who have to leave 0:14:35.088,0:14:36.246 But anyhow they are people 0:14:36.246,0:14:37.249 Anyhow they are people… 0:14:37.249,0:14:38.104 Yes… 0:14:38.104,0:14:40.083 who have their lives here 0:14:41.498,0:14:43.352 Would you like to [??]? 0:14:49.029,0:14:50.380 Or not, I don’t know. 0:14:52.888,0:14:55.434 I don’t know… that the struggle continue, well. 0:14:57.803,0:14:58.303 Merci (thank you).