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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.60,0:00:04.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mission: Investigation
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.09,0:00:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are today around 400,000 Muslims in Sweden.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.00,0:00:15.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the struggle for society is to integrate and build bridges to Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.07,0:00:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The most important mosque in Sweden, in Medborgarplatsen, Stockholm, has been visited by many well-known politicians.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.75,0:00:32.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But how do the leaders, the imams in the mosques, relate to basic values in Sweden's democracy,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.93,0:00:38.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as the value of every human being, equality, and parity between men and women.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.73,0:00:41.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the official picture that is given.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.27,0:00:57.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course in this mosque, everyone has to know that, as I have repeated several times, this (mosque) follows Swedish laws and that no one is allowed to say anything against those laws.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.33,0:01:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are they honest, when it comes to for example, the viewpoint on women's position as opposed to men?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.60,0:01:10.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our reporter Nadja Yllner has sought the help of two Muslim women in niqab
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.07,0:01:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see and hear what imams in 10 Swedish mosques say they should do
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.60,0:01:20.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when told among other things that the man has several wives, and has mistreated his wife.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.93,0:01:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two women are going to help us to find out if there are Muslim leaders
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.80,0:01:40.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are spreading values in their congregations which they perhaps would not admit to publicly.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.73,0:01:47.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of them is equipped with a hidden camera, the other with a microphone.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.95,0:01:53.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea is that they should ask for advice and hear what the imams say when they think
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.73,0:01:58.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it's just two believing Muslim women who are listening.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.53,0:02:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The women are going to contact 10 of Sweden's largest mosques.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.80,0:02:07.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have chosen mosques spread out over the whole country,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.73,0:02:19.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which have many attendees, and so are influential in Sweden, which has been called the world's most equal society.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.13,0:02:23.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imams' Advice
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.95,0:02:39.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was here in Rinkeby and Tensta that we thought of this investigation.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.73,0:02:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here, three Muslim congregations plan to build a mosque each, with space for up to a 1000 people in each.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.20,0:02:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when women want to pray? Can they join in, in the large space?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.27,0:03:02.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, the women's section is here, and it's the same as the other.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.80,0:03:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ibrahim Bourale is the chairman of the Islamic Association in Järva, and responsible for one
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.02,0:03:06.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the planned mosques.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.73,0:03:08.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it continues here?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.20,0:03:10.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, we will see if...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.07,0:03:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We live here in Sweden, we are Swedish Muslims
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.44,0:03:26.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we feel that we deserve to have a space to have good services and activities.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.33,0:03:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one floor up we have the women's section, and here...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.40,0:03:38.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The politicians trust the Islamic Association in Järva, which has received the best plot of land.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.87,0:03:39.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bo Sundin, chairman of Rinkeby-Kista district
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.93,0:03:43.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a long history of co-operation with them in many areas
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.03,0:03:53.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we have found out that they are a serious and very active actor working to become a part of Swedish society here.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.94,0:04:23.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today the congregation hold Friday prayers in the Rinkeby people's hall.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.93,0:04:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arabic: Oh Lord, let us die in your faith, and summon us among your people...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.93,0:04:45.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The female visitors do not want us to film them.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.13,0:04:50.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They go in the back way and then up to the gallery.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.81,0:04:58.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There they sit in crowded rows, but they can never see the imam they are listening to,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.06,0:05:01.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the curtain hangs down in front of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.99,0:05:09.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...is a big problem, it can lead to that one lives in phobia and fear
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.46,0:05:38.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What struck me when I came here was how many men there were everywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.93,0:05:54.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was possible to go to a restaurant and not see a single woman.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.07,0:06:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In one restaurant I was invited to sit behind drapery in a room specially for women.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.93,0:06:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In another restaurant, a man gestured with his hand to the table further back where he thought we women
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.26,0:06:10.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should sit.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.07,0:06:16.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I spoke with a woman who was spat at because her shawl wasn't long enough.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.53,0:06:22.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I heard about others who had begun to use headscarves so they could continue to live in the area.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.66,0:06:29.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here it is easy to find men who think that God gives them the right to marry several women.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.46,0:06:39.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One has to be just with all, good standard of living, good life for all, this is our religion which says this.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.73,0:06:42.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have four.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.66,0:06:43.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have four wives?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.81,0:06:44.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.66,0:06:45.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No! Is that true?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.99,0:06:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's true.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.16,0:06:47.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How does it go?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.99,0:06:49.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's good.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.66,0:06:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But how does it work? You can only marry one person here in Sweden.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.39,0:06:56.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, four is normal for Muslims.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.48,0:06:57.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have papers with me.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.73,0:06:59.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can I see?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.20,0:07:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Swedish law, it's only one, four is not possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.00,0:07:17.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the papers from the Population Registry are the names of the four women who had borne his children.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.93,0:07:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only one is registered as his wife.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.07,0:07:25.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The others he had married while abroad.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.99,0:07:27.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But why do you do this?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.53,0:07:29.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's normal.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.31,0:07:31.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't think its a problem?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.30,0:07:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is, it's a big problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.00,0:07:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't think this is right?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.20,0:07:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I don't like this. It's never right if you have four wives.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.40,0:07:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They will be jealous of each other and then there are problems with the children.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.82,0:07:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Islam does not say this. Islam does not say this. It isn't like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.87,0:08:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many say they know just what Islam is, but just as in Christianity there is in Islam both new interpreters and literalists
