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Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.31,0:00:09.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is A.J. Withers
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.45,0:00:12.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and i am a queer, disabled community organizer
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.89,0:00:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Toronto around anti-poverty and disability, uh, issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.45,0:00:19.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And i have a book coming out in January
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.45,0:00:21.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called "Disability Politics And Theory"
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.25,0:00:23.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Fernwood Press.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.15,0:00:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi my name is Karine,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.26,0:00:25.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and i'm a member of Common Cause
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.76,0:00:28.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and i'm also a health professional in a community health centre.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.86,0:00:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, i was also, i also had before a disability, a temporary disability,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.54,0:00:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and i also have a sister that has a permanent disability,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.24,0:00:42.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is living currently with a disability.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.14,0:00:45.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is why i wanted to be part of this, uh, interview.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.51,0:00:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name's Bryan, i'm with Common Cause, Toronto.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.88,0:00:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Ann, i'm a member of Common Cause,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.15,0:00:55.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i also work with people with developmental disabilities,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.79,0:00:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and [?]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.50,0:01:02.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Disability is a social construct,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.73,0:01:08.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and depending on the culture, the time, or the context one is in,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.10,0:01:13.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will determine whether or not disability is marked on that person.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.01,0:01:15.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in some places and times and cultures,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.51,0:01:16.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that's considered disability
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.81,0:01:21.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,isn't considered disability in other times, places, or cultures.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.08,0:01:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And fundamentally, disabled people are constructed
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.64,0:01:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as people who are considered abnormal or unwanted or unfit
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.96,0:01:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within a given economy or social system.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.23,0:01:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The medical model of disability
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.87,0:01:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the mainstream way that people understand disability as a pathology or a sickness,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.87,0:01:50.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, um, it... seeks out, um pathologies or abnormalities,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.09,0:01:54.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and works to find them and fix them, or cure them,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.40,0:01:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and failing that, accommodate them.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.38,0:01:58.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The social model of disability
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.63,0:02:00.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a model of understanding disability
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.49,0:02:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which presents a separation between impairment,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.02,0:02:05.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the physical or mental characteristics
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.09,0:02:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a person has that may be different from what other people typically have,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.50,0:02:13.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and disability or disablement, so the social process that oppresses people with disabilities,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.97,0:02:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through different institutions in our society,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.80,0:02:19.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as work, school, the state.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.81,0:02:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the social model of disability
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.18,0:02:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what i find important to remember,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.68,0:02:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,locates the problem of disability, the challenges,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.41,0:02:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the society,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.21,0:02:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than in the individual,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.82,0:02:31.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and looks to address those through social action
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.46,0:02:33.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than through changing individuals with disabiities.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.42,0:02:36.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Radical disability politics
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.85,0:02:41.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a shift from the mainstream way of thinking about disability.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.93,0:02:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The mainstream way is a medical model.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.28,0:02:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The disabilities studies canon, um,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.77,0:02:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a way that incorporates an understanding of oppression
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.84,0:02:56.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while still adopting some of the medical model.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.71,0:02:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a radical disability analysis
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.28,0:03:02.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a complete rejection of the medical model
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.16,0:03:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as something that has been implemented
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.36,0:03:08.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to maintain power and control
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.02,0:03:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people with privilege in society.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.36,0:03:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And fundamentally questioning that
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.86,0:03:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and recognizing disability as an entirely social construct.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.74,0:03:25.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea of what's "normal",
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.10,0:03:28.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that disability is constructed as being abnormal,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.11,0:03:35.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was brought into the english language around the 1850's, around the time of eugenics.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.42,0:03:43.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that idea that, um, many times we think of as being always there,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.62,0:03:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was findamentally rooted in, um,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.56,0:03:49.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the creation of an Industrial Revolution, um
