May 13 2012 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows

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Today is 13 May, Sunday, 2012, Jacque Fresco Seminar
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This discussion is about questions and answers.
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Sometimes a person asks a question, and i feel that they know very little about.
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In other words, if a person is enough familiar with electronics at all, says what if a machine breaks out,
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an electronics person doesn't know what is he talking about.
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Is it the transistors? are capacitors? circuit? welding?
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when you're not talking with specifics, you're not communicating.
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When a person says to me you can't protect the behaviour of people
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telling me that they don't know behave of people, and this is a subject that i can't do anything well.
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And let's say you do about people that insist that they're right?
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In other words, that is a specific question. A specific question as: how do you arrive in your decision?
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and why is your decision any better than any other decision?
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Now, a person that answers that question may or may not understanding the answer.
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The assumption that people understands the answer you give them, is an assumption and a projection.
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So, in order to check out, if you have the time and few people, you would say what do you say i mean by that?
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come over something that attention
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So, people work automobile say automobile engineers, not mechanics.
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Mechanics are a little different than engineers Engineers understands the efficiency ratios of the parts.
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How much long you get per gallon, how few how fuel and the technician understands of all parts of the car.
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It will say automobiles are unsafe, with conviction.
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That doesn't tell you have make him safer. And doesn't tell you anything
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Unless you say, if you make a break, Something that you can use.
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Another unanswerable question is: how can you control the population?
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You can't control the population, it goes on and multiply.
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The question is how do you can control the population.
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Now, you can't control population, right on, and, does not give you alternatives.
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When a person says you can't make airplanes absolutely safe.
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Well, what the hell that tells you? nothing. Except that persons limited hability to participate.
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A man would say if you made airplanes safer, that wouldn't say anything that you can use,
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so you have to discredit that, government has been corrupt even since begin,
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that doesn't tell you how to make them uncorrupt.
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So you tell that person that they have nothing to offer, unless you show a method to make a government work.
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Unless you say, i would like to know what your view is on this,
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have a problem comes up and they say what is your view on automobile safety,
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i said you know anything about automobiles. mechanisms of what are they for,
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and you can talk about the anatomy of the automobile.
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If you don't know anything about the human body, you can't talk about anatomy.
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sick people did say that we don't always go live collapsed something that you can do anything with it
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if you say the soil is exhausted the plan so i'm going you've offered nothing retain sadness food
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grounded in the florida coast the accident which is full
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if the plans consumer it needs water not just nutrient arkansas
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so what is the conveyor of the substitute plan previously
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we already have topshop what any suggestion that flash to that person
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caterpillar ahead of time what do you suggest
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well i don't know that shut up the industry in a timely manner do you think
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people can dance questions unless they know thirty-eight happening as such he got that is the same thing
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which you said that he wanted to have planned for what reason automobile move usually
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many different things fueled conducted changes so that wheeled transmission what we want no specific
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many things involved in the movement of a car
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refuge a huge everyday human beings to all come from different environments
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and in many different and you can't baseball react the same way attitude
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accepted persons limitations potential well a lot of people that are committed to talk to you today
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in the future they won't be now would you be coming to a medical conference
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negative about the jungle you think this concept that this matter
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what do you think about it interviewed justin outside mama oppression
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they don't say what do you think so i don't have a confirmation that the people
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and then there are no conference and a lot of people
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so it kind of question is a year are related to the flying machine only
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located discussion other airport safety than we h ave fha people here at work is done
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and you say well it's a matter of the runway well and the rest of the plane
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lands around lake cracks ellipses standard recommendations thinkers
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and reinforcement of ground why do you need me barcelona where they were great hotwire
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so the concrete crack it doesn't change elevation if you have wires and there
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hickey says the same location even though it's cracked
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if you're not equipped to understand the engine he can ask questions
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who organizes in electronic could fail to path participation but often dot
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sometimes i would not engage impression if i feel that i'm not talking about the subject
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they say you can't predicted predate human behavior
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it could get him to have contributed to tell us to
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giving a different view
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let me know only ten stories high
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the senate floor
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why do you want to do that
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to talk about studying
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division
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you can make more than he was absolutely
sick
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what do you feel a limitation
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well the drive may be distracted ponnu
one patient in
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affection
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the distraction of dieting
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it is a cell phone
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and that diving into a p
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and the kids are fighting in the bag
does the distractions
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to anyone caught up in cincinnati to
distraction
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how did you do that right now
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and he said
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all you want soldiers who do is operated
sheena
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a twenty-one
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york could talk discuss philosophy
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on the trenches
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because discussed
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portrayed as they get somebody else
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but that would be relevant to the war
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what they do say blindfolded assaulted
needs to take its gonna pipeline for the
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cutest even
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and he has to assembly blindfolded
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candy case you don't have a lawyer in
the country
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the machine gun jams
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and want to know how the undo the gem
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but if you talk about velocity
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and the history of guns
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that does not undo the gem
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let you go
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very familiar with the taking the time
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the machine everynight conferences
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are all the characteristics
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of different hair
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they try to follow that your government
during the war
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because they show
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that they can't make it turn
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has faeces american friends can
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therefore take advantage
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of that uncertainty
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of the internet
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when the german pilot lands on an
american irish
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has surrendered sierra lane
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they take it up
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to study extern characteristics
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had to write a report
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on what they can do and one of the cases
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that gives you a veteran pilot
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detainee of knowing the rate of crime of that era
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you don't know that and you just want to rely on your own ability
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killer had predicted a dire report although both forms of the andrea
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protesters leek and potato
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until you can't refrain
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courses you must have to fight
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so you offer a foreign power
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fifty thousand dollars
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whose defiance in cash
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he do it every after
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to get them to make
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they say you can get it can happen
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that doesn't anything one of the method of getting internet
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people come up with ideas
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whether or i don't know and a good detective work he is
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if the passenger's sentence dot
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so remember this is is that they have hidden
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people will talk about all kinds of things
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but not when their cooperation be taken to the book
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on the air conditioning breaks down they could take you to enter conditioning
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mechanic you can go to the bank
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he could say well i don't know
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check the inquiry downplayed he doesn't know
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so everybody likes to feel comp
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everybody likes to feel
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they want to participate the question is
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the only way to participate anything
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is offering any tangible referential
prescription
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if you believe
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they're all things are affected by other
things
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means that humanity if there's a
predictable
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if you believe that day digi
conditioning chafee cake
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if you think it's a belong
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he can't take that
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the leader in human behavior is immoral
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you can't predict
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who the hell no
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working in a wonderful he's going to be
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of the candidate that you can think but
if you believe that he was fascinated
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because it is
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well they think
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that's alright as long as you know what
works
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henrietta
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impression jessica less
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in the city appreicate if they have
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well division is not good addresses too
low
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in louisville
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you have to have swine flu
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even take guests
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but that's not likely move it
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if you believe in human behavior
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the state of corn which congressional
floors reinforced
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he says people will do anything
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if you really important
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if you want to know
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config truthfully
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i think the cadets who treat you said
that was very nice of you to do that
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and you trade what would you like to do
is it that you're going to go in america
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can be taken longer reinforcement
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alaina does
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you will get back to work every day
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if you say that we give negative
reinforcing to certain behavior
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and will stop at a caveat only when
you're a but when you're not there
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okay maybe have another conversion
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the swimming pool
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if you're not there
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some of the impression
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they said they'd leave a certain way
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only when you're up liberty jewish uh...
classroom
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salon relational
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the keys to that