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.80,0:08:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are imams who are reminiscent of the ex-Archbishop Hammar who spoke out for the rights of homosexuals,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.80,0:08:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and imams more like Pentecostal Pastor Åke Green who states that homosexuality is a cancer in the body of society.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.00,0:08:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you compare ex-Archbishop Hammar and Pastor Ulf Ekman and Pentecostal Pastor Åke Green,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.60,0:08:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,none of them believe the same thing, though they are part of the same religion and the same interpretative tradition.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.67,0:08:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One takes it for granted. That's how it is. But not with Muslims, they are all lumped in to one group and people say "that's how they are."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.29,0:09:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Professor Mohammad Fazlhashemi has written books on
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.40,0:09:04.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how Islam has changed through history.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.73,0:09:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is himself a believing Muslim and prays daily.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.80,0:09:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he believes that Islam, precisely like Christianity, must adjust itself to the time we live in
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.80,0:09:22.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he doesn't like seeing the literalists message spreading.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.80,0:09:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the same time he is afraid that his criticism could be abused by anti-immigrant hostile forces.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.67,0:09:34.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a delicate balance between extremes, because this is about extremes.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.95,0:09:43.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have the anti-immigrant islamophobes on one side
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.40,0:09:49.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and on the other the literalist traditionalists.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.00,0:09:59.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Akhdar, as she calls herself, is herself a believing Muslim.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.67,0:10:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She grew up in a Muslim country and knows the religious codes.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.02,0:10:15.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other woman calls herself Mahnaz, she comes from the same country but she has left Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.87,0:10:23.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Together they will contact 10 mosques and try to get a response to these 4 questions:
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.69,0:10:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1. Can a man marry more than one woman?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.20,0:10:37.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2. Does a woman have the right to by herself decide over her own body and refuse to have sex with her husband?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.43,0:10:45.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,3. Can a man hit his wife? 4. And if he does can she ring the police?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.87,0:10:51.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The questions will show whether some of Sweden's largest mosques try to take away from women
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.13,0:10:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rights they have according to Swedish laws.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.78,0:11:04.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They will begin by contacting two congregations in Rinkeby which have both
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.09,0:11:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been given plots from Stockholm with the possibility to build a mosque each.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.80,0:11:17.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it is so that there are imams in these congregations who say that you as a woman must accept
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.09,0:11:20.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that your husband can marry more than one, what would that mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.87,0:11:25.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It isn't acceptable. We live in Sweden and that isn't acceptable.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.27,0:11:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you want to co-operate with them then?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.36,0:11:31.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, but we co-operate with them because they don't have that viewpoint.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.67,0:11:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the imams say you have to have sex with your husband except if you have your period or you are ill...
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.93,0:11:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is completely alien to me. It sounds very strange.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.10,0:11:45.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it comes up in these organizations...
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.53,0:11:50.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that case it would be single individuals who have these viewpoints and it must be brought into the light
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.73,0:11:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make sure that it is minimized.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.12,0:12:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Akhdar begins by ringing the spokesperson for the Islamic Cultural Centre in Rinkeby Square.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.87,0:12:21.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Akhdar says that her husband was in Iran and married another woman, that she feels terrible and needs to talk with an imam.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.14,0:12:25.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will give you a number you can call and you can come in as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.07,0:12:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many women are in the same situation, I promise you.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.13,0:12:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are my sisters.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.71,0:12:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They say they are happy. I even know of a woman whose husband married again and they help each other!
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.55,0:13:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will be a while before she can meet the imam at Rinkeby Square, an imam whose response is different from the others.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.80,0:13:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Women's Network in Stockholm helps women and youngsters
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.68,0:13:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are exposed to honor violence and oppression.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.58,0:13:27.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here no one knows about the two women unknown to them with the hidden camera.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.67,0:13:31.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when we ask these women how they would react if they
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.49,0:13:37.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,heard an imam say it is acceptable to have several wives or that a woman is obliged to have sex against
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.67,0:13:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her will, it seems no one would be surprised.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.01,0:13:45.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would not at all be surprised.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.61,0:13:46.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Azam Qaraee, Women's Network
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.93,0:13:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because again, according to the religion, the woman is made for the man.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.00,0:13:59.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if she says anything against this, then it's "poor man."
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.91,0:14:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the girls who has been given shelter by the network
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.93,0:14:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was mistreated by the family and forcibly removed when she was 16.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.93,0:14:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now she is 21 and has a job but the pressure from home has not let up.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.75,0:14:24.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Her father is deeply religious and often asks the imam what is right and what is wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.67,0:14:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In front of me the imam says to my father, "it is not okay that your daughter comes home late. She can't go out and be with boys."
