1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 I'm going to talk today about saving more, 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,000 but not today, tomorrow. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 I'm going to talk about Save More Tomorrow. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,000 It's a program that Richard Thaler 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 from the University of Chicago and I 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,000 devised maybe 15 years ago. 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,000 The program, in a sense, 8 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000 is an example of behavioral finance 9 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,000 on steroids -- 10 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,000 how we could really use behavioral finance. 11 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,000 Now you might ask, what is behavioral finance? 12 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,000 So let's think about how we manage our money. 13 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Let's start with mortgages. 14 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 It's kind of a recent topic, 15 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,000 at least in the U.S. 16 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 A lot of people buy 17 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,000 the biggest house they can afford, 18 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 and actually slightly bigger than that. 19 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 And then they foreclose. 20 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,000 And then they blame the banks 21 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 for being the bad guys who gave them the mortgages. 22 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Let's also think about 23 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 how we manage risks -- 24 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 for example, investing in the stock market. 25 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Two years ago, three years ago, about four years ago, 26 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 markets did well. 27 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,000 We were risk takers, of course. 28 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Then market stocks seize 29 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,000 and we're like, "Wow. 30 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 These losses, they feel, emotionally, 31 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,000 they feel very different 32 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,000 from what we actually thought about it 33 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,000 when markets were going up." 34 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,000 So we're probably not doing a great job 35 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,000 when it comes to risk taking. 36 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,000 How many of you have iPhones? 37 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Anyone? Wonderful. 38 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,000 I would bet many more of you 39 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 insure your iPhone -- 40 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,000 you're implicitly buying insurance by having an extended warranty. 41 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,000 What if you lose your iPhone? 42 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,000 What if you do this? 43 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 How many of you have kids? 44 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Anyone? 45 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Keep your hands up 46 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 if you have sufficient life insurance. 47 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,000 I see a lot of hands coming down. 48 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 I would predict, 49 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 if you're a representative sample, 50 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 that many more of you 51 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,000 insure your iPhones than your lives, 52 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 even when you have kids. 53 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,000 We're not doing that well when it comes to insurance. 54 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,000 The average American household 55 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,000 spends 1,000 dollars a year 56 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,000 on lotteries. 57 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,000 And I know it sounds crazy. 58 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 How many of you spend a thousand dollars a year on lotteries? 59 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 No one. 60 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,000 So that tells us that the people not in this room 61 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,000 are spending more than a thousand 62 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,000 to get the average to a thousand. 63 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Low-income people 64 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 spend a lot more than a thousand on lotteries. 65 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 So where does it take us? 66 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,000 We're not doing a great job managing money. 67 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,000 Behavioral finance is really a combination 68 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,000 of psychology and economics, 69 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,000 trying to understand 70 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 the money mistakes people make. 71 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,000 And I can keep standing here 72 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 for the 12 minutes and 53 seconds that I have left 73 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 and make fun of all sorts of ways 74 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 we manage money, 75 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,000 and at the end you're going to ask, "How can we help people?" 76 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,000 And that's what I really want to focus on today. 77 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 How do we take an understanding 78 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 of the money mistakes people make, 79 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,000 and then turning the behavioral challenges 80 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,000 into behavioral solutions? 81 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,000 And what I'm going to talk about today 82 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,000 is Save More Tomorrow. 83 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,000 I want to address the issue 84 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,000 of savings. 85 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,000 We have on the screen 86 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,000 a representative sample 87 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,000 of 100 Americans. 88 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,000 And we're going to look at their saving behavior. 89 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,000 First thing to notice is, 90 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,000 half of them 91 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,000 do not even have access 92 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,000 to a 401(k) plan. 93 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,000 They cannot make savings easy. 94 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,000 They cannot have money go away from their paycheck 95 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,000 into a 401(k) plan 96 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,000 before they see it, 97 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,000 before they can touch it. 98 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,000 What about the remaining half of the people? 99 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,000 Some of them elect not to save. 100 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,000 They're just too lazy. 101 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000 They never get around to logging into a complicated website 102 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,000 and doing 17 clicks to join the 401(k) plan. 103 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 And then they have to decide how they're going to invest 104 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 in their 52 choices, 105 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,000 and they never heard about what is a money market fund. 106 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,000 And they get overwhelmed and the just don't join. 107 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,000 How many people end up saving to a 401(k) plan? 108 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,000 One third of Americans. 