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Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.00,0:00:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, everyone to be here,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.00,0:00:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sorry for the improvising and
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.00,0:00:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the impromptu condition
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.00,0:00:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this press conference,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.00,0:00:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you also know,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.50,0:00:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is very very little, if any,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.50,0:00:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,representation of civil society in this eG8
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.00,0:00:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In last minute on Thursday,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.00,0:00:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they threw in some foldable chairs for us,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.50,0:00:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they improvised some freedom of expression panel
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.50,0:00:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just to say that our issues
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.00,0:00:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were represented after all.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.00,0:00:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what we saw yesterday
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.50,0:00:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was Nicolas Sarkozy addressing
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.00,0:00:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only CEOs and business actors,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.00,0:00:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telling them You are the Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.00,0:00:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are the revolution and
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.00,0:00:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are doing everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.50,0:01:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you now have the responsibility
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.50,0:01:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fight the pedonazis,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.50,0:01:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the terrorists, and the copyright wars
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.00,0:01:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this is something that disturbs us,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.50,0:01:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, all of us, here.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.00,0:01:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe each of us will make
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.00,0:01:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a quick statement of 4 to 5 minutes
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.00,0:01:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's say 4 minutes if we can do it
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.00,0:01:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have fantastic people around here
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.00,0:01:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Yochai Benkler of the Berkman Center
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.00,0:01:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Jean-François Julliard of Reporters Sans Frontières
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.00,0:01:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Susan, how would you define yourself?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.00,0:01:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Susan Crawford, former ICANN board member.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.00,0:01:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Professor Lawrence Lessig who doesn't need any
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.00,0:01:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,introduction at all, and Jeff Jarvis.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.00,0:01:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe Susan, you can begin.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.00,0:01:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The communique's already been drafted
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.00,0:01:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this g8 summit,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.00,0:01:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,errr meeting, this e-g8 meeting.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.00,0:01:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's been leaked to the NYtimes
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.50,0:02:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which published this story this morning,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.50,0:02:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explaining exactly what the communique would say
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.00,0:02:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason this press conference has been called is
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.50,0:02:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that civil society groups have joined together
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.50,0:02:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from around the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.00,0:02:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to issue a very short and simple statement
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.00,0:02:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,calling on the eG8 and in turn the G8
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.50,0:02:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to protect the open Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.00,0:02:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to maintain the neutrality of the Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.00,0:02:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to establish the principles that encourage
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.00,0:02:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the free flow of the information
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.00,0:02:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of us sitting up here today
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.50,0:02:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understand as do you out there
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.00,0:02:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that an open Internet is actually the basis
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.00,0:02:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a democratic flourishing around the world
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.00,0:02:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that all government policies
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.00,0:02:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that hoped to encourage citizens
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.00,0:02:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to flourish including education,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.00,0:02:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,health, energy policy...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.00,0:02:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every variety of policy
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.50,0:03:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that operates in the world today
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.00,0:03:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are all encouraged by the existence of an open Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.00,0:03:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that access to the Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.00,0:03:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is fundamental to human beings around the world
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.00,0:03:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the most important policies
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.50,0:03:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that governments should be embracing :
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.00,0:03:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an open, fast and fair, and free Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.00,0:03:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's a very simple reason for this conference.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.00,0:03:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We wanna make sure that
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.50,0:03:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these other voices are heard
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.00,0:03:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though the communique itself
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.00,0:03:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may already have been drafted.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.00,0:03:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I call on my colleagues here,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.50,0:03:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr Jarvis, Mr Lessig, Mr Benkler and
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.50,0:03:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Reporters Without Borders
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.50,0:03:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to amplify on these remarks.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.00,0:03:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's really very simple :
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.00,0:03:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we feel these voices aren't being heard
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.50,0:03:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We really want to ensure that the voiceless,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.50,0:03:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the future that hasn't been invited to this conference,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.50,0:03:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is allowed to have its say as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.00,0:03:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you Suzan
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.00,0:03:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a few copies here
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.00,0:03:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the civil society statement to the eG8 and G8.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.00,0:04:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The signature list is not the latest one
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.00,0:04:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can see groups such as Access Now
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.00,0:04:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who couldn't get a badge to enter here
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.00,0:04:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Association for Progressive Communications
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.00,0:04:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I won’t name them all, but
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.50,0:04:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is german Digitale Gesellschaft,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.00,0:04:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Electronic Frontier Foundation,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.00,0:04:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the European EDRI and so on and so on…
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.00,0:04:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is also this petition,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.00,0:04:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was organized by Access Now,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.00,0:04:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has been signed now by people
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.00,0:04:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from more than nineteen countries
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.00,0:04:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to reclaim exactly what was mentioned before
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.00,0:04:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is all that is not at the eG8
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.00,0:04:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, maybe we will hear now Jean-François,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.00,0:04:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he will be leaving for a workshop later on
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.00,0:04:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yep : Reporters Without Borders.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.00,0:04:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, thank you, I’m going to speak in French,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.00,0:04:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m sorry for those who don’t understand French,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.50,0:04:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I will say the same during
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.00,0:04:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the next panel in a couple of minutes,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.00,0:05:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I would like to say a few words
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.00,0:05:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in French because there are many French reporters here.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.00,0:05:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am extremely disappointed by what is said here,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.50,0:05:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this meeting from the start
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.00,0:05:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we gathered the top people concerned with
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.00,0:05:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet throughout the world
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.00,0:05:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the CEOs of the biggest companies
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.00,0:05:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those that made Internet’s
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.00,0:05:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extraordinary growth possible
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.00,0:05:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereas there hasn’t been a single word
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.50,0:05:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concerning those who are suffering
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.00,0:05:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.00,0:05:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think of the 126 people who are now in jail,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.50,0:05:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,126 bloggers NetCitizens, Internet users
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.50,0:05:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are jailed in Iran, in China, in Libya, in Vietnam
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.00,0:05:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in a whole lot of other countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.50,0:05:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are jailed only because they have used Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.00,0:05:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find this outrageous
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.50,0:05:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that no one had a thought for them yet,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.00,0:05:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,none of the leaders in the Internet sector
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.50,0:05:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who talked since the beginning of the meeting
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.00,0:05:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have had a thought for them
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.00,0:05:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is good to want to promote Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.50,0:05:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we should start with having a thought for those
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.50,0:06:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are suffering from this.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.00,0:06:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I can also tell that if we need
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.00,0:06:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make only one recommendation to the G8
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.00,0:06:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the governments that compose the G8,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.50,0:06:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would be to put the defence
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.00,0:06:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a Free internet before anything else.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.00,0:06:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is today one person in three in the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.50,0:06:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one internet user in three,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.00,0:06:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who doesn’t have access to a free internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.00,0:06:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So before thinking of regulation,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.00,0:06:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before thinking of even defending intellectual property,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.50,0:06:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before thinking to promote
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.50,0:06:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,economic transactions on the Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.00,0:06:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to focus on keeping Internet free
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.00,0:06:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Focus on allowing the Internet users,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.50,0:06:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all around the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.50,0:06:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wherever they might be,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.50,0:06:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to keep accessing a free Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.00,0:06:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to keep accessing the same Internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.00,0:06:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if we have to make only one recommendation,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.00,0:06:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s this one,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.00,0:06:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disregarding any other recommendation,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.50,0:06:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the G8 governments need to make the defence
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.00,0:06:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a Free internet their one absolute priority.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.00,0:06:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you Jean-François.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.00,0:06:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very hard now to choose
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.50,0:06:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who between those impressive analysts
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.00,0:07:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will speak first
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.00,0:07:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shall we cast a vote ?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.00,0:07:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Professor Lessig, maybe ?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.00,0:07:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, so, I just spoke and I'll be very brief.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.00,0:07:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's surprising to come to France
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.50,0:07:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and find something so deeply American going on
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.00,0:07:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the United States, for the last 30 years,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.00,0:07:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've been trapped in an ideology
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.00,0:07:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that says that we should regulate
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.50,0:07:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by getting business together
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.50,0:07:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ask them what is good public policy.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.00,0:07:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've done that in the United States
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.50,0:07:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to our great detriment.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.00,0:07:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The financial crisis brought about by deregulation
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.00,0:07:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pushed on the American government by
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.00,0:07:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,financial interests who benefited
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.50,0:07:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then brought the economy down
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.00,0:07:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in every other area of Internet policy
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.00,0:07:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we see the same thing
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.00,0:07:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have no broadband
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.50,0:07:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Bankler's report for the Berkman Center demonstrates,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.50,0:07:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have no penetration,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.50,0:07:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no effect of broadband in the United States
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.00,0:08:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of a strong policy of deregulation
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.00,0:08:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the American government bought,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.50,0:08:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it bought because the only people
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.50,0:08:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they cared to listen to were business
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.00,0:08:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So to come to France,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.00,0:08:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to see an event like this
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.00,0:08:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the presumption of the President is
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.00,0:08:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« Get the biggest businesses together
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.00,0:08:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ask them what the future
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.50,0:08:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the internet should be » is astonishing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.50,0:08:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s just...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.00,0:08:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I did a little bit of French philosophy,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.00,0:08:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I don’t remember the French philosopher
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.50,0:08:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who said : « Public policy is best devised
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.00,0:08:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by asking the businesses
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.00,0:08:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to draw up the public policy ».