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.90,0:03:55.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changing capitalism to the capitalism that we know now.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.30,0:04:04.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and constructing workers as, um, normal bodies that could function within factories.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.08,0:04:11.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, all of the people that couldn't function within factories became abnormal or disabled.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.42,0:04:14.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And up til the Industrial Revolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.76,0:04:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things like intellectual disabilities and oftentimes physical disabilities
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.72,0:04:21.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weren't thought of as disabilities at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.93,0:04:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were just thought of as human variance.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.53,0:04:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The description of disability and the marginalization of disabled people
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.04,0:04:35.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is really, um, fundamental to the success of capitalism,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.91,0:04:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both in marginalising people that aren't participating in the capitalist system
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.25,0:04:47.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way that the system requires people to participate,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.19,0:04:57.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also in the way that, um, disabled people, um non-disabled people are given a threat.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.73,0:05:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, disabled people are often times forced to live in poverty,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.00,0:05:05.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,marginalized, experience any number of different kinds of segregation,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.91,0:05:12.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's a threat to people that aren't seen as disabled to be productive,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.11,0:05:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to work in the capitalist system, and if they don't there are these consequences,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.62,0:05:23.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and disabled lives are the manifestation of that kind of consequence.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.06,0:05:33.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, for me, the kind of, the ways that, that work, or or labour, um,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.87,0:05:37.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interacts with disability or ability,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.10,0:05:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in thinking about it more, i kind of appreciate...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.84,0:05:51.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i'm starting to appreciate more and more how important, um, it actually is, for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.42,0:05:58.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And i also see the importance of of of people that i work with
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.73,0:06:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people that i have worked with all throughout my life, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.50,0:06:03.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conceiving of themselves as able-bodied,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.97,0:06:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while also terrified of or recognizing the lie of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.08,0:06:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i think it's a rarity for me to have actually like shared a workplace with anybody
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.98,0:06:31.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that i would, in, kind of like full consideration consider an able-bodied person
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.16,0:06:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's centrally important that they consider themselves able-bodied,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.10,0:06:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uh, and we always have, um no matter how absurd that actually is.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.67,0:06:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a really substantial disciplining mechanism
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.51,0:06:58.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's almost bred in the bone of almost every single working class person i know.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.52,0:07:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's chasing after being
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.43,0:07:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the strongest, most productive worker
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.23,0:07:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not just for the sake of your boss
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.98,0:07:16.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but almost for your sake as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.19,0:07:26.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, so, i think it's fundamentally important that we understand
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.55,0:07:29.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the associations that capital has,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.33,0:07:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the importance that capital puts on our bodies,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.52,0:07:37.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's important that we understand
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.18,0:07:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ways in which we've been hoodwinked into, into agreeing with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.06,0:07:46.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, what i do for a job?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.33,0:07:51.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I work with people who have a label of developmental or intellectual disabilities.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.20,0:07:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, i've seen how, first of all, many of the situations they're put in in terms of work
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.34,0:08:00.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be extremely exploitative,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.55,0:08:05.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like working for much less than minimum wage, in environments that like,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.59,0:08:07.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what used to be called sheltered workshops,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.05,0:08:12.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they do sort of fairly like, menial, repetitive tasks for an extremely low wage.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.39,0:08:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sort of the pressure in a way that's put on people to work in order to be sort of...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.50,0:08:21.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that's what makes your life meaningful
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.77,0:08:25.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as like a functioning adult, is that you should be working.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.60,0:08:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The ways in which disablement or being disabled interacts with that
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.88,0:08:38.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i think is kind of, isn't quite as, isn't quite as descriptive as what it means to be able bodied.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.68,0:08:40.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As opposed to disabled.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.57,0:08:52.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, and,like, every every minute of the working day and even after work...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.22,0:08:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, myself and almost every single person i've ever worked with
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.17,0:09:01.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is in this battle to assert that they're actually physically capable of doing things
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.74,0:09:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that their only, the only reason that they're doing them,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.18,0:09:13.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the kind of, the degree to which they're pushing themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.82,0:09:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is because it's their job.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.42,0:09:27.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We conceive of ourselves as completely competent, independent, able-bodied people
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.37,0:09:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and really nothing could be further from the truth.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.09,0:09:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Canadian state is intertwined with capitalism,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.28,0:09:47.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, but also, um, i think that one of the things that disabilty politics can bring