109 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Two thirds are not saving now. 110 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Are they saving enough? 111 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Take out those 112 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,000 who say they save too little. 113 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,000 One out of 10 114 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,000 are saving enough. 115 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Nine out of 10 116 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,000 either cannot save through their 401(k) plan, 117 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 decide not to save -- or don't decide -- 118 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,000 or save too little. 119 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,000 We think we have a problem 120 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,000 of people saving too much. 121 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Let's look at that. 122 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,000 We have one person -- 123 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,000 well, actually we're going to slice him in half 124 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,000 because it's less than one percent. 125 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Roughly half a percent of Americans 126 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,000 feel that they save too much. 127 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,000 What are we going to do about it? 128 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,000 That's what I really want to focus on. 129 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,000 We have to understand 130 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,000 why people are not saving, 131 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000 and then we can hopefully flip 132 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,000 the behavioral challenges 133 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,000 into behavioral solutions, 134 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,000 and then see how powerful it might be. 135 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 So let me divert for a second 136 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,000 as we're going to identify the problems, 137 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,000 the challenges, the behavioral challenges, 138 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,000 that prevent people from saving. 139 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,000 I'm going to divert and talk about bananas and chocolate. 140 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Suppose we had another wonderful TED event next week. 141 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 And during the break 142 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,000 there would be a snack 143 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,000 and you could choose bananas or chocolate. 144 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 How many of you think you would like to have bananas 145 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,000 during this hypothetical TED event next week? 146 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Who would go for bananas? 147 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Wonderful. 148 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,000 I predict scientifically 149 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,000 74 percent of you will go for bananas. 150 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Well that's at least what one wonderful study predicted. 151 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,000 And then count down the days 152 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,000 and see what people ended up eating. 153 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,000 The same people that imagined themselves 154 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000 eating the bananas 155 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,000 ended up eating chocolates 156 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000 a week later. 157 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Self-control 158 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 is not a problem in the future. 159 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,000 It's only a problem now 160 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,000 when the chocolate is next to us. 161 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,000 What does it have to do with time and savings, 162 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,000 this issue of immediate gratification? 163 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Or as some economists call it, present bias. 164 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,000 We think about saving. We know we should be saving. 165 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,000 We know we'll do it next year, but today let us go and spend. 166 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 Christmas is coming, 167 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 we might as well buy a lot of gifts for everyone we know. 168 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,000 So this issue of present bias 169 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000 causes us to think about saving, 170 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,000 but end up spending. 171 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Let me now talk 172 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,000 about another behavioral obstacle to saving 173 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 having to do with inertia. 174 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,000 But again, a little diversion 175 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,000 to the topic of organ donation. 176 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Wonderful study comparing different countries. 177 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000 We're going to look at two similar countries, 178 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,000 Germany and Austria. 179 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,000 And in Germany, 180 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 if you would like to donate your organs -- 181 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,000 God forbid something really bad 182 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 happens to you -- 183 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 when you get your driving license or an I.D., 184 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 you check the box saying, 185 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 "I would like to donate my organs." 186 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Not many people like checking boxes. 187 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,000 It takes effort. You need to think. 188 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Twelve percent do. 189 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,000 Austria, a neighboring country, 190 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,000 slightly similar, slightly different. 191 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,000 What's the difference? 192 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Well, you still have choice. 193 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,000 You will decide 194 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,000 whether you want to donate your organs or not. 195 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,000 But when you get your driving license, 196 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,000 you check the box 197 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,000 if you do not want to donate your organ. 198 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Nobody checks boxes. 199 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,000 That's kind of too much effort. 200 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,000 One percent check the box. The rest do nothing. 201 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Doing nothing is very common. 202 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Not many people check boxes. 203 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,000 What are the implications 204 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,000 to saving lives 205 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,000 and having organs available? 206 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 In Germany, 12 percent check the box. 207 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,000 Twelve percent are organ donors. 208 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Huge shortage of organs, 209 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,000 God forbid, if you need one. 210 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,000 In Austria, again, nobody checks the box. 211 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,000 Therefore, 99 percent of people 212 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 are organ donors. 