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.50,0:08:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That doesn’t sound very French to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.00,0:08:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I’d love to come back to the Paris
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.50,0:08:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I loved before,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.00,0:08:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is not the American version of Paris,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.00,0:08:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the French version of Paris
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.00,0:08:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a reminder that they are more interests
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.00,0:08:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the interest of business.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.00,0:08:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Business is important,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.50,0:08:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in business there is a division between
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.00,0:08:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the incumbents and the innovators
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.50,0:08:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we have to keep that division alive.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.00,0:09:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there is also the people
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.00,0:09:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who built the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.00,0:09:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They weren’t originally business,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.50,0:09:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was civil society, it was ISOC,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.50,0:09:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was ICANN... it was not ICANN, it was IETF
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.00,0:09:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was a bunch of people who just aren’t here
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.00,0:09:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I agree with Susan,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.50,0:09:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to find a way to remind the people here,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.50,0:09:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the people who are not here,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.50,0:09:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are just as important to the story as them.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.00,0:09:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To avoid repeating
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.00,0:09:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the critical change produced by
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.50,0:09:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the digital network environment
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.00,0:09:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the radical decentralization
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.50,0:09:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the capacity to speak, to create,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.00,0:09:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to innovate, to see together, to socialize,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.50,0:09:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the radical distribution of the poor means
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.00,0:10:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of production, computations, communications,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.00,0:10:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,storage, sensing, capture, human sociality
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.00,0:10:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that which gets us together
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.00,0:10:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inside the experience,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.50,0:10:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being there on the ground.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.00,0:10:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is true for the first time
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.50,0:10:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the industrial revolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.00,0:10:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people can actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.50,0:10:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the things they own,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.50,0:10:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capture the world and do something
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.00,0:10:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is at the very core
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.50,0:10:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the most advanced economies.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.50,0:10:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Preserving that framework,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.00,0:10:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,preserving a framework that is open,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.50,0:10:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free-flowing, flexible, adaptive to change
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.00,0:10:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and inviting so that one person's sacrifice
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.00,0:10:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Sidi Bouzid can then be translated
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.50,0:10:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughout the Arab world into
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.50,0:10:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a moment of mobilization
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.00,0:10:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s new, that’s what is critical.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.50,0:10:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For over fifteen years now,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.00,0:10:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have seen two opposing camps
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.00,0:11:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the question of internet policy.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.00,0:11:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One camp is the camp of the 20th century incumbents,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.00,0:11:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are afraid that something will change
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.00,0:11:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are afraid of the people rising to participate
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.00,0:11:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,afraid of the outsiders innovating,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.00,0:11:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and coming from the edges
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.50,0:11:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who aren't authorized by the incumbents to innovate
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.00,0:11:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who don’t have to come and say
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.50,0:11:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« Will you please implement this
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.00,0:11:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for me on your network? ».
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.50,0:11:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are all the companies
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.50,0:11:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we see now as great fifteen years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.00,0:11:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were from the outside
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.00,0:11:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s where the source of innovation is
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.00,0:11:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other model has been
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.00,0:11:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« Let’s keep things open,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.50,0:11:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let’s keep things flexible, let’s keep things flow. »
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.00,0:11:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this opposition between those who say
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.50,0:11:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« It’s going too fast, slow it down,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.00,0:11:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make it manageable, make it safe »
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.00,0:11:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those who say
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.00,0:11:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« It’s extraordinary, it’s creative, let’s open this up,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.00,0:11:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we’re in a process of
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.50,0:11:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,continuous experimentation,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.00,0:12:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and adaptation, and learning.»
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.00,0:12:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an enormous learning moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.00,0:12:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That opposition has been there for fifteen years
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.00,0:12:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and occasionally we’ve seen periods
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.00,0:12:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as in the United States twelve years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.50,0:12:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the approach of shutting things down
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.00,0:12:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making Internet Service Providers
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.50,0:12:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to look upon of what it is that the content
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.50,0:12:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of their producers, regulating on software
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.00,0:12:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulating new services
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.00,0:12:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make sure that they don't make too much
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.00,0:12:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a threat to the incumbent industries win.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.00,0:12:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then there was a long period of lolling
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.00,0:12:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in between where we understood
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.00,0:12:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the centrality of the commons
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.00,0:12:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we understood the centrality of what's open
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.50,0:12:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now what is baffling about this two days
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.50,0:12:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the seeming resurgence of what we saw
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.50,0:12:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ten, twelve, fifteen years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.00,0:12:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as though we had learned nothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.00,0:12:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When people yesterday on the panel on IP
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.00,0:12:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were talking about if we don't have
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.50,0:12:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strong intellectual property
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.00,0:12:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Internet will be just
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.50,0:12:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an empty set of tubes and boxes,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.00,0:12:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I heard that fifteen years ago, and maybe,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.00,0:13:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe then it was a plausible assumption.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.50,0:13:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today, it is laughable,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.00,0:13:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except that it seems to have the ear of power.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.50,0:13:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I think that what's critical here,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.00,0:13:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to understand is that there are pathways,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.50,0:13:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the Hargreaves Report from last week
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.50,0:13:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shows a pathway that says: No!