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everybody's scientific
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because they're not read more
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talking
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when teachers
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diamonds is eh... just shot down two
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or three german car
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the captain says
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what method did you use
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because i want to talk to the new i was
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but the method you used
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out of the information
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got
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develop the era really know how to find
out that you really have a
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that has to take
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although it's not sincere never
outmaneuver the unique you gotta be
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given to the punch
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sound into the attic
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had taken his
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outpacing the ability to defy conference
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toddlers okay
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how to save lives here
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he let go yet myself singer
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if you don't know all those things
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it's hard to communicate and the president
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you didn't answer my question it would be you didn't answer my question in terms i didn't understand
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because you don't know that unit mike and he said electronic gravestones
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the guy in the field of electronics really investigating
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they say the capacitor
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overwhelmed brooke undecided copper wire
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going into pretentious
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here's a guy who had a look
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but he does not let let me just say eight broke down
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internal dot net it hurts
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he knows that he has restate my uni kaha me
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on the bottom attorney he's got a little more who work for
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hearsay if for example over
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what's permissible
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he can do it
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john and i think that we could do anything with
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his the happier if he had the option b
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handled case had conducted
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a liability is eating food
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introduce our guest
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or emotional stress
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he's going to hang up
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someone usually michael continues the all day long
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i can't stop laughing
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he might take out his hand doesn't like that
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and compare it to other doctors
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he can't do that
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except unfair the every question
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does not compare mechanical systems
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nor can they talk about kisses on the city's if you say
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many people requiring different kinds of cities
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and different kinds of house
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now if they do if anybody would like to go on their own car individual cough for
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everybody
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it will cost a million dollars apiece
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if you make donaldson sample
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a hundred shed a tear look-alike
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much cheaper he understand them
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tomas carnage
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most forward volkswagens rather than a look-alike
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who make each one different there would be out of the range because
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do you allow for individuality in that society
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idiotic individually to meet means
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differences in delhi
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by different aspects of the culture
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we can afford all kinds of individuals
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guy i want to listen
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three creases
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less individual latitude obscene
individual
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on the same as into the individually is
when
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p was a right now and then to excess
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feel the
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boston individuals
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but that this doesn't do anything for
the people
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convincing them of that do they want to
know what do you think this type it
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florida state is no different than the
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than existing
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i can't deal with
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in fact not device agencies that nothing
thing
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and what does it contribute
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contributes to the well being of people
they feel good energy
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is an important
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well if they want to see a bull flag
they feel good
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watching the bulls
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feel good about the ultimate answer
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it's a collective utility area
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and i would go
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what will benefit people marsh
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to melancholic basic things how they
work on special alert
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however the oh so they disconnected
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i would agree to the environment
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husain as part of nature without food being constructed life discrimination
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at the class of two thousand years he will die kathy sanctions won't make it
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cushy cushion
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that we depend on ninety jim
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lightning finishes at nineteen feet in the soil
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it makes it available blanche
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deceptive practice writing now latvian current
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meant by should be cut
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mock looked like he is not their model
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five matches
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you could tell by valued would be electricity would flow only in the ground bonafide
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would go to the atmosphere tree
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a little girl on the bicycle
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and that means it wasn't designed for her
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i swear to the provision when basic give us a change in season
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we need to change or people in this topic here apparently type to the board
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they would know what you're talking about. And they say it was a way before to
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If you give us a change in season, the average person not mean
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i'm meteorologist resistant to weather
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personal questions are asked.
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But there are other kids that would love until our case it would love to participate
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so they'll say part of it has a lot of evidence in that city?
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They are looking for participation
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If you say the water supply has not yet been all the houses
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can you make it even shut the whole he'd get whatever they want to know.
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But you can say what if i behind our lives
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that helps keep bringing up anarchy argument, the recognition of participation
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So, a real participation is a how would you acclimate people to just assign?
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if they were will grow to believe in individual housing?
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You can't do that, unless you now to tell where people get their values from.
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If you live in the icu work touched on it, or week long, those become normal to you.
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And if you said oh i i one of the legal your predecessor president bringing up contradiction, or no other reason than participating.
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Do you understand that?
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What is real participation when the brain cell what we do? Gee, you crash.
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who can you make brakes less apt to fail? No, i’m sure you not.
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playlists atrophic
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So, your assumption reception argumentative questions questions
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Is it this is an assumption
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Unless you ask what you think i mean?
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And they come up with some intermediate
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say, apparently i was unable to answer
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or they don't have the background to understand what went wrong with the electronics.
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if you tell them kidney purposefully not working properly
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cliches old potato colony
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an orthodox and if you have to get the book handbook of the for me
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and uh... of the anatomy opted to go and how they work what they do
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to the organs were going on today control by abortion
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all of a study of motions and the effect on mortgage
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which is another string celtic
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psychology opulence
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this is an always the failure of the kidney
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he could be a failure
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of love of life for you
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if your whole family is killed one of the election
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it may not want to live a day
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they call at the will to die
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that should be deleted will death
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i know it seems strange that they go to bed at night
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and they don't feel alive
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they don't sleep well
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they've been see other people
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for their life has been cut what they called
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if people live in a world where everybody friendly
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everybody's concerned about you will be would you
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culture friend dollars you've got left alone
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home either pay the rent obligated eat
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upheaval liberal old today
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and i would say that if everybody tried to work
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to enhance a lot of everybody else
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you would be desperate when somebody dies give him a television boy drea
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jennings thank you
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how do you know what i mean by answering questions you can't let the patient
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isn't that discipline represent
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to human eighty keeps changing that's why you can't dictate what people do
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say he's telling you
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that he hasn't already method of predicting behavior
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now you know what to do lane jobs
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they have good communication if they do
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wanted the loop with the ruling does too big of the loop
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to me is that brown development correctly may do that at the end of the way
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the pilot the main guy has a lobbyist uh
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prenatal are trained to follow the puck
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the pilot makes it harder on his decision that you know
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thank you for allowing us to collect it worked out alright he kicked ass
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because as all the way people have not knowing things
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is that the x_-ray in the field knows more about it that you do it's true
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their refrigerators engineer
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might be able to make use his radio worked well
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but he knows more about it that the breakdown
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killing you call upon expiry
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they're not always accurate
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but they're more likely that you are
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and that's all we go away
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half of the largest tells me
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we expect a very stormy winter
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he has more methods of the arriving at that prediction couldn't be long yet
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but cardio many times munition
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so we go quiet diameters
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the best place to catch fish
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this bureau grief
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how long you've been fishing sixty five years
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how many fish he caught four thousand toms
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you've been listening to him
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at the time they still had cooled to a great day
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will he be could he be long yes he could
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but now they want to hear trish
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as this is a perfect now
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the worker who cares about me
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and leaders of the operation that city
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for the benefit of all people in that city all the time
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pierce's novel productions
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if you could recommend a method to make it more substantial
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recommend that night
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do you understand that communication