213 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 Inertia, lack of action. 214 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,000 What is the default setting 215 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,000 if people do nothing, 216 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,000 if they keep procrastinating, if they don't check the boxes? 217 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,000 Very powerful. 218 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,000 We're going to talk 219 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,000 about what happens if people are overwhelmed and scared 220 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,000 to make their 401(k) choices. 221 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,000 Are we going to make them automatically join the plan, 222 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,000 or are they going to be left out? 223 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000 In too many 401(k) plans, 224 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 if people do nothing, 225 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,000 it means they're not saving for retirement, 226 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,000 if they don't check the box. 227 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,000 And checking the box takes effort. 228 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 So we've chatted about a couple of behavioral challenges. 229 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,000 One more before we flip the challenges into solutions, 230 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,000 having to do with monkeys and apples. 231 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,000 No, no, no, this is a real study 232 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,000 and it's got a lot to do with behavioral economics. 233 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,000 One group of monkeys gets an apple, they're pretty happy. 234 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,000 The other group gets two apples, one is taken away. 235 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,000 They still have an apple left. 236 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,000 They're really mad. 237 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Why have you taken our apple? 238 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,000 This is the notion of loss aversion. 239 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,000 We hate losing stuff, 240 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,000 even if it doesn't mean a lot of risk. 241 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,000 You would hate to go to the ATM, 242 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,000 take out 100 dollars 243 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,000 and notice that you lost one of those $20 bills. 244 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,000 It's very painful, 245 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,000 even though it doesn't mean anything. 246 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Those 20 dollars might have been a quick lunch. 247 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,000 So this notion of loss aversion 248 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,000 kicks in when it comes to savings too, 249 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,000 because people, mentally 250 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,000 and emotionally and intuitively 251 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,000 frame savings as a loss 252 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,000 because I have to cut my spending. 253 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,000 So we talked about 254 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,000 all sorts of behavioral challenges 255 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,000 having to do with savings eventually. 256 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,000 Whether you think about immediate gratification, 257 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,000 and the chocolates versus bananas, 258 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,000 it's just painful to save now. 259 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,000 It's a lot more fun 260 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,000 to spend now. 261 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,000 We talked about inertia and organ donations 262 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 and checking the box. 263 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,000 If people have to check a lot of boxes 264 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,000 to join a 401(k) plan, 265 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,000 they're going to keep procrastinating 266 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 and not join. 267 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 And last, we talked about loss aversion, 268 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,000 and the monkeys and the apples. 269 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,000 If people frame mentally 270 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,000 saving for retirement as a loss, 271 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 they're not going to be saving for retirement. 272 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,000 So we've got these challenges, 273 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,000 and what Richard Thaler and I 274 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,000 were always fascinated by -- 275 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,000 take behavioral finance, 276 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,000 make it behavioral finance on steroids 277 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,000 or behavioral finance 2.0 278 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,000 or behavioral finance in action -- 279 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,000 flip the challenges into solutions. 280 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 And we came up with an embarrassingly simple solution 281 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,000 called Save More, not today, Tomorrow. 282 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,000 How is it going to solve the challenges 283 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,000 we chatted about? 284 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,000 If you think about the problem 285 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000 of bananas versus chocolates, 286 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,000 we think we're going to eat bananas next week. 287 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 We think we're going to save more next year. 288 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Save More Tomorrow 289 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,000 invites employees 290 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,000 to save more maybe next year -- 291 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,000 sometime in the future 292 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,000 when we can imagine ourselves 293 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,000 eating bananas, 294 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,000 volunteering more in the community, 295 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,000 exercising more and doing all the right things on the planet. 296 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,000 Now we also talked about checking the box 297 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,000 and the difficulty of taking action. 298 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Save More Tomorrow 299 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,000 makes it easy. 300 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,000 It's an autopilot. 301 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,000 Once you tell me you would like to save more in the future, 302 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,000 let's say every January 303 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,000 you're going to be saving more automatically 304 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,000 and it's going to go away from your paycheck to the 401(k) plan 305 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,000 before you see it, before you touch it, 306 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,000 before you get the issue 307 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,000 of immediate gratification. 308 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,000 But what are we going to do about the monkeys 309 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,000 and loss aversion? 310 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Next January comes 311 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,000 and people might feel that if they save more, 312 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,000 they have to spend less, and that's painful. 