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.35,0:09:51.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is like an understanding of people as individuals,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.39,0:09:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and negotiating different people's needs,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.16,0:10:01.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that that, um, can help work to undermine the state and the state's power,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.67,0:10:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and really looking at what people, um, need, and how we can provide community support
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.88,0:10:12.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and build community strength is a really important contribution
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.78,0:10:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that radical disability politics can make to anarchism and to the ways that we understand the state.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.67,0:10:22.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So i think the state plays, like, many roles.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.27,0:10:27.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And... it has a fair bit of influence in like the lives of many disabled people.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.70,0:10:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, the state often makes decisions about who is disabled or not disabled,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.40,0:10:36.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's eligible for different incomes or programs.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.04,0:10:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The state also, in Canada, administers medical and social services
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.58,0:10:47.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can, um, impact on the lives of disabled people.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.45,0:10:51.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like for example in the past, large institutions...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.95,0:10:55.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, i think when you're talking about the state and disability
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.13,0:10:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that you have to talk about eugenics.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.16,0:11:03.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, so you can look at the idea of, like, the body politic, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.44,0:11:06.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how the state is in some ways invested
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.87,0:11:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in having, like, a healthy or fit population.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.00,0:11:18.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, and, in the past we've seen, uh,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.63,0:11:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the state impose eugenic policies on PWD
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.88,0:11:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example, like, forced sterilization of PWD
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.15,0:11:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Alberta and BC.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.56,0:11:30.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, ive done a lot of research into anarcho-primitivism,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.92,0:11:34.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ive also done a lot of research into, uh, historically,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.23,0:11:37.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the eugenic movement and the role that anarchists played there.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.73,0:11:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And some anarchists were very against eugenics,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.00,0:11:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Kropotkin.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.40,0:11:45.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But other anarchists were eugenicists,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.89,0:11:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and actively called for the sterilization of disabled people, or the "unfit".
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.44,0:11:56.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, and i think that that's something that's important
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.03,0:11:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for disabled people to recognize
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.80,0:12:01.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been the case in all movements,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.06,0:12:06.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there have been elements of that, um, throughout history.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.09,0:12:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that doesnt necessarily reflect all anarchism.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.83,0:12:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And i think that people can make that distinction,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.54,0:12:15.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but i think that its really important
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.57,0:12:19.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people are accountable to,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.39,0:12:22.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that anarchists are accountable to the eugenic past,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.31,0:12:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the eugenic present,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.04,0:12:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through anarcho-primitivism
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.62,0:12:27.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and actively challenge it
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.38,0:12:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and actively work against it,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.28,0:12:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to how the solidarity that disabled people i think need to see
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.46,0:12:40.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order for there to be mroe trust in building a more collective movement.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.94,0:12:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just one component,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.46,0:12:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their ableism is just one component
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.20,0:12:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of like a holistically misanthropic social outlook.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.10,0:12:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Almost more misanthropic,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.60,0:12:55.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost more anti-person,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.10,0:12:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or anti...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.10,0:12:58.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not just anti worker,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.14,0:12:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but like, anti-person,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.78,0:13:04.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost as misanthropic as capitalism
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.62,0:13:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or potentially even more so.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.52,0:13:08.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Theres a number of different ways
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.39,0:13:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people view primitivism
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.56,0:13:16.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but fundamentally, uh, in order to have this utopic view for certain people
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.33,0:13:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oftentimes very privileged people,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.84,0:13:21.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, disabled people have to die.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.43,0:13:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is very sad,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.76,0:13:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and its not ok,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.34,0:13:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and i think its important for all anarchists
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.88,0:13:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because primitivism is so linked to anarchism