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there is no communication
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with people so not schooled in in that
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so if you have to do it he can
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that discipline first
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that'd be eight is not their own
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that shaped by culture
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giving him vision
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do that first
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and then go off an engineer and you're better off.
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They believe that every president in individual and individuality is within the parish
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If you can't disprove that deducted mistake
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because he can take it anywhere.
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if you believe yesterday did you see dust to dawn placing thank you
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the guy told me she says no then testability
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He gave me for me
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But if you think that those same goal of a case that feed it fresh food data dog likes
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at a time again comes over two daughters left us
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who died in say wooden shack, less apt to snap
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If people are exceptional for one
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bus and i love you i need you i want to you need or need anything in the world
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if they don't need any way they can't just have a conference in the other person.
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If the person has confidence in another person
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you really can't do that as you know more about the subject of the other person.
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The (?) conference in the laptop into the pilot flying a plane, and i can fly as well as him,
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I’ve flown with him a lot, and he gets me down.
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That is all i have come the fact that he got me there.
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Is it a confident fizzy accompanying pilot? I don't know under what condition she's confident
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and under other conditions he is not.
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I think i told some of you here about the has a lot of people
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it wouldn't have time
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and the pilot said he (?) smoke, and went back to me if i don't want he doesn fire on the floor, they up the tea.
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Obviously, they don't understand the significance of that to people that do that.
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But they always understand that fire he see,
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for making the final flaw they did not able to understand that.
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I’m sure they did make a plan yes they do that but i wanted to be
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I don’t think they did.
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security to mac copulating may define india eked t
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Are they dumb? No. They don’t understand to the relationship of fire to the inside the airplane.
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specially at high altitude, where they have air circulating and limited oxygen.
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If you open a window at an airplane, all the air will be sucked out.
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And some people would say i would like a little ventilation.
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If the windows were open global could be a lot of dead people requested
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And you wouldn’t know why.
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Unless they know i must say how much what would that work unchanged that broken parts.
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How do you know this? When the plane crashes, the FHA takes you to know hanger
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lays out the windows and the door of the land here, and they look at everything.
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there was an air pressure problem, profusely diploma windows blown out,
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and they know what love for.
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FHA are they perfect? No. But you know better what to look for than the average person.
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So, when the FHA says, they do a list of probable cause of that crash.
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Now, if you say the man assassinated another person, because he was brought up in Italy,
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or the value system that differences that with people who don’t assassinate people that they disagree with.
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But if a person’s condition to beat up on another guy,
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that looks as tended to his wife sexually, is he bad, or is he a victim of the culture? That is what i mean.
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So, if you get mad at somebody, it means you really don’t understand this subject.
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So if a guy says “you want to fight?”
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He believes that beat you in a fight is right.
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He may be better at fighting than you are, but it doesn’t make him right.
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Normal, all of the normal people believe that a guy who is better in fighting is right.
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Right is might (?). You heard that shit.
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And so, if you are right, you get the shit to get outer here.
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So, if they say, why wouldn’t you explain your ideas to a lot of people, and see how they feel about it?
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If you explain, if you have an atheist lecture to a group of catholics, they could revoke him out.
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If you lose a debate, say you are in a debating team, and there is a debate.
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The guys like the guy that wanted to pay. Does it mean he is right? No.
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It just meant that the people are listening to, or is familiar with that point of view, or under another point of view.
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So if you win a debate it doesn’t mean you’re right.
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If say god may all listen and can come about in another way. Most people will shake their heads.
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That doesn’t make him right.
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So, when you get into a debate, you don’t enter to win.
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You enter to see how many people you can primarily affect in the discussion.
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And if you are “poopooed”, you know what it mean? It says, that guy is falling into shit.
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And you will walk out, that means you would have no relevant approaches to those people.
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Do you understand the questions and the answers? There are no answers.
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Answer is, can we answer this question?
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What makes war, like this one answer, this is the answer.
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It is a whole study of kingdoms and habits of thought,
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and this nation is different to the other nation,
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and believes their way is the right way, so they try too kill the other nation.
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Are they bad? No. Are they murderers? No.
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They are victims of a different culture.
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So, if you can’t get to people, instead of saying they are dumb,
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and that you don’t have the time to build the referential language,
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or they don't have the background to understand you. That is possible.
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I wanted you to get that (?), so you don’t waste your time.
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I don’t talk to people that raises questions like you can't predict your own behavior. I can’t do anything with that.
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You mentioned if you want to go over intellectual traps.
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Intellectual traps is the habits. You picked up a habit as an intellectual trap.
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You revert back to that, say, somebody has make all this. That is the individual trap.
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If you trained in religion first, then the intellectual trap is assuming god made all of this.
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And if you behaved badly, they say that devil (?) into you. That is an intellectual trap.
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You have the free will and kick the devil out of here.
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There are people tended to grow on that section to get out he said the track
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keep her off right now test
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That is an intellectual trap. That means at his school if indeed he isn't sure if i A pretended like to attract that is an intellectual trap.
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A habit, established habit, is an intellectual trap.
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Yes. Staying up all is an alternative in the problem.
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review
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Very difficultly. You can’t.. It's almost impossible
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Because of a guy diet pluck a whole bunch electronic equipment sound cooking, everything.
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And he knows something about electronics, sound equipment, erything.
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he said my system isn't working, it’s all you can say.
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But you can say it's a transistors capacitors, circuitry, he can’t say that. She doesn't know that.
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places is not working to explain
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there's a guy in terms of the violence doesn't go up he hooks inside
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he sees it worked out to insisted he dealt with a look
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but the average price of my car isn't working right
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it tends to be until the last right chuck
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those words that you'd like i was working on
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he took a little volunteers has a right
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he thinks in terms of time
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the world's he enters a new strategy
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but it doesn't happen
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the average person unless they don't panic four times and that any stated that
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committed by pediatrician lifetime chump change here
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only active you know per person can
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no if she had oppression can't know
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the to humanity it p humidity in the year
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that carries the health care whatever changes
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unless they know about transferring out
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So you think totally insane even talk to people.
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That’s why it's good to have to go through what you majoring
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And the guy says conscious electronic.
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And, what else you should he would be here? Human behaviour.
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How much of human behavior have you worked with?
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Well, i like Charles Gordon’s concepts of behaviour.
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Or i like the (?), you know?
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Then you know what areas of behaviour they are endoctrinated in. Or in which ways.
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Can a guy be a mechanistic basically
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I would say no because a mechanist listen a lot of people says,
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but then put it to test and see if it works.
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And if works, they are not victims of habituation.
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Now, let me give you an example of a statement on
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only and they can gentile impressions
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When a person says my refrigerator doesn't work
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well, they don’t know whether if it gets as cool as it should, as it turned off, they don’t know.
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They are experts, as a guy that knows the anatomy of the refrigerator. You can talk to them.
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But you can’t talk to a person that knows nothing about refrigerator.
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A person that knows nothing, about to say, airplanes. They can't say what makes it stable.
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He doesn't know what you said that he'd like to see. He doesn’t know what that means.
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How much (?), how do you determine that.
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In aeronautics indian army you're getting the message the economy
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In automotive science you're shaking his love of the oakland hills.
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And you have a person that says yes.
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can't find a health forty five degrees too much
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if i can handle camera work
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so if you have a table india water
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do not try to climb hills
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except affordability that's how to use a mechanism.
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Don't try to do upside-down flying in a nonstop flight
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has stopped playing shops the fuels products outside
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lawyers for the whole plan
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so stunt kite has a bypass mechanism
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shuts up you'll when the temperature
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but if you say the plane discipline to study
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that means people took here
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so when you talk about giving stuff
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architecture structural, bridges, the way that the structures are arranged, even talk to people.
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But if they said, what makes the bridge stand-up?
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You say, have you got three days. No, i haven’t.
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Then come back when you have more time.
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Because there are many little things you can discuss.
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But things are not subject to questions and answers.
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In school, they say there is a question-and-answer period. We didn't talk about it.
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But you really can't have questions and answers.
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Even he did have kindly inform tech precious pal entitlement to health care what technology is.
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And how technicians arrive at decisions today not arrival decisions outside their field, maybe not. You have to find that out.
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An electronic expert doesn’t know how to check behaviiour.
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he says don't feed on itself templates natural
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the wrong assumptions, even though we don't electrons for agency
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he can transfer that to another field.
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So, questions and answers and really,
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in the future about the what was your background
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networking stuff
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when you talk to the intern
