"Occupy Brussels" Interviews, 20111015
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0:57 - 0:59Why are you here?
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0:59 - 1:04Just to express my discontent
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1:05 - 1:06and to be with the people
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1:06 - 1:08and to support the movement actually.
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1:08 - 1:12Because it's a great movement, there's a good power in there.
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1:12 - 1:14Partly to show my support
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1:14 - 1:17with this current global protest
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1:19 - 1:21a part from my own conviction that
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1:21 - 1:26it's time to wake up in Europe and over the whole world
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1:26 - 1:30and pausing over what has happened in our economy
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1:30 - 1:35with bank situations, in fact, the current crisis.
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1:35 - 1:40I'm here but I live in Leuven and I wanted to a have a moment
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1:40 - 1:44to manifest my indignation since Spain,
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1:44 - 1:46because I'm from Spain and I'm 'Indignada'
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1:47 - 1:52and I'm here to do exactly as I would have done in Spain, but here.
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1:53 - 1:56And why are you really indignant?
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1:56 - 2:00Because in Spain, politics are playing jokes with us,
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2:00 - 2:02with the people,
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2:02 - 2:07we need change, the economy, politics, everything.
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2:07 - 2:08We need change.
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2:08 - 2:12For me, I'm in this manifestation because it's part of a
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2:12 - 2:18global movement against speculation, finance, the crisis, especially
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2:18 - 2:20and the measure that have been taken 3 years ago,
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2:20 - 2:24and those that are responsible for this crisis.
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2:24 - 2:28We have to change.
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2:28 - 2:30That's why I'm here.
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2:30 - 2:32And why do you feel we need to change?
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2:33 - 2:37When I look around, I see a lot of problems
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2:37 - 2:39and that's why we need to change.
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2:39 - 2:44Because I'm a worker and fear for my future.
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2:44 - 2:47Like most people that are here.
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2:47 - 2:50You put your money on the bank,
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2:50 - 2:52you don't know what will happen with it,
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2:52 - 2:55You risk not having a pension tomorrow,
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2:55 - 2:57in short, this is not normal you see.
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2:57 - 3:03I believe we need to change the neo-liberal mentality of our country,
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3:04 - 3:07this democracy has gone bad and we want a more direct approach.
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3:07 - 3:10And this is what we want, we want change.
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3:10 - 3:15I'm here to protest against all that is going wrong
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3:16 - 3:18with the banks,
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3:18 - 3:23the political and financial system mixup,
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3:23 - 3:27I want to have this thoroughly checked.
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3:27 - 3:29But I want to do it in a positive way,
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3:29 - 3:33not only being 'anti' but having a positive outlook,
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3:33 - 3:35a positive alternative.
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3:35 - 3:39I am from Brussels and I am too part of a social movement called
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3:39 - 3:45'Attack', and we naturally share a part of the analysis,
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3:45 - 3:48like what the 'Indignada' have determined in Spain,
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3:48 - 3:51that we have a serious problem with this democracy,
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3:51 - 3:55even though we got through it with this democracy,
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3:55 - 3:59this is a message we firmly support.
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3:59 - 4:04At the same time, like most people are aware and have determined
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4:04 - 4:07for themselves, the serious financial crisis is related to the banks
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4:07 - 4:09and the capitalistic crisis.
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4:09 - 4:13And this manifestation is in line with our movement,
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4:13 - 4:16so this is why we are here.
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4:16 - 4:21To protest in principle, to protest for change.
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4:21 - 4:27We're not okay with how the European and state budgets
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4:27 - 4:29have been divided.
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4:29 - 4:31In all, to protest because we want change.
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4:31 - 4:36To protest against capitalism, the current economic system.
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4:36 - 4:39And the current crisis.
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4:39 - 4:41To support the revolution.
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4:41 - 4:45What are you currently mainly discontent about?
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4:45 - 4:50Actually, about how we've been promised,
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4:50 - 4:57we've been promised something which is not only about money.
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4:57 - 5:02But is is a unique idea and now that, like Greece,
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5:02 - 5:05this single interruption can collapse the whole thing,
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5:05 - 5:07and this can't be.
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5:08 - 5:09I don't like to be foolished with.
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5:09 - 5:15The way money is used, is one of the main reasons.