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.94,0:13:33.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and claims to be a part of anarchism,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.93,0:13:35.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that anarchists challenge that,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.98,0:13:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and confront that,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.78,0:13:41.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and work to express that that is not their view.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.87,0:13:45.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to ensure that disabled people are included and valued.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.96,0:13:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's lots of different kinds of anarchism,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.54,0:13:59.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and um, for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.17,0:14:02.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any kind of good politically sound form of anarchism
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.30,0:14:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has a strong anti-oppression analysis.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.11,0:14:08.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And disability is a really key component of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.39,0:14:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because of the 1st principle, one of the 1st principle of anarchism
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.32,0:14:13.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is everyone gives what they can
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.15,0:14:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they take what they need.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.36,0:14:20.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thats exactly what PWD need, so they can participate,uh, fully
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.79,0:14:23.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within their own capability,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.34,0:14:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uh, in the society.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.20,0:14:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also take what they need, the needs, the support, they need
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.84,0:14:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can take it from the society.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.65,0:14:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So as someone that believes in radical disability politics and anarchism
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.08,0:14:40.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i think that they both, like for me theyre inseparable.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.53,0:14:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My understanding of mutual aid
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.22,0:14:50.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,isn't so much that it's an aspiration that anarchists have,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.06,0:14:57.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that it's actually a recognition that it's one of the primary elements of our world.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.83,0:15:03.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it goes unrecognized, um, that there is an interdependence.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.30,0:15:08.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i think that mutual aid and ... if we focus more on the fact that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.06,0:15:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything that we do is collective, um,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.22,0:15:13.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it offers a lot more possibilities
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.75,0:15:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a society in which people who may have differing abilities, different needs
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.12,0:15:22.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be respected as equal members of that society
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.19,0:15:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the contributions they can make, and they do make are respected,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.22,0:15:30.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that it's seen that their, all of our successes or failures
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.31,0:15:33.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the various things that we try are based on everyones work,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.37,0:15:36.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not just you as an individual.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.17,0:15:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which i think is ultimately positive for all people,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.16,0:15:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but especially those people who are are in society considered disabled.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.28,0:15:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And often times in disability communities
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.48,0:15:47.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that manifests in "care collectives",
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.03,0:15:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people coming together to help folks
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.82,0:15:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, go pee or make dinner or shop or whatever it is,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.12,0:15:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the acknowledgement that that's a reciprocal relationship,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.94,0:16:02.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the disabled person gets something from it,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.06,0:16:04.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the non-disabled person, or the person with different needs
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.73,0:16:06.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gets things from it as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.77,0:16:11.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that both of those roles are really meaningful and important.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.73,0:16:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, but, mutual aid and the spirit of collectivity
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.34,0:16:21.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and acknowledging that interdependence, i think are super important,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.11,0:16:25.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, um, beyond like yknow a do-it-yourself culture,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.95,0:16:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like in creating a do-it-together culture.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.79,0:16:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, disabled people have been engaged in direct action for decades upon decades.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.02,0:16:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And have participated in a lot of different really creative actions
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.04,0:16:45.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have been acceptable for lots of different people,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.45,0:16:50.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think that we can bring that creativity to all different kinds of organizing
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.94,0:16:52.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around direct action.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.35,0:16:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and even just like case actions,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.62,0:17:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where, um, disabled people have oftentimes fought Disability or Welfare to get what they need.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.36,0:17:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, but also disabled people oftentimes
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.36,0:17:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,instead of having our bodies treated as burdens or hazzards,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.93,0:17:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use our bodies in ways that are really powerful in direct action.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.00,0:17:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And i think that a lot of times people fall into boxes of what direct action means
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.92,0:17:23.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what it looks like,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.91,0:17:25.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, and, broadening that box