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there aren't going to change question
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well even though i knew that
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any questions
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and i think you don't understand
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patel questions but his statements
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feeling all he's permitted to talk to spectacular
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how of his vision
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but don't communicate
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guilty tells people without limitation like chico
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do you understand what that means is not just saying his questions and answers
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he can sit back
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hinting to electronic
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uneven teeth about two characteristics of technology, how one point six with another,
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there is because the cold usually in automobiles ordeal tell you what to do.
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Without that columbia interaction the average person drives a car into the great until it breaks down. This is what they do.
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They drive it until don't include cuts out.
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Because they can afford to take a ten anna jarvis like that slight differencies. And always have the money.
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So, the word democracy cannot be enough meta fist (?).
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If you can afford to take a call in or your wife to the doctor what she had chronic headaches,
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and take taper into an mri just over a thousand dollars,
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to bucket last don't stuff your best buy guts on somebody.
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He is fine roundabouts isn't review board you are poor.
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So, the word democracy does not permit you to behave democratically.
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Unless you have the purchasing power to do so.
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So i don't understand what it's like freedom, democracy, individuality, because they're not telling me anything.
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Something about the persons limitations is all things go they told me.
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not what society believed purposes i believe in individual that way.
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I don’t have to make a painting that makes sense to you as long it makes sense to me. That is not sharing ideas.
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If you make a painting that makes can maintain that means a lot to you,
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lover flashes cabrini yellow crossing he's just read
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All of that is projection. I can’t deal with that.
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Because they will go go unpaid if you enjoy it. That make you feel good.
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But don't come at me and said, with you frame my paintings in exhibitional.
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Because the painting you do gives everybody a different value system, i can’t see the benefit of it.
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If you tell that the world water means anything, that is a lost of communication.
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It means subject to interpretation.
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before he reached out to you doing contaminated uncontaminated water salt water, passages and water, that means something.
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But if you just talk about water, in one-way, and everybody interpreted the wrong way, you have a divided civilization.
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Why do we have if we have it in one way? We don't have that one way.
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We have to have a verifiable way, not any one way. One way is god makes everything.
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A verifiable way is whose principal below if you don't wanna will keep the soil
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apiece and insects tracking down the, that is a verifiable way.
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So language has to do with verifiability. That is why they can't communicate with anybody.
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You only communicate with those people that are relevant. Conversant jk trying to be.
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If your mother says a person that oppressions guilty, i knowing that i could see in this case.
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Well, nobody is ever guilty of anything. They just have different methods that you have.
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That is very hard to accept the person is a disturber of the present.
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If i had a person that was a continuist which is dead to heaven, i might say and i actually have to leave.
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I said this because i have to consider everybody there.
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A disturbing senses says that this terrorist senses an organization i don’t mean by anything you said.
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i believe i have free will know what to expect geographically i say, and i said you have to leave.
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You're avoiding my question, no i’m not.
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I have to consider, or i will consider the majority of the people.
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I would let a person eleven percent or that this is sincere, but birthday using is getting but if i don't think is agreeing with you.
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That is bringing up the oposition, as they say i don’t agree that you are building a stronger,
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i don't believe that if you build it will be stronger if you're interested queue to get it
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and how much they will show me reputable
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But they say i don't agree with him at one twenty ish shall participation
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So, participation means fundamental referential criticism.
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People don't talk about the subject, they talk about their feelings, regarding to a subject.
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Do you know how it is different?
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I don't want to get around to be live in a round city.
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But if i want to miss class today square city?
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Well, they would say mentioned one of the benefits and how do you arrive at that.
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That would be inquiry.
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When you ask questions, you have to say tell what the question is.
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Does it have a record tested question could mean anything
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So, participatory democracy is ridiculous statement. It cannot be. You can’t participate in democracy.
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But you define that term. What do you mean by that?
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And you agree with participatory democracy? And i said yes i do.
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And why don’t you take your car and go away from here? Unless you take into a budget? That would help to fix your car.
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Or that chicken that raises out, they increased the chicken to the right person feeding
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because the wrong person can participate
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now when they talk about this participatory democracy question, how would you grow more food.
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I want to participate, they don't know if the study agriculture and come back to the big time antwort
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or try something, work at it.
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I don't see anything detrimental on that, but if you do that when you talk to people.
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hit television ministry question is
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I have to, you seee? They don't even know that.
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so he's a liar finishing up a new book on semantic they've gotten there yet that language is subject to an interpretation,
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because if it is, and i fear it but you don't understand it says i want you to che had to give
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So you have to live in the bases that enables you to make more appropriate decisions.
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I would outposts the questions to Jacque and Roxanne right now.
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Okay, thanks Shawn. First question. Do you have a transitional solution for technological unemployment
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before a resource based economy can be attained?
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Have you considered the importance of getting governments on board with such a transitional idea?
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For example, decreasing working hours? Do you have a plan for a transitional government?
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No, we only have a plan for transitional resource based economy.
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Not within the system? Not within the system.
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Jack Catran stated that you grew up around four or five other intellectuals as a young man.
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What happened to these other men?
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Did they ever become socially aware or help you towards the resource based economy direction?
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To whatever extent they could, they are all now deceased. Yes.
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Well, Jacque did it for several books, trying to introduce what he could, Jack Catran.
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You surrounded yourself with some interesting individuals, like Catran,
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why did they stop being part of Sociocyberneering and the resource based economy idea?
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They never stopped, they worked at it all their lives. Yes, Jack Catran did.
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The people that Jacque really spent a lot of time with when he was younger
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are kids that he really introduced to science and aviation too. They all went into aviation, most, didn't they?
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And they worked with you in building the Trend Home, didn’t they? Yes.
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The first aluminum pre-fabricated home after WW2. Yes.
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And weren't they going to go to, at one time, you asked them all to meet you in the motto,
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That was South Pacific islands. Yes, and you thought a war was going to happen in there.
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And as I remember you asked them all to meet you there, because after the war you wanted to start a new-direction society.
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But you were the only one that showed up there, is that right?
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Yes, that is true. They weren't able to carry that out, they didn't have the money to travel out there.
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I see. In the collapse, do you think the government will use the army in the streets to keep their power,
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or do you think the army will protect the public?
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No, the army will protect the government, because that's the way they're brought up.
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The army is to serve the interests of the establishment, not the majority of people.
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As witnessed, the police spraying mace or some other object into people's eyes when they were not fighting back.
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The police serve the interests of the establishment, not the public.
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In the past, i read in an old newspaper advertisement on your website that you identified yourself as a behaviorist,
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when attending public lectures back in the 1960/1970s.
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Would you still identify yourself as a behaviorist today?
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A behaviorist? I would say it's greatly modified today.
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Yes, i believe environment shapes behavior,
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but i'm interested in the specific aspects of the environment that shape particular kinds of behavior,
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whether it be serial killers, gangsters, whatever people are, they're shaped by their sub-culture,
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the culture they're exposed to,
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and the conditions and they're exposed to.
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How useful is evolutionary psychology? Do you think there's such a thing as "evolved behaviours,"
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particularly in non-verbal animals?
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I would say that that's a very difficult subject to the answer.
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I can only say that animals behave with their limited receptors to whatever extent they're receptors tell them,
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they're receptors are not sophisticated and that's why they're called primitive.
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Human being is capable of a wide range of receptors or instruments to improve their ability to function,
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such as microscopes which extend their sensitivity into realms that they themselves cannot perceive visually.
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They can use instruments. And the instruments serve as extensional devices,
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But human beings, without instruments, would be very primitive indeed.
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Also in terms of "evolved behaviors", animals really react to their environment whatever receptors they have,
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if it doesn't work well within their environment,
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whether you call them evolved or whatever, what other, whatever
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changed mechanisms or apparatus that they have,
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if it doesn't work well in their environment they die out.
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So "evolved" is kind of a strange word, evolved behaviours.
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You have often said in the future the field of psychology will be replaced with behavioral science.
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That means the study of the effects of environment upon behaviour.
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To find the mechanisms that are the
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primary mechanism responsible for certain types of behavior.
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If you're brought up in a society where people have ten or fifteen wives that would be normal to your upbringing.
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If you're brought up in a society where a person has one wife,
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or if you're brought where religion dominates
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that will affect the value system of that society.
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So I'm a great believer in the effects of environment on human behaviour,
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I don't think there's a republican gene or a democratic gene.
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I think all of the genes deliver is the color of the eyes, the shape of the head, and the certain propensity, reflexes.
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Yes, all that's controlled by genes, but values are learned.
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The rest of this question is Isn't this very similar to behaviorism because behaviorism identifies the conditions which generate behavior?
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If it does that, then I'm all for it.
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Is it true that psychologists referred their patients/subjects
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to you to work on?
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Not all psychologists, some psychologists.
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also didn't
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When lawyers started coming to some of Jacque's lectures
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in the nineteen sixties or seventies, wasn't it?
47:59 - 48:00