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.00,0:13:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have to lock things down,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.50,0:13:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to be very careful about
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.00,0:13:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,locking things down for IP
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.00,0:13:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,instead I need to explore ways
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.50,0:13:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to open and allow flows.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.00,0:13:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the critical opposition.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.00,0:13:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Achieving socially desirable
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.50,0:13:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and acceptable and legitimate goals
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.50,0:13:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while retaining an open fluid free Internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.50,0:13:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Versus, being so scared of the new,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.00,0:13:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you are willing to lock it down,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.00,0:13:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or to try to lock it down and to distort it.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.50,0:13:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the opposition on which we all have to be
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.50,0:13:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- whether it's about business, and innovation
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.50,0:13:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about social equality and access,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.50,0:13:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or about democracy and participation
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.00,0:13:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's about liberty, equality or fraternity
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.00,0:14:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- we all have to be on the same side of the path
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.00,0:14:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of retaining an open net
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.50,0:14:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you. Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.00,0:14:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find myself profoundly frightened
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.50,0:14:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in these two days
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.00,0:14:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm frightened of those who are so
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.50,0:14:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,frightened of change that they will try to stop it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.50,0:14:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Internet is not governments,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.00,0:14:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said to President Sarkozy yesterday,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.50,0:14:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yet the government tries to act as if it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.50,0:14:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said it was not clear,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.00,0:14:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he feels he has the authority to regulate it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.00,0:14:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tweeted this morning
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.00,0:14:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I felt rather like a native,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.50,0:14:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be so presumptuous,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.50,0:14:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Americas or of Africa
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.00,0:14:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the colonist ships
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.00,0:14:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would come in to civilize it
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.00,0:14:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« We have nothing to fear »
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.00,0:14:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As the CTO of the Verizon Administration
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.50,0:14:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in America calls it,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.00,0:14:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Internet is « The Eighth Continent ».
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.00,0:14:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a new land;
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.50,0:14:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it has not been colonized,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.00,0:14:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is no flag from France
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.50,0:14:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the US or the UK or anyone on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.50,0:14:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is ours.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.00,0:14:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, to that extent
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.50,0:15:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't blame President Sarkozy
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.00,0:15:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Publicis at all for convening this meeting
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.00,0:15:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are filling a vacuum
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.00,0:15:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we the people have left.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.00,0:15:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I think it is incumbent upon us,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.00,0:15:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the citizens of this 8th continent,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.00,0:15:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this new land,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.50,0:15:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to hold and convene our own meeting,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.00,0:15:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our own discussion,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.50,0:15:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we can invite,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.50,0:15:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should invite, the governments,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.00,0:15:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should invite the companies.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.00,0:15:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'd rather this discussion
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.50,0:15:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was held at our table,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.50,0:15:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather then at government's table,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.50,0:15:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is what's happening here.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.50,0:15:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what does that discussion need to entail?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.00,0:15:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think that we need to have
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.00,0:15:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Constitution or a set of laws on the Internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.50,0:15:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This... as my esteemed colleagues up here say,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.50,0:15:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is the very architecture of the Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.00,0:15:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is its best protection
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.50,0:15:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is its very openness,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.50,0:15:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is its best protection to stay open.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.00,0:15:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the fact that it is distributed.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.00,0:15:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think that we need to have
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.00,0:15:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a discussion of principles
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.00,0:15:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I say, or in... in...
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.50,0:15:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it won't end in some sort of statute or constitution
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.00,0:15:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don't think it should.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.50,0:16:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yet I do think we need to have a discussion,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.00,0:16:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we need principles we can point
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.50,0:16:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to when we see them violated,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.00,0:16:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we see Verizon, and Google,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.50,0:16:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right I am going to talk about Google,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.00,0:16:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am a certified fanboy
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.50,0:16:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I am very disapointed in Google
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.00,0:16:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for doing a devil's pact with Verizon
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.00,0:16:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to cut up the Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.00,0:16:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the Internet and Schminternet
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.00,0:16:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you are on the wire it acts one way,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.50,0:16:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you are out of the wire it acts another way
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.50,0:16:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's all in one Internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.00,0:16:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what are those principles?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.00,0:16:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On my blog I wrote a post
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.50,0:16:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that led up to my question
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.00,0:16:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to President Sarkozy yesterday
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.50,0:16:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on my suggestion that he and others
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.00,0:16:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take an Hippocratic Oath,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.00,0:16:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm so honored to have been quoted by
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.00,0:16:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Professor Lessig in a Lessig Powerpoint,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.50,0:16:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry keynote,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.00,0:16:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry we'll have an au revoir on this, but I...
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.00,0:16:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are many good efforts
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.00,0:16:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to build Bills of Rights for the Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.50,0:16:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have thrown out my humble suggestions,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.50,0:16:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they weren't certainly wrong,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.50,0:16:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think among them
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.00,0:16:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is the right to connect,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.50,0:16:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when someone cuts off that right
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.50,0:16:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a violation of Human Rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.50,0:16:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when Egypt cuts off the Internet connection,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.00,0:16:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Human Rights have been violated.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.00,0:17:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That right to connect is a preamble
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.50,0:17:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the right of free speech.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.50,0:17:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what follows the right of free speech
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.50,0:17:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the right to act and to assemble.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.50,0:17:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was in the French constitution
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.00,0:17:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the notion of the right
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.00,0:17:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to assemble was invented.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.00,0:17:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we need a notion that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.50,0:17:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our information of our institutions
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.00,0:17:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of our government
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.00,0:17:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be open by default,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.50,0:17:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and closed only by necessity.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.00,0:17:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are the opposite today.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.00,0:17:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we have to have an understanding
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.50,0:17:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what it means to be private and to be public.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.00,0:17:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wrote a whole book on that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.50,0:17:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I won't bore you with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.50,0:17:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we have to respond
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.00,0:17:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the notion of net neutrality by saying that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.00,0:17:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all bits are created equal,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.50,0:17:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that when anyone restricts a bit
Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.50,0:17:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for any reason, whether that it was a telco
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.50,0:17:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to restrict how you watch a movie,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.00,0:17:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether that it is China restricting you
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.00,0:17:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to search for Falun Gong,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.50,0:17:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or is that Egypt cutting off the internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.50,0:17:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever the flow of the internet that is restricted,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.50,0:17:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole internet is restricted.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.50,0:17:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so finally we have to hold up
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.00,0:17:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the structure of the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.00,0:17:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be open and distributed
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.00,0:17:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that is its only defense.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.00,0:18:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I would argue... I would say that...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.00,0:18:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they convened you've gone today.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.00,0:18:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very important and should continue
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.50,0:18:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we need to talk about these issues
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.50,0:18:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the table of the internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.00,0:18:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not at this table here,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.00,0:18:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or not only at this table here.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.00,0:18:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before we go to questions I have
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.50,0:18:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comments myself on this whole « eG8 » thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.00,0:18:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for restating.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.00,0:18:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that beyond the right to connect,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.50,0:18:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's existing fundamental rights
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.50,0:18:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are being used through the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.50,0:18:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is maybe no need to define
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.50,0:18:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new freedoms because it's the existing
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.50,0:18:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,freedoms that are being attacked today.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.00,0:18:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this eG8 forum,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.50,0:18:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beyond the local political whitewash