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5:15 - 5:18Is money the cause of the problem?
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5:18 - 5:22I don't know whether it is the money
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5:22 - 5:24or how the politicians use it,
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5:24 - 5:28maybe they don't use it in a good way, I don't know.
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5:28 - 5:31But the people need to come together
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5:31 - 5:36and think about new ideas on how to change these things.
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5:37 - 5:39It's not really the money,
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5:39 - 5:43it's mostly how the money is used.
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5:45 - 5:47The value of things,
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5:47 - 5:50we have to rethink the value of things we buy.
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5:50 - 5:52We have to rethink quite a lot of things.
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5:52 - 5:55And I think this is the time for really thinking about
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5:55 - 5:58the future, the type of money, the means of exchange
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5:58 - 6:01between people and merchandise.
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6:01 - 6:06But money, no, it's the people using it the wrong way.
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6:07 - 6:10For the well being of people who are important
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6:10 - 6:12it's profit.
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6:12 - 6:16On all levels, and certainly at the higher levels.
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6:16 - 6:19If you are a small saver, today,
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6:19 - 6:24you could as well do like your grandparents
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6:24 - 6:27and put your money in a sock or underneath your mattress.
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6:27 - 6:28You have nothing.
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6:28 - 6:32It is solely for the stock exchange, capitalism
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6:33 - 6:35and the grand fortunes.
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6:35 - 6:38The regular people have no rights,
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6:38 - 6:42just work and not even being able to age
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6:42 - 6:46in a dignified manner after having worked
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6:46 - 6:49so hard, I believe.
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6:49 - 6:52The corruption.
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6:52 - 6:55The lack of education and poverty.
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6:56 - 7:01The problem, which we face, is the "hidden hand",
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7:01 - 7:04the control of your economic life.
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7:04 - 7:07But also more and more your social life by the
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7:07 - 7:13monetary forces and thus the capitalistic system itself
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7:13 - 7:17that in order to transform it radically,
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7:17 - 7:22but behind all this, if we want a true democracy,
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7:22 - 7:24which is for me the most important,
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7:24 - 7:28because, for the moment we and the population
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7:28 - 7:31don't have the means to really push through reforms and
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7:31 - 7:35the politic system that is representative, like we have it today,
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7:35 - 7:39has in my opinion, completely, failed.
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7:39 - 7:43And thus we have to show that more and more
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7:43 - 7:45there is a growing distance between the representative
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7:45 - 7:48politics and the wishes of the people.
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7:48 - 7:49This is more and more obvious.
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7:49 - 7:52And thus the problem, the democratic crisis,
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7:52 - 7:55is for me, the heart of the problem
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7:55 - 7:57that should be resolved urgently.
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7:57 - 8:00I think that politics are here to help us,
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8:00 - 8:03to do the work, to direct the country.
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8:03 - 8:07So if they see a negative response from the people,
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8:07 - 8:10then they should be able to change.
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8:10 - 8:12That's the objective, I think.
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8:12 - 8:14It's the monetary system that
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8:14 - 8:16creates all those problems and
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8:16 - 8:20its a certainty that this system will have problems.
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8:20 - 8:22With debts, interests,
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8:22 - 8:24it just can't work on the long term.
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8:24 - 8:26We can't have a system that exploits
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8:26 - 8:30resources infinitely on a finite planet, like our current system.
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8:30 - 8:32The financial system,
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8:32 - 8:34the banks, money,
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8:35 - 8:37we don't really need it.
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8:37 - 8:39We can perfectly do without.
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8:39 - 8:44Do you think that our financial system
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8:45 - 8:47is the cause of most problems like
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8:47 - 8:48corruption, ..
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8:48 - 8:49The system itself, no,
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8:49 - 8:51but the people that are operating it.
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8:51 - 8:54The companies that only think about the profit
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8:54 - 8:56and not the people.
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8:56 - 8:58So, making more profit
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8:58 - 8:59and less for the people.
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8:59 - 9:02The government that currently does everything
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9:02 - 9:05to help the banks but not the people.
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9:05 - 9:07Do we have a real democracy?
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9:08 - 9:11I think in Europe, probably more
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9:11 - 9:13than in other parts of the world.