Then they brought judges
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and then the judges,
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there was one judge who worked with juveniles and instead of sending
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them to juvenile home they would send them
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to Jacque's lectures.
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Yes, that's true.
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In the book i've read,
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a New York Times reporter attended your lectures in the 70's, he then went on to commit suicide,
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is that because he could not handle this information, became depressed, etc.?
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No. Some newspaper reporter came to a couple of my seminars
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and he said, "What you say makes sense, if I can't get that out I'll kill myself.
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I believe I can get that out;
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I believe that what you say makes so much sense that people can be turned around."
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Well, he was turned around, but he was unable to turn people around.
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and he killed himself because he really believed that i had the answers to questions
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and that all he had to do is write about it, and people would understand it. But it's not that simple.
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right in there are other reasons why did that i couldn't imagine i'll be working
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He was not well enough equipped to handle that problem.
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Have you ever read B.F. Skinner's novel called 'Walden Two', and if so what are your thoughts on it?
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It was insufficient because the methods
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of building cities, the methods of dealing with problems
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were are not sufficient, or sophisticated enough.
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There's another book that Jack Catran
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yet when it is our patrons one of the
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guys that uh... one are not the book training here
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that you tried to talk about resource based economy
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wrote called 'Walden Three'
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which was kind of chaotic but
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had a lot of
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references to Jacque's work and the
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main character was taken after Jacque and talked about a city in the future.
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I have heard that you have produced some books for publications for sociocyberneering
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members back in the 1970's.
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Would it be possible for you to make these freely available online
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for us to read, please?
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I would say that the book 'The Best That Money Can't Buy'
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is an updated version
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of those books.
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Yes, it took some of that information in there and added more.
50:35 - 50:37