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.80,0:14:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"She can't have a boyfriend, it is not allowed."
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.07,0:14:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the imam says this to your father, when you are listening?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.40,0:14:39.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in front of me, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.08,0:14:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think of that?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.00,0:14:43.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it is unprofessional and low.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.07,0:14:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me it means that he doesn't know what life in the real world means.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.60,0:14:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the imam stated that your father should guide you, who is 21 years old?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.13,0:14:59.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, and my mother as well, who is 53 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.33,0:15:07.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The imams have an extreme influence, if they recognize that a woman's sexuality belongs to the woman herself
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.09,0:15:16.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no brother or father can decide, and we have never seen anyone who says this, and we miss it..
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.07,0:15:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the day we find an imam or religious leader who says this then I think we would soon be
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.60,0:15:26.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,finished with these problems.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.27,0:15:33.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even ethnic Swedes sometimes come to the Women's Network, but then they
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.27,0:15:39.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,belong to Christian sects such as Jehova's Witness.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.87,0:15:51.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are Christian sects here in Sweden where we have youngsters with the exact same virginity standards, controls,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.53,0:16:02.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that individuals cannot think or choose themselves, it is the exact same thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.87,0:16:16.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is important that the women are not recognized, this is why they are going in niqab.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.58,0:16:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They will play two different roles. Akhdar is the weak and abused but deeply religious woman,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.00,0:16:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mahnaz is her stronger relative, who thinks there should be limits for what a woman should endure.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.80,0:16:56.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With one exception all the congregations we contacted have directly or indirectly taken money from society.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.13,0:17:04.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Half had municipal grants, 5 of 10 had religious community grants from the state.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.33,0:17:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a grant that has its own law, which says that:
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.40,0:17:20.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Support should only be granted to religious communities which contribute to uphold and strengthen society's basic values."
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.33,0:17:26.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This means that among other things the community should "develop understanding of equality between
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.47,0:17:30.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,men and women."
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.13,0:17:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is only one religious community that has not accepted state grants and that is Jehovah's Witness.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.80,0:17:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They receive no money as they call their members not to vote.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.28,0:17:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If a community openly states that men can marry several wives, this could lead to state grants being taken away.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.74,0:18:16.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was in Rinkeby we had the idea to do our investigation and it is here we thought the women's' journey would begin.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.82,0:18:23.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when they arrive in Rinkeby and the Islamic Association in Järva, they don't get to meet any imam.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.13,0:18:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't give you a name, but if you go for example to Medborgarplatsen's big mosque...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.80,0:18:35.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are told to go to Stockholm's mosque at Medborgarplatsen instead.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.67,0:18:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stockholm's mosque is Sweden's Muslims' most visible face to the outside world.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.20,0:18:51.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is here government representatives go when they want to meet representatives of Sweden's Muslims.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.93,0:19:01.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Last February, the civil minister Stefan Attefall attended Friday prayers.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.33,0:19:12.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The women go into Stockholm mosque's family counseling.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.68,0:19:22.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The imam who is there sits there every day between 2 and 4 o'clock.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.47,0:19:25.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we will hear what he has to say.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.67,0:19:35.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Each Muslim is allowed to have up to four wives, but there is a requirement.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.78,0:19:48.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The requirement is to be able to support them and give them love.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.54,0:19:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean that he should not treat one wife better than the others.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.46,0:20:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He should love them equally, and treat them with what is it called...equality.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.25,0:20:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Live equally with them. Do you understand?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.46,0:20:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.32,0:20:26.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you listen now...so, if he does this, it is okay. I mean if he wants to.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.58,0:20:32.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it is very difficult. He gets very angry with me.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.57,0:20:39.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I say anything he gets angry and hits me.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.18,0:20:48.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the neighbor saw that I had...what is it called...sakhm (bruises).