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.94,0:17:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and making sure that it's inclusive and accessible to people is really important.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.15,0:17:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in doing that, oftentimes actions can be stronger and more powerful.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.17,0:17:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We often exclude people with disabilities in our movements,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.00,0:17:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or during our events,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.37,0:17:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we don't, we often don't think about their issues,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.67,0:17:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, but, it's part of everybody's issues,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.87,0:17:54.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because everybody at one point will be disabled,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.74,0:17:57.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either temporarily or permanently.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.08,0:17:59.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's something that affects everybody,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.51,0:18:04.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every single person will be affected with disability issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.08,0:18:06.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In terms of the way that people organize,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.95,0:18:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, often times radicals will view people's worth in a movement with how much they produce,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.70,0:18:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how productive they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.30,0:18:23.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is just like a, an adoption of a capitalist value
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.57,0:18:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's really unfortunate and problematic,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.04,0:18:33.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and shifting that to value people for any number of ways that they participate in the community,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.81,0:18:36.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beyond what's viewed as production,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.85,0:18:39.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is really important
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.55,0:18:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is something that I think a lot of anarchists really struggle with.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.36,0:18:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, collective responsibility is, um, sort of a concept that is present in anarchism
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.46,0:18:52.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that describes how,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.97,0:18:59.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it sort of puts into practice I think our focus on the social over the individual.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.34,0:19:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So not only am I responsible for the things that I do individually,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.72,0:19:04.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also the things that happen around me.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.71,0:19:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, just to give a really quick practical example,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.28,0:19:09.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I'm in a political organization,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.64,0:19:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I didn't promise to make the poster,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.12,0:19:13.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but someone else did,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.69,0:19:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I never took the time to ask them, you know, if they needed help,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.06,0:19:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if the poster doesn't get made, it is also my responsibility as well as theirs.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.80,0:19:24.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right? Even though... so it's focusing on the social,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.09,0:19:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of like taking precedence over the individual.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.20,0:19:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, how I think that relates to disability that's important,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.47,0:19:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that it can also relate to issues around accessibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.48,0:19:41.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, so that we would all have a collective responsibility
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.55,0:19:46.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make the spaces that we work in politically,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.85,0:19:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accessible to as many people as possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.86,0:19:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think what we should be trying for,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.32,0:19:58.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to create spaces where we are responsible for what we do,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.06,0:20:00.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but where there's also support available,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.59,0:20:04.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and where there's also a culture where it's OK to ask for that support when needed.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.74,0:20:08.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, I think that in terms of mutual aid and collective responsibility,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.99,0:20:11.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it shouldn't be so much about
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.41,0:20:14.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"oh, ok, well we have to provide these accommodations for this person,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.38,0:20:16.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we have to make sure that there's a ramp for this person",
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.58,0:20:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that kind of thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.72,0:20:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As much as like building,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.19,0:20:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of like building a broader culture of solidarity
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.76,0:20:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we all take responsibility for ensuring that the space allows for as much as possible
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.76,0:20:30.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the full participation of anyone who would want to participate.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.76,0:20:33.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the ways that anarchist organizations can structure themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.20,0:20:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is implementing a culture within their organization
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.76,0:20:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that um automatically looks at accessibility,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.50,0:20:44.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and interdependence,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.61,0:20:47.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ways of talking about meeting people's needs,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.31,0:20:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ensuring that people can get in the door,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.92,0:20:54.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and can have meaningful participation in an organization.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.15,0:20:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, but also ensuring that people have...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.34,0:21:02.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that organizations put forward demands that are inclusive of disability issues,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.03,0:21:04.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are not tokenistic,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.77,0:21:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but are, come from disabled people and from disabled communities
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.53,0:21:13.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around what we actually need and are fighting for.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.61,0:21:22.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like as a member of Common Cause
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.02,0:21:24.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with mostly just one other person in Common Cause,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.69,0:21:26.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, I started looking at some of this stuff,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.25,0:21:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and tried to bring it to other people in the organization
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.52,0:21:31.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who maybe werent as familiar with it,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.06,0:21:33.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or hadnt realyl had much interest in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.61,0:21:39.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i think... sometimes theres a lack...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.10,0:21:41.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i think people maybe had certain preconceptions