Is there anymore news on when
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there may be new lecture audio material from the 1970's available
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at your online store,
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we've been waiting a little while for this?
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We just got forty tapes from
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Karl Geisler
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who used to go to the lectures, you'll hear him with a german accent.
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He found forty more tapes; so for the last several weeks we've been pulling them in.
51:02 - 51:03

Today, we're just
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changing the tapes because several of them that broke.
51:07 - 51:12

We're working on those now,
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we're pulling them into new cases and putting them into the computer. So we've pulled in about
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forty hours, so that's the first step. We have to put it all into the
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computer, but we are working on it.
51:21 - 51:24

I can't say when exactly we'll have it,
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but maybe we'll make them into mp3s or something more accessible I'm not
51:28 - 51:31

sure.
51:31 - 51:36

Have you ever been tempted to change the system from within?
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No, I never have been
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tempted to change the system
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from within.
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I attempt to
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inform people
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as to the effects,
51:46 - 51:49

the prime factors of our society
51:49 - 51:51

and the harmful effects
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of the free enterprise system.
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I don't think there is a step
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within this system to bring it
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without problems into a resource based economy. There's no openings for that
52:04 - 52:08

within this system. It requires a different value system,
52:08 - 52:10

a different approach.
52:10 - 52:12

This system will forever
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uphold this system until it just crashes
52:15 - 52:19

and the examples of that are all over.
52:19 - 52:24

Yes, all over the world not just America.
52:24 - 52:26

Please explain why socialism
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is not a good transitional tool.
52:30 - 52:33