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.89,0:20:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She had big yellow bruises over her body.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.32,0:20:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is not allowed to hit her. He is not allowed to hit her at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.58,0:21:10.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he says that the Quran says that if the woman does not listen to her husband, the man can hit his wife.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.39,0:21:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He can only do a little like this, with his hand like this, where it doesn't hurt.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.80,0:21:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just like this. Watch now.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.90,0:21:20.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He can only say "I am angry with you."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.41,0:21:27.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not hit, not hit and hit.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.87,0:21:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now the imam knows that Akhdar's husband has done two things which are illegal in Sweden.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.86,0:21:40.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He has mistreated his wife and married two women.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.99,0:21:46.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But still the imam says Akhdar should not refuse to have sex with him.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.81,0:21:49.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, she is not allowed to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.23,0:21:54.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But love must come from the heart, this doesn't work.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.22,0:21:56.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It does. Why doesn't it work?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.06,0:22:11.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I can't think that my husband can marry a younger woman and that he has done this.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.59,0:22:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But why does he want to love her then, why didn't he leave her?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.32,0:22:20.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why does he want to have her? It means he loves her as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.52,0:22:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This can't be.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.86,0:22:27.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A man can love four at the same time.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.86,0:22:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But she told me that the last time she was badly mistreated and she almost rang the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.56,0:22:44.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think? What should I do?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.59,0:22:52.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you ring the police it can get a little difficult. Do you know why?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.19,0:23:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The police will take him into custody and he will be given 2 or 3 years in prison.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.92,0:23:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If she rings the police while he is in prison and says, "OK, I've forgiven him, release him from prison."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.06,0:23:26.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The police would say no, he has to remain the whole year. Do you understand me?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.82,0:23:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The imam at Sweden's most important mosque tells a mistreated woman not to ring the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.19,0:23:41.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead he suggests she should give the man more love.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.99,0:23:54.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can welcome him in a good way and so on and don't refuse him love.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.32,0:24:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He might change. He will perhaps change.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.66,0:24:05.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.39,0:24:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the imam in your mosque had said to a woman when she comes to say that her husband had married again
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.92,0:24:19.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the imam then says you have to respect that as long as he treats you equally...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.55,0:24:25.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how would you react?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.39,0:24:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With anger and dismay. Because this is against the law.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:31.92,0:24:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, God willing. Thanks. Peace be with you.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.32,0:24:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if there are imams at the biggest mosque in Sweden who say its better not to go to the police
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.46,0:24:43.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what happens then?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.66,0:24:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that this person should be punished for misconduct. This clearly goes against the law.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.06,0:25:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The women's journey continues to Örebro's mosque.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.68,0:25:14.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over 10,000 people come here every Friday.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.90,0:25:27.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is not good to ring the police. The police don't do anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.37,0:25:38.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The police come and say to the man, get out, and you go to court and divorce.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.86,0:25:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the family will split up. Muslims don't want to split families.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.26,0:25:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to hold together as a family.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.20,0:25:49.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.02,0:25:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She is a religious woman.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.12,0:26:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So she must know that God allows men to marry with two, three, four.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.25,0:26:13.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wanted to love her and she is very sad. She refuses to love him. What does the Quran say?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.03,0:26:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is wrong. She must accept.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.32,0:26:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.06,0:26:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She must have patience then.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.36,0:26:26.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. She must accept.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.39,0:26:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If her husband wants love and she says no, that is wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.46,0:26:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When they come to the third mosque, the Islamic centre in Malmö, they meet an imam who is just leaving.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.56,0:26:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Excuse me.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.72,0:26:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Akhdar doesn't have time to ask all her questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.72,0:26:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But she says that her husband married another woman and
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.54,0:26:59.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that she doesn't know what to do because he hits her.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.66,0:27:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Roland Vishkurti, Islamic Center in Malmö
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.60,0:27:04.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not the police. You are a Muslim and will have big problems.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.30,0:27:07.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They might take the children away from you as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.59,0:27:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One time he hit me and the neighbor heard.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.06,0:27:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Swedish just say, "Ring the police, ring the police."
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.88,0:27:21.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, in Swedish culture you should ring the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.64,0:27:25.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But ask other imams.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.06,0:27:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Woman: One has to be patient.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.56,0:27:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Patience and prayer.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.92,0:27:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The imam commented on the recording saying that he had been misunderstood.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.80,0:27:43.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That he would never defend someone who had mistreated another
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.18,0:27:44.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that he is not a person who doesn't stand up for the weak.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.60,0:27:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God help you. Peace be with you.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:50.75,0:27:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When Akhdar rang to the mosque family counselor, it was different.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.25,0:28:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He thought she should herself decide if it felt right that she should ring the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.67,0:28:15.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fourth mosque they visited is called Salsabil and is in a normal private property in Malmö.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.85,0:28:24.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are referred to an Egyptian sheikh who thinks Akhdar should have patience with her husband
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.07,0:28:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though he had hit her and married another.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.52,0:28:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,During the meeting, there is a mosque member who translates
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.15,0:28:36.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reports what the sheikh has said.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.65,0:28:38.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As long as your husband doesn't do anything haram,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.98,0:28:42.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you should never never think of going to the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.92,0:28:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be a big sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:46.83,0:28:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to do it. It's wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.78,0:28:54.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead of telling her to go to the police
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.38,0:28:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he says this:
Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.52,0:29:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How many times has he hit you? 20 times? 30 times?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.25,0:29:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One time per year? You see this is not beating.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.32,0:29:11.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes people get angry. Has he pushed you?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.18,0:29:13.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you have any more questions, sister? The sheikh has to go.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.58,0:29:16.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God keep you.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.85,0:29:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Afterwards he says that the advice not to go to the police had to do with her husband marrying another.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.40,0:29:27.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He also says that he doesn't want to belittle violence.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:27.38,0:29:35.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that a light joking slap on the backside is not beating.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.05,0:29:40.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we say that we would make him anonymous, since he was only a member in the community, he protests
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.85,0:29:45.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and asks to be identified by name.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.18,0:29:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The mosque distances itself from his statement.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:48.98,0:29:53.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This stems from a patriarchal tradition. It is not allowed.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.65,0:29:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It should not be allowed, for a woman to endure this kind of humiliation.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.52,0:30:16.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Saudia Arabia is a country where gender separation is the system and laws from the middle ages guide women's lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.69,0:30:23.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wahabism, as the state religion is called, allows no new interpretations of the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.54,0:30:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those who leave Islam can be punished by death.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.28,0:30:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Saudi Arabia and Saudi businessmen and princes
Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.38,0:30:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spread in different ways these ultra-orthodox interpretative traditions through the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:39.72,0:30:42.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Among other things through handing out stipends
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.95,0:30:47.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and educate imams who then work in other countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.30,0:31:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the women come to the fifth mosque, Uppsala
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.36,0:31:09.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are greeted by a man who was educated in the Islamic university in Medina in Saudi Arabia.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.38,0:31:18.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He tells Akhdar, who he knows has been mistreated by her husband, to go one step further in humiliation.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:18.38,0:31:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Her neighbor told her, "if he hits you again,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.72,0:31:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to ring the police!"