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.84,0:21:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what radical disability politics were about.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.94,0:21:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of them maybe being that they're for certain people,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.51,0:21:50.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it's for disabled people.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.60,0:21:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And i think what a lot of people maybe realize
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.02,0:21:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we've seen some more interest in it,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.68,0:21:59.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that if affects...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.80,0:22:02.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the things we're talking about in terms of, um,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.16,0:22:08.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being either disabled by society, by work, by school,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.33,0:22:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are things that a lot of people have experienced,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.60,0:22:12.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if youre not experiencing that,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.20,0:22:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what youre experiencing is almost like a process of beig "abled"
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.54,0:22:17.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're experiencing the other side of that,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.90,0:22:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that can also bring a lot of tensions, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.28,0:22:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like there can be...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.78,0:22:23.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can kind of feel like...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.38,0:22:25.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if youre having a really hard time
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.61,0:22:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like physically or emotionally,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.21,0:22:29.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you dont want to let people know at your work
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.02,0:22:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you're going to sort of fall into this other category or person.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.32,0:22:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think what is important for anarchists to realize,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.07,0:22:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,& I think whats come out of some of the discussions I've had with other Common Cause members
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.34,0:22:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that these questions of like um who is excluded and included in different spaces
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.52,0:22:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sort of like how we support each other
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.50,0:22:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how we place value on different activities
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.06,0:22:57.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think is something that affects all people,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.01,0:23:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these politics are essential for understanding how we analyze the world
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.35,0:23:04.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the kind of changes that we would want.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.35,0:23:07.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Having an analysis that we don't want to be reformist,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.79,0:23:10.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that like this movement shouldn't be a reformist movement,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.82,0:23:13.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this should be a revolutionary movement,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.31,0:23:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so although we wanna try to make people's life better on the day to day,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.50,0:23:22.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like for example the Raise The Rates campaign
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.34,0:23:26.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on increasing the Ontario Works and ODSP
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.94,0:23:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so increasing the support programs, the money for programs up to 40%,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.02,0:23:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will make their lives better,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.92,0:23:39.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we wanna fight for those things too,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.69,0:23:42.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we wanna have an analysis of like a revolutionary,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.62,0:23:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the end of capitalism and the state,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.96,0:23:48.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not just trying to reform what the state is doing right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.95,0:23:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So theres a lot of different things that, um, anarchist organizations can do,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.57,0:23:59.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's really practical things,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:59.37,0:24:06.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's kind of often times messier and harder, um, institutional things that can happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.21,0:24:12.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's like an infinite number of issues that cross over
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.49,0:24:16.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and like I said before, I'm an anarchist and do radical disability work,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.49,0:24:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for me there's not a cross over,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.33,0:24:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're completely integrated,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:21.80,0:24:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, um, even for people that there's not this like basic issues
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.04,0:24:32.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around poverty and segregation, and like the forced encarceration
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.71,0:24:36.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of many many people who are labeled as disabled,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.71,0:24:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, the way that capitalism plays out in disabled people's lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.05,0:24:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The different components that make up capitalism
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.50,0:24:48.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not just about how can anarchists engage in mass movements
Dialogue: 0,0:24:48.39,0:24:52.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particularly structured around disability theory
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.23,0:24:56.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or mass struggles of disabled people,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.33,0:24:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although that is stuff that has to be fought out,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.60,0:25:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like in our cities, in our workplaces,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.90,0:25:07.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,issues of accessibility, um, uh, casualization of employment,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.41,0:25:10.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or just like chronic unemployment.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.02,0:25:15.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not just about how can anarchists participate in mass movements structured around disability,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.72,0:25:19.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but how can a more thorough understanding of
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.59,0:25:25.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the importance of disability being incorporated within all the mass struggles that we have.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.29,0:25:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, I think another thing that we can do