I never said it was not a good translation tool,
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it's not the best, it's not updated.
52:36 - 52:38

Socialism was great
52:38 - 52:39

when it was designed,
52:39 - 52:43

but today we have much better systems,
52:43 - 52:45

much more effective
52:45 - 52:49

to enhance the lives of people in a much faster way
52:49 - 52:51

then the old-time socialist.
52:51 - 52:54

Socialism was concerned with the working class.
52:54 - 52:57

We're concerned with knowledge,
52:57 - 52:59

and who were concerned with
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surpassing the need for work,
53:01 - 53:02

in other words,
53:02 - 53:06

we think machines could replace jobs that are monotonous and boring or
53:06 - 53:08

dangerous
53:08 - 53:12

that people think in terms of what to earn a living
53:12 - 53:15

in the future you don't need to think in terms of work
53:15 - 53:18

you'll be provided for
53:18 - 53:19

and you can study
53:19 - 53:22

anything you want to study in school.
53:22 - 53:25

So i would say that most jobs
53:25 - 53:28

will be phased out,
53:28 - 53:30

maturity um...
53:30 - 53:32

who'll be fatal
53:32 - 53:33

neglecting her abilities are
53:33 - 53:39

most of the early professions will be phased out.
53:39 - 53:42

Why didn't you take the opportunity to make money
53:42 - 53:44

and then change the world
53:44 - 53:46

with that money?
53:46 - 53:48

Because then they would say,
53:48 - 53:50

"Well, that guy's a son of a bitch!
53:50 - 53:52

He became a millionaire
53:52 - 53:55

and then now he talks against the system.
53:55 - 53:57

I don't trust him."
53:57 - 54:00

Actually, Jacque did work within the system
54:00 - 54:04

a lot when he was younger had many different inventions and ideas and
54:04 - 54:07

just because you have good ideas that are better than what's out there does
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not mean it will take-on and make a lot of money with them.
54:11 - 54:13

There's a lot of tremendous inventors
54:13 - 54:17

that didn't get anywhere in the system for various reasons
54:17 - 54:20

but whatever money Jacque did make
54:20 - 54:23

we always turned it back into making more products and making
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the research center and
54:25 - 54:30

perpetuating these ideas and introducing them others.
54:30 - 54:35

Why could you not turn your own brother to these ideas? Why did he go into acting
54:35 - 54:37

instead?
54:37 - 54:41

Because i wasn't skilled enough to reach him.
54:41 - 54:45

In those days, you know that we're talking about forty, fifty, sixty
54:45 - 54:46

years ago,
54:46 - 54:50

i was not able to reach him
54:50 - 54:52

i really tried
54:52 - 54:54

i could not reach him at the time
54:54 - 54:59

i was not as skilled. You were the younger brother too. How much older was him to you?
54:59 - 55:06

About five, six years older.
55:06 - 55:10

What's the relation between Jacque and Roxanne?
55:10 - 55:13

We've been living together and working for
55:13 - 55:15

since 1976.
55:15 - 55:17

Yes.
55:17 - 55:18

We relate
55:18 - 55:20

fairly well in most areas,
55:20 - 55:23

and i would say if that continues,
55:23 - 55:25

which it will.
55:25 - 55:29

And i'm glad that Roxanne has been an enormous help.
55:29 - 55:31

Without Roxanne, i don't think
55:31 - 55:34

we could have gotten our books published
55:34 - 55:36

or most of our films made.
55:36 - 55:39

She's very good at film production
55:39 - 55:41

and she's very good at
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translating.
55:42 - 55:46

We pretty much worked on just about everything together
55:46 - 55:49

and mostly it was a learning process for me learning
55:49 - 55:54

how to make models. Jacque taught me how to do technical illustration
55:54 - 55:55

which transferred to
55:55 - 55:59

fine arts, taught me how to do model making and i learned on his designs which was really fascinating.
56:02 - 56:07

Then i help make a living with that to help support this project
56:07 - 56:11

and then i worked on them with everything else that i could help with.
56:11 - 56:17

When people ask if we're married i say, "We're as good as or better than married."
56:17 - 56:19

Looking backwards in time,
56:19 - 56:24

if you could change certain paths you made in life,
56:24 - 56:25

what are some of the things
56:25 - 56:29

that you would have done differently?
56:29 - 56:30

I can't answer that,
56:30 - 56:33

i don't know.
56:33 - 56:36

Is there anything you regret?
56:36 - 56:39

No, nothing, everything i learned
56:39 - 56:41

from all of my experiences
56:41 - 56:45

i've learned something useful.
56:45 - 56:50

In your lectures you questioned the role of emotions and machines, emotions
56:50 - 56:56

may be used in machines
56:56 - 56:57

for their algorithm
56:57 - 56:59

to process more
56:59 - 57:00

variants
57:00 - 57:02

in its
57:02 - 57:03

evolving
57:03 - 57:05

intelligence?
57:05 - 57:05

I would say
57:05 - 57:07

emotions
57:07 - 57:11

are the feelings you have about things.
57:11 - 57:14

It's what you do about it that counts.
57:14 - 57:17

If you feel that war is terrible
57:17 - 57:20

and you do nothing to try to put and end to it,
57:20 - 57:24

i would say it's useless.
57:24 - 57:29

We don't put emotions in machines because we don't know how.
57:29 - 57:31

No machines have
57:31 - 57:33

ambition.
57:33 - 57:35

No machines feel good.
57:35 - 57:38

They just produce a lot of goods and services
57:38 - 57:40

and they have no feelings
57:40 - 57:42

nor are they concerned
57:42 - 57:46

whether they produce cannons, submarines, bombers,
57:46 - 57:49

or respiratory systems.
57:49 - 57:51

The machines has no feelings
57:51 - 57:54

and the machines cannot have feelings,
57:54 - 57:57

they don't even know how to put feelings into the machines.
57:57 - 57:59

Although you can make the machine
57:59 - 58:05

that would verbalize as though it had feelings, it would be like a movie actor
58:05 - 58:10