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.46,0:31:34.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why he is angry. He thinks she says bad things.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.98,0:31:37.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think you can go to your husband and say
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.22,0:31:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I'm sorry if I have made a mistake, let's start over."
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.98,0:31:43.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should apologize.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.45,0:31:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We will forget what has is past!"
Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.65,0:31:54.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a very nice hadith, "the real woman, when her husband is angry, holds his hands and
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.54,0:31:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,says, I cannot sleep till you are pleased with me."
Dialogue: 0,0:31:59.72,0:32:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think God will forgive?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.12,0:32:06.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, God willing. You have to struggle.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.38,0:32:09.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God willing, your husband will accept.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:09.19,0:32:12.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will apologize and hope that God helps me.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:12.25,0:32:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That I should cleanse my heart and not be jealous.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.38,0:32:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I won't ring the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.94,0:32:23.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, don't ring the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.45,0:32:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God helps us.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:36.26,0:32:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was also Saudi Arabia which gave Gothenburg's Muslims
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.98,0:32:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their own real mosque. Those who took the 6 million said that the money was not tied to any conditions.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.98,0:33:00.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now the mosque has an imam who is educated in Great Britain and in Saudi Arabia.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.85,0:33:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no difference between sexes.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.06,0:33:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, in front of God they have the same rights and same responsibilities.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.78,0:33:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it misunderstandings then?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.92,0:33:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If some think that a man can marry several?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.38,0:33:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:17.69,0:33:30.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All this with woman's oppression. I think a lot of this is myth and it is the spreading of propaganda against Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.65,0:33:37.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He agrees that the woman herself has the right to decide over her body but says that both the man and the woman
Dialogue: 0,0:33:37.58,0:33:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to listen to each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:41.25,0:33:45.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It says, they should listen to their husband. How long?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.23,0:33:52.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are limits. He can't request something from her God has forbidden.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:52.25,0:33:58.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or something which is harmful for her. Or violates her personhood.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:58.56,0:34:01.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He absolutely can't do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.18,0:34:09.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now the women will find out what the imam says when he does not know
Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.78,0:34:12.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a camera is on.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:12.18,0:34:13.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How would it be now?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:13.78,0:34:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can a man take another wife?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.92,0:34:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She doesn't want to do anything that is haram.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.41,0:34:36.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I understand, I understand.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:36.33,0:34:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think if you have a real reason
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.16,0:34:46.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can demand an explanation.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.78,0:35:01.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't demand that he should divorce the other woman. If he has done it the right way you can't demand that.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.85,0:35:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Akhdar must now for the seventh time hear that she must share her husband with another woman.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:08.25,0:35:12.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she should not turn a few slaps into a big deal.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:12.100,0:35:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think if you are scared for your life...but he is not like that, is he, your husband? No, no.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:22.50,0:35:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I don't think she needs to ring the police, since she says it is not serious.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.25,0:35:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He just hits me like this since I would not love him.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:34.52,0:35:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is something which can be solved within the family so I don't think it is serious.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.52,0:35:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about love in bed?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.08,0:35:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you ring me?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:53.59,0:35:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The last question which they are to talk about over the phone is about sex.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.18,0:36:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The imam had said that a man cannot violate a woman's personhood.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:05.92,0:36:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what will he say to Akhdar?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.26,0:36:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can the man who hit her and who married another still have a right to her body?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:18.25,0:36:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have read a few books about this
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.52,0:36:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there are two ways a woman can say No.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:31.78,0:36:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When she is ill she can say no, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.92,0:36:43.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the second way is when she has her period.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.67,0:36:51.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the two times you can say no.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:51.43,0:36:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we revealed our hidden recording, the imam says that he meant that both the man and the woman
Dialogue: 0,0:36:55.98,0:37:03.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should fulfill each other's sexual needs if there is no obstacle such as sickness or menstruation,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:03.36,0:37:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that family conflicts should first be resolved within the family and authorities should only be involved
Dialogue: 0,0:37:08.98,0:37:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in serious cases.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.09,0:37:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that people have come into contact with ideas of equality and this relationship between men
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.52,0:37:32.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and women, and that there is a large population that does not want this type of "Imam."