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.00,0:18:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Nicolas Sarkozy, after 4 years of pushing
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.00,0:18:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for disconnecting French citizens
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.50,0:18:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the HADOPI law,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.00,0:18:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,censorship of web content with the LOPPSI,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.00,0:18:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pushing of his notion of a « civilized internet »,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.50,0:18:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he pushed up to the organization of this event.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.00,0:19:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beyond that local political whitewash,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.50,0:19:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this eG8 forum is to me a smokescreen
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.00,0:19:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to what the governments are really
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.50,0:19:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing towards the Internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.50,0:19:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the last twelve months,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.50,0:19:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we witnessed an increase in the rate of
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.00,0:19:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,repressive measures attacking the Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.00,0:19:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attacking our fundamental freedoms.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.50,0:19:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm thinking of the US government reaction
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.00,0:19:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Wikileaks, the US government seizure
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.50,0:19:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of domain names,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.00,0:19:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the COICA PROTECT-IP act,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.00,0:19:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the conclusion of the ACTA
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.00,0:19:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement)
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.50,0:19:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will turn internet actors into
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.00,0:19:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,private copyright police
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.00,0:19:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the blackout of Internet in Egypt of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.50,0:19:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the administrative censorship of websites
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.00,0:19:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in France, and other countries of Europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.50,0:19:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everywhere you look,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.00,0:19:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,governments are trying
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.00,0:19:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to gain control of the Internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.50,0:19:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what we are being sold here
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.50,0:19:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the red carpet to those, Orange,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.00,0:19:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vivendi, Alcatel-Lucent and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.00,0:19:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you look a little bit closer,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.50,0:20:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those very companies
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.50,0:20:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are more and more basing their business models
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.50,0:20:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the restriction of fundamental freedoms.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.50,0:20:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Orange by selling this non-neutral
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.00,0:20:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so-called « mobile Internet access »,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.00,0:20:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vivendi by pushing for the tougher
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.00,0:20:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,copyright vision, 19th century vision
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.50,0:20:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you try to forbid copies at all costs
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.00,0:20:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if it implies to ban freedom to read,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.50,0:20:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,share and access culture;
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.00,0:20:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alcatel-Lucent and Huawei are manufacturing
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.50,0:20:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the devices that are being used
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.00,0:20:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in authoritarian regimes to censor the Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.00,0:20:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and by telecoms operators
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.00,0:20:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who harm our freedom of communication
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.50,0:20:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by harming net neutrality
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.00,0:20:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we, the citizens,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.00,0:20:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would expect from the governments
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.50,0:20:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they protect us from those corporations,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.00,0:20:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they regulate the behaviours,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.50,0:20:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether they're anti-competitive
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.50,0:20:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or against our fundamental freedoms
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.00,0:20:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the corporations, but instead of that,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.00,0:20:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we see here is the glitter and a red carpet.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.00,0:20:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now if you have questions,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.00,0:21:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see Jean-François has to leave,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.50,0:21:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but maybe if you're late to
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.50,0:21:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that thing it will be all right.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.00,0:21:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,5 minutes or something?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.50,0:21:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, they're French, they will be late already.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.50,0:21:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, of course but it will be another audience,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.00,0:21:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to tell the same, so I want to use
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.50,0:21:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this opportunity as well
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.00,0:21:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to raise this issue in a more official format as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.50,0:21:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have maybe three or four minutes,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.00,0:21:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if then one has questions directed to Jean-François,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.50,0:21:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe first the questions directed to Jean-François ?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:23.50,0:21:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or general questions ?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.00,0:21:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok, no questions so I'm free. Merci.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.00,0:21:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,General questions ?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.00,0:21:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One here, one here and one here.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.50,0:21:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, please, maybe you'd like
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.50,0:21:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to speak in a microphone ?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.00,0:21:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want to come here,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.00,0:21:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, one quick question,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.00,0:21:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Eric Scherer at France Télévisions.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.00,0:21:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you reconcile
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.50,0:21:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you are saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.00,0:21:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about open Internet and freedom of expression
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.00,0:21:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the need to educate governments,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.00,0:21:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,members of Parliament
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.50,0:21:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the rest of the society
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.50,0:21:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what you are just saying?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.50,0:22:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a big need of Internet literacy
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.00,0:22:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the governments
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.50,0:22:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to the members of Parliament.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.00,0:22:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are totally illiterate about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.50,0:22:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you reconcile that?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.00,0:22:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shall I take this one?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.50,0:22:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, that's what we are trying to do
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.50,0:22:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with « La Quadrature du Net »
Dialogue: 0,0:22:14.00,0:22:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for more than 3 years now. And we are building,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.50,0:22:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thanks to an open internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.00,0:22:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a toolbox for citizens first of all
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.50,0:22:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to understand what's going on,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.00,0:22:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then to participate in the public debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.50,0:22:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we, La Quadrature du Net,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.00,0:22:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are nothing but the sum
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.00,0:22:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all supporters caring about those issues
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.00,0:22:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pushing for those issues,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.50,0:22:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the parliament, to the elected representatives
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.00,0:22:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to all layers of civil society.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.00,0:22:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we have all the tools,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.00,0:22:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here on the table to do it,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.50,0:22:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's just a matter of working towards it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.00,0:22:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Larry ?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.00,0:22:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. I think that the net
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.50,0:22:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been pretty good at educating itself
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.00,0:22:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the values of this network.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.00,0:22:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't speak for France or for Europe,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:59.00,0:23:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think in the United States,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.50,0:23:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we see in civil society communities
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.50,0:23:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are engaged in trying to spread
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.50,0:23:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and defend what Internet is about.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.50,0:23:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problem that I see in the United States is,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.00,0:23:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and again, I speak only of the United States:
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.50,0:23:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our government is so deeply corrupted
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.50,0:23:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the dynamic that I'm talking about,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.50,0:23:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is a wide gap between
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.50,0:23:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the educators, the parents, the students,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.00,0:23:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody understands
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.00,0:23:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the future policy should be,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.50,0:23:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what our government actually hears.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.00,0:23:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I have shifted a bunch of my work
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.00,0:23:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,towards addressing that issue of
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.50,0:23:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that corruption in the United States,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.00,0:23:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don't think we get
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.50,0:23:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anything until we solve that.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.50,0:23:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think that we have
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.00,0:23:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually seen massive progress on this issue
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.50,0:23:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the past decade, and I'm encouraged by that,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.00,0:23:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least in the context of what people think.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.00,0:23:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was one question somewhere... over here ?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.50,0:23:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok. Jean-Jacques ?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.00,0:24:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you want to come to the microphone or shout ?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.00,0:24:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can shout, if you can hear me.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.00,0:24:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jean-Jacques, I work for European Internet Company
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.00,0:24:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm also Council member
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.50,0:24:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Internet Society, ISOC.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.00,0:24:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rather than questions, just to make a point,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.50,0:24:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is not actually just another
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.50,0:24:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these ideas which are shared by civil society,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.00,0:24:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of these ideas are also shared by
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.00,0:24:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies and actually the vast majority
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.50,0:24:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Internet companies out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:21.00,0:24:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just yesterday, ISOC issued
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.50,0:24:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a press statement which also
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.00,0:24:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called for all stakeholders to be involved
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.00,0:24:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this discussion around the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.00,0:24:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and internet policy making.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.50,0:24:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Without all stakeholders being involved
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.50,0:24:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have no point of having a discussion;
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.50,0:24:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they also called for governments
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.50,0:24:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to uphold and protect the open