313 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,000 Well, maybe it shouldn't be just January. 314 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,000 Maybe we should make people save more 315 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,000 when they make more money. 316 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,000 That way, when they make more money, when they get a pay raise, 317 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,000 they don't have to cut their spending. 318 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 They take a little bit 319 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,000 of the increase in the paycheck home 320 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,000 and spend more -- 321 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 take a little bit of the increase 322 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,000 and put it in a 401(k) plan. 323 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 So that is the program, 324 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,000 embarrassingly simple, 325 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,000 but as we're going to see, 326 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 extremely powerful. 327 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,000 We first implemented it, 328 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Richard Thaler and I, 329 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,000 back in 1998. 330 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Mid-sized company in the Midwest, 331 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,000 blue collar employees 332 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,000 struggling to pay their bills 333 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,000 repeatedly told us 334 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,000 they cannot save more right away. 335 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Saving more today is not an option. 336 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 We invited them to save 337 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,000 three percentage points more 338 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,000 every time they get a pay raise. 339 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,000 And here are the results. 340 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,000 We're seeing here a three and a half-year period, 341 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,000 four pay raises, 342 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 people who were struggling to save, 343 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 were saving three percent of their paycheck, 344 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,000 three and a half years later 345 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,000 saving almost four times as much, 346 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,000 almost 14 percent. 347 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,000 And there's shoes and bicycles 348 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,000 and things on this chart 349 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,000 because I don't want to just throw numbers 350 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 in a vacuum. 351 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,000 I want, really, to think about the fact 352 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,000 that saving four times more 353 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 is a huge difference 354 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,000 in terms of the lifestyle 355 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,000 that people will be able to afford. 356 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,000 It's real. 357 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,000 It's not just numbers on a piece of paper. 358 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,000 Whereas with saving three percent, 359 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,000 people might have to add nice sneakers 360 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,000 so they can walk, 361 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,000 because they won't be able to afford anything else, 362 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,000 when they save 14 percent 363 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,000 they might be able to maybe have nice dress shoes 364 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,000 to walk to the car to drive. 365 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,000 This is a real difference. 366 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:16,000 By now, about 60 percent of the large companies 367 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,000 actually have programs like this in place. 368 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,000 It's been part of the Pension Protection Act. 369 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 And needless to say that Thaler and I 370 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,000 have been blessed to be part of this program 371 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,000 and make a difference. 372 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,000 Let me wrap 373 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,000 with two key messages. 374 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,000 One is behavioral finance 375 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,000 is extremely powerful. 376 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,000 This is just one example. 377 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Message two 378 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,000 is there's still a lot to do. 379 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,000 This is really the tip of the iceberg. 380 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,000 If you think about people and mortgages 381 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,000 and buying houses and then not being able to pay for it, 382 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,000 we need to think about that. 383 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,000 If you're thinking about people taking too much risk 384 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,000 and not understanding how much risk they're taking 385 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,000 or taking too little risk, 386 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,000 we need to think about that. 387 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,000 If you think about people spending a thousand dollars a year 388 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 on lottery tickets, 389 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,000 we need to think about that. 390 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,000 The average actually, 391 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,000 the record is in Singapore. 392 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,000 The average household 393 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,000 spends $4,000 a year on lottery tickets. 394 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 We've got a lot to do, 395 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 a lot to solve, 396 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 also in the retirement area 397 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,000 when it comes to what people do with their money 398 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,000 after retirement. 399 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,000 One last question: 400 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,000 How many of you feel comfortable 401 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,000 that as you're planning for retirement 402 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 you have a really solid plan 403 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000 when you're going to retire, 404 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,000 when you're going to claim Social Security benefits, 405 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,000 what lifestyle to expect, 406 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,000 how much to spend every month 407 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,000 so you're not going to run out of money? 408 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,000 How many of you feel you have a solid plan for the future 409 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,000 when it comes to post-retirement decisions. 410 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,000 One, two, three, four. 411 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,000 Less than three percent 412 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000 of a very sophisticated audience. 413 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Behavioral finance has a long way. 414 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,000 There's a lot of opportunities 415 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,000 to make it powerful again and again and again. 416 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,000 Thank you. 417 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000 (Applause)