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.78,0:37:39.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, this is good. Equal rights. That purple one.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.61,0:37:43.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there is opposition among Muslims.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:43.05,0:37:46.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Azam and the others at the Women's Network
Dialogue: 0,0:37:46.34,0:37:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have gone to Tensta to demonstrate on International Women's Day.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:49.76,0:37:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We don't accept that our daughters and sisters should
Dialogue: 0,0:37:53.26,0:37:56.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be mistreated and murdered for having a boyfriend,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:56.61,0:38:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or are no longer virgins. We want our children to grow up to be equal individuals."
Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.69,0:38:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in January, Rinkeby's people's house was full of deeply religious Somali Sufis, who protested by celebrating Mawlid
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.26,0:38:36.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mohammad's birthday, which is as forbidden among the ultra-orthodox Muslims as Christmas is for Jehova's Witnesses.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.43,0:38:45.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They call themselves Muslims and say they have the same prophet as we do.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.25,0:38:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they have interpreted everything falsely.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:47.60,0:38:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We think they are spreading false ideas and information especially to women and children.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.18,0:39:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In London, the Sufi's are called the quiet majority's voice.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.52,0:39:07.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are known for their tolerance and they think religion should be a private thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.79,0:39:15.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as challenging the religious leaders who are spreading Saudi Arabia's ultra orthodox interpretations
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.68,0:39:20.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.59,0:39:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only we who are educated in religion but who don't share their beliefs can understand.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:26.72,0:39:33.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They use different methods to deal with different people.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:33.39,0:39:35.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:35.26,0:39:41.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When they meet with Swedish authorities they say what they think they want to hear.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.01,0:39:49.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is the same in Britain and Arab countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.86,0:39:58.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We end our journey with those we rang first.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:58.87,0:40:02.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Islamic Cultural Centre in Rinkeby.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:02.73,0:40:06.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It took a while for the women to get an appointment with the imam.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:06.07,0:40:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now he is waiting for them, one late Friday night in Rinkeby Square.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.64,0:40:24.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have also heard that it is here that the most hardline interpretations of the Quran are spread.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.87,0:40:28.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I say that when we speak about religion
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.47,0:40:31.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to talk about everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.13,0:40:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I am going to lie with her one night, then I lie with the other the second night, if she is there.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.40,0:40:45.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has to be equal.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.22,0:40:50.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just as the other imams, he says her husband under certain circumstances has the right to marry
Dialogue: 0,0:40:50.07,0:40:52.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with several women.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.63,0:40:59.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when he finds out that the man hits her,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.13,0:41:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the women get a reply they have not heard before.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.00,0:41:04.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If he does this, she has the right to report him to the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.47,0:41:07.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the most important thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:07.05,0:41:10.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will he go to prison?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:10.27,0:41:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.73,0:41:18.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the last word is that you have to report him to the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.73,0:41:28.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything he says, doesn't belong in the religion. Understood?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:31.13,0:41:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The result was the opposite of what we expected.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.68,0:41:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the small mosque which has a reputation for hardline Islamism
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.47,0:41:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we found the first Imam who says to Akhdar that she must report her husband to the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.78,0:41:57.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the really big mosque, where the Swedish ministers go,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:57.07,0:42:02.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the woman is told to give total submission.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.27,0:42:15.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Don't refuse to give love to him, maybe he will change."
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.07,0:42:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have now asked our questions to all 10 mosques.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.07,0:42:22.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We visited 7 of these.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:22.54,0:42:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other 3 we phoned.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.44,0:42:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we know which interpretations of Islam they are spreading.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:29.07,0:42:34.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No mosque says that the Quran gives a man the right to beat his wife.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.93,0:42:44.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But according to one mosque, he has the right to do this (man demonstrates)
Dialogue: 0,0:42:44.46,0:42:54.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,6 of the 10 say that a Muslim woman is obligated to have sex with her husband even against her will.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.07,0:42:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"She must accept, she must accept."
Dialogue: 0,0:42:58.62,0:43:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,6 mosques say that the woman should not go to the police if the man hits her.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:07.19,0:43:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They think the problem should be resolved in the family, perhaps with the help of an imam.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.34,0:43:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Not the police. You are Muslim and will have a lot of problems. They might take away your children."
Dialogue: 0,0:43:21.28,0:43:28.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In one mosque, there is a mixed statement, another gives us a weak answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:28.73,0:43:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only 2 say that the woman should definitely report the mistreatment to the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.12,0:43:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 9 mosques we were told that the man under certain circumstances could marry several women.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:46.20,0:43:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"He can marry another. It is not haram."
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.40,0:43:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It is allowed to have up to four wives."