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9:13 - 9:19But still, politics has been dead for some time
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9:19 - 9:21and there's not much we can add to it.
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9:21 - 9:23Everything is being driven by money
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9:23 - 9:28and steered by lobbying and rating bureaus.
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9:28 - 9:30They currently decide how things go,
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9:30 - 9:32they give value to things
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9:32 - 9:34and whether it is true or not,
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9:34 - 9:36apparently everybody just goes along with it.
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9:36 - 9:39So yes, no.
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9:39 - 9:42It doesn't exist.
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9:42 - 9:45It's a joke.
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9:45 - 9:48We have a fake democracy but, ..
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9:48 - 9:51A fake democracy, yes.
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9:51 - 9:52It's a game,
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9:52 - 9:55a puppet show and we are the puppets.
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9:55 - 9:57That's what it boils down to.
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9:57 - 9:59We don't a lot of influence, ..
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9:59 - 10:01We have no influence
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10:01 - 10:03unless we do actions like these.
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10:03 - 10:06But not by voting, that doesn't influence anything.
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10:06 - 10:08Only getting on the streets and making your voice heard?
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10:08 - 10:10Yes and changing course,
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10:10 - 10:13how we go about it on a daily basis.
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10:13 - 10:15We have to stop and do things a different way.
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10:16 - 10:20Normally, in a democracy, this is how it should be done.
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10:20 - 10:24So it's us, the people, that vote and
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10:24 - 10:28that should be able to decide.
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10:28 - 10:32The deciders should decide what the people have chosen.
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10:32 - 10:34And not the other way around.
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10:34 - 10:36No, it's not a correct democracy,
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10:36 - 10:38that's it, it's not a direct democracy.
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10:38 - 10:40And that is what we want,
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10:40 - 10:42we want change and that's why we are here for.
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10:42 - 10:44And its a social phenomena, like you said,
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10:44 - 10:47its everywhere on this planet, not only in Brussels.
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10:47 - 10:49I don't think so.
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10:49 - 10:51We get to vote every 4 years
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10:51 - 10:55but what does that vote count for when
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10:55 - 10:58they just do things the people don't support.
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10:58 - 11:01So, I fear that is not the case.
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11:01 - 11:03A true democracy, like we have created it, yes.
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11:03 - 11:06With the votes, majority rule,
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11:06 - 11:08this is still how it is.
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11:08 - 11:11But isn't the question that
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11:11 - 11:15if this democracy system we created,
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11:15 - 11:17really is a true democracy or not.
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11:17 - 11:20And here, we all agree,
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11:20 - 11:23well most of us are, that there is a lack of
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11:23 - 11:26respect for the minority in this type of democracy.
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11:26 - 11:27So we can't really call this a democracy.
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11:27 - 11:30No, I don't think so.
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11:30 - 11:33We need a true world democracy.
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11:33 - 11:36Do you think we can really change things
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11:36 - 11:38with movements like these?
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11:38 - 11:40I think we can change things, yes,
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11:40 - 11:42otherwise I wouldn't be here.
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11:42 - 11:45And it's not a question be able to but having to.
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11:45 - 11:48I believe that there is more people on this planet
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11:48 - 11:50that start to be aware of the fact that another
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11:50 - 11:53society is not only possible but necessary.
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11:53 - 11:55For the planet, for society,
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11:55 - 11:58for the future of generations to come.
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11:58 - 12:00So, we can change things,
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12:00 - 12:04history of mankind is a sequence of movements
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12:04 - 12:06changing things and we are part
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12:06 - 12:08of that history and its movement.
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12:09 - 12:11I believe that have to start the change,
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12:11 - 12:13that's why we are in the streets.
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12:13 - 12:16We have to ferment this idea of change
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12:16 - 12:20and the manifestations, that's how it begins.
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12:27 - 12:30We have to change it together,
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12:30 - 12:32because it can't work any differently.
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12:32 - 12:34We depend completely on politics,
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12:34 - 12:36we think we have a voice,
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12:36 - 12:38that we live in a democracy,
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12:38 - 12:40but actually we don't have a lot to say.
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12:40 - 12:43We have to show that we are 99% of the people
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12:43 - 12:47and not the 1% of the rich or the establishment.