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.50,0:24:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and decentralised nature of the Internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.00,0:24:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is fundamental for all of us
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.00,0:24:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this ecosystem. It needs to happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.00,0:24:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not just about civil society.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:48.00,0:24:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is about users, civil society,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.50,0:24:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technical communities and companies
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.00,0:24:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and governments sitting around the table
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.00,0:24:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discussing the issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.50,0:24:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you -- I actually want to take that up
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.00,0:25:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and emphasize it.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:00.00,0:25:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a long tradition
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.00,0:25:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of thinking there is an opposition
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.00,0:25:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between efficiency or competition
Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.00,0:25:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or markets, and justice and society,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.50,0:25:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that somehow we have to trade off
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.50,0:25:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between two competing goals
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.00,0:25:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that aid society: growth and welfare,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.00,0:25:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and justice and redistribution.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.50,0:25:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in fact, what has happened with the Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.00,0:25:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that growth and innovation is exactly
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.00,0:25:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what democracy and justice require.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.50,0:25:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both of them need the means of production
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.50,0:25:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distributed widely in the population,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.00,0:25:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that anyone can speak, anyone can create,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.50,0:25:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyone can create their own innovation,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.50,0:25:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyone can create their own business.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.50,0:25:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This age old traditional divide is a divide
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.00,0:25:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the industrial economy.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.00,0:25:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have been able to overcome that divide
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.00,0:25:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and today it's between
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.00,0:25:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,20th century business models,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.00,0:25:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and both innovation and growth
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.50,0:26:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and civil society, democracy and justice
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.50,0:26:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the other opposing side.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.00,0:26:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that battle between on one hand innovation,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.50,0:26:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,growth, democracy and justice
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.00,0:26:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and preserving revenue streams
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.00,0:26:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of incumbent industries,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.00,0:26:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is not a closed choice.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.00,0:26:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a question here ?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.00,0:26:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, I guess this question is really
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.00,0:26:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Professor Lessig.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.00,0:26:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very basically, why is this so hard?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.00,0:26:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know the car came along,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.00,0:26:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have parking tickets,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.50,0:26:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can lose your license,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.50,0:26:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are charges for homicide.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.00,0:26:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a wide range of penalties
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.00,0:26:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for all violation shit.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.00,0:26:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Copyright law, as you rightly pointed out
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.00,0:26:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the debate yesterday was
Dialogue: 0,0:26:40.50,0:26:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the exact same one as it was in 1999.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.00,0:26:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the Internet is not new,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.50,0:26:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,copyright is not new
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.00,0:26:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I know there are obviously different
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.00,0:26:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulatory legal things around this,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.00,0:26:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but why have we seemingly made
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.00,0:26:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no progress on coming up with
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.00,0:27:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a very basic framework that has penalties
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.50,0:27:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that fit all the different shades of violation?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.00,0:27:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's actually different depending on the country.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.50,0:27:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am struck by the debate
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.00,0:27:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in France around copyright.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.50,0:27:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was at conference at Avignon two years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.00,0:27:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I felt like it was 1995 all over again.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.00,0:27:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because as if nothing had been
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.00,0:27:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ever talked about this issues,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.00,0:27:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was the exact same framework
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.00,0:27:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we were fighting back then.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.50,0:27:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But other countries in Europe are different.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.50,0:27:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think Germany, for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.00,0:27:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the green party has been pushing
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.00,0:27:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what they call a « cultural flat rate »
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.00,0:27:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would be an alternative way
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.00,0:27:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to raise money for artists,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.00,0:27:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would decriminalize much of the activity
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.50,0:27:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which in France people would be kicked off the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.00,0:27:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this point was made.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.00,0:27:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to re-emphasize,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:47.50,0:27:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is something really outrageous,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:50.50,0:27:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this point was made on my panel,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.50,0:27:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the French entrepreneurs.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.50,0:27:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is something really outrageous
Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.50,0:28:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the idea that the penalty
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.00,0:28:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has been discussed in France
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.50,0:28:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the idea that you disconnect yourself
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.00,0:28:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.50,0:28:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only somebody seventy years old would think
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.50,0:28:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- people don’t touch the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.50,0:28:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at seventy years old -
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.50,0:28:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would think that's proportionate.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.50,0:28:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea that you will disconnect yourself
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.50,0:28:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the most important infrastructure
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.00,0:28:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for community, and commerce,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:19.00,0:28:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and political activity is outrageous
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.00,0:28:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yet that is discussed here.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.00,0:28:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in other countries, the Nordic countries
Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.00,0:28:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in Germany it is a much more open debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.00,0:28:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In United States again,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.00,0:28:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it is just hide out
Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.00,0:28:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by this political framework
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.00,0:28:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where both Democrats and Republicans
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.50,0:28:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are so deeply wedded to the content industry
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.00,0:28:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you can’t even have an open debate
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.00,0:28:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about this issue among politicians.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.50,0:28:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is just not a political issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.00,0:28:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that we need to take advantage
Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.50,0:28:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of places where it is a political issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:51.50,0:28:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Brazil has been extremely important
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.00,0:28:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting people to recognize why
Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.50,0:28:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is an interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.00,0:29:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opportunity here for development.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.00,0:29:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we need to push in those places
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.00,0:29:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to move it along.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.50,0:29:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But finally, what has been amazing
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.50,0:29:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to me has been WIPO.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.00,0:29:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was at WIPO about six years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.50,0:29:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I walked in the bulding I was the devil
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.00,0:29:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the director general wouln't talk to me
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.00,0:29:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everybody said no word.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.50,0:29:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was just there six months ago
Dialogue: 0,0:29:18.50,0:29:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Director General is extraordinarily
Dialogue: 0,0:29:21.50,0:29:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,innovative in his ways of thinking about
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.00,0:29:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way copyright has got to evolve.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.50,0:29:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he's thinking exactly about
Dialogue: 0,0:29:27.50,0:29:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the kind of framework
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.50,0:29:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for thinking about what
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.50,0:29:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a future regime should look like,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:32.00,0:29:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I got to address the delegates,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.00,0:29:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the delegates were encouraging
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.50,0:29:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thinking about these issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.00,0:29:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a completely different place.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.00,0:29:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think we have to take an advantage of that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.00,0:29:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to some point show countries like
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.00,0:29:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the United States and France that 1995
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.50,0:29:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinking is so twentieth century.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.00,0:29:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I may add something on that, though?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.50,0:29:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very difficult to add something
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.00,0:29:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on professor Lessig.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.00,0:29:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those companies with business models
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.50,0:29:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the XXth century
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.00,0:30:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were based on controlling the channels
Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.00,0:30:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of distribution of copies
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.50,0:30:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still have hope in managing to attain
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.00,0:30:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same objective with the Internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:09.00,0:30:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is still a chance with the ongoing mergers
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.00,0:30:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between those medias group and telcos,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.00,0:30:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the very strong influence
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.00,0:30:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have on policy makers.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.50,0:30:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They still have a chance to turn the Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.00,0:30:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the universal Internet we love and share
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.50,0:30:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a globalized distribution channel
Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.00,0:30:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Vivendi, Fox and those guys.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.50,0:30:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we're really at a turning point here:
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.00,0:30:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why they are continuing like it's 1999,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.00,0:30:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's because they probably still have a chance,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:39.00,0:30:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe they have a greater chance
Dialogue: 0,0:30:41.00,0:30:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than they had in 1999 to achieve this objective