Dialogue: 0,0:43:55.47,0:44:03.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only one says the man can't do this and that one must follow Swedish law in Sweden.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:07.87,0:44:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How many of the 400,000 Muslims in Sweden do you think agree with these imams who say it should be resolved within the family,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:16.76,0:44:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have sex against your will, and accept your husband marrying another?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.27,0:44:33.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is difficult to say, but spontaneously I would say very few. Very few would go along with this kind of humiliation.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:33.53,0:44:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But these are the spokespeople for the whole group?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:36.13,0:44:41.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. This is the problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:48.47,0:44:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can go on our website and chat about the report with Nadia Yllner and Sanna Klinghoffer.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:58.93,0:45:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am going to visit several of the mosques where we recorded secretly.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.00,0:45:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, the most important in Sweden. Stockholm's mosque in Medborgarplatsen.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:08.93,0:45:16.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A spokesperson for the Islamic Association, Abdallah Saleh, will answer the questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.47,0:45:19.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The five o'clock prayer meeting has just ended.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:19.53,0:45:23.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We meet on the top floor.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:23.67,0:45:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The politics of this mosque and interpretation of Islam fits in perfectly with Swedish society and to Sweden.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.60,0:45:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Swedish society's basic values are democracy, equality, parity between man and woman.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:41.80,0:45:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does this clash with what you teach?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.00,0:45:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think everything you have mentioned is part of Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.47,0:45:52.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't have any problems with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:52.82,0:45:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So men and women have equal rights?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.60,0:45:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They each have their roles and they complete each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:59.07,0:46:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when it comes to rights, there is no difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:04.66,0:46:06.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.33,0:46:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We follow Sweden's laws. Stockholm's mosque is in Stockholm, in Sweden
Dialogue: 0,0:46:11.32,0:46:13.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is under Swedish laws.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:13.81,0:46:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If a man mistreats and abuses his wife, should she report it to the police?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:21.15,0:46:23.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She? Of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:23.73,0:46:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how it is. That's what you say when you give advice to women?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:29.00,0:46:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If someone came to ask me that is what I would answer, of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:34.00,0:46:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I told Abdallah Saleh that two women had come to the mosque's family counselor, the imam Mahmud Adam
Dialogue: 0,0:46:42.80,0:46:49.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and after the woman had spoken about her husband having another wife, and that she had been given the
Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.27,0:46:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,advice to accept this, since the man has the right to four wives.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:53.40,0:47:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They also said that the man had mistreated the woman, and he replied that she should still not refuse him sex and not report it to the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:07.49,0:47:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it is an individual question, for each person. God created us free.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.90,0:47:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every person who is mistreated by another, it is she or he who decides what they should do.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:22.00,0:47:28.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They should not wait for an imam or minister to tell them what to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:28.40,0:47:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you should not have said this? That she should not report it to the police?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:33.24,0:47:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that she should have sex with the one who had mistreated her?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:36.07,0:47:38.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I don't know. This should not have happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:38.60,0:47:40.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It should not have happened, you say.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:40.87,0:47:43.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now that I am here, could I ask him do you think?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:43.48,0:47:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, if he accepts and he is here.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:47.27,0:47:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Abdallah Salah goes down and talks to the imam who met the women
Dialogue: 0,0:47:55.40,0:48:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, but you can talk to him after five minutes on the phone.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:04.80,0:48:12.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Words against words.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:12.23,0:48:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now they don't know that we have filmed the meeting between the women and the imam.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.90,0:48:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, good, but you never told her that, just to clarify, you never told her not to report him to the police?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:28.65,0:48:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:33.10,0:48:35.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you trust him?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.67,0:48:43.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I trust him, until proven otherwise.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:51.93,0:48:57.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here we have this meeting filmed.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:57.42,0:49:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can listen yourself and see for yourself, this meeting here in your mosque.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:05.40,0:49:17.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It can be a little difficult. Do you know why? The police will take him into custody.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:17.40,0:49:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he will be given 2 or 3 years in prison."
Dialogue: 0,0:49:29.00,0:49:31.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you say?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:31.27,0:49:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, he doesn't say clearly to her that you should not report him.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.50,0:49:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He advices her.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:40.07,0:49:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. Well not really, but I judge this to be misconduct in service, nothing else. He cannot do this.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:47.07,0:49:51.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He cannot.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:51.33,0:49:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How serious do you think it is?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:53.53,0:50:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it is very serious. I have to call him in or contact the management to call him in for a conversation.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:01.13,0:50:08.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what one finds, for these two women who came here, this is the reality.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:08.07,0:50:11.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One couldn't trust you when it comes to these questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:11.68,0:50:16.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, wait a bit, you have come here to show what? What is it you want to say?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:16.67,0:50:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is what the women have...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.83,0:50:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No but remember that he did not tell her do not report him.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:24.24,0:50:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He tried to...our role here is to try to keep people together. But the way he did it, if she understood
Dialogue: 0,0:50:38.27,0:50:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that she should not report this, I said that it was misconduct.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:41.20,0:50:42.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If she understood? It is clear, he...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:42.26,0:50:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then it is misconduct. It has to do with an individual's judgement and nothing else.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:48.40,0:50:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't have this as a policy. We are very clear about this. In the routine, you can talk for five minutes
Dialogue: 0,0:50:58.67,0:51:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or one hour, but what he has done is unacceptable for me as someone responsible or someone in
Dialogue: 0,0:51:06.60,0:51:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the management.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:07.82,0:51:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is he a total exception do you think? He has nothing to do with your viewpoints?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:12.33,0:51:13.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, no.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:13.93,0:51:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why does he say this then?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:15.60,0:51:23.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can ask him. But for me, as an institution, as a mosque, everything that has happened here should not happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:23.47,0:51:26.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ring him up and tell him you watched this then.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:26.27,0:51:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Abdallah ringer Mahmud Adam and we agree to return the next day at 9 o'clock for an interview.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:40.40,0:51:49.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like you to watch it and express yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:49.40,0:51:55.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before this, we had time to visit Uppsala mosque, where the family counselor Abdul Waddud told
Dialogue: 0,0:51:55.87,0:52:03.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the mistreated woman in niqab to ask pardon of her husband because she had made him angry.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:03.27,0:52:10.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am meeting Khalid Chowdery who is chairman of the Islamic Association in Uppsala.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:10.30,0:52:16.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I asked him the same questions as in Stockholm and got the same answers. Here we follow Swedish laws
Dialogue: 0,0:52:16.40,0:52:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Swedish values.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:18.80,0:52:24.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I speak about family counselor Waddud and his meeting with the two women.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:24.13,0:52:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,About three times, he is told that, of the two women that came in, one was mistreated
Dialogue: 0,0:52:37.47,0:52:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by her husband, who has several wives. We have recorded this meeting when the two women visited. They are wearing niqab.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:51.67,0:52:53.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will play it for you, is that okay?