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12:47 - 12:50So if we, in all solidarity, make them feel
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12:50 - 12:52that we do not agree,
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12:52 - 12:54maybe then we'll be able to drive change.
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12:54 - 12:57Because I think that it is about time for this.
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12:57 - 13:01Yes, for me this is more than just a local movement,
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13:01 - 13:04I believe that, if you check the website, 15october.net,
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13:04 - 13:09there are more than 900 cities that have manifestations today,
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13:09 - 13:12so it's clearly more than a local movement.
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13:12 - 13:15For me, this is a global movement.
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13:15 - 13:18We can already show the non participants that
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13:18 - 13:22there are many people that are against capitalism
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13:22 - 13:25and also show that they have to open their eyes,
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13:25 - 13:28that we can change things and that there are solutions.
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13:28 - 13:31Do you think that money makes you happy?
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13:31 - 13:33No, not at all.
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13:33 - 13:37For me personally, it doesn't really matter.
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13:37 - 13:40Does it make happy?
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13:40 - 13:43In the current system, yes, maybe.
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13:43 - 13:46We live in a type of illusion that money makes you happy.
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13:46 - 13:49So everybody just heads towards that goal,
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13:49 - 13:51but for me it's not a must for happyness.
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13:51 - 13:53I have other things that make me happy.
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13:53 - 13:55People need money,
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13:57 - 13:59you need money,
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13:59 - 14:01but don't be corrupt.
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14:03 - 14:05You make your money and
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14:05 - 14:08you are responsible to use it in a good manner.
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14:08 - 14:10Money shouldn't be concentrated in
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14:10 - 14:13a small percentage like the politicians and such.
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14:13 - 14:14That's bad.
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14:14 - 14:16You need a little but,
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14:16 - 14:19I would rather live in a world without money.
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14:19 - 14:21If that were to be possible.
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14:21 - 14:23And I do think that now is the time
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14:23 - 14:25to really think about it.
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14:25 - 14:28The capitalistic system might
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14:28 - 14:30have shown its usefulness but,
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14:30 - 14:32it is now time for change.
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14:32 - 14:34Because it just can't go on like this,
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14:34 - 14:36it will excluded itself and
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14:36 - 14:39we'll have to have an alternative ready
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14:39 - 14:42or else there might be violent protests
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14:42 - 14:44or even a war.
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14:44 - 14:46I don't think that buying lots of stuff
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14:46 - 14:49makes us more happy or that money creates happyness.
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14:49 - 14:54It's sharing, friendship, love between all people.
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14:54 - 14:57It's not money. Money is a tool that
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14:57 - 15:01has been exploited by the more cunning
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15:01 - 15:05and has been exploited to such a level that
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15:05 - 15:07this is the result of it. It just can't continue like this.
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15:07 - 15:11Can you imagine a world without money?
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15:11 - 15:13A world without money?
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15:13 - 15:15Yes, I can imagine it and it is a nice aspiration
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15:15 - 15:19like a world without goverment, without leader,
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15:19 - 15:23without control, without injustice.
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15:23 - 15:25We're far from it but that doesn't mean
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15:25 - 15:27we shouldn't continue towards that direction.
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15:27 - 15:29I believe that the first steps to take
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15:29 - 15:31to arrive at such a world is
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15:31 - 15:35to regain control of the big multinationals,
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15:35 - 15:37the big financial corporations,
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15:37 - 15:39and put them under control of the people,
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15:39 - 15:41the workers, the syndicates,
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15:41 - 15:42those are the first steps to go towards
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15:42 - 15:44a world without money.
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15:44 - 15:47It's nice goal but you need intermediate steps.
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15:47 - 15:51What are the basic human needs?
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15:52 - 15:55Simply, the primary needs should be provided,
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15:55 - 15:57food and drinks for everyone,
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15:57 - 16:00a roof over your head, education,
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16:00 - 16:07and being able to spend your free time
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16:07 - 16:13on things that interest you without being a wage slave,
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16:16 - 16:18so we can spend our days doing better things
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16:18 - 16:24than what we are today and do things you like
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16:24 - 16:26and like doing.
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16:26 - 16:28Not doing a job against your will,
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16:28 - 16:307 days on 7, ..
