1 00:00:07,019 --> 00:00:10,060 After the break, welcome back to the discussion. 2 00:00:10,070 --> 00:00:14,626 Now all three of you, Pervez Hoodhboy, Shaukat Hameed Khan and Agha Waqar, are unanimous 3 00:00:14,626 --> 00:00:19,628 that hydrogen gas can be produced from water. 4 00:00:19,628 --> 00:00:22,222 - Yes it can happen. It's been known for very long. 5 00:00:22,222 --> 00:00:30,325 - Now you are saying that hydrogen gas can be produced from water, but the procedure is very expensive? 6 00:00:30,325 --> 00:00:33,062 - Very expensive. 7 00:00:33,062 --> 00:00:37,019 - Is this an expensive procedure or will you make it cheaper? 8 00:00:37,019 --> 00:00:40,992 - First of all, I will say to Mr. Hoodhboy who accuses me of not having studied science, 9 00:00:40,992 --> 00:00:45,000 that I will give two examples that he should study. I have brought them with me here. 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:53,818 The biggest scientist who introduced this "free of energy", that is Max Karl Planck. 11 00:00:53,818 --> 00:00:57,006 Okay? In 1900. - Free of? What did you say? 12 00:00:57,006 --> 00:01:01,654 - The forms of "free of energy" that he had said... 13 00:01:01,654 --> 00:01:14,965 In 1900, Max Karl Planck, in his famous black-body radiation experiment, he did the "quantum (?) revolution". 14 00:01:14,965 --> 00:01:19,926 The basic thesis of this, it's on the Internet, 15 00:01:19,926 --> 00:01:30,246 is that there are many hidden forces in this universe, which are called "resonance". 16 00:01:30,246 --> 00:01:33,988 With this resonance it is possible to give motion to hydrogen, 17 00:01:33,988 --> 00:01:39,318 and to all forces to which you want to give motion, it can be given using resonance. 18 00:01:39,318 --> 00:01:42,118 Here it is. Either Prof. Hoodhboy is a bigger scientist ... 19 00:01:42,118 --> 00:01:45,579 - Hang on. So in 1900... - He said it in 1900, then in 1901... 20 00:01:45,579 --> 00:01:49,512 - So over 100 years have passed. Why is it that no scientist has understood it before? 21 00:01:49,512 --> 00:01:59,946 - Why not? He wrote in it clearly, that there are very few scientists who have knowledge of this thing. 22 00:01:59,946 --> 00:02:07,661 And I'm giving you a link to America's Harvard University. Read it, study it. 23 00:02:07,661 --> 00:02:14,064 There is a clear energy that is cheap energy, "free energy". This is all given here. 24 00:02:14,064 --> 00:02:19,591 I advise the doctor (Prof. Hoodhboy) to read it. If he is near a computer, look it up on the Internet. 25 00:02:19,591 --> 00:02:23,259 He is saying it will be expensive. This will make energy cheap! 26 00:02:23,259 --> 00:02:29,918 And I give him the example that when we do electrolysis, we give it a DC current from the car. 27 00:02:29,918 --> 00:02:35,724 Along with the DC current, we apply resonance, which is a law. 28 00:02:35,724 --> 00:02:43,211 The law of resonance is that if you are taking 10 volts then you "step it up" and make it do the work of 100 volts. 29 00:02:43,211 --> 00:02:51,765 When 100 volts are applied to water, then it will break down like crazy. 30 00:02:51,765 --> 00:02:53,638 Listen to what I'm saying. Let me keep talking. 31 00:02:53,638 --> 00:03:00,969 This is not costly. The car from which we take 12 volts, our cathode and anode work as a capacitor in it. 32 00:03:00,969 --> 00:03:04,935 We pass resonance through it. Through resonance we step up the voltage. 33 00:03:04,935 --> 00:03:10,400 - I think, Dr Pervez Hoodhboy, the best way to go forward is that we should wait for his furnished water kit. 34 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,539 Once it arrives... - No, you should even assess it theoretically! 35 00:03:13,539 --> 00:03:21,735 - So we will fit it in your car and my car and test it. And we'll examine the fumes also. What do you think? 36 00:03:21,735 --> 00:03:26,951 - I am proving it to the doctor theoretically. 37 00:03:26,951 --> 00:03:31,011 - Mr. Hamid Mir, give me an opportunity. 38 00:03:31,011 --> 00:03:34,138 I am so extremely astounded after hearing these words. 39 00:03:34,138 --> 00:03:41,345 I have been teaching this subject for fourty years: thermodynamics and statistical mechanics, 40 00:03:41,345 --> 00:03:46,270 and I know very well what the meaning of 'free energy' is. 41 00:03:46,270 --> 00:03:54,393 This person who is sitting in front of you... I am astounded that such an exhibition of ignorance 42 00:03:54,393 --> 00:03:58,284 is taking place on a Pakistani TV station. 43 00:03:58,284 --> 00:04:02,193 It is utter nonsense -- utter nonsense. 44 00:04:02,193 --> 00:04:06,057 Let me say, each and every word of this person is wrong. 45 00:04:06,057 --> 00:04:12,802 And such a fraud is being played on Pakistan and Pakistan's government, 46 00:04:12,802 --> 00:04:19,725 and it gives me pain that even educated people are falling for this fraud. It is not possible that... 47 00:04:19,725 --> 00:04:26,284 - Was Max Karl Planck a fraud, who said that there is such a thing as free energy? 48 00:04:26,284 --> 00:04:29,190 Is the link I gave you from Harvard University a fraud? 49 00:04:29,190 --> 00:04:40,047 - Even children know that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen, 50 00:04:40,047 --> 00:04:46,618 but to break up the water you need energy. Where will that energy come from? It can't come from a battery. 51 00:04:46,618 --> 00:04:49,244 - I've been telling you where it comes from. - Where is it coming from? 52 00:04:49,244 --> 00:04:54,800 - It is coming from the battery. We're taking 12 volts from the battery. We're stepping up the battery ... 53 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,851 - If you are taking it from the battery then it will immediately become weak? 54 00:04:58,851 --> 00:05:03,141 - No it won't. If the car has an engine then the engine will recharge the battery.