Dialogue: 0,0:30:46.00,0:30:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sure there are tons of other questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:51.00,0:30:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Andrew Rasiej, the Personal Democracy Forum
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.00,0:30:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just want to make a point,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.50,0:30:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're welcome to comment on it,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.00,0:30:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the arguments will be made now
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.00,0:31:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the government officials and by
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.50,0:31:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the incumbents that the digital divide
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.00,0:31:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been bridged because
Dialogue: 0,0:31:04.00,0:31:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadband distribution is available
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.50,0:31:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in many places where it wasn't before.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.50,0:31:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they are not actually focussing
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.50,0:31:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the fact there is a new digital divide
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.00,0:31:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that most working class people
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.00,0:31:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can’t afford the broadband that is available,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:15.50,0:31:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so we need a reframing
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.00,0:31:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the term « digital divide » specifically around
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.50,0:31:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this subject which is that cost has reached
Dialogue: 0,0:31:22.50,0:31:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beyond the point of most people
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.00,0:31:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to participate
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.50,0:31:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the 21th century economy.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.50,0:31:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to be careful that they don’t argue
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.50,0:31:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against these points that you are making
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.50,0:31:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,today to say that we bridge the digital divide
Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.50,0:31:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore obscure what is really going on.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:38.00,0:31:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, just to add onto that:
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.00,0:31:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make things very simple,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.50,0:31:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are in a moment when government
Dialogue: 0,0:31:44.50,0:31:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can join hands with the content industry
Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.00,0:31:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with the telcos to enforce scarcity,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.00,0:31:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,content controls, and lots of their desired goals,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.00,0:31:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a sense this is feeding a revenue model
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.00,0:31:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of governments and Hollywood
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.00,0:32:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to constrain Internet access,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.50,0:32:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make it much more like a 20th century
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.00,0:32:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadcast medium and our older policy makers
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.00,0:32:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see the Internet as nothing more
Dialogue: 0,0:32:09.00,0:32:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than a one-way screen.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.50,0:32:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The rest of the world understands
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.00,0:32:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the world has been turned upside down,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.00,0:32:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anybody can be a publisher,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.50,0:32:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anybody should get access to this platform
Dialogue: 0,0:32:20.00,0:32:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for democracy, for speech,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.50,0:32:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for content creation, for human flourishing.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.00,0:32:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we are witnessing today
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.00,0:32:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the joining of hands of these giants incumbents
Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.00,0:32:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- and government is one of the incumbents --
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.00,0:32:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to keep things as they were.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:33.50,0:32:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And many voices are being left
Dialogue: 0,0:32:36.00,0:32:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of that conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.50,0:32:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who could add significantly.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.50,0:32:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a purpose of this meeting here today
Dialogue: 0,0:32:43.00,0:32:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with all of you is to make sure that no one
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.00,0:32:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,walks away thinking that there is consensus.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.00,0:32:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no consensus on enforcing scarcity,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:52.00,0:32:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,higher prices and constrain access
Dialogue: 0,0:32:56.00,0:32:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for world citizens.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.50,0:33:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next Google could come from France,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.00,0:33:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could come from France,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.00,0:33:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should come from France
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.50,0:33:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if Internet access is constrained
Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.00,0:33:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and controlled, it won't.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:09.00,0:33:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this also provides an opportunity
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.00,0:33:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to talk about something that we
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.50,0:33:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- who come here from the US -
Dialogue: 0,0:33:17.00,0:33:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can learn very well from France
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.00,0:33:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and perhaps that France can learn
Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.00,0:33:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from itself and its own experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.00,0:33:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a study I did for the FCC last year,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.50,0:33:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it became very clear
Dialogue: 0,0:33:28.50,0:33:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that US broadband penetration,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.00,0:33:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadband prices, broadband speeds,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:35.50,0:33:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,relative to its performance in 2000-2001
Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.00,0:33:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had declined from 2002 until 2009
Dialogue: 0,0:33:44.50,0:33:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by comparison to European countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.00,0:33:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In doing a very close case study
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.00,0:33:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of half the OECD countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:52.00,0:33:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what became very clear
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.50,0:33:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was that on all these questions
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.00,0:34:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of penetration, speed and price,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.00,0:34:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the critical intervention
Dialogue: 0,0:34:02.00,0:34:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that European governments undertook,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.00,0:34:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in particular in this case
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.50,0:34:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very successfully the French government
Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.00,0:34:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has in France some of the lowest prices
Dialogue: 0,0:34:12.00,0:34:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the highest performance in the OECD
Dialogue: 0,0:34:15.00,0:34:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of this, is to force monopolists
Dialogue: 0,0:34:19.50,0:34:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to introduce competition.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.00,0:34:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what we have to learn
Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.50,0:34:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that we take this simple principle,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.50,0:34:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean understand whatever it is,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.00,0:34:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is a core platform
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.50,0:34:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can't be worked around,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.00,0:34:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the things that government can do
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.00,0:34:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to make sure that there is competition
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.00,0:34:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a way of reaching this goal
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.00,0:34:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of not having people priced out
Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.00,0:34:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though in theory there is a connection.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.00,0:34:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is absolutely critical that we commit
Dialogue: 0,0:34:49.50,0:34:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the US to open access
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.00,0:34:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the broadband physical layer,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:55.00,0:34:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is absolutely critical that we commit
Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.50,0:35:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to open access higher up when
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.00,0:35:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we talk about mobile wireless,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:02.00,0:35:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we need to go to each country
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.50,0:35:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and learn what it has done well
Dialogue: 0,0:35:05.00,0:35:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in its processes that have worked
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.00,0:35:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and translate that both to other countries
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.50,0:35:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to other regulatory problems.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.00,0:35:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are looking for some more digital divides,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.00,0:35:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can think of one.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:20.50,0:35:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wouldn't there be a digital divide
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.00,0:35:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between people being connected to universal,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:27.50,0:35:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unrestricted Internet access
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.50,0:35:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the people connected
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.00,0:35:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to some kind of restricted, blocked,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.50,0:35:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throttled, prioritised network
Dialogue: 0,0:35:38.50,0:35:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that isn't related to the Internet?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:40.00,0:35:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we look at this divide,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.00,0:35:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe there are already more people
Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.50,0:35:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you take into account China
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.00,0:35:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and mobile Internet users,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.50,0:35:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there may be more people
Dialogue: 0,0:35:50.00,0:35:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the wrong side of that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.00,0:35:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digital divide as of today.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.00,0:35:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sure there are plenty of other questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:00.00,0:36:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alex Howard, O'Reilly Media.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:02.00,0:36:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To what extent can people make a difference?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:05.50,0:36:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've heard this communique has been leaked.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:08.00,0:36:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What can and should civil society
Dialogue: 0,0:36:11.00,0:36:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and average citizens do
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.50,0:36:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to actually make a difference
Dialogue: 0,0:36:15.00,0:36:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to governments who are coming
Dialogue: 0,0:36:16.50,0:36:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together tomorrow?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.00,0:36:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As for tomorrow, we put up
Dialogue: 0,0:36:22.00,0:36:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- it's more of a joyful protest
Dialogue: 0,0:36:27.00,0:36:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than something that may have an effect --
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.00,0:36:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we launched a website called
Dialogue: 0,0:36:32.00,0:36:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,g8internet.com on which we put a manifesto
Dialogue: 0,0:36:36.00,0:36:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and called people to react by creative resistance.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:40.00,0:36:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there are dozens of works
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.00,0:36:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are being submitted, some very funny videos
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.00,0:36:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or images, some trolls and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.00,0:36:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But beyond that, I think it's about using
Dialogue: 0,0:36:51.00,0:36:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that freedom of expression
Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.00,0:36:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and freedom of communication
Dialogue: 0,0:36:55.00,0:36:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we have between our hands
Dialogue: 0,0:36:57.00,0:36:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in an unprecedented way,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:59.00,0:37:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use it to make governments accountable,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.00,0:37:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use it to make our elected
Dialogue: 0,0:37:03.00,0:37:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,representatives accountable,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.00,0:37:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's one key point
Dialogue: 0,0:37:07.50,0:37:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the way we campaign
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.00,0:37:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at La Quadrature du Net,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.50,0:37:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to try to increase the political cost
Dialogue: 0,0:37:15.00,0:37:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of taking the bad decision for policy makers.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:18.50,0:37:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what we can do with our
Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.50,0:37:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,added freedom of expression.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:23.00,0:37:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just wanted to add to that
Dialogue: 0,0:37:25.00,0:37:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and emphasise a point that Susan has made.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:26.50,0:37:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that the biggest thing
Dialogue: 0,0:37:28.00,0:37:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can do is to negate the framing
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.00,0:37:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this conference as « everyone agrees here's
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.50,0:37:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the future of the Internet needs ».