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16:30 - 16:33I personally believe that such a society,
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16:33 - 16:36should assure that everyone on this planet,
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16:36 - 16:37and we can do it,
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16:37 - 16:44has a roof/house, work, we need work for the
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16:44 - 16:50community, free healthcare, education, certainly
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16:50 - 16:53for the children, and on the day we achieve
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16:53 - 16:54those thing, then we can talk about moving forward
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16:54 - 16:57but we're far from it, we have people without
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16:57 - 17:01homes, homeless people, and like we see in Greece,
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17:01 - 17:04the health of the population is in free fall because
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17:04 - 17:06of the austerity measures, we first need to
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17:06 - 17:08regain all terrains that we can,
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17:08 - 17:13and if we are able to do that it would be because
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17:13 - 17:17of the mass of people and then we can ask ourselves,
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17:17 - 17:18where we go from here.
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17:18 - 17:21But now is the resistance before we can move forward, afterwards.
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17:21 - 17:24Me, I walk around, I see a lot of people on the street,
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17:24 - 17:30beggars, and I think that, it does make me indignant.
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17:30 - 17:32I am not happy walking around in a city where
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17:32 - 17:36we encounter beggars every corner, I think that
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17:36 - 17:39all humans have the right to dignity.
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17:39 - 17:42It's not that those people disturb me,
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17:42 - 17:44it just should not exist anymore.
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17:44 - 17:48These people should have a dignified and normal life.
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17:48 - 17:54Like for everyone, a roof, work, good wages that permit them
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17:54 - 17:56to live a life dignified.
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17:56 - 18:01The first thing we should do is to undo ourselves
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18:01 - 18:07from the dominating ideology coming from
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18:07 - 18:12advertising, consuming, the desire to consume that is
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18:12 - 18:15being forced upon us all the time and is at the same time
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18:15 - 18:18a desire that will never be fulfilled so we need to undo
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18:18 - 18:23ourselves from this approach and go back
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18:23 - 18:26to the fundamentals and retake,
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18:26 - 18:33get away from this thought, imprinted individualism,
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18:33 - 18:37and return to the consideration that we are
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18:37 - 18:41members of a society and think more along those lines.
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18:41 - 18:46This will give us more satisfaction unlike individualism
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18:47 - 18:52that is the cause of a lot of the frustration.
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18:53 - 18:56Now we hope that there will be a political response,
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18:56 - 18:59so that we are not forced to make the change,
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18:59 - 19:01but I'm afraid that if we don't get any answer soon,
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19:01 - 19:05that we should take matters in our own hands.
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19:05 - 19:09To have a sustainable society based on sharing,
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19:09 - 19:15really, a change of values for humanity.
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19:15 - 19:20It's when we become violent (like war) to achieve certain things
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19:20 - 19:24that we're departing from the wrong basics,
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19:24 - 19:27and we don't want that, we want peace for everyone.
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19:27 - 19:30What do you think makes you happy?
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19:36 - 19:38Personal relationships..
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19:38 - 19:40Connecting with other people?
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19:40 - 19:42Yeah,
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19:42 - 19:45actually there is a great power in this globalizing world,
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19:45 - 19:53this European idea, we can't allow it to fall apart.
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19:53 - 19:56Creating things, making music, working in the garden,
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19:56 - 19:59seeing plants grow, helping people,
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19:59 - 20:01this makes me happy.
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20:01 - 20:04Seeing the results of those things,
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20:04 - 20:08this what I think, makes it worth it.
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20:08 - 20:11Everybody is different, but for me,
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20:11 - 20:15it is my degree, I'm a student in psychology,
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20:15 - 20:20being happy, but it's complicated.
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20:21 - 20:23And you?
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20:24 - 20:25That's for another interview..
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20:25 - 20:26What makes you happy?
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20:26 - 20:27What makes me happy?
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20:27 - 20:32My family, my friends, feeling connected to other people,
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20:33 - 20:34certainly not money.
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20:34 - 20:37You need money in this world to buy stuff,
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20:37 - 20:39but its not what makes me happy.
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20:39 - 20:44Just enough money to eat, have a normal life, I think.
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20:44 - 20:45Have your basic needs met,
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20:45 - 20:46Yeah, basic needs,
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20:46 - 20:48what people need.
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20:48 - 20:49I think so.
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20:49 - 20:52When everyone is happy.