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.96,0:25:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that, so then, when we start to get these ideas,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.70,0:25:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if it's just very like basic, new ideas,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.40,0:25:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to start to bring that to some of our mass work,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.70,0:25:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is trying to sort of link up different issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.92,0:25:44.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like a very basic example was, um,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.43,0:25:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in like a mass organization that a number of us in Common Cause are part of,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.08,0:25:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a campaign that was posed for free transit.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.88,0:25:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of our members made an amendment to that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.42,0:25:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make it a campaign to make it free and accessible transit.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.12,0:25:59.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So just this like, and this isnt someone who had any particular knowledge of disability,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.26,0:26:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who would consider themselves disabled or anything like that,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.40,0:26:05.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, but from that it's become a part of the campaign
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.93,0:26:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where different disability groups are involved in that,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.90,0:26:12.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's something that, there have been actions around accessibility
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.81,0:26:14.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this isn't something Common Cause has done,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.78,0:26:17.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but its something that we we're able to sort of introduce that,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.48,0:26:24.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, um, too, even if we're not focusing on struggles that are specific to disability
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.45,0:26:26.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to see how we can bring that in,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.52,0:26:28.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if members are involved in anti-prison struggle,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.99,0:26:31.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can we bring an analysis around other institutions
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.43,0:26:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that exist that are disability focused?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.42,0:26:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the relationship between psychiatric institutions and prisons?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.96,0:26:38.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think trying to sort of make those links,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.11,0:26:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to connect those struggles is a role that we can have
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.34,0:26:44.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we tend to have members involved in a lot of different groups.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.34,0:26:47.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, theres a bunch of different ways that people
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.54,0:26:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can work with different organizations,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.48,0:26:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like neighbourhood communities, unions, and student groups.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.68,0:26:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the ways is articulating disability politics
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.80,0:27:00.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a way that makes sense to those organizations.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.49,0:27:04.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So sometimes the way the conversation that you have with different groups
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.29,0:27:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is going to be slightly different.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.66,0:27:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But around union organizing, talking about injured workers,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.60,0:27:13.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and talking about capitalism and oppression,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.45,0:27:16.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, uh, the exclusion of disabled people
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.74,0:27:21.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the impact that has on workers across the board.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.74,0:27:24.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With respect to neighbourhood organizations,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.18,0:27:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's uh, every neighbourhood has disabled people in it,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.64,0:27:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that are a really vibrant, important part of every community,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.89,0:27:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so, working to help people understand that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.02,0:27:38.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and recognize the places (?) where that is,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.35,0:27:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, uh, working with people to help build bridges,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.36,0:27:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and incorporate disabled people and disability issues into that community.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.44,0:28:01.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think its utopic to, uh, to propose an abolition of social stratification,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.02,0:28:08.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in that disability is predominantly ...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.02,0:28:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a difference between the conditions under which a human body finds itself,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.36,0:28:16.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or is put in,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.19,0:28:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and whether or not they're conceived of as disabled or able bodied.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.44,0:28:26.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, like that, like you were saying , that is a social construction.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.37,0:28:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's not utopic to um work towards the abolition of that social construction.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.78,0:28:38.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's also important to keep in mind that like
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.95,0:28:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many, if, like thinking about the future,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.20,0:28:48.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and about like how a lot of the current social processes of disablement
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.93,0:28:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be unnecessary
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.98,0:28:55.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in a lot of ways unhelpful, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.30,0:28:58.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like the need to create the separation between deserving and undeserving poor,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.97,0:29:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to legitimize things in that way,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.44,0:29:05.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like without that, the need to sort of label people as disabled,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.45,0:29:08.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how that is helpful kind of goes away.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.02,0:29:10.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I would never think that in the future, if we lived without capitalism
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.75,0:29:14.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that like, what I have that could be described as mental illness would go away,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.52,0:29:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I would like to live in a world where I wouldn't have to worry about like
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.96,0:29:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seeking, like if i needed help, seeking it because of an employer finding out
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.93,0:29:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of a box you check on a form when you apply for jobs or soemthing like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.44,0:29:31.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like that aspect of it that just makes things harder,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.89,0:29:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I don't think it's utopic to talk about that going away.