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.00,0:37:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we negate that by first pointing out
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.50,0:37:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that « the Internet was not here »
Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.50,0:37:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one slice of the Internet was here,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:45.50,0:37:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies that can afford
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.00,0:37:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hundred thousand euros
Dialogue: 0,0:37:48.50,0:37:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sponsorship cost and whatever else.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.00,0:37:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were here, that's fine,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:52.50,0:37:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but another huge part of the Internet is not here
Dialogue: 0,0:37:55.00,0:37:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and especially the innovating companies
Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.50,0:38:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that five years from now
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.50,0:38:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will think of this equivalent of Twitter,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.00,0:38:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were not here and so
Dialogue: 0,0:38:03.50,0:38:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« everybody was not here », number one;
Dialogue: 0,0:38:06.00,0:38:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and number two « we all don't agree
Dialogue: 0,0:38:08.50,0:38:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the basic principles of what
Dialogue: 0,0:38:10.50,0:38:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should be doing going forward »,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.00,0:38:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I encourage the G8 to think about
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.50,0:38:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to open up a conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:38:19.00,0:38:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what the Internet should look like.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.00,0:38:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think Sarkozy's decision this year
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.00,0:38:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to do that was a good one
Dialogue: 0,0:38:25.50,0:38:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the question is :
Dialogue: 0,0:38:26.50,0:38:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« how do you do it so it really is the Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.50,0:38:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're talking about
Dialogue: 0,0:38:30.00,0:38:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and involve enough of the Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:38:32.50,0:38:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they we can begin a conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:38:34.50,0:38:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,towards that policy that would make sense ? »
Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.00,0:38:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Larry, if I may, you've just said that
Dialogue: 0,0:38:40.00,0:38:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you thought that it was a good idea
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.00,0:38:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Sarkozy launched this discussion
Dialogue: 0,0:38:44.00,0:38:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between governments.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.50,0:38:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't you see this also maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:38:47.50,0:38:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as some kind of takeover of Internet governance
Dialogue: 0,0:38:50.00,0:38:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by government to some extent?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:52.50,0:38:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, if the idea entails,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:55.50,0:38:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think as Jeff was putting it,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:58.00,0:38:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the idea that we should be
Dialogue: 0,0:38:59.50,0:39:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking over the Internet in some way, yes,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.00,0:39:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think that's a good idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.50,0:39:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think that it is necessary
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.50,0:39:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we figure out how we preserve
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.50,0:39:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this ecology of the Internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.00,0:39:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like what do we do to make sure that it survives,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.50,0:39:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we need that conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:39:13.50,0:39:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to include more people who say
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.00,0:39:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« keep your hands off of this part;
Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.50,0:39:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intervene here, like Yochai was just saying
Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.50,0:39:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ensure competition in access
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.00,0:39:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the physical layer ».
Dialogue: 0,0:39:24.50,0:39:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a conversation that's complicated
Dialogue: 0,0:39:26.50,0:39:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and important to have.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.50,0:39:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that we need to have that,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:30.50,0:39:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think just right that we should have been
Dialogue: 0,0:39:33.00,0:39:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facilitating that more on our own.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:35.00,0:39:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't quite have the resources
Dialogue: 0,0:39:36.50,0:39:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that France has perhaps
Dialogue: 0,0:39:38.00,0:39:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to launch that conversation, but if we did,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.50,0:39:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd be happy to have that conversation certainly.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:44.00,0:39:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, there's a choice between governments
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.00,0:39:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only talking about this which is what the eG8 is
Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.00,0:39:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a multi-stakeholders approach
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.00,0:39:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which would involve civil society,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:54.00,0:39:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the Internet users and the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:39:56.50,0:39:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Internet is for everyone
Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.00,0:40:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not just for the large incumbents.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:04.00,0:40:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'm... I'm still scared.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.50,0:40:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want you to help me.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.50,0:40:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's the right question:
Dialogue: 0,0:40:11.00,0:40:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« What the fuck do we do? »
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.00,0:40:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right? We can talk here,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:15.00,0:40:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can change the framing.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.00,0:40:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But governments have the force of law
Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.00,0:40:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and companies have the force of the kill switch.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.50,0:40:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I'm not sure what it is that we,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.50,0:40:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the people of the Internet, really do.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.00,0:40:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the force that we are...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:33.50,0:40:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a faux professor in journalism
Dialogue: 0,0:40:38.00,0:40:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's ballsy of me to quote Habermas.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:41.50,0:40:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the counter to the weight
Dialogue: 0,0:40:47.50,0:40:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of government that he sought in the salons
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.50,0:40:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and coffee houses, that I think is questionable,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.50,0:40:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we do have now, as a counterweight
Dialogue: 0,0:40:54.50,0:40:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to government and a counterweight
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.00,0:40:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because Sarkozy said yesterday
Dialogue: 0,0:40:57.50,0:40:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that government is the only appropriate
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.50,0:41:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spokesman for the people of a nation.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.00,0:41:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God forbid no!
Dialogue: 0,0:41:02.50,0:41:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tell that to Wael Ghonim in Egypt.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.50,0:41:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The internet became the means
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.50,0:41:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the true voice of Egypt to come out.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.00,0:41:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I really ought to say
Dialogue: 0,0:41:13.00,0:41:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t know what to do,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:15.50,0:41:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is there anything else we should be pointing out ?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:19.00,0:41:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here is one point:
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.00,0:41:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, we can romanticize the Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:41:24.00,0:41:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have spent many many years as a cheerleader
Dialogue: 0,0:41:26.50,0:41:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the fact is, what the Internet does,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.50,0:41:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what people on the Internet do,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.50,0:41:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is more effective in some places than others
Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.50,0:41:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I don't know if you saw
Dialogue: 0,0:41:37.00,0:41:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the big bank bonuses were
Dialogue: 0,0:41:38.50,0:41:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recently announced and Goldman Sachs
Dialogue: 0,0:41:41.00,0:41:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- huge bank bonuses.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:42.50,0:41:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the United States there was
Dialogue: 0,0:41:44.00,0:41:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some frustration about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.50,0:41:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Holland there was a twitter campain against,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.00,0:41:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that led to the governement
Dialogue: 0,0:41:51.00,0:41:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blocking bankers in Holland
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.00,0:41:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from taking those bonuses,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.50,0:41:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a kind of unimaginable effectiveness
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.00,0:42:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Internet to goverment policy
Dialogue: 0,0:42:00.50,0:42:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by getting involved in having
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.00,0:42:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a government listen.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:03.50,0:42:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:04.50,0:42:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compare that to the United States
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.00,0:42:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we just lost a battle in North Carolina,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.00,0:42:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where after the telecom companies
Dialogue: 0,0:42:10.00,0:42:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had succeeded into getting
Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.50,0:42:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the federal government to say
Dialogue: 0,0:42:13.00,0:42:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« No regulation of telecom companies,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.00,0:42:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not having any of your open access regulation
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.00,0:42:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Yochaim has been arguing for,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:18.50,0:42:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not even having any effective
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.00,0:42:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,network neutrality regulation.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.50,0:42:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They then went to the states,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:23.00,0:42:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because in the states,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:25.00,0:42:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have local communities
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.00,0:42:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are building their own high-speed networks
Dialogue: 0,0:42:29.00,0:42:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much faster, much cheaper
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.00,0:42:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than what the telecom monopolies provide.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.50,0:42:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the telecom monopolies didn’t like that,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.00,0:42:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so what they did is they got the states
Dialogue: 0,0:42:38.00,0:42:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to pass laws banning
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.50,0:42:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this local telecom franchises.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:43.50,0:42:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here they do not want any regulation
Dialogue: 0,0:42:46.00,0:42:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the federal government
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.50,0:42:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they want state regulation
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.50,0:42:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to block some competition from local...