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20:52 - 20:53People around you?
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20:53 - 20:54Everyone.
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20:54 - 20:55Everyone?
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20:55 - 20:55Everyone.
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20:55 - 20:58I would like that everyone is happy.
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20:58 - 21:01That everyone has some to live with,
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21:01 - 21:03dignified.
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21:03 - 21:07That is also my happyness.
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21:07 - 21:09But while we are doing this,
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21:09 - 21:11we should at least try to enjoy life,
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21:11 - 21:12the everyday life,
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21:12 - 21:15and I think that we shouldn't separate those two things,
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21:15 - 21:18because I would say that, simply revolting is
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21:18 - 21:21positive on an activism level, but staying in that
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21:21 - 21:26type of attitude might not be pleasant,
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21:26 - 21:28there is no reason that we shouldn't also take joy
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21:28 - 21:31in everyday life while we try to transform things.
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21:31 - 21:35Well here today, I'm very influenced when I see
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21:35 - 21:38that everyone is united and everyone agrees,
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21:38 - 21:41that is what makes me happy.
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21:41 - 21:42Being here with everyone,
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21:42 - 21:46with all people that want change like me.
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21:46 - 21:49Freedom,
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21:49 - 21:51For you personally?
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21:51 - 21:53Absolutely,
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21:53 - 21:55And are there other things?
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21:55 - 21:57Yes, of course,
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21:57 - 22:01Eating, drinking, water, the most important needs,
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22:02 - 22:07and not cars, bling-bling, none of those things.
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22:07 - 22:08Thank you for the interview.
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22:08 - 22:09Thank you.
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22:09 - 22:10Thank you for the interview.
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22:10 - 22:11Thank you.
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22:11 - 22:12You're welcome.
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22:12 - 22:14Thank you for the interview.
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22:14 - 22:15Thanks very much!
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22:15 - 22:16Thanks for the interview.
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22:16 - 22:17You're welcome.
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22:17 - 22:18Thanks for this interview.
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22:18 - 22:19You're welcome.
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22:19 - 22:20Thanks for this interview.
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22:20 - 22:22Thanks very much for this interview.
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22:22 - 22:23And thank you.
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22:23 - 22:24Thanks.
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22:24 - 22:25Thank you.
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22:25 - 22:26Thanks.
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22:26 - 22:26Thanks.
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22:26 - 22:27Thanks for this interview.
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22:27 - 22:28You're welcome.
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22:28 - 22:32Right when we were about to leave,
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22:32 - 22:34we noticed a special van.
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22:35 - 22:38You go and I'll follow you,
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22:38 - 22:41its around my head now,
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22:44 - 22:47Flyer in there.
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22:49 - 22:51You're going to hand a DVD?
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22:51 - 22:52Hurry!
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22:57 - 22:58What's her name again?
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22:58 - 23:00I have no idea.
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23:00 - 23:01Come one!
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23:01 - 23:03Excuse me?
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23:03 - 23:05Excuse me,
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23:05 - 23:06can I give you this DVD?
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23:06 - 23:09It's a very interesting documentary,
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23:10 - 23:12made by an American producer,
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23:12 - 23:16and from this documentary a social movement has spawned,
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23:16 - 23:17The Zeitgeist Movement,
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23:17 - 23:19a global movement.
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23:19 - 23:27And we are now here to promote this social movement
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23:27 - 23:29and we would like it very much that this documentary
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23:29 - 23:33would be shown on Canvas, but check it out first,
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23:33 - 23:35and let it surprise you, alright, thanks.
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23:35 - 23:37Thanks and good luck!
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23:37 - 23:39Information is everywhere!
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23:40 - 23:42This van belongs to the VRT (Flemish Radio & Television)
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23:42 - 23:44Let's hope they will check out Zeitgeist: Moving Forward!
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23:44 - 23:46Thanks for this interview.
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23:46 - 23:48Zeitgeist!
- Title:
- "Occupy Brussels" Interviews, 20111015
- Description:
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We attended the "Occupy Brussels" event on October 15th, 2011, to spread awareness of The Zeitgeist Movement and, in this particular case, interview the attendees of this event to gain some insight on what the people supporting this are like.
- Video Language:
- English, British
- Duration:
- 23:50
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