After the break, welcome back to the discussion.
Now all three of you, Pervez Hoodhboy, Shaukat Hameed Khan and Agha Waqar, are unanimous
that hydrogen gas can be produced from water.
- Yes it can happen. It's been known for very long.
- Now you are saying that hydrogen gas can be produced from water, but the procedure is very expensive?
- Very expensive.
- Is this an expensive procedure or will you make it cheaper?
- First of all, I will say to Mr. Hoodhboy who accuses me of not having studied science,
that I will give two examples that he should study. I have brought them with me here.
The biggest scientist who introduced this "free of energy", that is Max Karl Planck.
Okay? In 1900. - Free of? What did you say?
- The forms of "free of energy" that he had said...
In 1900, Max Karl Planck, in his famous black-body radiation experiment, he did the "quantum (?) revolution".
The basic thesis of this, it's on the Internet,
is that there are many hidden forces in this universe, which are called "resonance".
With this resonance it is possible to give motion to hydrogen,
and to all forces to which you want to give motion, it can be given using resonance.
Here it is. Either Prof. Hoodhboy is a bigger scientist ...
- Hang on. So in 1900... - He said it in 1900, then in 1901...
- So over 100 years have passed. Why is it that no scientist has understood it before?
- Why not? He wrote in it clearly, that there are very few scientists who have knowledge of this thing.
And I'm giving you a link to America's Harvard University. Read it, study it.
There is a clear energy that is cheap energy, "free energy". This is all given here.
I advise the doctor (Prof. Hoodhboy) to read it. If he is near a computer, look it up on the Internet.
He is saying it will be expensive. This will make energy cheap!
And I give him the example that when we do electrolysis, we give it a DC current from the car.
Along with the DC current, we apply resonance, which is a law.
The law of resonance is that if you are taking 10 volts then you "step it up" and make it do the work of 100 volts.
When 100 volts are applied to water, then it will break down like crazy.
Listen to what I'm saying. Let me keep talking.
This is not costly. The car from which we take 12 volts, our cathode and anode work as a capacitor in it.
We pass resonance through it. Through resonance we step up the voltage.
- I think, Dr Pervez Hoodhboy, the best way to go forward is that we should wait for his furnished water kit.
Once it arrives... - No, you should even assess it theoretically!
- So we will fit it in your car and my car and test it. And we'll examine the fumes also. What do you think?
- I am proving it to the doctor theoretically.
- Mr. Hamid Mir, give me an opportunity.
I am so extremely astounded after hearing these words.
I have been teaching this subject for fourty years: thermodynamics and statistical mechanics,
and I know very well what the meaning of 'free energy' is.
This person who is sitting in front of you... I am astounded that such an exhibition of ignorance
is taking place on a Pakistani TV station.
It is utter nonsense -- utter nonsense.
Let me say, each and every word of this person is wrong.
And such a fraud is being played on Pakistan and Pakistan's government,
and it gives me pain that even educated people are falling for this fraud. It is not possible that...
- Was Max Karl Planck a fraud, who said that there is such a thing as free energy?
Is the link I gave you from Harvard University a fraud?
- Even children know that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen,
but to break up the water you need energy. Where will that energy come from? It can't come from a battery.
- I've been telling you where it comes from. - Where is it coming from?
- It is coming from the battery. We're taking 12 volts from the battery. We're stepping up the battery ...
- If you are taking it from the battery then it will immediately become weak?
- No it won't. If the car has an engine then the engine will recharge the battery.