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.50,0:42:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we try to raise a campaign
Dialogue: 0,0:42:52.50,0:42:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around this and though we get thousands
Dialogue: 0,0:42:55.00,0:42:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people calling the governor,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.00,0:42:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the governor doesn't think she needs
Dialogue: 0,0:42:58.50,0:43:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to pay any attention to
Dialogue: 0,0:43:00.00,0:43:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet community at all
Dialogue: 0,0:43:02.00,0:43:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the difference here is not so much
Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.50,0:43:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet: the internet is the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:06.00,0:43:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The difference is the political culture
Dialogue: 0,0:43:08.00,0:43:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that feels that it needs to pay attention to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:10.00,0:43:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the only way to force a political culture
Dialogue: 0,0:43:12.50,0:43:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to pay attention to you
Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.00,0:43:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to punish them when they don't.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:16.50,0:43:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in France, this three-strikes fact (Hadopi Law)
Dialogue: 0,0:43:20.00,0:43:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be a source of extraordinary political
Dialogue: 0,0:43:23.00,0:43:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organization to punish
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.00,0:43:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the French government and obviously...
Dialogue: 0,0:43:26.50,0:43:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is, it is
Dialogue: 0,0:43:27.50,0:43:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...it is of course. It is!...
Dialogue: 0,0:43:29.00,0:43:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the point is when that gets delivered
Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.50,0:43:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that had a message,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:32.00,0:43:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you go from a 5% return to a 20% return
Dialogue: 0,0:43:35.50,0:43:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you're going to see
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.50,0:43:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people recognize the internet is a force.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.00,0:43:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we need to do that everywhere,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:41.50,0:43:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is not something we can take for granted,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:43.00,0:43:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is really something that's a culture
Dialogue: 0,0:43:44.50,0:43:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that needs to be built.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:46.00,0:43:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what I hear you saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.00,0:43:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to oversimplify as is my want:
Dialogue: 0,0:43:49.50,0:43:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're not protecting the internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.50,0:43:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're protecting the speech, still.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:52.00,0:43:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, to simplify it even further,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.50,0:43:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when roles and office depend on
Dialogue: 0,0:43:56.50,0:43:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understanding what the internet is
Dialogue: 0,0:43:58.00,0:44:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and forwarding the internet's openess,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:01.00,0:44:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we'll get the result we need.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.00,0:44:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we can vote people in or out
Dialogue: 0,0:44:06.00,0:44:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on their reaction to the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.00,0:44:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we'll be going somewhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:10.00,0:44:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Governments only listen to
Dialogue: 0,0:44:11.50,0:44:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the people who elect them
Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.50,0:44:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the businesses that fund their campaigns.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:16.50,0:44:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right? So Larry is taking on the businesses
Dialogue: 0,0:44:19.50,0:44:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that fund their campaigns.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.00,0:44:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We, the internet people,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:23.50,0:44:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to take on their election.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:25.00,0:44:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This has to become, as it has become in Australia
Dialogue: 0,0:44:27.00,0:44:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in Canada, an issue
Dialogue: 0,0:44:30.00,0:44:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the electoral politics.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:33.00,0:44:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe we can ...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:34.00,0:44:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually, we are all replying
Dialogue: 0,0:44:36.00,0:44:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with our own words to the great question of Jeff.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.50,0:44:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe this will be used as a conclusion
Dialogue: 0,0:44:41.00,0:44:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, maybe there will be
Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.50,0:44:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some more questions but ...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:44.00,0:44:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There will be, there's one more question ...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:48.00,0:44:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In my view we have to continue
Dialogue: 0,0:44:52.00,0:44:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we are doing, doing it more
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.50,0:44:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and being more numerous to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:55.50,0:44:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got a few examples
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.00,0:44:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with our own campaigning
Dialogue: 0,0:44:58.00,0:45:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we really made a difference,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:00.00,0:45:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it is with the amendment 138
Dialogue: 0,0:45:02.00,0:45:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the European Parliament
Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.50,0:45:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that made everybody be shaking
Dialogue: 0,0:45:05.50,0:45:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with fear of « Internet's freedom issue »
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.00,0:45:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we moved the lines in the ACTA agreement,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:13.00,0:45:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we directly changed some of its contents
Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.50,0:45:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when we leaked that letter
Dialogue: 0,0:45:20.00,0:45:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Nicolas Sarkozy to Bernard Kouchner,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:21.50,0:45:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who was at the time minister of foreign affairs,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:24.00,0:45:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who was to organise a conference
Dialogue: 0,0:45:26.00,0:45:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about freedom of speech on the Internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:28.00,0:45:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarkozy telling him
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.00,0:45:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« in the balance of the freedom of speech
Dialogue: 0,0:45:31.00,0:45:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Internet, you'll put the HADOPI
Dialogue: 0,0:45:32.50,0:45:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you'll put the civilized Internet »,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.00,0:45:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just leaking that letter
Dialogue: 0,0:45:35.50,0:45:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and organizing the leak with our Dutch friends
Dialogue: 0,0:45:38.50,0:45:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Bits of Freedom made
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.00,0:45:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole conference to be cancelled.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:42.00,0:45:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have examples already
Dialogue: 0,0:45:44.00,0:45:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of civil society pressures getting to a result.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:47.00,0:45:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it is the way we use our
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.50,0:45:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,freedoms of speech or expression.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:57.00,0:45:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it is the way we use it collectively
Dialogue: 0,0:45:59.00,0:46:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that makes us be citizens,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.50,0:46:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that makes us do our jobs of citizens
Dialogue: 0,0:46:04.00,0:46:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that makes us participate to politics
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.00,0:46:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the noble antic sense of citizens carrying
Dialogue: 0,0:46:10.50,0:46:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the life of the « Cité » and this is exactly
Dialogue: 0,0:46:13.00,0:46:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we have to do between two elections
Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.00,0:46:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this how we win if you have
Dialogue: 0,0:46:18.50,0:46:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some volunteer time to contribute.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.00,0:46:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well said
Dialogue: 0,0:46:23.00,0:46:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just want to hear Yochai's answer
Dialogue: 0,0:46:26.50,0:46:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Jeff's question first if you don't mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:30.00,0:46:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to take more time.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:32.00,0:46:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just, the stories you heard
Dialogue: 0,0:46:35.00,0:46:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tell both that we know how
Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.00,0:46:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that it is very hard.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:38.50,0:46:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are success stories,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:40.50,0:46:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are failure stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:42.00,0:46:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But kinds of civil organisation
Dialogue: 0,0:46:44.00,0:46:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were extremely difficult
Dialogue: 0,0:46:46.00,0:46:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and happened only in great moments of crisis
Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.00,0:46:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when people came out in the streets
Dialogue: 0,0:46:51.00,0:46:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are now more feasible
Dialogue: 0,0:46:53.00,0:46:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at lower levels of activation.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:55.00,0:46:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether it's free software developers
Dialogue: 0,0:46:57.50,0:46:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organising against software patents
Dialogue: 0,0:46:59.50,0:47:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the European level,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:01.00,0:47:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's the story you just call
Dialogue: 0,0:47:04.00,0:47:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the conference on free speech,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:06.00,0:47:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the level of activation necessary
Dialogue: 0,0:47:08.00,0:47:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the effort necessary
Dialogue: 0,0:47:10.00,0:47:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to participate is lower,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:11.50,0:47:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allows us more direct participation
Dialogue: 0,0:47:14.00,0:47:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the stakes are very
Dialogue: 0,0:47:16.00,0:47:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very high on the other side.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:18.00,0:47:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at the net neutrality
Dialogue: 0,0:47:20.00,0:47:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,debates in the United States,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:21.50,0:47:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we did exactly that, we put it on the,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:24.00,0:47:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh you, put it on the agenda.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:26.00,0:47:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It became a real agenda item, the only thing -
Dialogue: 0,0:47:29.50,0:47:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,« We are unfortunatly not able
Dialogue: 0,0:47:31.00,0:47:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to provide you the last 3 minutes
Dialogue: 0,0:47:32.50,0:47:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Press conference.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:34.00,0:47:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See you on Owni.fr »