Dialogue: 0,0:52:53.13,0:53:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I will apologize, and hope God helps me. That I should cleanse my heart and not be jealous."
Dialogue: 0,0:53:02.97,0:53:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I won't ring the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:05.64,0:53:08.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No you shouldn't ring the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:08.63,0:53:11.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God helps us.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:11.30,0:53:18.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No you should not ring the police" - crystal clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:18.07,0:53:26.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is personally responsible. It is not our mosque or association.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:26.47,0:53:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The woman who was mistreated should ask pardon, he said.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:42.42,0:53:57.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We follow Swedish law. It depends on her, there is a law there to protect her.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:57.51,0:54:01.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but he tells her not to go to the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:01.27,0:54:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes but that is his responsibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:03.40,0:54:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What kind of viewpoint on women is this? What kind of viewpoint on humans?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:08.68,0:54:11.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That a man has a right to four wives?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:11.27,0:54:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is not legal.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:14.16,0:54:18.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is not legal in Sweden, in Swedish law.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:18.87,0:54:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but this is Sweden where this is happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:21.27,0:54:24.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, and that is what we also believe.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:24.07,0:54:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We accept this also. We don't have four wives.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:27.27,0:54:42.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She can go to the police if she wants or she can forgive him if she wants. It depends on her.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:42.07,0:54:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is also a person who has studied Islam and he has his own understanding. He is not speaking for Uppsala mosque.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:54.93,0:54:58.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is his private understanding?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:58.13,0:55:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:00.62,0:55:06.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I phone Abdul Waddud, the family counselor in the secret recording.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:06.03,0:55:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He doesn't want to meet me or see the material.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:10.73,0:55:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Should the woman ask for pardon when a man hits her?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:17.93,0:55:25.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Back to the mosque in Stockholm where we were promised an interview with Mahmud Adam.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:25.63,0:55:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the management has had a crisis meeting and decided that he is suspended until further investigation
Dialogue: 0,0:55:32.73,0:55:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that he is forbidden from talking to media.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:35.40,0:55:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we want to speak to him.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:38.70,0:55:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am here to take responsibility, and we have decided the employees under investigation should not speak.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:45.74,0:55:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why not? Why can't he speak with us? That would be the best way to investigate.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:50.47,0:55:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, that's right. That's why I met you yesterday and I am here today to listen to you and we are very
Dialogue: 0,0:55:59.65,0:56:06.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,grateful and we see this as very serious and will do this investigation and return to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:06.64,0:56:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today you are not certain, despite hearing and seeing it, that he has done something wrong?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:12.33,0:56:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I heard Mahmud and heard you and it is not just me who is responsible. We will investigate and come back
Dialogue: 0,0:56:20.47,0:56:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a response. Are you satisfied?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:22.53,0:56:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you have changed your mind from yesterday?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:24.24,0:56:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have not changed my mind. I have said we have a policy, we will compare everything Mahmud has done
Dialogue: 0,0:56:31.20,0:56:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with that policy. If it is wrong, we will call it misconduct and next time you will not need to use a
Dialogue: 0,0:56:36.47,0:56:47.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hidden camera, you can ring at any time and come at any time and film any activity you want to film.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:47.93,0:56:49.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have nothing to hide.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:49.27,0:56:52.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was it not a good thing we used a hidden camera, or we would have believed what you said?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:52.57,0:56:56.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are very thankful you helped us to improve us as I said yesterday
Dialogue: 0,0:56:56.13,0:57:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I am still thanking you for this.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:00.53,0:57:03.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise we would never have done an investigation
Dialogue: 0,0:57:06.89,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here Mission: Investigation ends tonight. Next week...