acting the part but it really don't feel.
58:10 - 58:11

We don't really want
58:11 - 58:15

machines to have emotions, we want them to take on action pattern.
58:15 - 58:18

We don't want people sitting there emoting
58:18 - 58:19

and being emotional
58:19 - 58:23

without doing something about it.
58:23 - 58:25

Jacque, have you ever read
58:25 - 58:30

Jack Catran's book 'Is They're Intelligent Life on Earth?'
58:30 - 58:32

Yes i have.
58:32 - 58:36

I think it's sort of a round-about way of talking about things,
58:36 - 58:39

i would be more direct than Catran would.
58:39 - 58:41

Catran always kept up,
58:41 - 58:45

he spoke with Jacque quite regularly and always sent Jacque
58:45 - 58:49

his new books and things.
58:49 - 58:52

How do you increase interest toward life,
58:52 - 58:56

towards some activity, towards learning and researching?
58:56 - 59:00

Well, you have to understand the person you're working with.
59:00 - 59:01

Then you have to
59:01 - 59:02

design the system
59:02 - 59:06

so it fits their background.
59:06 - 59:12

You have a design the approach to that person based on their background.
59:12 - 59:16

This person might be talking about himself or herself,
59:16 - 59:17

i don't know if it's
59:17 - 59:20

within oneself.
59:20 - 59:24

What age do you hope to live to?
59:24 - 59:26

I don't think about that.
59:26 - 59:29

I just go on living.
59:29 - 59:32

I may die tomorrow, but I don't know.
59:32 - 59:35

I don't concern myself with that.
59:35 - 59:40

This questions, how do you justify the fancy sprinkler in the water?
59:40 - 59:45

i think this person might be talking about the,
59:45 - 59:48

this is the only place i can think of a fancy sprinkler,
59:48 - 59:51

one of the house computer rendering drawings,
59:51 - 59:54

there's a jet of water in the front of the house?
59:54 - 59:57

Oh, that will be a filtering system.
59:57 - 60:03

Some filtering now found water filters
60:03 - 60:08

there are no fountains for just luxury or to amuse people.
60:08 - 60:11

Everything in the future will have a function.
60:11 - 60:15

So, if you see a waterfall, it's part of the water treatment plant.
60:15 - 60:18

help fish on there too, yes,
60:18 - 60:21

the water, yes
60:21 - 60:26

Have you ever turned around a fundamentalist Christian and how?
60:26 - 60:31

Well, first of all, I approached them with the Bible.
60:31 - 60:35

By approaching them with the Bible it says in the Bible,
60:35 - 60:40

at least the ten commandments, "Thou shall not kill.
60:40 - 60:45

You shall not judge other people otherwise you will be judged,"
60:45 - 60:48

and i point out all the statements
60:48 - 60:51

of the Ten Commandments and how far we've come from it.
60:51 - 60:54

When we get mad at another country,
60:54 - 60:57

we bomb the hell out of them,
60:57 - 60:59

and we kill and we all join in that.
60:59 - 61:03

And the churches bless the armies and they bless war tanks.
61:03 - 61:07

Particularly the Catholic Church sprinkles holy water on the war tanks,
61:07 - 61:13

and the Catholics in Italy bless the war tanks fighting Americans,
61:13 - 61:18

and the Catholics in America bless the war tanks in America.
61:18 - 61:21

I would say that the church seems to conform
61:21 - 61:24

to social institutions
61:24 - 61:28

if they did not conform they would be poorly attended,
61:28 - 61:31

and the church do not conform
61:31 - 61:35

is not advocated as a method of social deliverance.
61:35 - 61:39

And what method do you used to turn around fundamentalists?
61:39 - 61:44

The Bible itself. Show them that it's almost impossible to live
61:44 - 61:49

according to the teachings of Christ in the monetary system.
61:51 - 61:55

Ok, so in the monetary system, I had my finger off it for a minute
61:58 - 62:00

And the fat man on the left book, he said
62:00 - 62:03

in love grandma pins
62:03 - 62:08

we actually never read the fat man on the left book
62:08 - 62:11

when they is a tremendous researcher
62:11 - 62:12

worden shocks
62:12 - 62:15

wiki page and he found that
62:15 - 62:19

but anyway it said your love grandma pins this is true i have no i can't help
62:19 - 62:21

i have read about them
62:21 - 62:23

and i'm starting to do with me
62:23 - 62:26

yet i think that we have the grandmother recipients
62:26 - 62:29

we are not going
62:29 - 62:35

do you think the government banks will forgive the debt
62:35 - 62:37

mickey kantor operate mostly create
62:41 - 62:45

what shocks primordial stew
62:45 - 62:48

you know we always talk about the people come into in bringing pipe primordial
62:48 - 62:52

slime wyndham logs and let me know
62:52 - 62:54

qualcomm up on on your son
62:54 - 62:57

they drank some of the slime with them
62:57 - 63:01

meaning that background than expected
63:01 - 63:06

persons asking what your primordial slime
63:06 - 63:12

company conquerors initially
63:12 - 63:16

delusions of prime motivators for social change
63:16 - 63:20

human suffering com
63:24 - 63:26

okay i guess that's it for now
63:26 - 63:27

thank you very
63:27 - 63:29

too much for the opportunity to express steve's
63:31 - 63:35

you know we appreciate your questions and really good
63:35 - 63:41

next week if all goes well we will talk to you then thanks everyone pre-trial
63:42 - 63:47

thank you all doing a yes banks the gamut from on my hand for
63:47 - 63:49

for everything everybody else is doing tremendous help
63:53 - 63:57

okay except in the room
63:57 - 63:59

okay so instead of the seminar
63:59 - 64:01

sunday recuperated doesn't grow

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